Koh Tao murder trial reconvenes in Koh Samui

[thailandchilli]

I read somewhere that it is possible to "doctor" CCTV videos and that the video taken in the entrance hall and the corridor of a BKK condo block had been "altered" (time, date). I also read that the girlfriend of the young man in question affirmed in her Facebook that he was certainly not in BKK during that weekend.

Is this mere coincidence, or am I imagining stuff that I read?

As mentioned above, a good friend is Thai and works on the island. He has made it quite clear that "normal" Thais who live and work together there know that the little B2 guys are not the brightest or biggest sparks in the bonfire, and that they are fall-guys. The Thais themselves know that the killer is related to the Mr Big and is his son or nephew. But most Thais down there keep mouths shut because the cops or the mafia big guys would get to you first.

This whole case reeks of Thai-ness at its worst. Corrupt, face loss, business interests, paradise island, lies and more lies. Official lies.

I liken the situation on Koh Tao in some respects to the southern provinces of Thailand where they found all the mass graves of the Rohingya. Its a climate of mutual benefit to much of the community that was based around these camps as many benefited financially from this. So it was always successfully kept hidden despite people knowing of the murders and deaths. It took years to uncover the truth. Social media, human rights, local media such as Phuketwan, international media and the US trafficking report to finally get the Thai Authorities to do something about it.

KT relies on its tourism, the expats that live and work there rely on the fact that many of them have no work permits to do the jobs they are doing, some even have no visas. But they are covered by the local officials. The last thing anyone wants there is to ruin the tourist image of a paradise island because it will also ruin their income and way of life. The B2 are easy targets to keep the status quo, EDIT--it back fired however

Edited September 3, 2015 by thailandchilli

[Harry H]

If the hair sample had been tested in a U.K. pathology lab, the results would never have been "inconclusive". Especially when you know they had the root.

I'm not sure how they can use the words inconclusive anyway when they established that it did not belong to either Hannah or David. Thats pretty conclusive right? Now all they need to do is compare it to all suspects past and present in the same way they compared it to the victims, oh wait forgot, its missing.........oooops so an unidentified killer walks free

The inconclusive reference is simple, it's not matched to an individual, but in the realms of your thoughts you could say it is deemed conclusive in regard to the deceased DNA profiles. At this stage there is no need to progress further as alternative evidence exists to bring a case against the two men currently on trial.

I'm pretty sure you'll find the prosecution have finished their case and as yet we are still waiting for this evidence that you allude to. By the way, you say there's no need to progress with the hair comparisons. Your right there as its one of the items that is missing from the prosecution shopping trolley. Its the turn of the defense now.

Lets hope we don't find further evidence of neglect from the investigation because not pursuing such a significant piece of evidence that was in the clutched hand of Hannah is unforgivable and yes my opinion is there is an unidentified killer or killers on the loose.

Thailandchilli, yes it's great you have the dedication to pursue these avenues of thought, but please note comments like 'we don't find further evidence of neglect' cannot be construed as a valid point, given you, or the B2 Brigade are not part of the investigative team and have no input to the outcome of the case. We are all sat on the outside looking in, being fed snippets of information via twitter or other minor news agencies.

[IslandLover]

just the wounds caused by a man wearing a certain ring while he was raping a girl on koh tao long time ago.....

remind you something ?

Looks like road rash from falling off a motorcycle to me.

I think you should put the source of the picture to maintain some sanity to this thread. In all honesty..

Some of us know the source of that picture, and the circumstances behind it, but we can't say it on this forum.

[thailandchilli]

I'm not sure how they can use the words inconclusive anyway when they established that it did not belong to either Hannah or David. Thats pretty conclusive right? Now all they need to do is compare it to all suspects past and present in the same way they compared it to the victims, oh wait forgot, its missing.........oooops so an unidentified killer walks free

The inconclusive reference is simple, it's not matched to an individual, but in the realms of your thoughts you could say it is deemed conclusive in regard to the deceased DNA profiles. At this stage there is no need to progress further as alternative evidence exists to bring a case against the two men currently on trial.

I'm pretty sure you'll find the prosecution have finished their case and as yet we are still waiting for this evidence that you allude to. By the way, you say there's no need to progress with the hair comparisons. Your right there as its one of the items that is missing from the prosecution shopping trolley. Its the turn of the defense now.

Lets hope we don't find further evidence of neglect from the investigation because not pursuing such a significant piece of evidence that was in the clutched hand of Hannah is unforgivable and yes my opinion is there is an unidentified killer or killers on the loose.

Thailandchilli, yes it's great you have the dedication to pursue these avenues of thought, but please note comments like 'we don't find further evidence of neglect' cannot be construed as a valid point, given you, or the B2 Brigade are not part of the investigative team and have no input to the outcome of the case. We are all sat on the outside looking in, being fed snippets of information via twitter or other minor news agencies.

My point of neglect in the way the investigation was carried out is valid. The reports we get are carried not only by twitter, but from from the international media outlets including the BBC report today so not minor news agencies although they also jump on the ban wagon. I personally can't do anything but perhaps others can including the latest international observers in the court room

Edited September 3, 2015 by thailandchilli

[IslandLover]

My memory is not as good as some here.

Please remind me ......

When Sean was hiding in 7-11 with Mon trying to console him with his colleague ......

Sean posted on FB ... 'Owner of AC Bar did it.'

He then carried on with other posts of how his life was in danger etc.

What did he mean when he said 'The owner of the AC Bar did it'?

It is quite a specific comment given the timing of events and his current predicament when he posted.

Seemed like a very pointed comment, which he later backtracked from and said that he reckoned the owner of AC bar KNEW who did it. It has also been interpreted that if Sean was killed, the owner of AC bar did it.

Detractors have said that Mon is not the actual owner of AC bar, so it's therefore all nonsense.

Make your own conclusions from that. Either way, it's all a little fishy and cannot be waved away with statements like: They just wanted to stop him shitslinging, he was paranoid.

Sean also said afterwards that if he (Sean) was found hanged in the bush on KT, he meant "The owner of the AC bar did it".

[mcm991]

If the hair sample had been tested in a U.K. pathology lab, the results would never have been "inconclusive". Especially when you know they had the root.

I'm not sure how they can use the words inconclusive anyway when they established that it did not belong to either Hannah or David. Thats pretty conclusive right? Now all they need to do is compare it to all suspects past and present in the same way they compared it to the victims, oh wait forgot, its missing.........oooops so an unidentified killer walks free

The inconclusive reference is simple, it's not matched to an individual, but in the realms of your thoughts you could say it is deemed conclusive in regard to the deceased DNA profiles. At this stage there is no need to progress further as alternative evidence exists to bring a case against the two men currently on trial.

I'm pretty sure you'll find the prosecution have finished their case and as yet we are still waiting for this evidence that you allude to. By the way, you say there's no need to progress with the hair comparisons. Your right there as its one of the items that is missing from the prosecution shopping trolley. Its the turn of the defense now.

Lets hope we don't find further evidence of neglect from the investigation because not pursuing such a significant piece of evidence that was in the clutched hand of Hannah is unforgivable and yes my opinion is there is an unidentified killer or killers on the loose.

Thailandchilli, yes it's great you have the dedication to pursue these avenues of thought, but please note comments like 'we don't find further evidence of neglect' cannot be construed as a valid point, given you, or the B2 Brigade are not part of the investigative team and have no input to the outcome of the case. We are all sat on the outside looking in, being fed snippets of information via twitter or other minor news agencies.

Don't be so patronizing. It is not an attractive quality especially for a one post wonder.

Unless of course you have multiple identities here which is I'm told against forum rules. Wink wink

[Harry H]

The inconclusive reference is simple, it's not matched to an individual, but in the realms of your thoughts you could say it is deemed conclusive in regard to the deceased DNA profiles. At this stage there is no need to progress further as alternative evidence exists to bring a case against the two men currently on trial.

I'm pretty sure you'll find the prosecution have finished their case and as yet we are still waiting for this evidence that you allude to. By the way, you say there's no need to progress with the hair comparisons. Your right there as its one of the items that is missing from the prosecution shopping trolley. Its the turn of the defense now.

Lets hope we don't find further evidence of neglect from the investigation because not pursuing such a significant piece of evidence that was in the clutched hand of Hannah is unforgivable and yes my opinion is there is an unidentified killer or killers on the loose.

Thailandchilli, yes it's great you have the dedication to pursue these avenues of thought, but please note comments like 'we don't find further evidence of neglect' cannot be construed as a valid point, given you, or the B2 Brigade are not part of the investigative team and have no input to the outcome of the case. We are all sat on the outside looking in, being fed snippets of information via twitter or other minor news agencies.

My point of neglect in the way the investigation was carried out is valid. The reports we get are carried not only by twitter, but from from the international media outlets including the BBC report today so not minor news agencies although they also jump on the ban wagon. I personally can't do anything but perhaps others can including the latest international observers in the court room

Yes, agree international media organisations are reporting, but this is via local or freelance reporters, i think we can agree that the BBC, Sky etc are not physical there, they lack the appetite for this case at the moment, it may change if there is some explosive new evidence presented.

[HughJass]

The police have ruled out a son of Koh Tao village headman as a suspect in the murder of two British tourists after he has evidence to prove he was not on the island at the time the murder occurred.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/police-now-rule-koh-tao-headmans-son-murder-suspect-turn-foreign-tourists-probe

Eighth Region Police Command commissioner Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen identified the first suspect as Mon.

He is the brother of a village headman in Koh Tao.

He was arrested after evidence which police collected were examined and proved he was involved, he said.

He also said another suspect is also a son of that village headman. But he has already to Bangkok.

He said both suspects were captured by CCTV cameras and the police have gathered enough evidence to implicate them in the murders.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/one-tourist-murder-suspect-now-arrested-another-run

[Harry H]

The police have ruled out a son of Koh Tao village headman as a suspect in the murder of two British tourists after he has evidence to prove he was not on the island at the time the murder occurred.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/police-now-rule-koh-tao-headmans-son-murder-suspect-turn-foreign-tourists-probe

Eighth Region Police Command commissioner Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen identified the first suspect as Mon.

He is the brother of a village headman in Koh Tao.

He was arrested after evidence which police collected were examined and proved he was involved, he said.

He also said another suspect is also a son of that village headman. But he has already to Bangkok.

He said both suspects were captured by CCTV cameras and the police have gathered enough evidence to implicate them in the murders.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/one-tourist-murder-suspect-now-arrested-another-run

Point please.... end result stands, he is not a suspect and can freely go about his business, collective pre-construed information adds to the B2 Brigades regurgitation of irrelevant information, but hey.... if the straw hat fits go ahead and conspire.

[Linky]

A timely reminder not to feed trolls

[WhiteTrash]

For me Sean's wounds are defensive wounds like you would find defending yourself or someone around you, look similar to the deceased males head wounds, blood on the guitar and arm wounds could be trying to wade off an attack

[Madaussie]

For me Sean's wounds are defensive wounds like you would find defending yourself or someone around you, look similar to the deceased males head wounds, blood on the guitar and arm wounds could be trying to wade off an attack

Hence sean's comments about how he knew David had tried to save her. Maybe?

I don't think he done it but I think he was there but ran. He is basically a coward. He has run from Scotland after his child porn conviction. He probably ran that night. He ran when tracked down in Milan. He ran from Thailand.

[catsanddogs]

3 September 2015

Koh Tao murders: Zaw Linn details police torture

Testifying in a Koh Samui court on Wednesday, Zaw Linn, one of two Burmese migrants accused of murder and rape, said that he was innocent of the charges, and that he had only signed a confession after being tortured by police.

In a lengthy dialogue, the 22-year-old from Kyauktaw, Arakan State, said he was handcuffed, had a bag placed over his head, and was beaten, before police threatened to extract his teeth with pliers if he did not admit the crimes.

Speaking to DVB on Thursday, Moe Wai of the Foundation for Education and Development, who attended the trial on 2 September, said Zaw Linn had first told the court how he had come to work on the southern Thai island of Koh Tao two years ago.

cont

https://www.dvb.no/news/koh-tao-murders-zaw-linn-details-police-torture-burma-thailand-myanmar/56989

“Asked by his lawyer where the interrogation took place, Zaw Linn said it was at the Ocean View Bungalows in Koh Tao.

Hannah and David both stayed there. Interesting place for the "suspects" to have been taken. I wonder why the police chose this guest house for their interrogations.

Really? Interrogated at the Ocean View? That raises questions then.

[cookee68]

People who seem intent on "baiting" would do well to remember that the B2 are innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around

in a civilized country yes, but we are in Thailand, and some how i do not think that is their motto

[fxe1200]

I still wonder about the Frenchman who managed to commit suicide by hanging himself with his hands tied behind his back.... shortly after the murders.

I recall a couple of our regular local posters here, who shall remain nameless, went to extra ordinary lengths to explain the most unlikely ways this could be accomplished to the point of dark comedy to me.

The effort they went to to insist the suicide was legit immediately set off alarm bells that it probably was not.

But maybe I'm a little jaded by now.

The suicide is suspicious. However, in fairness, the suicide letter looked legit. We will never know.

Who knows, may be he had to write it facing his perpetrators.

[catsanddogs]

https://www.change.org/petition

I'll give it a go then. Thanks fxe.

What are you hoping to achieve with such a petition, believe me it will go nowhere, even if you do actually get it off the ground,, but you need to think through these matters before making such commitments, but good luck.

Thanks for the advice Dad.

[Chetzee]

If it was up to me I would have every man made structure on that Island bulldozed and removed, all the people removed and return it to nature, there is something very evil there, it is out of control and needs cleansed.

no no no you can't do that ! what about the people running dive trips , and the others flying their drones ! ,,,, to say nothing of the filth littering the foreshore getting fat on western hedonism .....

[Nigeone]

Will the Defence call Nomsod to the stand just for a few questions and put him under oath to say where he was on the night of the murders.

Why would they, his whereabouts has been validated, unless you can confirm otherwise

Running Man videos. They show Nomsod. Mon tried to stifle every bit of evidence showing his nephew on the island, but those were a very busy two days and he must have missed the CCTV showing NS, or else he didn't have control of that camera, as he has control (and/or influence with owners) over nearly every other camera in that vicinity. There are likely other proofs of NS being on the island and possibly being involved with the crime, but there are concerted sustained efforts by certain parties to snuff out any proofs. Have you been paying attention?

Good evening, documented proof shows the individual you have named to be in Bangkok, therefore it is logical he cannot be in the CCTV data, As an individual you appear to have an unnatural fascination with the two persons you keep referring to. Fact, they have been cleared by the RTP, fact they are not part of the current court case, fact, the constant deliberate attempt to deflect from the current topic is not helping us members seek a rationale understanding of the case.

Wrong !! Documents show he was in Bangkok but no viable or believable evidence to prove it. Just say so which equally has been challenged and no categorical evidence with back up and witness etc has been produced. As for being cleared by the RTP. Well the same RTP were to have the perfect case and that went well didn't it. I suppose it comes down to what level of evidence you are willing to accept and in your case it's less than minimal but in most people on here we require more than a fabricated statement from the whiter than white !! RTP . Sorry try again. Nothing I have seen or heard makes me convinced that Nomsod could not have been there on Koh Tao that night. Maybe he wasn't but nothing up to now provided is in any way not able to be challenged . Edited September 3, 2015 by Nigeone

[Harry H]

https://www.change.org/petition

I'll give it a go then. Thanks fxe.

What are you hoping to achieve with such a petition, believe me it will go nowhere, even if you do actually get it off the ground,, but you need to think through these matters before making such commitments, but good luck.

Thanks for the advice Dad.

Monitoring your progress...... suspect a non-starter, sounded good and reality hit...keep the topic contributors updated and we will give some input. I will remind you over the weekend, more so to keep this process moving, given the commitment made,

Edited September 3, 2015 by Harry H

[catsanddogs]

I read somewhere that it is possible to "doctor" CCTV videos and that the video taken in the entrance hall and the corridor of a BKK condo block had been "altered" (time, date). I also read that the girlfriend of the young man in question affirmed in her Facebook that he was certainly not in BKK during that weekend.

Is this mere coincidence, or am I imagining stuff that I read?

As mentioned above, a good friend is Thai and works on the island. He has made it quite clear that "normal" Thais who live and work together there know that the little B2 guys are not the brightest or biggest sparks in the bonfire, and that they are fall-guys. The Thais themselves know that the killer is related to the Mr Big and is his son or nephew. But most Thais down there keep mouths shut because the cops or the mafia big guys would get to you first.

This whole case reeks of Thai-ness at its worst. Corrupt, face loss, business interests, paradise island, lies and more lies. Official lies.

Wouldn't dare disagree with you, even if I did, which I don't, having seen your avatar .

[steffi]

What was the time lag between the night of the murders and when Nomsod made himself available? And when was he seen in public before the night of the murders?

[Madaussie]

What was the time lag between the night of the murders and when Nomsod made himself available? And when was he seen in public before the night of the murders?

Weeks.

He also arrived with his new hair cut

[AleG]

Yes, agree international media organisations are reporting, but this is via local or freelance reporters, i think we can agree that the BBC, Sky etc are not physical there, they lack the appetite for this case at the moment, it may change if there is some explosive new evidence presented.

Well, as of late there were some actual explosive events that have shifted the attention elsewhere in Thailand. Besides that, the media can only run the pre-packaged "Burmese accused of murder claim they were tortured and the case is a shambles" story so many times before reader's eyes gloss over and look elsewhere.

Edited September 3, 2015 by AleG

[Gweiloman]

Is it just me or is there any increased level of aggression among the shills ever since the defence's case started? The baits and flames are coming out in full force. There is no way that any logical and objective person can say that the prosecution has proved their case beyond any reasonable doubt. In fact, their perfect have flamed the fires of doubt every greater.

And yet, there is a contingent of about 4-5 posters who take great pain to put down logical and sensible posts. The only conclusion I can draw is that they are all out to get as many posters suspended/banned as possible with their biased and disgusting posts, knowing full well that sensible posters struggle to deal with BS and misdirections and are compelled to respond to set the record straight.

[CharlieH]

Warnings have been issued before, it seems some have ignored them and are now enjoying a holiday, as will anyone else, who chooses to post about other members and not the actual topic.

7) You will respect fellow members and post in a civil manner. No personal attacks, hateful or insulting towards other members, (flaming) Stalking of members on either the forum or via PM will not be allowed.

8) You will not post disruptive or inflammatory messages, vulgarities, obscenities or profanities.

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FINAL WARNING

No further warning will be issued, if you find your ability to post removed, you know why.

[Nigeone]

Is it just me or is there any increased level of aggression among the shills ever since the defence's case started? The baits and flames are coming out in full force. There is no way that any logical and objective person can say that the prosecution has proved their case beyond any reasonable doubt. In fact, their perfect have flamed the fires of doubt every greater.

And yet, there is a contingent of about 4-5 posters who take great pain to put down logical and sensible posts. The only conclusion I can draw is that they are all out to get as many posters suspended/banned as possible with their biased and disgusting posts, knowing full well that sensible posters struggle to deal with BS and misdirections and are compelled to respond to set the record straight.

The prosecution didn't prove anything in the many days they had at there disposal except they had no case. The B2 might still be deemed guilty but that will be down to the judge or factors outside the scope of the court. I notice when I listed the failures in a list of every possible factors requiring proof of the B2 being guilty the usual suspects didn't respond. They couldn't as the prosecution didn't provide one single scrap of evidence showing remotely any guilt. When someone gets desperate they respond in strange ways. Your right they are getting more aggressive but thats because of desperation to justify there stance. But they lost that argument weeks ago. They trying to save face but not very successfully .

Edited September 3, 2015 by Nigeone

[Rykbanlor]

Two things on my mind having read the horrific reports of Zaw Lin's 'alleged' torture -

1. Makes me ponder on whether any police could have been involved with the murders of Hannah and David in light of their barbaric acts on the B2.

2. Helps me to understand why any potential witnesses to the crime are too scared to come forward.

At this rate everyone in South East Asia will have been involved in this cover up... item 1 is the most bizarre one yet...but good luck with your thoughts

One of the two men who chased Sean into the 7-11 early September 23 was a policeman friend of Mon's. Many of us (myself included) believe there is an island mafia, of which the local police are a key constituent part. Calling something bizarre does not make it so. That is not to say police involvement (in the murders) is proven. What is without doubt is that the "investigation" would not be recognizable as such by a 1st world country professional. Was this just gross incompetence, or partly an attempt to deflect blame from the real perpetrators? Take you pick. I believe the latter.

BritTim, thanks for the response, you actually seem to be quite open to all options and your posts suggest this. I for one do not believe, or more importantly know, that no Mafia exists, this is a thought which for some reason has got embedded into the B2 Brigades train of thought, it's somewhat a desire to feel such a presence exists. I agree the whole investigation could have been performed much better, the problem is the RTP cannot help themselves in releasing information, that's a fact we all recognise. At this stage many cannot let go and be flexible in their thoughts, end of the day we don't know what happened, but we are all free to express our thoughts.

If I may say, respectfully Harry H, you know for a fact that no mafia exists on Koh Tao? Thats an odd statement, but you are welcome to your opinion.

[Gweiloman]

Response i expected, yes there is viable evidence he was is in Bangkok, you seen it, i seen it, the B2 Brigade seen it. I will give you a 24hr Challenge, show me he was not in Bangkok.... i will monitor your progress and remind you. Prediction, you will deflect the challenge, you will run scared and post some illogical words to substantiate why you cannot do this.. clock is ticking

Oh Dear Harry O... I don't need to show you anything. Your clever but I'm better... I don't need to show you or anybody anything as anything that is available to produced is hearsay or possibly fabricated. You show me any evidence that couldn't be challenged and I'll listen.. And will throw it back at you. My clock is ticking on you. Your time is running out in so many ways. And don't bother getting back to me as I won't reply. I'll watch you though as I have been doing and your responses are getting desperate aren't they ! And just for the last time read my post again instead of running off one of your rehearsed answers. Your challenge should you wish to accept. Show me any !! evidence that can't be challenged !! Good luck with that one. And as I said I won't be feeding you be sure of that. I value the input from the upstanding members in here more than I would ever do yours.

Let's see.

There was CCTV footage earlier which, while not clear enough to be completely verified and substantiated, led one of the TOP Police investigators in the country to publicly proclaim that it was NS. However, possibly due to the draconian defamation laws of Thailand, this top police had to withdraw his statement. But hang on, he didn't actually withdraw his statement. All he did was say that there was "evidence" to prove that NS was in Bkk on the morning of the murders. He never actually said that he was mistaken in identifying the suspect in the first instance.

So what does the "evidence" actually proof? That NS was seen walking out of his apartment sometime after 9 am? This merely proves (assuming the cctv footage was not doctored) that he was walking out of his apartment sometime after 9 am. It does not prove that he was not on KT at say, 2 am earlier that day. It is not beyond the realms of possibility to travel from KT to Bkk in 5 hours or so, maybe less.

All this is old news to those of us that has been following the thread. But some newbies who has only recently joined TV might not be quite up to speed yet

[smokie36]

Is it just me or is there any increased level of aggression among the shills ever since the defence's case started? The baits and flames are coming out in full force. There is no way that any logical and objective person can say that the prosecution has proved their case beyond any reasonable doubt. In fact, their perfect have flamed the fires of doubt every greater.

And yet, there is a contingent of about 4-5 posters who take great pain to put down logical and sensible posts. The only conclusion I can draw is that they are all out to get as many posters suspended/banned as possible with their biased and disgusting posts, knowing full well that sensible posters struggle to deal with BS and misdirections and are compelled to respond to set the record straight.

The onus is on the prosecution to prove the Burmese committed the crime.

They have failed to provide much of a case for the defence to pick holes in...but they have made a good start.

A bit like firing catapult shots at a string vest.

[balo]

Response i expected, yes there is viable evidence he was is in Bangkok, you seen it, i seen it, the B2 Brigade seen it. I will give you a 24hr Challenge, show me he was not in Bangkok.... i will monitor your progress and remind you. Prediction, you will deflect the challenge, you will run scared and post some illogical words to substantiate why you cannot do this.. clock is ticking

Oh Dear Harry O... I don't need to show you anything. Your clever but I'm better... I don't need to show you or anybody anything as anything that is available to produced is hearsay or possibly fabricated. You show me any evidence that couldn't be challenged and I'll listen.. And will throw it back at you. My clock is ticking on you. Your time is running out in so many ways. And don't bother getting back to me as I won't reply. I'll watch you though as I have been doing and your responses are getting desperate aren't they ! And just for the last time read my post again instead of running off one of your rehearsed answers. Your challenge should you wish to accept. Show me any !! evidence that can't be challenged !! Good luck with that one. And as I said I won't be feeding you be sure of that. I value the input from the upstanding members in here more than I would ever do yours.

Let's see.

There was CCTV footage earlier which, while not clear enough to be completely verified and substantiated, led one of the TOP Police investigators in the country to publicly proclaim that it was NS. However, possibly due to the draconian defamation laws of Thailand, this top police had to withdraw his statement. But hang on, he didn't actually withdraw his statement. All he did was say that there was "evidence" to prove that NS was in Bkk on the morning of the murders. He never actually said that he was mistaken in identifying the suspect in the first instance.

So what does the "evidence" actually proof? That NS was seen walking out of his apartment sometime after 9 am? This merely proves (assuming the cctv footage was not doctored) that he was walking out of his apartment sometime after 9 am. It does not prove that he was not on KT at say, 2 am earlier that day. It is not beyond the realms of possibility to travel from KT to Bkk in 5 hours or so, maybe less.

All this is old news to those of us that has been following the thread. But some newbies who has only recently joined TV might not be quite up to speed yet

I agree in your sentence :" it is not beyond the realms of possibility to travel from KT to BKK in 5 hours or so" . But still to this day , we have no observations of him on KT that night, except for the "running man video" which could really be another asian guy.

I have been a defender of Nomsod on this forum, . I believe he was in Bangkok within that time frame , but I am willing to accept that he had time to get to KT , still I look at it as a weak theory and I would give it 10-20% chance that he was there that night based on no observations of him there at all .

But if KT is run by a mafia family that controls everything, they could wipe out all the CCTVs and ask everyone who was on the beach or in the bars there that night to shut their mouth but I do not believe in that theory either.

So that's my personal opinion and Its ok that the majority of the posters here disagree with it.