Dogs are a real problem in thailand

[ghworker2010]

I'm a dog lover and have owned one my whole life. This thread is old news but basically I think some thai folk are so clueless (or stupid) when it comes to their dogs.

We live in housing estate / village where all the houses are the same ugly design. Nearly every house has a dog but it seems I am the only one giving my fury friend a walk in the morning and afternoon.

We are moving house in 3 weeks because the idiot next door has 5 of the small fluffy rat dogs that bark all day and night. The low class idiot across the road also has one as well that howls at 2am. We complained to him and his only response is that we have to 'adapt' because we are renters. Then there's the family diagonally across from us that has 3 crazy little dogs with extremely high pitched barks. They are left in cages day and night and carry on at all times of day and night.

Anyways, we are moving to another house in town that has a large garden. Ive done several drive by's and noticed recently that groups of soi dogs are wondering around. I'm obviously hoping that they will move on by the time we occupy the house but worry about the fact that they too could be annoying during our tenancy.

I write to ask what is the best thing to do when I open my gate and try to take my dog for a walk everyday when potentially a pack of dogs will have a go at my dog. From experience I suppose its best that I carry a long bamboo stick and a water spray with bleach in it. Do you think its the best solution? My dog can handle himself if there is one dog (or maybe 2) as he is a former soi dog... but not 5. Its going to annoy me if they start to hang around the front gate and disrupt my morning and afternoon walk as I like to take my baby in the pram as well sometimes.

Any advice is appreciated

cheers

[Lite Beer]

I have given up walking my dog for that very reason.

Selfish idiots that just let their dogs run wild.

Luckily our garden is big enough for her to chase a ball around and get some exercise.

[JakeSully]

Go around with a scapel and neuter the dogs yourself!

[mickjn]

I do not know that happens at Maha Sarakham.Seems to be a lot around one month and the next month they have disappered,very strange place

[Eddy B]

Soi dogs can be a pain and not easy to remove. If you have a car and the time, why not load up the dog and baby and drive somewhere that is better like a park or open area for your daily strolls. I know it is a pain but maybe less of one when contending with fighting off soi dogs if you have your dog and the baby in the pram. I have lived in my soi now for over 9 years and to begin with the dogs were aggressive. Over time they are now quite friendly and will follow me if I decide to walk along the soi. There are also some home owner dogs that are just plain nasty but luckily my friendly soi dogs take care of them for me.

[ghworker2010]

I just had another idea... I could perhaps use one of those strong lazer pen lights. I doubt that the dogs will like that shining in their eyes. Its lighter to carry than a bamboo stick

[giddyup]

I just had another idea... I could perhaps use one of those strong lazer pen lights. I doubt that the dogs will like that shining in their eyes. Its lighter to carry than a bamboo stick

If they stand still long enough for you to take aim. I think your stick and bleach idea is a better one.

[Shot]

I don't have a dog for all those reasons. I have one neighbor who takes his dog for a walk couple times a day, and he carries a meter long piece of PVC pipe. He'll give the soi dogs a good bash if they come too close. Seems to work. Meanwhile his crazy wife feeds the soi dogs.

[fish fingers]

thinking to bring my staffy over in a few months. I'm a bit worried that some neighbours dogs will attack him. I dont want to be had up for vet bills

[giddyup]

We don't walk our dog outside our village (has security gates) because it's just not relaxing. Who wants to walk their dog and have to be on guard against other soi dogs attacking?

[steven100]

Just take a .22 with you ... get rid of a few each day and after a week you'll be fine ...

[Crazy chef 1]

Buy a pit bull...last time I walked big boy those dam'n soi dogs came close,big boy barked a few times and the pest disappeared...

[Craig krup]

Just take a .22 with you ... get rid of a few each day and after a week you'll be fine ...

You wonder what the police response would be if you paid someone £50 for a loan of a suppressed rimfire rifle and spent a night popping everything for half a mile . I was shocked at how quiet a suppressed LR is. If you used subsonic ammunition and put a thick rag over the breach it would be like a bullfrog breaking wind. Mind you, you'd definitely get caught!! What would be worse is everyone knowing that you'd done it but not letting you know that they knew.

[Stan42]

Most Thai's don't really take care of their dogs that much. They go to Chatuchak, pick an individual they think is cute, pay 30k, then take them home and raise them like an object.

They don't take them out for walks, they feed them their left overs, like spaghetti, many rice dishes, even pizza.They also never bother about hygiene.

[NeverSure]

"I suppose its best that I carry a long bamboo stick and a water spray with bleach ammonia in it."

[blackcab]

thinking to bring my staffy over in a few months. I'm a bit worried that some neighbours dogs will attack him. I dont want to be had up for vet bills

Staffies are on the prohibited list and cannot be brought in to Thailand.

Plenty of threads on the forum giving good advice on this though...

[katana]

"...We are moving house in 3 weeks because the idiot next door has 5 of the small fluffy rat dogs that bark all day and night..."

How do you know your dog isn't barking too when you're not around?

[daoyai]

I don't have a dog for all those reasons. I have one neighbor who takes his dog for a walk couple times a day, and he carries a meter long piece of PVC pipe. He'll give the soi dogs a good bash if they come too close. Seems to work. Meanwhile his crazy wife feeds the soi dogs.

The dogs hate him and like her.... can you figure it out?

[weka]

GH, I have (had perhaps) a similar problem. Walking my dogs in areas where there are the same packs of dogs, temples, schools etc.

The trick is for the soi dogs to be scared of YOU

When your dogs are not around, take a stick and assert yourself (I know this sounds wierd but I started to chase them a bit, make myself big with stick and arms outstretched, throw stones near them etc). I often wondered about spraying them with vinegar or some such. Again ther idea is that they are scared of you, not your dogs.

The trick is for the soi dogs to see/smell you and think "there's that dangerous fecker with the stick, best to keep my distance".

It works for me and I've never hurt any of the dogs, they just think I'm an a$$hole and keep there distance when I walk my dogs. Sure they bark a bit and circle around but they never come too close and my dogs now just go "meh"

Don't chase the soi dogs when you've got yours in tow though, that triggers all sorts of confrontational behaviour from all the dogs, yours and theirs.

[bendejo]

One that freaks dogs out is flying projectiles.

[claffey]

Your right.Thailand should change everything to suit what you think is best. You are after all such a superior being. I can assume you are from a Western country where dog walking is a hobby for many people. Here's an idea.Why don't you return home to your own country and walk your dog in peace? This is Thailand.It's different than where you come from. You are probably the type of person who constantly complains about immigrants at home who fail to integrate into your community.Then you become an immigrant in a foreign country yourself and expect that country to change for you!!! Imperialism still exists and you are a fine example of it....

Personally I don't understand why people like to keep any sort of animals in their home? Especially in a big city like Bangkok where there is a lack of green spaces for them to be 'free'. Actually in some ways its actually cruel to own a dog in a city.That's my opinion but again, I fail to understand the attraction of living with animals....

[giddyup]

Your right.Thailand should change everything to suit what you think is best. You are after all such a superior being. I can assume you are from a Western country where dog walking is a hobby for many people. Here's an idea.Why don't you return home to your own country and walk your dog in peace? This is Thailand.It's different than where you come from. You are probably the type of person who constantly complains about immigrants at home who fail to integrate into your community.Then you become an immigrant in a foreign country yourself and expect that country to change for you!!! Imperialism still exists and you are a fine example of it....

Personally I don't understand why people like to keep any sort of animals in their home? Especially in a big city like Bangkok where there is a lack of green spaces for them to be 'free'. Actually in some ways its actually cruel to own a dog in a city.That's my opinion but again, I fail to understand the attraction of living with animals....

If you don't understand the attraction, no amount of explaining will enlighten you.

[Jay1]

Your right.Thailand should change everything to suit what you think is best. You are after all such a superior being. I can assume you are from a Western country where dog walking is a hobby for many people. Here's an idea.Why don't you return home to your own country and walk your dog in peace? This is Thailand.It's different than where you come from. You are probably the type of person who constantly complains about immigrants at home who fail to integrate into your community.Then you become an immigrant in a foreign country yourself and expect that country to change for you!!! Imperialism still exists and you are a fine example of it....

Personally I don't understand why people like to keep any sort of animals in their home? Especially in a big city like Bangkok where there is a lack of green spaces for them to be 'free'. Actually in some ways its actually cruel to own a dog in a city.That's my opinion but again, I fail to understand the attraction of living with animals....

The OP is just saying that Thailand has a dog problem, he is of course correct. Why get so heavy? Only a complete tool would disagree that the street dogs in Thailand are disease ridden menaces.

[giddyup]

Your right.Thailand should change everything to suit what you think is best. You are after all such a superior being. I can assume you are from a Western country where dog walking is a hobby for many people. Here's an idea.Why don't you return home to your own country and walk your dog in peace? This is Thailand.It's different than where you come from. You are probably the type of person who constantly complains about immigrants at home who fail to integrate into your community.Then you become an immigrant in a foreign country yourself and expect that country to change for you!!! Imperialism still exists and you are a fine example of it....

Personally I don't understand why people like to keep any sort of animals in their home? Especially in a big city like Bangkok where there is a lack of green spaces for them to be 'free'. Actually in some ways its actually cruel to own a dog in a city.That's my opinion but again, I fail to understand the attraction of living with animals....

The OP is just saying that Thailand has a dog problem, he is of course correct. Why get so heavy? Only a complete tool would disagree that the street dogs in Thailand are disease ridden menaces.

Methinks a dog bite from a soi dog, followed by a course of 5 rabies injections may change claffey's outlook.

[green job]

Just take a .22 with you ... get rid of a few each day and after a week you'll be fine ...

You wonder what the police response would be if you paid someone £50 for a loan of a suppressed rimfire rifle and spent a night popping everything for half a mile . I was shocked at how quiet a suppressed LR is. If you used subsonic ammunition and put a thick rag over the breach it would be like a bullfrog breaking wind. Mind you, you'd definitely get caught!! What would be worse is everyone knowing that you'd done it but not letting you know that they knew.

Yep subsonic,hollow point

[konying]

Many locals simply do not know and do not understand about animals, animal care or welfare.

I have a neighbor who has 2 dogs, i have 6

We became friendly, but she had no clue.

I showed her, dogs need to be walked and can not be locked up in small garden.

She came along with me to the park for few weeks, but then got tired and dogs are loved but locked up in tiny garden

My maid, is an absolute animal lover, but she had no clue how to look after animals.

When she started to work for me, she started to learn everything from training to food, to welfare.

She now has about 12 dogs and 17 cats. All well cared for.

Its basically down to knowledge, most locals i have met do not know where to even look for information.

[RasiMike]

Dogs have become more of a problem around our area since the dog collector is no longer allowed to operate.

Up until a couple of years ago, the dog truck would drive around our area picking up strays off the street and swapping buckets for unwanted puppies. Any dogs with the cute factor were being cleaned up and sold...the others were being eaten. While it may be an imperfect or cruel option for dog lovers the situation was managed and dog numbers were not such a problem. Getting a full nights sleep these days is impossible since the strays roam all night and our neighbours with the 'more is better' mentality have 3 or more barkers each. All of them get going at least 3 times during the wee hours and I sometimes feel like shooting the lot of them (owners included).....

Bring back the meat wagon I reckon.

[ghworker2010]

"...We are moving house in 3 weeks because the idiot next door has 5 of the small fluffy rat dogs that bark all day and night..."

How do you know your dog isn't barking too when you're not around?

How do I know.... because we have a full time nanny who would tell us and I know my dog well by now. He only barks if someone comes to our gate

[evadgib]

A jiff lemon or similar able to fire a jet of vinegar etc into the eyes or mouth usually earns the firer a 2m exclusion zone after just one squirt!

HTH

A slight deviation but nontheless worth a read....

http://www.samuitimes.com/sniffer-dogs-this-oft-used-phrase-belittles-the-vital-roles-undertaken-by-highly-trained-animals-in-an-operational-environment-as-explained-in-this-letter-to-the-editor/

[RasiMike]

Obviously there's a large number of people all over the world, for all sorts of reasons, who have dogs under their control. If they'd ever seen a dog in the wild, doing what dogs do best, it may shed some light on the problem. I had 'pets' as a child but later in life found myself in the business of working with dogs for pest/vermin control and livestock management. In these roles I developed a rudimentary understanding of their worth and nature. As a result, I don't keep dogs as house pets nowadays as I live in suburbia and I find a captive dog to be a sad creature (similar to some humans), I'm not convinced that they understand our language and I think sometimes people recruit dogs, cats etc as surrogates for personal relationships and become far too emotionally attached . IMHO the reality is that dogs are reactive to praise, food and body language and will respond to the humans that 'own' them. If they don't have conditioning they will become pack animals.

Unfortunately the problem dogs of Thailand have no place in nature and those that are 'owned' are seldom looked after so they will continue to be a problem.