Koh Tao: Trial opens for 2 accused of killing British tourists

[off road pat]

Somyot called it a misunderstanding that stemmed from foreign media covering the case who might have poor Thai language skills.

So every foreign media outlet is using westerners to translate instead of Thai nationals? Give me a break. Might have to now considering the alleged threats to the Sky news translator.

A Thai telling us of Poor language skills,...!?!?!?!? that would be like the post calling the kettle black....!!!!

[jdinasia]

It wasn't meant to be a comparison to David Miller in size and age to a 64 year old man. It was meant to show that even though you may look innocent, and are small in size, it does not mean you cannot commit murder.

Hardly a fair comparison, this man was 64 and murdered by pirates on his own yacht.

David Miller was 24, allegedly murdered by hospitality workers on a resort island.

Noticed that the 3 accused were all Burmese, and like the 2 accused, and in looks and size. They admitted to the crime after an eye witness, and DNA tests on there bloody clothes.Two of the accused, aged 19 and 18, got 25 Year in Prison, as they pleading guilty and had their sentence cut into half. he third accused was also found guilty of murder. But he was only 17 years old. A Real Boy! He will be held in custody until he is 24 years old. They were also all fishermen, which hardly puts them in the Body Building Weight Class.

So if there was a comparison at all then it is with these 3 Convicted Burmese Murders, and the accused, to show that their looks, size, age, and the country they come from, has nothing to do with whether or not they can commit murder.

It's more to do with whether the B2 had the prime motivation and desire to take on and take out a far larger guy to commit rape and then brutally murder his female companion. What for? An i-phone and sunglasses? Lust is not such a motivation, as it has been pointed out by more qualified people than me. Hopefully, the defence can counter the prosecution's assertions by providing alibis plus character witnesses, plus possibly a qualified psychologist?

Pirates (the name qualifies them as vicious thugs), on the other hand, have the prime motivation to rob, and to take out anyone who gets in their way. It's a different mind set, IMO.

Anyway, granted the perps could have been of different sizes and still carried out the crimes.

Not to mention that the "pirates" were arrested with the blood of the victims on their clothes, as would be expected when someone committed a bloody murder. There was never any blood or other evidence at the rooms where the Burmese boys were sleeping. It is not conceivable that there would be no physical evidence at their sleeping room after they had committed such a crime. Anyone who thinks that a swim in the ocean could have removed all of the evidence has never tried to clean bloody clothing before.

You need to keep thinking about that.

When did the murders happen? When were they arrested? What makes you think that the bloody clothing ever went into the room?

[balo]

There is one question that no one seems to have asked yet.

Is there any proof the Burmese bought L&M cigarettes that night ?

Or are we just taking the word of the RTP again ?

One would imagine a computer till would be able to tell which brand was bought and when.

I think it was a video footage from 7 eleven that shows they buy the cigarettes.

Does the purchase of a pack of ciggies make you a murder suspect?

No , but it's a brick in the puzzle.

[Basil B]

Does anyone know who the Judge is and where he comes from and his history!

First I think there are 3 judges...

There are a lot of people asking the same question... Is there a Mafia contract out them???

[StealthEnergiser]

The credibility of the prosecution is weakening day by day in court.

I have been disappointed by the UK police that appear to have gone to Thailand for a jolly as opposed to do their job.

I have also been disappointed so far by the forensics in the UK that could have publicised more.

I think unfortunately, that could be a critical factor, the prime minister of Thailand has decided that this case needs to have been solved for Thai tourism and therefore the two Burmese have to be found guilty.

Personally, I think the prime minister would have been more respect if he had kept quiet about this case or as he is supposedly cleaning up corruption made sure this case was carried out fairly and with no opinion.

they did get this

The defence team said it has received forensic and autopsy reports from UK authorities that were “not consistent” with findings obtained from Thai authorities. Meanwhile, some media reports emerged yesterday saying certain evidence was no longer available.

https://www.dvb.no/news/koh-tao-murders-remaining-evidence-to-be-retested/54708

[sgtsabai]

CapFarmer is right with a little sarcasm thrown in. I would not trust the re-test nor would I trust where the RTP say the samples came from and when. Whatever there is to re-test needs to be done out of Thailand by an independent source. Anybody in Thailand can be intimidated including Pornthip. In this case it is the word of the RTP that the samples came from wherever, how would anyone know if that were true or not? The RTP could swear on their mothers lives and I wouldn't believe a word. The chain of evidence never existed in the first place and without that nothing is valid, nothing. People on the island know who did and it isn't the 1st time nor will it be the last. I have a friend that knew one of the Burmese. He was a long time resident. He and his farang girl friend now reside in another country. Draw your own conclusion. I would suggest a night visit by an SBS team to solve that island's problem.

[StealthEnergiser]

Crime scene blunder stopped murder weapon DNA test

A garden hoe allegedly used to bludgeon to death two young British tourists on a Thai beach was moved from the crime scene and was never fully forensically tested, a court heard yesterday.

The trial of two Burmese migrants accused of murdering Hannah Witheridge, 23, from Great Yarmouth, and David Miller, 24, from Jersey, on the resort island of Koh Tao last year heard how the

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/article4493211.ece

Maybe the never fully examined because they would find the wrong persons DNA on it.

[StealthEnergiser]

Police on Koh Tao tried to persuade a witness at the Witheridge-Miller crime scene into saying that he had wiped blood off an alleged murder weapon, according to Aung Myo Thant, a lawyer for the defence team.

Speaking to DVB on Thursday evening, the lawyer said the court heard testimony from a Burmese migrant named U Oh, who was a garbage collector on Sairee Beach during the period in September 2014 when British tourists Hannah Witheridge and David Miller were murdered.

“U Oh confirmed he was the owner of the garden hoe, which is alleged to have been used as the murder weapon in the case,” Aung Myo Thant said. “A police officer had earlier testified that the hoe was used to murder the victims, then the blood-stained tool was placed under a bag and discarded on the beach.”

But U Oh testified that the hoe was in the same place he left it the night before, the lawyer said.

“Also, police cajoled him to say he washed off the blood from the hoe. However, that is not what he told the judge. He said that he had not paid any attention to the hoe and was not aware of whether there was any blood on it or not.”

https://www.dvb.no/news/police-tried-to-manipulate-koh-tao-witness-court-told/54664

[Basil B]

There is one question that no one seems to have asked yet.

Is there any proof the Burmese bought L&M cigarettes that night ?

Or are we just taking the word of the RTP again ?

One would imagine a computer till would be able to tell which brand was bought and when.

I think it was a video footage from 7 eleven that shows they buy the cigarettes.

Does the purchase of a pack of ciggies make you a murder suspect?

No , but it's a brick in the puzzle.

Hardly compelling evidence, how many people bought a pack of L&M that night?

Is had my suspicions whether the right people would ever be in the dock following the statement, "No Thai did this" only hours after the murders and there was a lot of finger pointing to family members of the top man on the island.

[meekhao1066]

Does anyone know who the Judge is and where he comes from and his history!

First I think there are 3 judges...

There are a lot of people asking the same question... Is there a Mafia contract out them???

Yep sorry should have said 3 judges ....

Just think this is more pertinent to the outcome than whatever prosecution or defence says (or whatever is discussed on this forum) .... been here more than 18 years and really try to refrain from comments but so sad to see what is occurring

[Rykbanlor]

Does anyone know who the Judge is and where he comes from and his history!

First I think there are 3 judges...

There are a lot of people asking the same question... Is there a Mafia contract out them???

I would guess the judges are either well protected, or well remunerated.

[phuketandsee]

The credibility of the prosecution is weakening day by day in court.

I have been disappointed by the UK police that appear to have gone to Thailand for a jolly as opposed to do their job.

I have also been disappointed so far by the forensics in the UK that could have publicised more.

I think unfortunately, that could be a critical factor, the prime minister of Thailand has decided that this case needs to have been solved for Thai tourism and therefore the two Burmese have to be found guilty.

Personally, I think the prime minister would have been more respect if he had kept quiet about this case or as he is supposedly cleaning up corruption made sure this case was carried out fairly and with no opinion.

The UK police did do "their job". They went only to observe not to investigate and could only look at what they were shown. As for the UK forensics have you ever heard the phrase "keeping your powder dry"?

[thailandchilli]

Police on Koh Tao tried to persuade a witness at the Witheridge-Miller crime scene into saying that he had wiped blood off an alleged murder weapon, according to Aung Myo Thant, a lawyer for the defence team.

Speaking to DVB on Thursday evening, the lawyer said the court heard testimony from a Burmese migrant named U Oh, who was a garbage collector on Sairee Beach during the period in September 2014 when British tourists Hannah Witheridge and David Miller were murdered.

“U Oh confirmed he was the owner of the garden hoe, which is alleged to have been used as the murder weapon in the case,” Aung Myo Thant said. “A police officer had earlier testified that the hoe was used to murder the victims, then the blood-stained tool was placed under a bag and discarded on the beach.”

But U Oh testified that the hoe was in the same place he left it the night before, the lawyer said.

“Also, police cajoled him to say he washed off the blood from the hoe. However, that is not what he told the judge. He said that he had not paid any attention to the hoe and was not aware of whether there was any blood on it or not.”

https://www.dvb.no/news/police-tried-to-manipulate-koh-tao-witness-court-told/54664

Something very suspect about this hoe and the location it was found in, this was brought up months ago as a rumour or as some like to call it in every post they make a conspiracy theory on Facebook but it now seems that the rumour has something to it judging by the above report of the witness testimony.

So the court has apparently given access to have the hoe tested again but what use is that when theres a strong possibility its already been tampered with.

[Rykbanlor]

Does the purchase of a pack of ciggies make you a murder suspect?

No , but it's a brick in the puzzle.

Hardly compelling evidence, how many people bought a pack of L&M that night?

Is had my suspicions whether the right people would ever be in the dock following the statement, "No Thai did this" only hours after the murders and there was a lot of finger pointing to family members of the top man on the island.

Dozens of people could have left cigarette butts on the beach. The B2 could have left cigarette butts at the beach any time during the night.

My memory is foggy on the details but, was it stated that although Hannah did not smoke her DNA was on the cigarette as well, prompting the idea they had her share a cigarette with them first? I genuinely cannot remember so if anyone has links that would be great.

If only the DNA of the B2 was on the cigarette, then surely that is only circumstantial. What if Generic Johnny walked past earlier in the night and dropped a cigarette butt there. would he also be guilty?

Again any links to refresh my memory on those details would be good, but as far as I am concerned the only lead the cigarette butts provide, is the public being lead down the garden path.

[mike313]

I have over the weeks read many irrelevant posts regarding this trial, and comments suggesting they 'look' innocent are not helpful. CCTV going missing would not alter the fact that Hannah and David had a number of witnesses of their own at the bar on the evening in question, so the question is...... When will we hear their vital evidence, surely this could possibly end some of the speculation over arguments in the bar, ie: whether the 'headman' was present, and whether he had an argument with Hannah or David etc;

The lives of two innocent people have been taken, whoever did this should be punished, and nobody, as yet, knows if the Burmese men did this or not, however boyish or innocent they may look. Did the Burmese two have an argument with Hannah or David? Or just to throw something else out there, if they worked at this bar could they have been paid by the Thai Headman to commit the crime on his behalf, that is if the headman was actually in the bar, and if he actually had an argument with Hannah or David. Only Davids friends or Hanna's will be able to tell

[scorecard]

Court orders retesting of evidence in Koh Tao murder case

By Mizzima

KOH SAMUI:-- The Samui Provincial Court has ordered remaining forensic evidence in the Koh Tao tourist murders case to be sent for re-examination at the Thai Justice Ministry's Central Institute of Forensic Science in line with a defence request, according to local Thai media reports on July 10.

The court, in Surat Thani, yesterday ordered public prosecutors to work with investigators to send all remaining forensic evidence found at the crime scene, including a shovel, for forensic retesting.

The news came after what appeared to be a misunderstanding in which it was said that some crucial DNA evidence would not be retested.

Myanmar migrant workers Ko Zaw Lin and Ko Win Zaw Htun are on trial for the murder of 24-year-old David Miller and the rape and murder of Hannah Witheridge, 23, on Koh Tao island in September.

Both have pleaded not guilty.

Thai police and prosecutors say DNA evidence points towards the two 22-year-old suspects, but the defence claims the men have been scapegoated by an under pressure police force who bungled their investigation and coerced confessions from the pair.

- See more at: http://www.mizzima.com/news-regional/court-orders-retesting-evidence-koh-tao-murder-case

"..... re-examination at the Thai Justice Ministry's Central Institute of Forensic Science ".

Surely this order should have included some monitoring - by court order - to be fully satisfied with the reexamination.

[StealthEnergiser]

Police on Koh Tao tried to persuade a witness at the Witheridge-Miller crime scene into saying that he had wiped blood off an alleged murder weapon, according to Aung Myo Thant, a lawyer for the defence team.

Speaking to DVB on Thursday evening, the lawyer said the court heard testimony from a Burmese migrant named U Oh, who was a garbage collector on Sairee Beach during the period in September 2014 when British tourists Hannah Witheridge and David Miller were murdered.

“U Oh confirmed he was the owner of the garden hoe, which is alleged to have been used as the murder weapon in the case,” Aung Myo Thant said. “A police officer had earlier testified that the hoe was used to murder the victims, then the blood-stained tool was placed under a bag and discarded on the beach.”

But U Oh testified that the hoe was in the same place he left it the night before, the lawyer said.

“Also, police cajoled him to say he washed off the blood from the hoe. However, that is not what he told the judge. He said that he had not paid any attention to the hoe and was not aware of whether there was any blood on it or not.”

https://www.dvb.no/news/police-tried-to-manipulate-koh-tao-witness-court-told/54664

Something very suspect about this hoe and the location it was found in, this was brought up months ago as a rumour on Facebook but it now seems that the rumour has something to it judging by the above report of the witness testimony.

So the court has apparently given access to have the hoe tested again but what use is that when theres a strong possibility its already been tampered with.

It looks very much like they cleaned the hoe after the photo got leaked to the internet and then gave the forensics a cleaned hoe with no DNA .

It looks like we have the evidence has been sitting in front of our eyes maybe a reason a very small group of posters have been trying to steer us off course .

Maybe they know the person who leaked the photo's and are trying to help him if thats the case what a disgrace to see these 2 you boys could lose their lives.

Translaters getting death threats because the don't want this info getting out.

it stinks I hope andy hall has the info.

[blowin]

The headman is a very , very small man in a very big pond.....

So why are the big fish helping him so much?

That is the key to this tragedy.

Google the name Suthep Thaugsuban if you don't know who he is!

Add friendship and business interest's now maybe the head man is a small fish in a big pond but when he has a friend as big and as and powerful as Suthep anything and everything is possible thats the way Thailand works unfortunately my friend.

While on Google check Suthep visits Samui and K.Tao as a monk after the murders and there are pictures of the monk with the head man enough said .

[losworld]

What a frame up. Sure hope these guys get off. The international press needs to keep grinding them. Sad thing is they will never go after the true perpetrators and possibly the guy they pretended to check who claimed he was in Bangkok at the time but the video footage was from an apartment building that could have been recreated anywhere.

[Jonmarleesco]

'... a misunderstanding that stemmed from foreign media covering the case who might have poor Thai language skills.' So, not police demonstrating poor communication skills?

[Khun Paul]

This a farce, it would make millions as a stage show in the West End. From the beginning it was a complete cock-up, the police admitted moving the body before anything else and the evidence was found scattered around the island. The evidence track is at best suspect as is their testing abilities./ The UK Police were there to watch but even they have noted DNA contaminated.

The Trail is a media show for the world to see Thai justice, nothing about getting at the truth you noter just justice in the eyes of Thailand, bugger the rest of the world. If it wasn't so laughable it would be very very scary , that two peole ( non thais of course ) are being held and ut on trail for a serious offence. We forget at our peril that it was said quite categorically that THAIS do not do this sort of thing, so it could NOT be them could it.

REALLY !!!!!!!

PROVE IT LEGALLY !!!!!!.

[SOTIRIOS]

...shameful....and scary....

[thailandchilli]

Police on Koh Tao tried to persuade a witness at the Witheridge-Miller crime scene into saying that he had wiped blood off an alleged murder weapon, according to Aung Myo Thant, a lawyer for the defence team.

Speaking to DVB on Thursday evening, the lawyer said the court heard testimony from a Burmese migrant named U Oh, who was a garbage collector on Sairee Beach during the period in September 2014 when British tourists Hannah Witheridge and David Miller were murdered.

“U Oh confirmed he was the owner of the garden hoe, which is alleged to have been used as the murder weapon in the case,” Aung Myo Thant said. “A police officer had earlier testified that the hoe was used to murder the victims, then the blood-stained tool was placed under a bag and discarded on the beach.”

But U Oh testified that the hoe was in the same place he left it the night before, the lawyer said.

“Also, police cajoled him to say he washed off the blood from the hoe. However, that is not what he told the judge. He said that he had not paid any attention to the hoe and was not aware of whether there was any blood on it or not.”

https://www.dvb.no/news/police-tried-to-manipulate-koh-tao-witness-court-told/54664

Something very suspect about this hoe and the location it was found in, this was brought up months ago as a rumour on Facebook but it now seems that the rumour has something to it judging by the above report of the witness testimony.

So the court has apparently given access to have the hoe tested again but what use is that when theres a strong possibility its already been tampered with.

It looks very much like they cleaned the hoe after the photo got leaked to the internet and then gave the forensics a cleaned hoe with no DNA .

It looks like we have the evidence has been sitting in front of our eyes maybe a reason a very small group of posters have been trying to steer us off course .

Maybe they know the person who leaked the photo's and are trying to help him if thats the case what a disgrace to see these 2 you boys could lose their lives.

Translaters getting death threats because the don't want this info getting out.

it stinks I hope andy hall has the info.

Yes it does, and the photographic evidence together with the evidence from the witness appear to back up the fact that the hoe has been tampered with, moved and blood cleaned off. This is serious and as serious as the lack of independent DNA testing but we see what happens when the prosecution or RTP are challenged on that, the big Chief in Bangkok steps in!

Unless the Judges surprise us all this trial is going the full distance with a foregone conclusion.

[Graham8888]

What this policeman said is exactly what I said about it being used not lost and to be honest he's being far too nice to the foreign press who are using every opportunity they can to stir the sh!t.

I just read one guys post and it contains the words The Real Killers..I am amazed at how many people would be willing to let these two suspects go when they haven't even heard the evidence.

They have like sheep joined the flock of they are innocent and even if the teeth marks were a perfect mach they would say the Thai Police made a mould.

The family of the victims have stated they were happy after talking to the British Police with the Thai Police's finding but the flock know better.....The flock have absolutely no evidence..all they have is gossip but someone told someone who knows so and so so and his brother told my friend it wasn't them so it must be true.

Thousand of people have voiced their opinions based on gossip not one person had said anything they can back up or they would be in the court as a defense witness.....to me that is PATHETIC

Wise up wake up - there is speculation on here but most of it has been compiled by expats with lots of experience in Thailand - we all know these 2 Burmese didn't do this - from the start all the way to the Sky news translator being intimidated this week.

All everyone wants is JUSTICE for David and Hannah !?

[Linky]

The Burmese could actually be guilty, not easy for the Thai bashers in here to understand.

and Prayut could actually be God, we just dont know ... RTP could actually also be there to help and assist the people instead of robbing them ...

Thai bashers!!!! Right.

I've lived here for 15 years, speak Thai fluently, live amongst a family of smart liberal progressive Thais, and am fairly well integrated into society.

If I believe it wasn't the BUrmese that did it, and I have a poor view of the Police that makes me a Thai basher?

That makes all the rational Thai friends I have Thai bashers as well then.

In fact the only people I've ever met who don't regard the Police with fear or contempt are people with some kind of links to them. I am not embelleshing anything, this is my experience so far.

I think it makes him a Burmese basher

[Fat Haggis]

The Burmese could actually be guilty, not easy for the Thai bashers in here to understand.

and Prayut could actually be God, we just dont know ... RTP could actually also be there to help and assist the people instead of robbing them ...

Thai bashers!!!! Right.

I've lived here for 15 years, speak Thai fluently, live amongst a family of smart liberal progressive Thais, and am fairly well integrated into society.

If I believe it wasn't the BUrmese that did it, and I have a poor view of the Police that makes me a Thai basher?

That makes all the rational Thai friends I have Thai bashers as well then.

In fact the only people I've ever met who don't regard the Police with fear or contempt are people with some kind of links to them. I am not embelleshing anything, this is my experience so far.

Fact is you don't know anything about this case. You were not there. All you do is speculate like the rest of us.

B2 could be guilty. COULD!

I have been to Koh Tao, a month before the murders, even back then I was told that the island is run in a certain way by certain people, pretty much all the significant people on the island are connect through various avenues.

What's your connection and experience either the place,

[Mooner]

It wasn't meant to be a comparison to David Miller in size and age to a 64 year old man. It was meant to show that even though you may look innocent, and are small in size, it does not mean you cannot commit murder.

Hardly a fair comparison, this man was 64 and murdered by pirates on his own yacht.

David Miller was 24, allegedly murdered by hospitality workers on a resort island.

Noticed that the 3 accused were all Burmese, and like the 2 accused, and in looks and size. They admitted to the crime after an eye witness, and DNA tests on there bloody clothes.Two of the accused, aged 19 and 18, got 25 Year in Prison, as they pleading guilty and had their sentence cut into half. he third accused was also found guilty of murder. But he was only 17 years old. A Real Boy! He will be held in custody until he is 24 years old. They were also all fishermen, which hardly puts them in the Body Building Weight Class.

So if there was a comparison at all then it is with these 3 Convicted Burmese Murders, and the accused, to show that their looks, size, age, and the country they come from, has nothing to do with whether or not they can commit murder.

It's more to do with whether the B2 had the prime motivation and desire to take on and take out a far larger guy to commit rape and then brutally murder his female companion. What for? An i-phone and sunglasses? Lust is not such a motivation, as it has been pointed out by more qualified people than me. Hopefully, the defence can counter the prosecution's assertions by providing alibis plus character witnesses, plus possibly a qualified psychologist?

Pirates (the name qualifies them as vicious thugs), on the other hand, have the prime motivation to rob, and to take out anyone who gets in their way. It's a different mind set, IMO.

Anyway, granted the perps could have been of different sizes and still carried out the crimes.

Not to mention that the "pirates" were arrested with the blood of the victims on their clothes, as would be expected when someone committed a bloody murder. There was never any blood or other evidence at the rooms where the Burmese boys were sleeping. It is not conceivable that there would be no physical evidence at their sleeping room after they had committed such a crime. Anyone who thinks that a swim in the ocean could have removed all of the evidence has never tried to clean bloody clothing before.

You need to keep thinking about that.

When did the murders happen? When were they arrested? What makes you think that the bloody clothing ever went into the room?

Well if it didnt and they discarded it in the sea or elsewhere there should be some interesting CCTV footage of 2 semi naked Burmese men about.

[pendingo]

My apologies if this has already been mentioned before but I was unable to get my head around why a rapist would use a condom and furthermore why there was no DNA found inside it. I've done some research and yes rapists have been known to use condoms to hide their DNA but that purpose is defeated if it is left lying around. For the life of me I fail to see how this counts as evidence other than the fact it was allegedly used on the victim.

[pendingo]

I refer to The Nation's report on 26th September 2014 in support of my last post: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Investigation-into-Koh-Tao-murders-seriously-flawe-30244163.html

[StealthEnergiser]

Police on Koh Tao tried to persuade a witness at the Witheridge-Miller crime scene into saying that he had wiped blood off an alleged murder weapon, according to Aung Myo Thant, a lawyer for the defence team.

Speaking to DVB on Thursday evening, the lawyer said the court heard testimony from a Burmese migrant named U Oh, who was a garbage collector on Sairee Beach during the period in September 2014 when British tourists Hannah Witheridge and David Miller were murdered.

“U Oh confirmed he was the owner of the garden hoe, which is alleged to have been used as the murder weapon in the case,” Aung Myo Thant said. “A police officer had earlier testified that the hoe was used to murder the victims, then the blood-stained tool was placed under a bag and discarded on the beach.”

But U Oh testified that the hoe was in the same place he left it the night before, the lawyer said.

“Also, police cajoled him to say he washed off the blood from the hoe. However, that is not what he told the judge. He said that he had not paid any attention to the hoe and was not aware of whether there was any blood on it or not.”

https://www.dvb.no/news/police-tried-to-manipulate-koh-tao-witness-court-told/54664

Something very suspect about this hoe and the location it was found in, this was brought up months ago as a rumour on Facebook but it now seems that the rumour has something to it judging by the above report of the witness testimony.

So the court has apparently given access to have the hoe tested again but what use is that when theres a strong possibility its already been tampered with.

It looks very much like they cleaned the hoe after the photo got leaked to the internet and then gave the forensics a cleaned hoe with no DNA .

It looks like we have the evidence has been sitting in front of our eyes maybe a reason a very small group of posters have been trying to steer us off course .

Maybe they know the person who leaked the photo's and are trying to help him if thats the case what a disgrace to see these 2 you boys could lose their lives.

Translaters getting death threats because the don't want this info getting out.

it stinks I hope andy hall has the info.

Yes it does, and the photographic evidence together with the evidence from the witness appear to back up the fact that the hoe has been tampered with, moved and blood cleaned off. This is serious and as serious as the lack of independent DNA testing but we see what happens when the prosecution or RTP are challenged on that, the big Chief in Bangkok steps in!

Unless the Judges surprise us all this trial is going the full distance with a foregone conclusion.

The first hoe had so much blood its impossible not to get DNA off it maybe something is left on it but I guess it depends how it was cleaned.

If the B2 did it there is no way someone would clean the hoe . The killers have panicked and stuffed up because photo's got out they never wanted this info to get to the english media and went as far as threatening translaters for international television .