Koh Tao: Trial opens for 2 accused of killing British tourists

[Kannikapor88]

Articles posted in The Sun doesnt count really , you wont find a worse tabloid than that, They can print anything,

OK I am not in the UK, however isn't The Sun a popular tabloid that may be read by people looking for a value for money getaway to Thailand.

If it stops a few spending their hard earned in Koh Tao then it's all good.

Agree on that - Anything that can stop people going to that disgusting Island is a good thing - If B2 gets convicted then anything stopping people from going to Thailand is a good thing ... I will try to do something on Thai-Forum in my homecountry to warn people about going here ...

[boomerangutang]

From popular Facebook site.

Koh Tao locals (Thais) seemed to find the brutal murders amusing and even posted reenactment photos on Facebook

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...and those are just some of the insensitive, almost taunting photos by those folks, some of whom may be the actual criminals. Not long after the crime, there was a copy-cat murder. A German man was relaxing at a park, daytime, I think it was Sukuthai or somewhere just north of Bkk, and he was attacked by a young Thai wielding a hoe - for no apparent reason, except perhaps the Thai was inspired by the recent killings at KT.

Note in that montage, the photo at middle right. It's big-ears cop, the same who joined Mon when threatening Sean's life. Big Ears is posing with a rifle and a pistol. In a reasonably thorough investigation, he would be squarely among 'persons of interest' including DNA typed. But because he's a cop and he's tight with Mon, that's not possible. He's doubly teflon coated.

Edited July 15, 2015 by boomerangutang

[VINCENT2012]

Rumours of a set-up by Thai authorities, desperate to preserve the country’s “paradise” image for tourists...

here is the key of the story...!...the image of the entire thailand is present.....so they want their island to keep making money as if nothing hapened, and stupid some are ...they are still comming giving money to those people indircetly or directly involved ...who knows!!

this is no more justice ....this is a politic and economic matter.

myself i will never go to that island, not because of the murder itself, it could hapenned anywhere, but because how this murder case has been taken and processed by the thai autorities.

Edited July 15, 2015 by VINCENT2012

[catsanddogs]

I'm waiting to hear the testimony of the squid fisherman who was just offshore before dawn and saw the whole thing.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Koh-Tao-police-fail-another-day-30243890.html

"Some fishermen fishing off Kanom district in Nakhon Si Thammarat province alerted police that they found a Thai man on a speedboat named "Little Duck" speeding south from Koh Pha Ngan. The man stopped by and asked for directions to Naiprao Island in the district. But he changed direction to Pakpanang district in the same province after his boat encountered a marine police boat on Naiprao beach."

This small boat fleeing was seen a few hours after the murders. Do many Burmese own private speedboats on the islands?

Yet another of the scores of possible clues that Thai investigators either......

>>> didn't think how it could relate to the investigation,

>>> heard about, but disregarded as unimportant,

>>> investigated a bit, found it implicated the people they're supposed to shield, so dropped it,

>>> investigated a bit, didn't ask the right questions, got bored and sweaty, and went off looking for an energy drink,

>>> didn't follow-up,

>>> denied, because it didn't implicate the scapegoats,

>>> claimed they didn't hear about.

Oh, cops did find a fast-boat driver who had slept in a cave in the forest (that's an odd place to sleep) on the night after the crime. When cops tried to question him, they determined he was too drugged-out to speak. So, did cops permanently leave him alone after that? If local mechanics did their jobs as well as Thai cops, the motors they work on would be packed with dirt & sand, and they'd lose the starter key.

Well there was never anything else reported about the 'drugged up' boat operator so what's to say he wasn't beaten up, tortured or killed? Pure speculation but highly possible. RTP wouldn't want him talking would they.

[catsanddogs]

Sean knows what happened. Read between the lines of his Facebook posts "I know you tried to stop it" and "you're the most honorable man I've ever met". David came across this savagery as did Sean.... David fought and paid with his life, Sean was warned away and ran. Sean is a coward and he is in part responsible. Find the little weasel and lets get to the bottom of this.

it's interesting that David probably died first as he fought with those who were in the process of the rape, once David suffered a fatal deadly attack then Hannah's fate was also sealed, there is no way they would have left a witness to Davids murder - she may have been left alive and abused but not murdered if David hadn't intervened

What exactly are you trying to say here?

there have been many documented rapes of young western girls in Thailand - very few of them end up being murdered

it is thought that David came to Hannahs rescue - which likely means he arrived when a gang of men were in the process of raping her on the beach, when he tried to intervene he was attacked and fatally injured - his murder may not have been intentional, Hannah likely witnessed the attack on David and her fate was sealed, Theory - Sean McKenna was there also but took no active roll in the rape or the two murders and got away with his own life by convincing the perps (His Thai mates) that he would keep his mouth shut - or maybe he did take part who knows, but he left very very quickly and suddenly the next day...........why ?

I don't think it was the following day McAnna left - it was after he was threatened by Mon and the cop.

[smedly]

it's interesting that David probably died first as he fought with those who were in the process of the rape, once David suffered a fatal deadly attack then Hannah's fate was also sealed, there is no way they would have left a witness to Davids murder - she may have been left alive and abused but not murdered if David hadn't intervened

What exactly are you trying to say here?

there have been many documented rapes of young western girls in Thailand - very few of them end up being murdered

it is thought that David came to Hannahs rescue - which likely means he arrived when a gang of men were in the process of raping her on the beach, when he tried to intervene he was attacked and fatally injured - his murder may not have been intentional, Hannah likely witnessed the attack on David and her fate was sealed, Theory - Sean McKenna was there also but took no active roll in the rape or the two murders and got away with his own life by convincing the perps (His Thai mates) that he would keep his mouth shut - or maybe he did take part who knows, but he left very very quickly and suddenly the next day...........why ?

While that's plausible, it doesn't match that of the SOC officer who said that Hannah's body was dragged several metres (to behind a rock?). If that is a factual statement and, in this instance, there is no reason to make a false statement) it does suggest that David was attacked first, before Hannah was violated, not while she was being violated. Same tragic conclusion, but it paints a slightly different crime scene, and that could be critical defence evidence from the UK CS specialist.

I also consider that the horrific disfigurement of Hannah's head and face, has more significance than just a 'murder'. It was pathologically brutal.

As to Sean keeping a low profile, it is just possible that if he gives evidence he could be incriminating himself - with the outcome of a possible life sentence for accessory of two murders. Enough said.

I didn't catch that in any of the statements but it was already my understanding after studying the photos that the rape and murder did not happen at the exact same location on the beach, my reasoning for that was the ground in front of her body looked relatively undisturbed, her left foot had sunk into the sand likely due to tidal effect which may have also covered over any disturbance in the sand from a rape which is why I have never mentioned it - never been there so no idea of the layout or how far the tide comes up the beach

I don't understand why you think David was attacked before Hannah was sexually assaulted, can't figure that one and not sure what difference it would make to any point that I have made, the fact that David was there and was murdered (first) sealed her fate (that was my point), I also don't see how any of this could be critical defence material, there is no question that David was murdered and Hannah was raped and murdered - did I miss something

Remember it was dark on the beach and likely whoever bludgeoned Hannah to a pulp was unaware of how much damage they actually did, the only aim was to make sure she was dead

As for your last sentence concerning Mr Coward McKenna - I already covered that

so I'm at a loss as to why you replied to my post

Edited July 15, 2015 by smedly

[smedly]

it's interesting that David probably died first as he fought with those who were in the process of the rape, once David suffered a fatal deadly attack then Hannah's fate was also sealed, there is no way they would have left a witness to Davids murder - she may have been left alive and abused but not murdered if David hadn't intervened

What exactly are you trying to say here?

there have been many documented rapes of young western girls in Thailand - very few of them end up being murdered

it is thought that David came to Hannahs rescue - which likely means he arrived when a gang of men were in the process of raping her on the beach, when he tried to intervene he was attacked and fatally injured - his murder may not have been intentional, Hannah likely witnessed the attack on David and her fate was sealed, Theory - Sean McKenna was there also but took no active roll in the rape or the two murders and got away with his own life by convincing the perps (His Thai mates) that he would keep his mouth shut - or maybe he did take part who knows, but he left very very quickly and suddenly the next day...........why ?

I don't think it was the following day McAnna left - it was after he was threatened by Mon and the cop.

not sure the exact day he left but I do remember it was in a hurry, also how is it known he was threatened, did he post it somewhere, either way the question still remains - why was it he had to leave and if true why was he threatened

[Blackfox]

The RTP are "mai mee kwam samarth"...incompetent.

It'll be due to this extreme incompetence (even if a coverup), the truth will never be found.

It's hurts to say that due to huge failings and inadequacies with local police, all the way up to the top I doubt the victims families will ever find peace.

Coincidentally, as previous posts suggested, tourism will suffer in this country if a "bombshell" comes out.

My wife and I are just out of town for 2 full days and we are the only guests in a beautiful new build hotel.

I hope tourists do "get wind" of this often corrupt "Land of Lies", and choose other destinations.

It pains me often these days to call it home.

My thoughts are with the victims parents and families.

I can't imagine the ongoing pain you are going through and I'm deeply sorry for your loss.

Edited July 15, 2015 by Blackfox

[DLang]

It doesn't matter what evidence is or isn't present during th 'trial'.

a panel of judges will decide if guilty or not.

The General has publicly declared them guilty.

the panel of judges are going to upset His Lordship and cause him to lose massive face internationally. It would well be the death of them.

Case closed, verdict is 100% decided already.

It's really good to see someone who has this matter 100% sown up, and is able to do so because has so much insider knowledge. Now, I could be wrong but I thought there was only one judge sitting on this case. If not right, feel free to correct this aspect, seeing you know so much.

Er, no.

The case is being 'judged' by a 3 member panel of judges.

And yes, the 'verdict' has already been decided.

It was the moment the ruler of the country publicly declared that he had personally reviewed all the evidence and that they are guilty as charged, while publicly praising the fine police work.

Enjoy your holiday here. don't think so much and enjoy it.

Edited July 15, 2015 by DLang

[smoggie]

Sean's interview on the back if a songtaew before leaving.

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Edited July 15, 2015 by smoggie

[smedly]

Rumours of a set-up by Thai authorities, desperate to preserve the country’s “paradise” image for tourists...

here is the key of the story...!...the image of the entire thailand is present.....so they want their island to keep making money as if nothing hapened, and stupid some are ...they are still comming giving money to those people indircetly or directly involved ...who knows!!

this is no more justice ....this is a politic and economic matter.

myself i will never go to that island, not because of the murder itself, it could hapenned anywhere, but because how this murder case has been taken and processed by the thai autorities.

run a bulldozer through the whole rotten place - remove all the players and start again

[boomerangutang]

There's a photo from a few days ago which shows detail of one of the B2. He's got a shoelace tied to one link of his shackles, so he can alleviate the weight with his hand, while walking or climbing steps. My lesser point here is: why do they need to be shackled? They're not going to run. My main point is: the chain is heavy duty - waaaaay heavier than needed to shackle a men's ankles. It looks like 3/8 inch. You don't even need a chain that thick to secure the gate going in to Government House. Over-kill, Thai style. ....but it fits with the prison cloth - to portray the B2 as downtrodden & guilty 'til proven innocent.

As for the trial: I hope it's not declared a mistrial soon. I'd rather it be declared a mistrial later, although I'd like to see the B2 released a.s.a.p. The reason I'd like the mistrial announcement put off, is because I want to see more evidence put forth. I also want to see my and other peoples' theories about police lying and ineptitude, proven in the public domain.

Already, in the first 3 days, we've been somewhat vindicated. In other words, some predictions by the peanut gallery have waxed true. Actually, it's been more bizarre than thought. I doubt anyone would have predicted how blatantly inept the DNA trail has become, and the DNA evidence has barely begun to be presented. Please, Judges, don't declare a mistrial too soon. We want to see what other surprises the RTP and prosecution have for the court.

[DLang]

It doesn't matter what evidence is or isn't present during th 'trial'.

a panel of judges will decide if guilty or not.

The General has publicly declared them guilty.

the panel of judges are going to upset His Lordship and cause him to lose massive face internationally. It would well be the death of them.

Case closed, verdict is 100% decided already.

And your political agenda is so obvious it will probably trip you up.

No political agenda.

Just speaking the truth to newbs who actually think that there's a trial going on.

I agree with you except that there is a trial now in the court of international public opinion. The big question as I see it is what will cause the biggest loss of face - guilty or not guilty?

To the country? Guilty.

To the powerful rulers who have already decided the outcome? Not guilty.

No need to think about which one matter most to the panel of judges.

Edited July 15, 2015 by DLang

[DLang]

Koh Tao locals (Thais) seemed to find the brutal murders amusing and even posted reenactment photos on Facebook

Beautiful Thai culture on show again.

So you think a bunch of idiots + FB pics represent "Thai culture"? Please tell me your nationality and I'll lookup some geniusses representing your "culture" on the trashcan known as the internet.

Off-topic: As for the unfortunate German being attacked in Udon. Culprits were caught by police and will go to jail. Next please.

Yes, empathy and compassion, especially for those considered lower than oneself, are not Thai cultural traits. Mocking them and/or enjoying their misfortune unfortunately all too common.

Sorry the TAT brochure fooled you. Enjoy your holiday here.

[Kannikapor88]

I just saw a photo of Hannah's younger sister, Laura. Yet another of the many peripheral victims of that savage event of early morning Sept 15, 2014. Laura has had her elder sister ripped off. Let's hope Laura and other pretty girls like her act carefully if they go visit a Thai beach resort. Sorry to say, it's just not safe. We, the decent farang who reside in Thailand would love to welcome you with open arms, but you'd be safer going to other vacation areas. Try Burma or Laos, for example. Less tourists get murdered in Burma in a full year, than in one week at a little Thai island.

I meet a lot of backpackers during the run of the year. I met two pretty young gals who were traveling from NW USA. As they were leaving Haat Rin at Ko Pa Gnan (near KT), a motorbike with two Thai guys drove alongside, grabbed the girls' handbags and tried to pull it off. Luckily, the girls were in excellent physical shape (both were contenders for the US Winter Olympic team), and got away without crashing. When they got back to their guest house, they saw both their packs had been stolen. The Brit who owned the g.h. commenced to yell at them to not tell police, as it would reflect badly on him and his business. A week later (it took them a week in smoggy Bkk to get new passports), I met the gals at my work-exchange farmstead, a bit worse for wear. During a week with me at my farm, they lost their jitters and we had good times going to waterfalls and such, but it's doubtful they or their friends will ever want to visit Thailand ever again.

Agree ... Thailand is a VERY dangerous place and nothing like its presented by TAT and other loony institutions - The frequenzy of deaths among foerigners are sky high compared to e.g. Bali, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia etc.

i can only advice all I know to stay away unless they are seeking for more "Adventure" than a normal person would ask for ... Stay away ...

[loonodingle]

Personally I expected them to be found hanging in the cell. Still if the Polee read these threads that might still happen a day case closed. Guilt proven problem solved.

[loonodingle]

I just saw a photo of Hannah's younger sister, Laura. Yet another of the many peripheral victims of that savage event of early morning Sept 15, 2014. Laura has had her elder sister ripped off. Let's hope Laura and other pretty girls like her act carefully if they go visit a Thai beach resort. Sorry to say, it's just not safe. We, the decent farang who reside in Thailand would love to welcome you with open arms, but you'd be safer going to other vacation areas. Try Burma or Laos, for example. Less tourists get murdered in Burma in a full year, than in one week at a little Thai island.

I meet a lot of backpackers during the run of the year. I met two pretty young gals who were traveling from NW USA. As they were leaving Haat Rin at Ko Pa Gnan (near KT), a motorbike with two Thai guys drove alongside, grabbed the girls' handbags and tried to pull it off. Luckily, the girls were in excellent physical shape (both were contenders for the US Winter Olympic team), and got away without crashing. When they got back to their guest house, they saw both their packs had been stolen. The Brit who owned the g.h. commenced to yell at them to not tell police, as it would reflect badly on him and his business. A week later (it took them a week in smoggy Bkk to get new passports), I met the gals at my work-exchange farmstead, a bit worse for wear. During a week with me at my farm, they lost their jitters and we had good times going to waterfalls and such, but it's doubtful they or their friends will ever want to visit Thailand ever again.

Agree ... Thailand is a VERY dangerous place and nothing like its presented by TAT and other loony institutions - The frequenzy of deaths among foerigners are sky high compared to e.g. Bali, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia etc.

i can only advice all I know to stay away unless they are seeking for more "Adventure" than a normal person would ask for ... Stay away ...

The problem Is not many people care anymore. Look at Koh Tao pub crawl page. The place is heaving. Other than us band of merry men and women and a few on other sites the only people who are concerned is the parents. It's old news in a sense times passed and people have moved on. Whilst there also a bit on the news it's not got the traction it had before.

Edited July 15, 2015 by loonodingle

[catsanddogs]

Anyone got any ideas as to why Nomsod did the monk thing?

[Beng]

"The press can't take notes inside the court room and menacing looking blokes hang around outside".

Now this draws a picture perfect image of the situation there.

[boomerangutang]

Are those fishermen still alive I wonder? If so they should be able to help the defence.

Yet another of the scores of possible clues that Thai investigators either......

>>> didn't think how it could relate to the investigation,

>>> heard about, but disregarded as unimportant,

>>> investigated a bit, found it implicated the people they're supposed to shield, so dropped it,

>>> investigated a bit, didn't ask the right questions, got bored and sweaty, and went off looking for an energy drink,

>>> didn't follow-up,

>>> denied, because it didn't implicate the scapegoats,

>>> claimed they didn't hear about.

Oh, cops did find a fast-boat driver who had slept in a cave in the forest (that's an odd place to sleep) on the night after the crime. When cops tried to question him, they determined he was too drugged-out to speak. So, did cops permanently leave him alone after that? If local mechanics did their jobs as well as Thai cops, the motors they work on would be packed with dirt & sand, and they'd lose the starter key.

Well there was never anything else reported about the 'drugged up' boat operator so what's to say he wasn't beaten up, tortured or killed? Pure speculation but highly possible. RTP wouldn't want him talking would they.

RTP doesn't want to re-visit with the fast-boat driver because he can't tell them anything they want to hear. The defense will probably not talk with him because if he implicates the Headman's people in the crime, then three things could ensue:

>>> The driver would get harmed, as you alluded to (RTP and H's people don't want anything implicating the people who must be shielded)

>>> Whomever from the defense, who is investigating - might get harmed (for disrepecting the victims' families)

>>> The judges could put a gag on it, saying something like, "Only the two defendants are on trial, no one else."

Indeed, the judges could say that about any other evidence which points to Nomsod or Mon or their buddies. Already, the judge has put tight parameters on what can be re-examined forensically (the hoe, a flip-flop, and some bags). That's not to say the judge will forbid anything else from being examined, but he'll keep a tight lid on it, particularly if there are any items or data which might implicate the H's family.

[Rykbanlor]

Anyone got any ideas as to why Nomsod did the monk thing?

Some might say it is a done thing for boys of his age, which is not untrue.

Others might say he was trying to make merit, or pay off karma if you like.

Either way, it came at an interesting time.

[brewsterbudgen]

Articles posted in The Sun doesnt count really , you wont find a worse tabloid than that, They can print anything,

OK I am not in the UK, however isn't The Sun a popular tabloid that may be read by people looking for a value for money getaway to Thailand.

If it stops a few spending their hard earned in Koh Tao then it's all good.

Agree on that - Anything that can stop people going to that disgusting Island is a good thing - If B2 gets convicted then anything stopping people from going to Thailand is a good thing ... I will try to do something on Thai-Forum in my homecountry to warn people about going here ...

So the whole of Thailand is responsible? I hope you apply the same ridiculous, misguided logic to all countries but I somewhat doubt it.

[stephenterry]

I didn't catch that in any of the statements but it was already my understanding after studying the photos that the rape and murder did not happen at the exact same location on the beach, my reasoning for that was the ground in front of her body looked relatively undisturbed, her left foot had sunk into the sand likely due to tidal effect which may have also covered over any disturbance in the sand from a rape which is why I have never mentioned it - never been there so no idea of the layout or how far the tide comes up the beach

I don't understand why you think David was attacked before Hannah was sexually assaulted, can't figure that one and not sure what difference it would make to any point that I have made, the fact that David was there and was murdered (first) sealed her fate (that was my point), I also don't see how any of this could be critical defence material, there is no question that David was murdered and Hannah was raped and murdered - did I miss something

Remember it was dark on the beach and likely whoever bludgeoned Hannah to a pulp was unaware of how much damage they actually did, the only aim was to make sure she was dead

As for your last sentence concerning Mr Coward McKenna - I already covered that

so I'm at a loss as to why you replied to my post

The very fact that the defence has solicited the assistance of a crime scene specialist, indicates (IMO) that they will be contesting the RTP's assertion that the B2 (or any other rapists) were motivated by lust - as in your scenario. At this point we don't know if Hannah was raped or if consensual sex occurred, or any sex occurred at all. We only know what the RTP has reported (albeit it is reasonable to accept that semen samples were obtained), because there has been no full disclosure of the postmortem findings carried out here.

It is just as possible that David and Hannah together, or with a group, were confronted and argued with their attackers before any violence occurred. For example, a typical and insulting farang 'get lost' phrase could incite a violent reaction (from both sober and intoxicated Thai/Burmese males). And little attention has been raised on the issue of how many footprints were found at the crime site, and have they been matched, and what significance it shows?

So, IMO, it is important to gain some understanding of how events unfolded that could help the B2 defend their case better.

[boomerangutang]

Anyone got any ideas as to why Nomsod did the monk thing?

That's a softball question. It's a tradition in Thailand for people in trouble (particularly elder men in the public arena), to shirk some scrutiny by going to a temple, getting their heads shaved and donning robes. There's a photo of NS, standing with his brand new pink robes, alongside his mom, dad and lawyer (a dear friend of his mom's) at the temple grounds - probably right after his initiation. I don't think he lasted long there. There are some words I could add, but I'd probably be in Banishmentland.

[catsanddogs]

The lab wasn't able to work out what colour the hair was that was sent for testing!?!

The court hearing the trial of two Burmese migrant workers charged with the murder of British backpackers David Miller and Hannah Witheridge has ordered the re-testing of forensic evidence collected at the murder scene.

The Samui Provincial Court, in allowing the defence team's request, ordered the public prosecutors to work with investigators to send all remaining forensic evidence, including a shovel, to the Justice Ministry's Central Institute of Forensic Science for re-testing.

The trial has been adjourned to 22 July.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/thailand-backpacker-murders-court-orders-re-tests-forensic-evidence-1510520

Edited July 15, 2015 by metisdead
Edited as per fair use policy.

[boomerangutang]

I have a feeling that 'motive' for the heinous crime won't carry much if any weight for the judges decision. I could be wrong, but motive is a somewhat nebulous concept. It entails assumptions about what others are thinking. Judges will likely be aiming to side with the prosecution - to convict. The sorts of things which will save the B2's skin are tangible things, like : whether the DNA trail is dependable and, to a lesser extent; eyewitness accounts.

If this trial were in a US court, then motive would have more bearing.

If the RTP's DNA trail continues to self-destruct, then the court will have to declare a mistrial and/or acquit. Anything else will paint them in to a highly subjective corner.

[Si Thea01]

It doesn't matter what evidence is or isn't present during th 'trial'.

a panel of judges will decide if guilty or not.

The General has publicly declared them guilty.

the panel of judges are going to upset His Lordship and cause him to lose massive face internationally. It would well be the death of them.

Case closed, verdict is 100% decided already.

It's really good to see someone who has this matter 100% sown up, and is able to do so because has so much insider knowledge. Now, I could be wrong but I thought there was only one judge sitting on this case. If not right, feel free to correct this aspect, seeing you know so much.

Er, no.

The case is being 'judged' by a 3 member panel of judges.

And yes, the 'verdict' has already been decided.

It was the moment the ruler of the country publicly declared that he had personally reviewed all the evidence and that they are guilty as charged, while publicly praising the fine police work.

Enjoy your holiday here. don't think so much and enjoy it.

Thanks for putting that straight and letting everyone know that the verdict has already been decided. Your are very knowledgeable about this matter, so if what you say is true, then the judges are not acting fair or impartially, and someone higher up is controlling them,how do you know all this? What is this assumption about holidays and the thinking bit?

Edited July 15, 2015 by Si Thea01

[DennisF]

Tempers are fraying and speculation regarding these murders is becoming a little too graphic in description.

Should we not consider that the families of the victims are already trauimatised by viewing the photos in court without TV posters

continually reminding them of the details?

Whether we are willing to admit it or not, there ARE some really good policemen in Thailand who care about policing properly, this case

involves those with more "influence" than the regular policeman.

Thailand is also still a beautiful country and as a long time resident I too can say that I have never had any serious problems here, and I get around a bit.

Its not fair to tar the whole of Thailand for something that happened in a small island run by so called mafia.

[nottocus]

Its not fair to tar the whole of Thailand for something that happened in a small island run by so called mafia.

I guess it's just the idea that one day, one could be murdered by a Thai and nothing happens to the perp as they haves connections. Could happen anywhere in Thailand.

[Basil B]

Due to incompetence and corruption...

Much of the evidence against the B2 had been discredited and if the trial continues it is likely to discredit the whole of the Thai judicial system.

It also means that it is highly unlikely that the real perpetrators of these murders will ever be successfully prosecuted, this is an injustice to family and friends of Hannah and David.

What seems so amassing is how the RTP are so incompetent in securing the integrity of a crime scene, not just this case but virtually ever crime reported we see the crime scene compromised, surly every police officer should know how to secure a crime scene, evidence should be taken and kept in as manor as not to discredit it at a trail.

Most appealing thing of all is the number of explicit evidential photos that should not have made it to the public domain.