Corruption vs bureaucracy

[beachproperty]

Ask the people who died in Satika (66 people died there because of corruption) if corruption is good.. ask the people in the Ko Tao case if corruption is good. You fail to see the larger picture. It goes way beyond bribing a cop. You only see a few advantages but you fail to see the cost for the nation.

Just imagine if someone started to put a garbage dump next to your beach property and had bribed everyone so you could not object.

Because that is what corruption does it makes the person with the highest friends most money far more powerful as the normal people. It creates a situation where you cannot depend on the law.

These are not my experiences.. these are facts.

Guess you never heard of "eminent domain".....its a western term (and it may well exist in Thailand) but its the power of a state or a national government to take private property for public use and (in America, at least, can be taken by the government for use by private enitities).....so nothing is guaranteed in the West...even justice. Sorry to disappoint you....

Never said corruption was good ....just saying here in Thailand its called corruption ....in the West it's called Bureaucracy (or government)

You are indeed misguided. You probably had a bad experience in the "West", and now you can find nothing better to do than criticize it. Very sad indeed.

When fees or fines are collected in the West, it goes into the general fund for the gov't agency and/or gov't in general. It does not go into the pocket of a particular person.

I look forward to the day that the cop in Thailand shakes you down for 10,000 Baht... simply because he says you have "pills" in the back of the car. Knowing you from your posts, you will probably refuse to pay, and instead take pleasure in getting your corn-hole filled while spending time in jail for a week or two while your competent (and hopefully not corrupt) lawyer drinks whiskey with the cops.

Well...Gumball...you obviously have no clue, intellectually or philosophicallly ....so you main arguement becomes ....attack the OP, not the premise (as you are unable to)....rather naive and childish on your part

I guess when the US military was charged $37 for screws, $7,622 for a coffee maker AND $640 for a toilet seat...it didn't go into any particular persons pocket...BUT did go to the corporation though, who sold them (kickbacks to someone in the government?????)....

Time to grow up ...gumball....and get rid of your "rose tinted" glasses you have about the West

Btw...I love the US ....great place to live and growup.....BUT this post was not to criticize the west...

It's about ....is there really a difference between countries with corruption vs countries with LARGE bureaucracies......guess you missed that part.

[huawei]

Ask the people who died in Satika (66 people died there because of corruption) if corruption is good.. ask the people in the Ko Tao case if corruption is good. You fail to see the larger picture. It goes way beyond bribing a cop. You only see a few advantages but you fail to see the cost for the nation.

Just imagine if someone started to put a garbage dump next to your beach property and had bribed everyone so you could not object.

Because that is what corruption does it makes the person with the highest friends most money far more powerful as the normal people. It creates a situation where you cannot depend on the law.

These are not my experiences.. these are facts.

Guess you never heard of "eminent domain".....its a western term (and it may well exist in Thailand) but its the power of a state or a national government to take private property for public use and (in America, at least, can be taken by the government for use by private enitities).....so nothing is guaranteed in the West...even justice. Sorry to disappoint you....

Never said corruption was good ....just saying here in Thailand its called corruption ....in the West it's called Bureaucracy (or government)

You are indeed misguided. You probably had a bad experience in the "West", and now you can find nothing better to do than criticize it. Very sad indeed.

When fees or fines are collected in the West, it goes into the general fund for the gov't agency and/or gov't in general. It does not go into the pocket of a particular person.

I look forward to the day that the cop in Thailand shakes you down for 10,000 Baht... simply because he says you have "pills" in the back of the car. Knowing you from your posts, you will probably refuse to pay, and instead take pleasure in getting your corn-hole filled while spending time in jail for a week or two while your competent (and hopefully not corrupt) lawyer drinks whiskey with the cops.

Why does Thailand attract so many who rant about their home country. I find it distasteful and hypercritical....it smacks of someone less than successful.

[lostoday]

Ask the people who died in Satika (66 people died there because of corruption) if corruption is good.. ask the people in the Ko Tao case if corruption is good. You fail to see the larger picture. It goes way beyond bribing a cop. You only see a few advantages but you fail to see the cost for the nation.

Just imagine if someone started to put a garbage dump next to your beach property and had bribed everyone so you could not object.

Because that is what corruption does it makes the person with the highest friends most money far more powerful as the normal people. It creates a situation where you cannot depend on the law.

These are not my experiences.. these are facts.

Guess you never heard of "eminent domain".....its a western term (and it may well exist in Thailand) but its the power of a state or a national government to take private property for public use and (in America, at least, can be taken by the government for use by private enitities).....so nothing is guaranteed in the West...even justice. Sorry to disappoint you....

Never said corruption was good ....just saying here in Thailand its called corruption ....in the West it's called Bureaucracy (or government)

You are indeed misguided. You probably had a bad experience in the "West", and now you can find nothing better to do than criticize it. Very sad indeed.

When fees or fines are collected in the West, it goes into the general fund for the gov't agency and/or gov't in general. It does not go into the pocket of a particular person.

I look forward to the day that the cop in Thailand shakes you down for 10,000 Baht... simply because he says you have "pills" in the back of the car. Knowing you from your posts, you will probably refuse to pay, and instead take pleasure in getting your corn-hole filled while spending time in jail for a week or two while your competent (and hopefully not corrupt) lawyer drinks whiskey with the cops.

Why does Thailand attract so many who rant about their home country. I find it distasteful and hypercritical....it smacks of someone less than successful.

You mean, you are complaining about people in your home country who complain about their home country? If you are complaining about people who complain about their home country does that make you less than successful too?

[impulse]

Knowing you from your posts, you will probably refuse to pay, and instead take pleasure in getting your corn-hole filled while spending time in jail for a week or two while your competent (and hopefully not corrupt) lawyer drinks whiskey with the cops.

Corn-hole. That's code, right?

[beachproperty]

Knowing you from your posts, you will probably refuse to pay, and instead take pleasure in getting your corn-hole filled while spending time in jail for a week or two while your competent (and hopefully not corrupt) lawyer drinks whiskey with the cops.

Corn-hole. That's code, right?

Can only guess it's happened to him......so he has intimate knowledge

[Berkshire]

Ask the people who died in Satika (66 people died there because of corruption) if corruption is good.. ask the people in the Ko Tao case if corruption is good. You fail to see the larger picture. It goes way beyond bribing a cop. You only see a few advantages but you fail to see the cost for the nation.

Just imagine if someone started to put a garbage dump next to your beach property and had bribed everyone so you could not object.

Because that is what corruption does it makes the person with the highest friends most money far more powerful as the normal people. It creates a situation where you cannot depend on the law.

These are not my experiences.. these are facts.

Guess you never heard of "eminent domain".....its a western term (and it may well exist in Thailand) but its the power of a state or a national government to take private property for public use and (in America, at least, can be taken by the government for use by private enitities).....so nothing is guaranteed in the West...even justice. Sorry to disappoint you....

Never said corruption was good ....just saying here in Thailand its called corruption ....in the West it's called Bureaucracy (or government)

You are indeed misguided. You probably had a bad experience in the "West", and now you can find nothing better to do than criticize it. Very sad indeed.

When fees or fines are collected in the West, it goes into the general fund for the gov't agency and/or gov't in general. It does not go into the pocket of a particular person.

I look forward to the day that the cop in Thailand shakes you down for 10,000 Baht... simply because he says you have "pills" in the back of the car. Knowing you from your posts, you will probably refuse to pay, and instead take pleasure in getting your corn-hole filled while spending time in jail for a week or two while your competent (and hopefully not corrupt) lawyer drinks whiskey with the cops.

Why does Thailand attract so many who rant about their home country. I find it distasteful and hypercritical....it smacks of someone less than successful.

I rant about my home country (USA) because I know a lot about how it operates. Nothing wrong with that, and most Americans will agree we've got huge problems (although not as much as Trump et al seems to think).

The farangs who rant about Thailand typically have no idea what they're talking about. Therein lies the difference.

[Berkshire]

Actually I believe it does have something to do with the post. ....which basicly compared corruption and bureaucracy as one and same....this just confirms it.

Obviously there is a bureaucracy in Thailand (in addition to outright corruption).....But in the US much of the corruption is hidden under the pretense of "Bureaucracy" or other names....

Sooo ....Corruption ...Bureaucracy....Same-Same

I understand your points, although the readership here may confuse these two words you're comparing. Firstly, corruption does exist in Thailand...lots of it. Corruption also exist in the US...lots of it. But in the US, most of it is rather sophisticated so that the sheep won't even know they're being fleeced. The 2008 financial crisis is a good example.

I'm not a big fan of D. Trump, but he said something during the debates which really talks to American corruption. He said as a businessman, he would give campaign contributions to politicians on either side and he pretty darn well expected to get something back in return. I wonder what he meant by that? Duh.