Clinton lawyer says her email server was wiped clean

[Publicus]

Clinton email controversy is no joke: Our view Presidential candidate can laugh all she wants, but FBI investigations can't be dismissed.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/08/23/hillary-clinton-email-server-fbi-editorials-debates/31992283/

Judge Orders State Department to Get FBI Findings on Clinton E-Mails

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/hillary-clinton/judge-orders-state-department-get-fbi-findings-clinton-e-mails-n413346

From the USA Today editorial linked in the post....

Clinton, though, seems to think she can dismiss the controversy by making light of it.

The laws about handling classified material are complex, and way too much information is classified in the first place. It's entirely possible that Clinton didn't do anything illegal. Even so, presidential candidates should be held to a higher standard.

The newspaper editorial speaks of a "controversy" and of a "higher standard." The editorial does not claim or assert any illegal action, nor does it claim there is an FBI investigation of HRC. Nor does it claim any criminal charges or any criminal investigation of a person or persons, namely HRC. A higher standard can be argued, the rest to include a controversy existing cannot be disputed or misrepresented.

There is also this at USA Today.....

GOP's Clinton email indictment fantasy Republicans just wasting time, losing votes with illegitimate, partisan mudslinging.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/08/21/clinton-email-state-server-column/32042775/

We'd never read anything like this in the highly financed entirely partisan rightwing mass of daily media because the rightwing media have their own one-sided political agenda, which is to prevail in the 2016 election over HRC and the Democratic party by any means necessary.

[canman]

As former US Attorney General Michael Mukasey said:

"The FBI does not investigate machines. It investigates people, and to say she is not one of the people being investigated is ridiculous."

Michael Mukasey was the AG who told Congress that since the Bush-Cheney Justice Department had declared waterboarding to be legal, it could not investigate waterboarding which Mulkasey anyway said was a good idea despite it being prohibited in US law and in all of the international conventions.

The FBI said it is not investigating anyone in respect of the emails, and that there is no criminal investigation occurring. FBI is assisting the intelligence community and DepState in examining and analysing criteria and protocols used by DepState intelligence officers to determine classifications. That is it.

The Right that worships Dick Cheney is determined to build, nay, create and manufacture, a case against HRC when a case does not exist. More than determined....fiercely set on it, and the Right that is directing the Republican party is of course and as always wrong, wrong, wrong again and again. They don't quit cause the don't know how to quit or why they need to quit.

The FBI has said maybe a hundred times now it is not investigating HRC and that no criminal investigation is underway or being contemplated. Yet the Right and the Republicans go on and on and on about it in their highly financed rightwing mass of daily media that has one single political agenda, which is to prevail in the election by hook or by crook.

It's Monday so it's meet the new line of crap day. Tomorrow will be Tuesday so it will be meet the next new line of crap day. Et cetera et cetera goes the right.....

When all else fails, blame Bush...

Yep, you know they know they are in trouble when that old line is still being trotted out. Talk about beating a dead horse in a pant suit! She's a goner!

[gudtymchuk]

Geez, looks like the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy thingy is working...

Vice President Joe Biden, who has long been considering a presidential bid, is increasingly leaning toward entering the race if it is still possible he can knit together a competitive campaign at this late date, people familiar with the matter said.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/joe-biden-is-leaning-toward-a-2016-run-1440373384

Run Joe, Run! You too Bernie and Liz!

[lostoday]

Clinton email controversy is no joke: Our view Presidential candidate can laugh all she wants, but FBI investigations can't be dismissed.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/08/23/hillary-clinton-email-server-fbi-editorials-debates/31992283/

Judge Orders State Department to Get FBI Findings on Clinton E-Mails

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/hillary-clinton/judge-orders-state-department-get-fbi-findings-clinton-e-mails-n413346

From the USA Today editorial linked in the post....

Clinton, though, seems to think she can dismiss the controversy by making light of it.

The laws about handling classified material are complex, and way too much information is classified in the first place. It's entirely possible that Clinton didn't do anything illegal. Even so, presidential candidates should be held to a higher standard.

The newspaper editorial speaks of a "controversy" and of a "higher standard." The editorial does not claim or assert any illegal action, nor does it claim there is an FBI investigation of HRC. Nor does it claim any criminal charges or any criminal investigation of a person or persons, namely HRC. A higher standard can be argued, the rest to include a controversy existing cannot be disputed or misrepresented.

There is also this at USA Today.....

GOP's Clinton email indictment fantasyRepublicans just wasting time, losing votes with illegitimate, partisan mudslinging.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/08/21/clinton-email-state-server-column/32042775/

We'd never read anything like this in the highly financed entirely partisan rightwing mass of daily media because the rightwing media have their own one-sided political agenda, which is to prevail in the 2016 election over HRC and the Democratic party by any means necessary.

Search Results

Why the FBI Is Investigating Hilary Clinton's Private E-Mail ...

www.esquire.com/news.../fbi-hilary-clinton-private-e-mail-investigation/

Aug 5, 2015 - Hilary Clinton is under fire from the FBI over her e-mail "scandal. ... and would be doing so if HRC had volunteered to take an MRI in the well of ...

FBI Is Looking at Security of Hillary Clinton's Email System ...

www.wsj.com/.../fbi-is-looking-at-security-of-hillary-clintons-email-system...

Aug 5, 2015 - The FBI is examining security issues surrounding the private email system Hillary ... It is not Hillary's system that is being investigated ... it is the State ... Similarly, for an intelligence agent who might view HRC's email - they ...

The Countless Crimes of Hillary Clinton: Special Prosecutor ...

observer.com/.../the-countless-crimes-of-hillary-clinton-special-prosecut...

Aug 13, 2015 - While the FBI and Department of Justice have willfully ignored Hillary Clinton's outrageous conduct, they didn't hesitate a minute to investigate ...

It goes on forever. The FBI is investigating HRC. To hold any other view is contrary to the facts.

Edited August 24, 2015 by lostoday

[Publicus]

Geez, looks like the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy thingy is working...

Vice President Joe Biden, who has long been considering a presidential bid, is increasingly leaning toward entering the race if it is still possible he can knit together a competitive campaign at this late date, people familiar with the matter said.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/joe-biden-is-leaning-toward-a-2016-run-1440373384

Run Joe, Run! You too Bernie and Liz!

Joe wants to be Hillary's vp

[Publicus]

Clinton email controversy is no joke: Our view Presidential candidate can laugh all she wants, but FBI investigations can't be dismissed.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/08/23/hillary-clinton-email-server-fbi-editorials-debates/31992283/

Judge Orders State Department to Get FBI Findings on Clinton E-Mails

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/hillary-clinton/judge-orders-state-department-get-fbi-findings-clinton-e-mails-n413346

From the USA Today editorial linked in the post....

Clinton, though, seems to think she can dismiss the controversy by making light of it.

The laws about handling classified material are complex, and way too much information is classified in the first place. It's entirely possible that Clinton didn't do anything illegal. Even so, presidential candidates should be held to a higher standard.

The newspaper editorial speaks of a "controversy" and of a "higher standard." The editorial does not claim or assert any illegal action, nor does it claim there is an FBI investigation of HRC. Nor does it claim any criminal charges or any criminal investigation of a person or persons, namely HRC. A higher standard can be argued, the rest to include a controversy existing cannot be disputed or misrepresented.

There is also this at USA Today.....

GOP's Clinton email indictment fantasyRepublicans just wasting time, losing votes with illegitimate, partisan mudslinging.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/08/21/clinton-email-state-server-column/32042775/

We'd never read anything like this in the highly financed entirely partisan rightwing mass of daily media because the rightwing media have their own one-sided political agenda, which is to prevail in the 2016 election over HRC and the Democratic party by any means necessary.

Search Results

Why the FBI Is Investigating Hilary Clinton's Private E-Mail ...

www.esquire.com/news.../fbi-hilary-clinton-private-e-mail-investigation/

Aug 5, 2015 - Hilary Clinton is under fire from the FBI over her e-mail "scandal. ... and would be doing so if HRC had volunteered to take an MRI in the well of ...

FBI Is Looking at Security of Hillary Clinton's Email System ...

www.wsj.com/.../fbi-is-looking-at-security-of-hillary-clintons-email-system...

Aug 5, 2015 - The FBI is examining security issues surrounding the private email system Hillary ... It is not Hillary's system that is being investigated ... it is the State ... Similarly, for an intelligence agent who might view HRC's email - they ...

The Countless Crimes of Hillary Clinton: Special Prosecutor ...

observer.com/.../the-countless-crimes-of-hillary-clinton-special-prosecut...

Aug 13, 2015 - While the FBI and Department of Justice have willfully ignored Hillary Clinton's outrageous conduct, they didn't hesitate a minute to investigate ...

It goes on forever. The FBI is investigating HRC. To hold any other view is contrary to the facts.

Yes, it does go on forever...."the countless crimes of Hillary Clinton." Yes, it does go on. Yes, forever.

All of this comes from the right and the Republican party. None of it from the FBI, DoJ, the IG, DepState or others. The language and the charges are in the mass of hard core political media only. It is their rhetoric and it is the opposite of mainstream fact.

The right declares it to be so. And so it shall be way over there at the political and cultural margin. They won't have it any other way. Nor could they. They're going to do whatever it takes to prevail in the election, which means to try to draw us in to their concocted reality. That's what the extreme marginals need more than anything else. To incorporate us in to their false and fabricated reality. They know if they cannot do that, they cannot prevail in the election.

[55Jay]

The FBI has stated there is no target of its activity, which means no person is being examined.

http://www.readingrockets.org/article/using-think-alouds-improve-reading-comprehension

The following are more yet of ad hominem pronouncements and OTT attacks, counselor, which are at the core of your posts directed to me.....

Holy cow. Very difficult to figure out if your a really dumb or just really blinded by your passion.

One would never know if the FBI is investigating, but some how you do without any equivocation . . . and all the way from Thailand at that.

Here you are either really dense, obstinate or just dishonest.

It is apparent counselor some Ozark law schools do not teach their charges how to make an argument.

A spokesman for Platte River Networks, the company which handled Hillary Clinton’s email server after she left the State Department, says the company turned the server over last week at the FBI’s request.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/20/platte-river-networks-fbi-asked-us-to-turn-over-hillary-clinton-email-server/

The FBI is not investigating Hillary Clinton for anything. No person is being investigated by the FBI. There is no 'target' (person) involved in the FBI activity to date.

The repeated innuendo from the marginal right not withstanding.

What is it with you and the boogey man on "the right"? Often enjoyed reading and identifying with your posts and the motto of defending us from the far right, but man, I gotta tell you that you're starting to sound a bit like Dustin Hoffman's Rainman. Please take this as friendly, constructive criticism if you can. If you can't, I'll understand.

Pub,

My apologies, I've got no right moderating your opinion and my comment was out of line. /tips hat.

Cheers,

J

[lostoday]

Yes, it does go on forever...."the countless crimes of Hillary Clinton." Yes, it does go on. Yes, forever.

All of this comes from the right and the Republican party. None of it from the FBI, DoJ, the IG, DepState or others. The language and the charges are in the mass of hard core political media only. It is their rhetoric and it is the opposite of mainstream fact.

The right declares it to be so. And so it shall be way over there at the political and cultural margin. They won't have it any other way. Nor could they. They're going to do whatever it takes to prevail in the election, which means to try to draw us in to their concocted reality. That's what the extreme marginals need more than anything else. To incorporate us in to their false and fabricated reality. They know if they cannot do that, they cannot prevail in the election.

Sources tell the New York Post that the FBI investigation into the Clinton email servers is a criminal one. The federal agency is investigating whether Hillary Clinton used her homebrewed email server to send classified information and to store classified documents, according to a source with knowledge of the investigation.

"It's definitely a criminal probe," said the source. "I’m not sure why they’re not calling it a criminal probe."

"The DOJ [Department of Justice] and FBI can conduct civil investigations in very limited circumstances," but that’s not what this is, the source stressed. "In this case, a security violation would lead to criminal charges. Maybe DOJ is trying to protect her campaign.

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/source-fbi-clinton-email-investigation-criminal

[Publicus]

Yes, it does go on forever...."the countless crimes of Hillary Clinton." Yes, it does go on. Yes, forever.

All of this comes from the right and the Republican party. None of it from the FBI, DoJ, the IG, DepState or others. The language and the charges are in the mass of hard core political media only. It is their rhetoric and it is the opposite of mainstream fact.

The right declares it to be so. And so it shall be way over there at the political and cultural margin. They won't have it any other way. Nor could they. They're going to do whatever it takes to prevail in the election, which means to try to draw us in to their concocted reality. That's what the extreme marginals need more than anything else. To incorporate us in to their false and fabricated reality. They know if they cannot do that, they cannot prevail in the election.

Sources tell the New York Post that the FBI investigation into the Clinton email servers is a criminal one. The federal agency is investigating whether Hillary Clinton used her homebrewed email server to send classified information and to store classified documents, according to a source with knowledge of the investigation.

"It's definitely a criminal probe," said the source. "I’m not sure why they’re not calling it a criminal probe."

"The DOJ [Department of Justice] and FBI can conduct civil investigations in very limited circumstances," but that’s not what this is, the source stressed. "In this case, a security violation would lead to criminal charges. Maybe DOJ is trying to protect her campaign.

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/source-fbi-clinton-email-investigation-criminal

Sources tell the New York Post

The New York Post is owned by Robert Murdoch who in 1976 bought a widely respected politically liberal news journal to transmogrify it in to a right wing rag.

The date of the linked article is August 6, 2015 so the story is as old as the false allegations are old. The post thereby nukes itself.

The links in the post to the New York Post and to the other well funded rightwing extremist rag Truth Revolt are superseded by the facts as corrected by DoJ and the MSM. The facts are that no person is being investigated and no criminal charges are being pursued by the FBI.

Do try to keep up plse thx, otherwise it might look like feeble and pathetic attempts to run garbage past people who know better than to buy in to it.

[Publicus]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/20/platte-river-networks-fbi-asked-us-to-turn-over-hillary-clinton-email-server/

A spokesman for Platte River Networks, the company which handled Hillary Clinton’s email server after she left the State Department, says the company turned the server over last week at the FBI’s request.

The FBI is not investigating Hillary Clinton for anything. No person is being investigated by the FBI. There is no 'target' (person) involved in the FBI activity to date.

The repeated innuendo from the marginal right not withstanding.

What is it with you and the boogey man on "the right"? Often enjoyed reading and identifying with your posts and the motto of defending us from the far right, but man, I gotta tell you that you're starting to sound a bit like Dustin Hoffman's Rainman. Please take this as friendly, constructive criticism if you can. If you can't, I'll understand.

Pub,

My apologies, I've got no right moderating your opinion and my comment was out of line. /tips hat.

Cheers,

J

The commentary in the post was genuine and open so there's no problem and I appreciate the input thanks. I long ago got tired of writing 'rightwing lunar orbiters blurp blah blurp' long ago...it's just that that is what they are, and there are so many of 'em.

[lostoday]

Yes, it does go on forever...."the countless crimes of Hillary Clinton." Yes, it does go on. Yes, forever.

All of this comes from the right and the Republican party. None of it from the FBI, DoJ, the IG, DepState or others. The language and the charges are in the mass of hard core political media only. It is their rhetoric and it is the opposite of mainstream fact.

The right declares it to be so. And so it shall be way over there at the political and cultural margin. They won't have it any other way. Nor could they. They're going to do whatever it takes to prevail in the election, which means to try to draw us in to their concocted reality. That's what the extreme marginals need more than anything else. To incorporate us in to their false and fabricated reality. They know if they cannot do that, they cannot prevail in the election.

Sources tell the New York Post that the FBI investigation into the Clinton email servers is a criminal one. The federal agency is investigating whether Hillary Clinton used her homebrewed email server to send classified information and to store classified documents, according to a source with knowledge of the investigation.

"It's definitely a criminal probe," said the source. "I’m not sure why they’re not calling it a criminal probe."

"The DOJ [Department of Justice] and FBI can conduct civil investigations in very limited circumstances," but that’s not what this is, the source stressed. "In this case, a security violation would lead to criminal charges. Maybe DOJ is trying to protect her campaign.

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/source-fbi-clinton-email-investigation-criminal

Sources tell the New York Post

The New York Post is owned by Robert Murdoch who in 1976 bought a widely respected politically liberal news journal to transmogrify it in to a right wing rag.

The date of the linked article is August 6, 2015 so the story is as old as the false allegations are old. The post thereby nukes itself.

The links in the post to the New York Post and to the other well funded rightwing extremist rag Truth Revolt are superseded by the facts as corrected by DoJ and the MSM. The facts are that no person is being investigated and no criminal charges are being pursued by the FBI.

Do try to keep up plse thx, otherwise it might look like feeble and pathetic attempts to run garbage past people who know better than to buy in to it.

You wrote, "Do try to keep up" is a sanctimonious flame and I shall not respond. You wrote, "pathetic attempts to run garbage past people" another flame "7) You will respect fellow members and post in a civil manner. No personal attacks, hateful or insulting towards other members, (flaming) Stalking of members on either the forum or via PM will not be allowed." I will not respond.

You are trying to destroy a conversation by flaming because your arguments are so weak and outlandish. It is too bad that you can't have a civil conversation without being insulting.

I will no longer respond to you and suggest to others so flamed and insulted that they do the same thing.

[Publicus]

As former US Attorney General Michael Mukasey said:

"The FBI does not investigate machines. It investigates people, and to say she is not one of the people being investigated is ridiculous."

Michael Mukasey was the AG who told Congress that since the Bush-Cheney Justice Department had declared waterboarding to be legal, it could not investigate waterboarding which Mulkasey anyway said was a good idea despite it being prohibited in US law and in all of the international conventions.

The FBI said it is not investigating anyone in respect of the emails, and that there is no criminal investigation occurring. FBI is assisting the intelligence community and DepState in examining and analysing criteria and protocols used by DepState intelligence officers to determine classifications. That is it.

The Right that worships Dick Cheney is determined to build, nay, create and manufacture, a case against HRC when a case does not exist. More than determined....fiercely set on it, and the Right that is directing the Republican party is of course and as always wrong, wrong, wrong again and again. They don't quit cause the don't know how to quit or why they need to quit.

The FBI has said maybe a hundred times now it is not investigating HRC and that no criminal investigation is underway or being contemplated. Yet the Right and the Republicans go on and on and on about it in their highly financed rightwing mass of daily media that has one single political agenda, which is to prevail in the election by hook or by crook.

It's Monday so it's meet the new line of crap day. Tomorrow will be Tuesday so it will be meet the next new line of crap day. Et cetera et cetera goes the right.....

When all else fails, blame Bush...

The poster introduced Michael Mulkasey to the thread and topic. Mulkasey was Attorney General of the US during the Bush-Cheney administration. Mulkasey was AG from 2007 to 2008 so he has lots of baggage from defending them. The poster did not point out these relevant facts so I went ahead to do it myself.

Bush-Cheney yes, that would be them. The three of 'em. Four counting the poster. Five actually.

[chuckd]

Yes, it does go on forever...."the countless crimes of Hillary Clinton." Yes, it does go on. Yes, forever.

All of this comes from the right and the Republican party. None of it from the FBI, DoJ, the IG, DepState or others. The language and the charges are in the mass of hard core political media only. It is their rhetoric and it is the opposite of mainstream fact.

The right declares it to be so. And so it shall be way over there at the political and cultural margin. They won't have it any other way. Nor could they. They're going to do whatever it takes to prevail in the election, which means to try to draw us in to their concocted reality. That's what the extreme marginals need more than anything else. To incorporate us in to their false and fabricated reality. They know if they cannot do that, they cannot prevail in the election.

Sources tell the New York Post that the FBI investigation into the Clinton email servers is a criminal one. The federal agency is investigating whether Hillary Clinton used her homebrewed email server to send classified information and to store classified documents, according to a source with knowledge of the investigation.

"It's definitely a criminal probe," said the source. "I’m not sure why they’re not calling it a criminal probe."

"The DOJ [Department of Justice] and FBI can conduct civil investigations in very limited circumstances," but that’s not what this is, the source stressed. "In this case, a security violation would lead to criminal charges. Maybe DOJ is trying to protect her campaign.

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/source-fbi-clinton-email-investigation-criminal

Sources tell the New York Post

The New York Post is owned by Robert Murdoch who in 1976 bought a widely respected politically liberal news journal to transmogrify it in to a right wing rag.

The date of the linked article is August 6, 2015 so the story is as old as the false allegations are old. The post thereby nukes itself.

The links in the post to the New York Post and to the other well funded rightwing extremist rag Truth Revolt are superseded by the facts as corrected by DoJ and the MSM. The facts are that no person is being investigated and no criminal charges are being pursued by the FBI.

Do try to keep up plse thx, otherwise it might look like feeble and pathetic attempts to run garbage past people who know better than to buy in to it.

You wrote, "Do try to keep up" is a sanctimonious flame and I shall not respond. You wrote, "pathetic attempts to run garbage past people" another flame "7) You will respect fellow members and post in a civil manner. No personal attacks, hateful or insulting towards other members, (flaming) Stalking of members on either the forum or via PM will not be allowed." I will not respond.

You are trying to destroy a conversation by flaming because your arguments are so weak and outlandish. It is too bad that you can't have a civil conversation without being insulting.

I will no longer respond to you and suggest to others so flamed and insulted that they do the same thing.

Put him on "ignore". That's what I did.

[lostoday]

You wrote, "Do try to keep up" is a sanctimonious flame and I shall not respond. You wrote, "pathetic attempts to run garbage past people" another flame "7) You will respect fellow members and post in a civil manner. No personal attacks, hateful or insulting towards other members, (flaming) Stalking of members on either the forum or via PM will not be allowed." I will not respond.

You are trying to destroy a conversation by flaming because your arguments are so weak and outlandish. It is too bad that you can't have a civil conversation without being insulting.

I will no longer respond to you and suggest to others so flamed and insulted that they do the same thing.

Put him on "ignore". That's what I did.

Done

[gudtymchuk]

In all seriousness some are really taking all this political hocus pocus way to serious.... Sniping lunacy by one on the left, along with his followers who want to protect their girl vs the mean spirited right wing conspiracy who, by hook or by crook, want Shrill Hill taken down. It's all quibbling Semantics as, more than likely, the Clinton dynasty queen, guilty or not, will walk. Slick Willy did and there is no reason to believe Hillary won't. They are not the first nor will they be the last. The rich and the politically powerful are above the law.

We have a megalomaniac on the right, a pant suited trojan horse on the left who are obsessed with power. They will say and do what ever is necessary to stay on top. It might be a good time to stop being 'red meat' for the other side whatever your particular ideology might be.

Disclaimer: I freely condone and support the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy project.....

[Boon Mee]

As former US Attorney General Michael Mukasey said:

"The FBI does not investigate machines. It investigates people, and to say she is not one of the people being investigated is ridiculous."

Obviously the fix is in.

Worse really than when the Chicago Machine gave the election to JFK vs Richard Nixon.

[Boon Mee]

The commentary in the post was genuine and open so there's no problem and I appreciate the input thanks. I long ago got tired of writing 'rightwing lunar orbiters blurp blah blurp' long ago...it's just that that is what they are, and there are so many of 'em.

You want to translate that into English for us poor plebes who don't have the advantage of your iinsight?

There's a good lad!

[Usernames]

Wherever there is a Clinton, there is corruption.

[Jingthing]

She may be able to weather her legal issues and even get elected, but do the American people really want another presidency plagued by legal challenges? Her troubles remind the public of how Bill Clinton's presidency was crippled by such things ... and thus I don't think she will make it in the fist place, even to the nomination. Also her paranoid demeanor reminds older Americans of NIXON. Even worse.

All of this may not be fair ... but welcome to politics. Who ever said it was supposed to be FAIR?

Edited August 24, 2015 by Jingthing

[gudtymchuk]

Headline: Democrats Need Joe Biden in the White House Race

http://nypost.com/2015/08/23/democrats-need-joe-biden-in-the-white-house-race/

Yes, the Savior of the Democratic Party. A 74 year old brain fade....

Joe Biden says he’ll decide on a presidential run next month. His party needs him.

It’s not just the way the daily drip, drip, drip over Hillary Clinton’s e-mails leaves doubt she can stay in the race — it’s also her poor performance. How many politicians botch two campaign launches and alienate the press corps a year before Election Day?

The throngs screaming for Bernie Sanders are another sign of Clinton’s weakness — but no party regular sees the elderly socialist as a credible candidate for the general. Nor will the other options — Martin O’Malley, Jim Webb — ever catch on.

And the debates among this crew will be just painful. They certainly won’t get Clinton in shape for confronting the Republicans.

[Chicog]

She may be able to weather her legal issues and even get elected, but do the American people really want another presidency plagued by legal challenges?

To be honest, as long as the Republicans control the house, she'll have the same problems as Obama. They'll be withholding things like the immigration bill, refusing to approve ambassadors and judges and generally being the party of obstruction.

But at least having her in the House will stop them handing over the keys to their corporate crook and bankster paymasters again.

[Jingthing]

Yes, the New York Post is correct. Surprising as it is, this is the time for JOE!

Not only is writing on the wall, the wall (which apparently the Mexicans will pay to build ) is screaming from the rafters.

It out after Joe enters, it does put Obama in an awkward position though.

Biden, he does do the gaffes, but they're usually funny, and they add to the man's charm as a populist EVERYMAN.

Also of course as the NYP asserts IF Hillary makes it through the great wall of JOE, she'll emerge a much sharper stronger candidate against the republican.

Edited August 24, 2015 by Jingthing

[Publicus]

Yes, it does go on forever...."the countless crimes of Hillary Clinton." Yes, it does go on. Yes, forever.

All of this comes from the right and the Republican party. None of it from the FBI, DoJ, the IG, DepState or others. The language and the charges are in the mass of hard core political media only. It is their rhetoric and it is the opposite of mainstream fact.

The right declares it to be so. And so it shall be way over there at the political and cultural margin. They won't have it any other way. Nor could they. They're going to do whatever it takes to prevail in the election, which means to try to draw us in to their concocted reality. That's what the extreme marginals need more than anything else. To incorporate us in to their false and fabricated reality. They know if they cannot do that, they cannot prevail in the election.

Sources tell the New York Post that the FBI investigation into the Clinton email servers is a criminal one. The federal agency is investigating whether Hillary Clinton used her homebrewed email server to send classified information and to store classified documents, according to a source with knowledge of the investigation.

"It's definitely a criminal probe," said the source. "I’m not sure why they’re not calling it a criminal probe."

"The DOJ [Department of Justice] and FBI can conduct civil investigations in very limited circumstances," but that’s not what this is, the source stressed. "In this case, a security violation would lead to criminal charges. Maybe DOJ is trying to protect her campaign.

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/source-fbi-clinton-email-investigation-criminal

Sources tell the New York Post

The New York Post is owned by Robert Murdoch who in 1976 bought a widely respected politically liberal news journal to transmogrify it in to a right wing rag.

The date of the linked article is August 6, 2015 so the story is as old as the false allegations are old. The post thereby nukes itself.

The links in the post to the New York Post and to the other well funded rightwing extremist rag Truth Revolt are superseded by the facts as corrected by DoJ and the MSM. The facts are that no person is being investigated and no criminal charges are being pursued by the FBI.

Do try to keep up plse thx, otherwise it might look like feeble and pathetic attempts to run garbage past people who know better than to buy in to it.

You wrote, "Do try to keep up" is a sanctimonious flame and I shall not respond. You wrote, "pathetic attempts to run garbage past people" another flame "7) You will respect fellow members and post in a civil manner. No personal attacks, hateful or insulting towards other members, (flaming) Stalking of members on either the forum or via PM will not be allowed." I will not respond.

You are trying to destroy a conversation by flaming because your arguments are so weak and outlandish. It is too bad that you can't have a civil conversation without being insulting.

I will no longer respond to you and suggest to others so flamed and insulted that they do the same thing.

Stalking of members on either the forum or via PM will not be allowed."

Most everything in the post is standard stuff so there's no reason for me to have any issues with most of the recitation. I do contest the statement I quote because there is a direct implication involved and because I have done neither stalking nor even a single PM with you. Since the right specialises in innuendo I wanted to make a direct statement concerning the two referenced matters.

I see you're trying hard to keep up so thx and have a nice day

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Yes, the New York Post is correct. Surprising as it is, this is the time for JOE!

Not only is writing on the wall, the wall (which apparently the Mexicans will pay to build ) is screaming from the rafters.

It out after Joe enters, it does put Obama in an awkward position though.

Biden, he does do the gaffes, but they're usually funny, and they add to the man's charm as a populist EVERYMAN.

Also of course as the NYP asserts IF Hillary makes it through the great wall of JOE, she'll emerge a much sharper stronger candidate against the republican.

the NYP asserts IF Hillary makes it through the great wall of JOE, she'll emerge a much sharper stronger candidate against the republican.

I'm sure the conservative Republican and sensationalist New York Post has Hillary's interests in mind.

Same as its readers

"The great wall of JOE" is a rather obscure notion besides....not even at best

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As former US Attorney General Michael Mukasey said:

"The FBI does not investigate machines. It investigates people, and to say she is not one of the people being investigated is ridiculous."

Obviously the fix is in.

Worse really than when the Chicago Machine gave the election to JFK vs Richard Nixon.

It should have been the last time for that but it was not the last time.

The Bush family treated the world to a globally televised 36 consecutive day chad count in Florida in 2000 where Jeb had been governor. It was a live and in real time global display of the Bush family, the Republican party, and of by hook or by crook vote counting and an election outcome to shat out a president.

[F430murci]

You wrote, "Do try to keep up" is a sanctimonious flame and I shall not respond. You wrote, "pathetic attempts to run garbage past people" another flame "7) You will respect fellow members and post in a civil manner. No personal attacks, hateful or insulting towards other members, (flaming) Stalking of members on either the forum or via PM will not be allowed." I will not respond.

You are trying to destroy a conversation by flaming because your arguments are so weak and outlandish. It is too bad that you can't have a civil conversation without being insulting.

I will no longer respond to you and suggest to others so flamed and insulted that they do the same thing.

Put him on "ignore". That's what I did.

Done

Why? He is entertaining.

[F430murci]

As former US Attorney General Michael Mukasey said:

"The FBI does not investigate machines. It investigates people, and to say she is not one of the people being investigated is ridiculous."

Obviously the fix is in.

Worse really than when the Chicago Machine gave the election to JFK vs Richard Nixon.

It should have been the last time for that but it was not the last time.

The Bush family treated the world to a globally televised 36 consecutive day chad count in Florida in 2000 where Jeb had been governor. It was a live and in real time global display of the Bush family, the Republican party, and of by hook or by crook vote counting and an election outcome to shat out a president.

I really wanted Gore to win also, but c'mon man. This is all nutty than grandma's hand-me-done fruitcake at Christmas. Everything is a right wing conspiracy to you.

First of all, I am a Democrat and have voted Democrat across the board since Clinton.

I hated Bush Jr.'s administration, although I am starting to view him as a decent person surrounded by nit so decent people that ran the show because he was weak and indecisive.

You defend thugs burning down and looting a city and attacking police officers as they are Obama's people and Democrats in your eye so your defense of Hillary lack a bit if objective credibility.

Like them or not, the Bush family has way more integrity than the Clintons. As much I love Bill, they are the epitome of opportunistic politicians.

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As former US Attorney General Michael Mukasey said:

"The FBI does not investigate machines. It investigates people, and to say she is not one of the people being investigated is ridiculous."

Obviously the fix is in.

Worse really than when the Chicago Machine gave the election to JFK vs Richard Nixon.

It should have been the last time for that but it was not the last time.

The Bush family treated the world to a globally televised 36 consecutive day chad count in Florida in 2000 where Jeb had been governor. It was a live and in real time global display of the Bush family, the Republican party, and of by hook or by crook vote counting and an election outcome to shat out a president.

I really wanted Gore to win also, but c'mon man. This is all nutty than grandma's hand-me-done fruitcake at Christmas. Everything is a right wing conspiracy to you.

First of all, I am a Democrat and have voted Democrat across the board since Clinton.

I hated Bush Jr.'s administration, although I am starting to view him as a decent person surrounded by nit so decent people that ran the show because he was weak and indecisive.

You defend thugs burning down and looting a city and attacking police officers as they are Obama's people and Democrats in your eye so your defense of Hillary lack a bit if objective credibility.

Like them or not, the Bush family has way more integrity than the Clintons. As much I love Bill, they are the epitome of opportunistic politicians.

You defend thugs burning down and looting a city and attacking police officers as they are Obama's people and Democrats in your eye

You have posted that dastardly claim more than once previously and I have corrected you numerous times. You are just not going to accept being corrected. I none the less state again that the assertion is vile and not credible. It is a claim that is a by hook or by crook stab at the opposition counselor. Throwing in the word Democrat makes it a political claim too and thus not credible either.

We see yet again counselor what it is they teach at Ozarks Law School.

I of course have no knowledge of where anyone here graduated law school but the reference to Ozarks whatever might communicate the point of how offensive it can be to be recklessly misrepresented by the posts of others. And to go off topic to try to do it.

[gudtymchuk]

Meet the two newest members of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy project. The rumor mill abuzz with the prospect of Barack and Lizzy throwing their support to "Uncle" Joe thus ensuring the demise Mz Clinton.

Run Joe, run!