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[Blackfalds]

It appears that the Democratic Party might be splintering between Suthep and Abhisit. Suthep has clearly aligned his political future with the military political agenda.

If Suthep goes "independent" with his own PDRC-style party in the next election, the PTP or its successor will either sweep the election or at worse have a coalition government. Democrats will become a marginalized party and the military will go into political overdrive.

I firmly believe that if the mad monk wants to go solo and create his own political party then he should do so with the blessings of all Thais.

Be a useful way to split the yellow vote and ensure the Democrat party sinks without trace, along with their sponsors, benefactors and guardians.

I firmly believe that the UDD should become a political party on its own and not be a part of the TRT/PPP/PTP or the next reincarnation of it..

Of course they would need a lot of money but I am sure that Nattawut and Jatuporn would throw in a few baht. They would also need transparency, accountability and morality as well but that may be a problem. They could stand as the alternative PTP.

It would be nice to have some new alternatives, especially parties that would truly represent the masses and not some corrupt family scam machine.

But, remember who appointed Nat and Jat to their roles in the UDD and who instructs and controls them.

Hopefully there are some people within the UDD/Red Shirt movements who are clever enough to see how they've been manipulated and abused by certain others for their own ends. Maybe some leadership could emerge from within the students or younger membership rather than the old leadership who were rewarded with PTP MP and cabinet positions.

"remember who appointed Nat and Jat to their roles in the UDD and who instructs and controls them"

I don't remember that as much as I recall Abhi-Sut being foisted into leadership and Abhi of that loveable two-some being made PM after losing an election.

It would be in interesting study to see who instructed and controlled that process.

And who gave Sut over-the-top bravado leading the PDRC in their quest. He was instructed and controlled given that audaciousness. That wasn't internally generated by Sut. He was a front man only.

[Jon Wetherall]

It appears that the Democratic Party might be splintering between Suthep and Abhisit. Suthep has clearly aligned his political future with the military political agenda.

If Suthep goes "independent" with his own PDRC-style party in the next election, the PTP or its successor will either sweep the election or at worse have a coalition government. Democrats will become a marginalized party and the military will go into political overdrive.

I firmly believe that if the mad monk wants to go solo and create his own political party then he should do so with the blessings of all Thais.

Be a useful way to split the yellow vote and ensure the Democrat party sinks without trace, along with their sponsors, benefactors and guardians.

I agree that it could be beneficial for the political landscape if Suthep created his own party. But in my dream this will rid the dems of their extremists and allow them to evolve into a political party that is truly national, as opposed to a party mainly that mainly represent the haves.

I know, I know - not very likely.

There needs to be real political parties, that follow the law, govern in the interests of all, and not totally corrupt self serving lackeys of one gang or another.

The elite hiso Chinese aren't going to give up their immensely wealthy and privileged life style, nor are the regional power barons; and most certainly not the new gang on the block. All have discovered just how vast the wealth is that can be plundered and all want to secure these benefits for future generations of their families.

Nothing that has happened in the last 10 years has changed that.

That people think anyone could really stand for parliament, in any area, shows just how naive some are in the how things really work here.

The losers have always been, and will always be, the Thai people unless there are some very fundamental changes and massive shifts in paradigms.

What might be needed to trigger those shifts and changes do you think?

[Jon Wetherall]

I firmly believe that if the mad monk wants to go solo and create his own political party then he should do so with the blessings of all Thais.

Be a useful way to split the yellow vote and ensure the Democrat party sinks without trace, along with their sponsors, benefactors and guardians.

I firmly believe that the UDD should become a political party on its own and not be a part of the TRT/PPP/PTP or the next reincarnation of it..

Of course they would need a lot of money but I am sure that Nattawut and Jatuporn would throw in a few baht. They would also need transparency, accountability and morality as well but that may be a problem. They could stand as the alternative PTP.

It would be nice to have some new alternatives, especially parties that would truly represent the masses and not some corrupt family scam machine.

But, remember who appointed Nat and Jat to their roles in the UDD and who instructs and controls them.

Hopefully there are some people within the UDD/Red Shirt movements who are clever enough to see how they've been manipulated and abused by certain others for their own ends. Maybe some leadership could emerge from within the students or younger membership rather than the old leadership who were rewarded with PTP MP and cabinet positions.

"remember who appointed Nat and Jat to their roles in the UDD and who instructs and controls them"

I don't remember that as much as I recall Abhi-Sut being foisted into leadership and Abhi of that loveable two-some being made PM after losing an election.

It would be in interesting study to see who instructed and controlled that process.

And who gave Sut over-the-top bravado leading the PDRC in their quest. He was instructed and controlled given that audaciousness. That wasn't internally generated by Sut. He was a front man only.

Indeed.

Q. Who are the puppeteers who don't wish to be seen and recognised by the public?

A. Same people it's always been, led by the same one person it's always been.

[h90]

The addition of the National Strategic Reform and Reconciliation Committee to the Charter was a "poison pill" and a beautiful power play.

Start with larger context for the power struggle today. It is firmly rooted in "the event that can't be named".

With the ouster of the Yingluck government, the Coup, and the establishment of a lengthy "Roadmap" by the Junta, it was believed that a window was now open for the "good" people to remain in control.

Divine providence has not intervened. More time is needed, but the semblance of progress toward restoration of an elected government must be maintained, otherwise the hollowness of the charade will be revealed.

Enter the poison pill. A new clause in the Charter that boldly proclaims, "You elected fools will be running the country, until we say you aren't."

If the charter is voted in, the pill is swallowed and the Junta will remain in the top position for at least 5 years. (Surely enough time for "things" to happen). If the charter is voted out, the Roadmap will be "unfortunately" rescheduled, and another year is gained.

Meh. Vote it down. People are getting restive.

I like good people are in control versus bad people (Shinawatras) are in control.

[MZurf]

The addition of the National Strategic Reform and Reconciliation Committee to the Charter was a "poison pill" and a beautiful power play.

Start with larger context for the power struggle today. It is firmly rooted in "the event that can't be named".

With the ouster of the Yingluck government, the Coup, and the establishment of a lengthy "Roadmap" by the Junta, it was believed that a window was now open for the "good" people to remain in control.

Divine providence has not intervened. More time is needed, but the semblance of progress toward restoration of an elected government must be maintained, otherwise the hollowness of the charade will be revealed.

Enter the poison pill. A new clause in the Charter that boldly proclaims, "You elected fools will be running the country, until we say you aren't."

If the charter is voted in, the pill is swallowed and the Junta will remain in the top position for at least 5 years. (Surely enough time for "things" to happen). If the charter is voted out, the Roadmap will be "unfortunately" rescheduled, and another year is gained.

Meh. Vote it down. People are getting restive.

I like good people are in control versus bad people (Shinawatras) are in control.

So are you saying good people are in control now?? Who knew!

[Jon Wetherall]

The addition of the National Strategic Reform and Reconciliation Committee to the Charter was a "poison pill" and a beautiful power play.

Start with larger context for the power struggle today. It is firmly rooted in "the event that can't be named".

With the ouster of the Yingluck government, the Coup, and the establishment of a lengthy "Roadmap" by the Junta, it was believed that a window was now open for the "good" people to remain in control.

Divine providence has not intervened. More time is needed, but the semblance of progress toward restoration of an elected government must be maintained, otherwise the hollowness of the charade will be revealed.

Enter the poison pill. A new clause in the Charter that boldly proclaims, "You elected fools will be running the country, until we say you aren't."

If the charter is voted in, the pill is swallowed and the Junta will remain in the top position for at least 5 years. (Surely enough time for "things" to happen). If the charter is voted out, the Roadmap will be "unfortunately" rescheduled, and another year is gained.

Meh. Vote it down. People are getting restive.

I like good people are in control versus bad people (Shinawatras) are in control.

So are you saying good people are in control now?? Who knew!

Oh God, another "only the Shins are dishonest in Thailand, everyone else is driven snow" brigade. My cup truly runneth over. I feel so happy.

Edited September 5, 2015 by Jon Wetherall

[greenchair]

Who will be the first brave one, to stand up and say "no"??

Why waste billions on a referendum, have a nida poll and be done with it. 95 percent will agree with it.

The NRC get to vote on it first. If they kick it out, it's back to the drafting board.

I know that.

I meant if 1 nrc member says no, the rest will not be afraid to follow. But if no one is brave enough to say no, everyone will just vote yes, because of fear.

Anyone that says no, might not be invited to sit on one of those very powerful committees that will monitor the people and the new government.

It might be political suicide for nrc members that say no to this charter. Mr p has told them already. There will be consequences if you don't vote in the correct way.