Thai resident

[Chancery]

You hit spot on saying that you will never suggest someone to renounce their place of birth and upbringing. My daughter is a young adult but she is not ready to make such an important decision.

Her idea is since she wants to try working in sin. Take up sin and she can always come back thai if she doesn't like. lots of complications and obstacles coming thru that route if she comes a foreignor but Thai at heart.

[paz]

You hit spot on saying that you will never suggest someone to renounce their place of birth and upbringing. My daughter is a young adult but she is not ready to make such an important decision.

Her idea is since she wants to try working in sin. Take up sin and she can always come back thai if she doesn't like. lots of complications and obstacles coming thru that route if she comes a foreignor but Thai at heart.

I agree with you and what I would probably suggest is that she takes the only formal step of applying for renouncing Thai citizenship to satisfy Singapore, and no more than that.

Then she will take the oath if her heart tells her to do so, at some point each one of us has to take decisions.

[Chancery]

No point start the process of renounciation if decides not to take oath. That wd be risky. There is no timeline how long renounciation will take . If u start process and dont take oath, u lose citizenship of Singapore automatically. She may end up stateless

[paz]

No point start the process of renounciation if decides not to take oath. That wd be risky. There is no timeline how long renounciation will take . If u start process and dont take oath, u lose citizenship of Singapore automatically. She may end up stateless

Well, what I was suggesting is actually that she takes the oath once Singapore is satisfied with documents showing just an initial application, which is little more than an affidavit. Anyway Thailand could not leave any of their subjects stateless, that is something done only by cruel regimes that i don't even need to mention.

[Chancery]

Yes that wd be the process if she decides sin.

Otherwise , do nothing and you will just cease to be sin citizen

[scorecard]

I would recommend she opt for the Singapore nationality. It is world renowned and respected and most countries accept Spore passports without visa restrictions. If AEC ever gets off the ground then she won't need a visa or work permit to work in Thailand.

That's if her profession in on the fairly short list of specific professions allowing folks from other

AEC countries to work in Thailand without a work permit.

[paz]

Yes that wd be the process if she decides sin.

Otherwise , do nothing and you will just cease to be sin citizen

Sorry, I wasn't explicit enough before so I will now. Look into the possibility of initiating the Thai renunciation process and then withdraw it.

[Chancery]

Yes , that is the pro of sin being more superior, widely recognized and more job opportunities. The visa issue is a sure plus but is not my concern. Thai pp can get 10 year multiple entry to UK and U.S. Most Asian countries that we go are visa free. Only Europe is troublesome. But she has already travelled widely to European countries. But I'm not sure if it is the right thing to do ie decide on a superior citizenship with no commited I tensions to live there for life.

With regards to visa free on APEC, her profession is likely not in the category . I've looked through- she will likely be in consultancy, finance , banking which doesn't fall here. also, risky too take up citizenship to bet on that? This is lifetime commitment

[Arkady]

If she is serious about renouncing Thai nationality, you should talk to Special Branch at National Police HQ about the process and the timeline. I think it can be done at Thai Embassies abroad too. So your daughter could ask at the Thai Embassy in London. Under Section 14 of the Nationality Act the application to renounce by 'look krung' should be made between 20th and 21st birthdays. After the 21st birthday the process is under a different section of Act for Thais who want to renounce to obtain, rather than retain, another nationality, and may be different. I believe that the Interior Ministry has to check that they are not making people stateless. There are a lot of people under a time limit like Thai women who marry Koreans and have to produce evidence of renunciation of former nationality within 12 months of getting Korean nationality or lose it. So they understand that but might not speed things up for some one who applies late, in their view. They would just cancel the renunciation. Things are not terribly efficient anyway and there can even be inexplicable delays just in signing approval for publication in the RG and actual publication in the RG. Changes of government can delay things.

If she is culturally Thai and brought up in Thailand, she should think hard before giving up Thai citizenship. Needing visas and a work permit and not being allowed to own land or your own business are considerable disadvantages, if she lives here. Not to mention all the little hassles like having to lug your passport around with you just to go to the bank. I hated that before I got Thai citizenship and think that someone who was Thai from birth would hate it even more. Also she will have no problem keeping Thai nationality, if she goes for another nationality like British or Australian etc in future.

Of course, if she is reasonably sure she wants to make the rest of her life in Singapore, Singaporean nationality is the answer.

[Chancery]

She thinks she can have the advantages of both worlds, to take up sin citizenship and try working there and being born and bred in Bangkok, come back and live her life here if she doesn't like.

She says why can't she live like me ie have sin citizenship and live in Thailand

The difference is I came to Bkk to get married and then have a career. I never gave up sin citizenship in case anything goes wrong I can go back. But she is renouncing her birth place to live in somewhere she has never lived before and unsure if she will make it her home. Coming back to live is another ballgame.

Despite the fact that it is quite a heart ache to advise her to give up sin, I think I'm leaning towards that direction. The ultimate decision is hers of course

[arunsakda]

With her background and education I would not give up Thai citizenship. Just in terms of easy access to

foreign nations for travel this list puts ranks the Thai Passport at 55, Singapore is 4. Below Ghana, Cuba

and Taiwan for example.

http://matadornetwork.com/goods/ranking-worlds-powerful-passports/

[Chancery]

Yes but citizenship decisions should not be base on the passport giving ease of travels. It sd be where a person wants to live. This is indeed stressful and I think if sin wants to gain loyalty from the people, they sd consider their policies like the US who continues to give flexibility to the children of their nationalit in keeping citizenship.

Besides Europe where visa is a headache, Thais can get 10 year visas to US, UK. My daughter has traveled widely. I don't know what other exotic places she wants to go . At most, get a travel visa?