webfact Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 THAI-FRENCH TIESFrench envoy gets list of lese majeste suspects in exileThe NationBANGKOK: -- Justice Minister General Paiboon Khumchaya yesterday handed a list of suspects facing lese majeste charges to French Ambassador to Thailand Thierry Viteau for acknowledgement.At the meeting, Paiboon said that Thailand did not want France to take action against these individuals, but just wanted France to learn about facts and understand Thailand's point of view. It is reported that some of these suspects have fled to Franc.The minister said Thailand understood the question of rights and freedom of expression if cases are politically based, but those related to security offences concerning the monarchy were different and the state gave more importance to these.Though still unconfirmed, it is believed that at least three names were handed to the ambassador.Paiboon will also be chairing a meeting with the Foreign Ministry;s high-ranking officials today to follow up on lese majeste cases.Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/French-envoy-gets-list-of-lese-majeste-suspects-in-30264387.html-- The Nation 2015-07-14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NongKhaiKid Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 No doubt politely received with all diplomatic courtesy then tossed in the File And Forget tray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
englishoak Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 File it in the bin, thats what they do in the UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davehowden Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 A Thai Letter, not as useful as a French Letter I guess! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnzoRippo Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Today is the French National Day with party at Sofitel. I hope I'll not see one of these Gvt Cake Faces at the party, we have nothing in common. Liberty Equality Fraternity are not exactly words very popular in the local gvt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthurboy Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Watch the junta spin this out to something like, 'French authorities promise to look into Thailand's request to extradite...' over the next few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Given that the French do not really have a strong tradition of cherishing monarchs, this is unlikely to achieve anything. As was said, Liberty, equality and fraternity aren't very high on the agenda at the moment! Bon chance for Bastille day. Wasn't that something to do with storming a prison to release prisoners who had been banged up for saying critical things about the establishment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NongKhaiKid Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Watch the junta spin this out to something like, 'French authorities promise to look into Thailand's request to extradite...' over the next few days. Plus the standard comment that France ' understands '. Yes France will understand but not in the way LoS expects or wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywais Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Post in non-English removed per this forum rule. English is the only acceptable language anywhere on ThaiVisa including Classifieds, except within the Thai language forum, where of course using Thai is allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatawonderfulday Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Just further proof, if any more is needed, to indicate to the international community that the Thai government are completely at a loss has to how to extricate their heads from their own backsides. Stupidity, ignorance, arrogance and a total disregard to any social responsibility are the 4 , and only 4, qualifications needed by the Thai government, it's supporters and cronies, to maintain their self important lifestyles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tx22cb Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 "The minister said Thailand understood the question of rights and freedom of expression if cases are politically based" Another bare-faced lie. Try telling that to the 14 students and numerous others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Kubasa Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Don't the Thai authorities realize that these "presentations" only provide comedic laugh relief to foreign governments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 ''Please'', said the French diplomat, ''cut out the middle man, don't hand the list to us throw it straight into the rubbish bin'' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lildragon Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 The generals need To read up on their history of France methinks. The Thai powers that be, 200 years behind the rest of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 When it said a "list" of names I expected something on the order of 10-30 names. But possibly only 3 names? And is it a secret as to who they are? You could have left a phone message with the embassy operator for the three names instead of embarrasing a Thai government official to meet the envoy. If these people are in France I hope the international press interviews them for their unfiltered response to the charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlQaholic Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 (edited) The question is, why is the French envoy approached in this matter at all at this particular time? what is the real story? Edited July 14, 2015 by AlQaholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Given that the French do not really have a strong tradition of cherishing monarchs, this is unlikely to achieve anything. As was said, Liberty, equality and fraternity aren't very high on the agenda at the moment! Bon chance for Bastille day. Wasn't that something to do with storming a prison to release prisoners who had been banged up for saying critical things about the establishment? Yep. And then replaced the governing structure with the "terror", mass executions following kangaroo courts or not bothering with trials, etc. After a while the got Napoleon, the dictator who wanted to rule Europe, followed by various assorted Emperors and Republics. That well known bastion of democracy and free speech De Gualle ruled for some time after WW2. Since his passing, a few scandals and upheavals but no senior politicians of note, except a strong growth for support for the extreme right. Actually, they had a strong tradition of monarchy for well over a thousand years prior to the revolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 When it said a "list" of names I expected something on the order of 10-30 names. But possibly only 3 names? And is it a secret as to who they are? You could have left a phone message with the embassy operator for the three names instead of embarrasing a Thai government official to meet the envoy. If these people are in France I hope the international press interviews them for their unfiltered response to the charges. I'm sure the French Ambassador took the list with suitable diplomatic decorum and thanked the Thais whilst suitable wai-ing. I'm sure he also knows exactly what to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deckape Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Slow news day, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawadee1947 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 how the ambassador managed not to laugh...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkerry Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 If you had to pick the country least likely to respond to such a request then surely France would top the list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Did the Thais actually explain "their point of view". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayboy Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 If you had to pick the country least likely to respond to such a request then surely France would top the list Not necessarily.France epitomises the art of realpolitik and will do anything that is required to further its interests.As Charles de Gaulle, an accomplished practitioner of the aforementioned art, once said "the State is a cold monster". Having said that France does genuinely believe in the revolutionary values - Liberty, equality and fraternity.The question is does the advantage of pleasing this Thai government outweigh other considerations.The answer is almost certainly not. Though it will not be expressed openly there will be on the French side some derision for the Thais who have impertinently made a request that is known to be contrary to the universally known French values.I think this is mistaken and that there was no insult intended.The reason for this is that it is impossible to underestimate this Thai government's ignorance. Another possibility is that the Thai government knows it will get nowhere with this request and does not much care.It is just a ritualistic dance designed to appease the reactionary old guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM07 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Aha! ...and? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirocco Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 lèse majesté ????? not know this word in France "Thank you for this moment" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
than Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 There are 365 days in a year and they chose the 14th of July! A little history for dummies Specifically designates as the Feast of the Federation the feast that was celebrated at the Champ de Mars in Paris, July 14, 1790, the first anniversary of the storming of the Bastille. In a climate of national unity, we saw a large crowd gathered around the king and members of the 83 departments. Louis XVI was present at this festival, and it was sworn to the Nation and to the law. This event is celebrated every 14 July since 1880, as the French National Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 A post in violation of the following has been removed as well as the replies: 1) You will not express disrespect of the King of Thailand or any one member of the Thai royal family, whether living or deceased, nor to criticize the monarchy as an institution. By law, the Thai Royal Family are above politics. Speculation, comments and discussion of either a political or personal nature are not allowed when discussing HM The King or the Royal family.* Discussion of the Lese Majeste law or Lese Majeste cases is permitted on the forum, providing no comment or speculation is made referencing the royal family. To breach these rules may result in immediate ban. Linking to external sites which break these rules will be treated as if you yourself posted them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 (edited) There are 365 days in a year and they chose the 14th of July! A little history for dummies Specifically designates as the Feast of the Federation the feast that was celebrated at the Champ de Mars in Paris, July 14, 1790, the first anniversary of the storming of the Bastille. In a climate of national unity, we saw a large crowd gathered around the king and members of the 83 departments. Louis XVI was present at this festival, and it was sworn to the Nation and to the law. This event is celebrated every 14 July since 1880, as the French National Day. It's a bit more complex as 14th of july refers to both the Bastille assault in 1789 and the Federation feast on 1790.It has been chosen in 1880 as national feast as it could satisfy both the republicans (refering to 1789) and the conservatives (refering to 1790). However since 1880 the French have become extensively republican and this date has an obvious republican tone, meaning for them the begining of the end of monarchy. It is commonly called "Fête de la Bastille" and never referred to the "Fête de la Fédération". Edited July 14, 2015 by candide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
than Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 (edited) lèse majesté ????? not know this word in France "Thank you for this moment" Well.... The offense to heads of state : lese majeste remains a crime in Europe. In France : since 2013 it is identical to that of ministers and parliamentarians, insult or defamation of the President of the Republic can be punished with a fine of € 45,000 In Belgium, the crime of "insulting the person of the king" is registered in the criminal code. Since the Act of 9 September 1885, he is considered a "crime against state security" The Netherlands: tolerance for artists, not for citizens. the crime of lese majeste is punishable since 1881! Sentence? "Prison sentence up to five years and a fine of the fourth category." In the last years of the reign of Beatrix, the number of convictions for lese majeste has multiplied. While there had been no convictions since 1969, between 2000 and 2012, 19 people were prosecuted and convicted 9 (5 fines and 4 prison sentences ). In Germany, publicly slandering the president of the Republic is a punishable offense since 1952, from 3 months to 5 years imprisonment by Article 90 of the Penal Code.Quite often used, the article 90 has opened the way to 41 cases between 1990 and 2004. In Greece the law on "Offending governments" calls "high treason" with sentences ranging from 10 years imprisonment to life. In Italy, the crime of insulting the head of state was introduced under the fascist regime in 1930 and was never abolished. This offense is punishable by one to five years in prison. Edited July 14, 2015 by than Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirocco Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 practically, the majority of French is confusion, however we learned by heart the story of July 14, and, as the years passed, we all remember the "Bastille" and its table, really obscuring the history July 14. eh! yea, and in that time he was already a FEMEN wielding his flag. Now the FEMEN are sponsored and they do all countries. Without any reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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