boomerangutang Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 My concern is that for such a high profile trial is that there is a limitation on the amount of time that each side has to present evidence and supply witnesses and also the time allocated to the prosecution and defense seems to be disproportionate. The other thing that concerns me is, correct me if I'm wrong, that there have been no witnesses to the night in question that have testified or are due to testify (Other than the one's charged and their friend as far as I understand). Man I really hope the defence can show the world the truth on their remaining two days.... Sorry to slip in some Thai-bashing, but I've been familiar with Thailand for a third of a century, and know how they can heap truck loads of rhetoric on an issue which may require just a few sentences to clarify. With Thai vociferousness coupled with tightly limited time allotment mandated by the court, it's no surprise that the trial won't hear mention of 90% of evidence that could be useful. In other words, 90% of the issues we're discussing in these topics will barely be touched upon during the trial. Not the missing CCTV, not Running Man videos, not Sean, not the mystery farang man with Asian g.f. witnesses, not the French girls, not Mon's involvement nor the involvement of his nephew and their half dozen buddies and cop friends, most of whom wear weaponized rings and have criminal reputations. The too-long-winded factor is useful, particularly by prosecution witnesses, in wasting time while concurrently avoiding mention of pertinent aspects of the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerangutang Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 If a police officer takes the lead on a double murder investigation it would be normal sensible and common practise to have him remain until the investigation has concluded, to have him abruptly removed and transferred whether already on the cards or not was unprofessional and wrong, the reason for this is obvious and well proven I agree. Panya and his team were just gaining traction and about to indict two top suspects. His Bkk superiors ordered him to desist and indict Burmese instead. He did (probably reluctantly) but it was too late. The wheels of the Scapegoat Locomotive had already started turning. He was yanked off the job, given a pay raise (and a cash reward?) and a desk job in Bangkok, and ordered to not utter anything more about the case. Notice, he hasn't been mentioned by the prosecution, let alone called as a witness. He was chief investigator on the case during its initial 11 days, yet RTP and prosecution don't want the court to hear one word from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweatalot Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 If a police officer takes the lead on a double murder investigation it would be normal sensible and common practise to have him remain until the investigation has concluded, to have him abruptly removed and transferred whether already on the cards or not was unprofessional and wrong, the reason for this is obvious and well proven I agree. Panya and his team were just gaining traction and about to indict two top suspects. His Bkk superiors ordered him to desist and indict Burmese instead. He did (probably reluctantly) but it was too late. The wheels of the Scapegoat Locomotive had already started turning. He was yanked off the job, given a pay raise (and a cash reward?) and a desk job in Bangkok, and ordered to not utter anything more about the case. Notice, he hasn't been mentioned by the prosecution, let alone called as a witness. He was chief investigator on the case during its initial 11 days, yet RTP and prosecution don't want the court to hear one word from him. Why don't the defense call him as a witness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkknight666 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 If a police officer takes the lead on a double murder investigation it would be normal sensible and common practise to have him remain until the investigation has concluded, to have him abruptly removed and transferred whether already on the cards or not was unprofessional and wrong, the reason for this is obvious and well proven I agree. Panya and his team were just gaining traction and about to indict two top suspects. His Bkk superiors ordered him to desist and indict Burmese instead. He did (probably reluctantly) but it was too late. The wheels of the Scapegoat Locomotive had already started turning. He was yanked off the job, given a pay raise (and a cash reward?) and a desk job in Bangkok, and ordered to not utter anything more about the case. Notice, he hasn't been mentioned by the prosecution, let alone called as a witness. He was chief investigator on the case during its initial 11 days, yet RTP and prosecution don't want the court to hear one word from him. Why don't the defense call him as a witness? Even if they did, which I guess they have, who says he will show up? He's a subordinate in all of this so I imagine he does whatever is best for his career and family... So, he likely won't ever be heard from in the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailandchilli Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Sharktooth/stingray man is a person of particular interest. Of course if this had been a professional investigation carried our by police who could not be corrupted then this guy would have been one of the first to be taken in for questioning to ensure he had nothing to do with this. He was out that night in Koh Tao and was photographed in the same bar as David (Bar Next 2). He has previous serious allegations against him for alleged rape by a Thai woman Supannee Deightom, she had to climb out of the window to escape cutting and scraping her leg. If thats not enough to bring him in for questioning then added to the above, he left Koh Tao the day after the murders and then returned once the B2 were arrested. Thats according to a post by David at CSILA so how much credibility we can put on that who knows but certainly possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthEnergiser Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) The number 9 shirt looks very similar to the uniforms in that bar above. Edited October 7, 2015 by StealthEnergiser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailandchilli Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 The number 9 shirt looks very similar to the uniforms in that bar above. nuum9.jpg num9A.jpg Yes it does indeed, they were all part of the football party group that were out that night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkknight666 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 I was thinking this the other day... When the RTP in Bangkok said "there's no mafia on Koh Tao or the police would be aware of them".. What he meant was there is no Mafia as in Italian Mafia. Of course we know there's no Italian Mafia on Koh Tao.... The mafia on the islands isn't your typical type of crime syndicate as we're all aware, it's the local family's and their RTP buddies who run those rackets. Anything hey say can be twisted a million different ways with Thai cops... Same with the "lost" evidence that suddenly wasn't lost, it was a miscommunication by the press. Masters at covert lying, Not so good at every day routine lying and definitely not used to ever being called out. Anyhow, just keeps it fresh in my mind that the lies have been numerous from the cops from day one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritTim Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) I was thinking this the other day... When the RTP in Bangkok said "there's no mafia on Koh Tao or the police would be aware of them".. What he meant was there is no Mafia as in Italian Mafia. Of course we know there's no Italian Mafia on Koh Tao.... The mafia on the islands isn't your typical type of crime syndicate as we're all aware, it's the local family's and their RTP buddies who run those rackets. Anything hey say can be twisted a million different ways with Thai cops... Same with the "lost" evidence that suddenly wasn't lost, it was a miscommunication by the press. Masters at covert lying, Not so good at every day routine lying and definitely not used to ever being called out. Anyhow, just keeps it fresh in my mind that the lies have been numerous from the cops from day one. My "favorite" piece of misdirection was "all the DNA samples are replicated and kept for 12 months". Who, except an expert, is going to initially realize this is referring to intermediate amplified DNA? Edited October 7, 2015 by BritTim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partington Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 I was thinking this the other day... When the RTP in Bangkok said "there's no mafia on Koh Tao or the police would be aware of them".. What he meant was there is no Mafia as in Italian Mafia. Of course we know there's no Italian Mafia on Koh Tao.... The mafia on the islands isn't your typical type of crime syndicate as we're all aware, it's the local family's and their RTP buddies who run those rackets. Anything hey say can be twisted a million different ways with Thai cops... Same with the "lost" evidence that suddenly wasn't lost, it was a miscommunication by the press. Masters at covert lying, Not so good at every day routine lying and definitely not used to ever being called out. Anyhow, just keeps it fresh in my mind that the lies have been numerous from the cops from day one. My "favorite" piece of misdirection was "all the DNA samples are replicated and kept for 12 months". Who, except an expert, is going to initially realize this is referring to intermediate amplified DNA? There is no evidence anywhere to indicate that this means intermediate amplified DNA. This is simply a speculation, and is just as likely to be wrong as right. You simply don't have the information on which to base this assumption, and yet you are referring to it as a self-evident fact. This in itself is misleading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Off topic posts and replies discussing banned members have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Sharktooth/stingray man is a person of particular interest. Of course if this had been a professional investigation carried our by police who could not be corrupted then this guy would have been one of the first to be taken in for questioning to ensure he had nothing to do with this. He was out that night in Koh Tao and was photographed in the same bar as David (Bar Next 2). He has previous serious allegations against him for alleged rape by a Thai woman Supannee Deightom, she had to climb out of the window to escape cutting and scraping her leg. If thats not enough to bring him in for questioning then added to the above, he left Koh Tao the day after the murders and then returned once the B2 were arrested. Thats according to a post by David at CSILA so how much credibility we can put on that who knows but certainly possible. I have always believed he was involved from very early on (months ago) Here is what I think 1. He was possibly directly involved in the altercation with Hannah in AC bar 2. The unmentioned uninvestigated injuries on Davids body consistant IMO with the ring he wears 3. He left (as you say) the island next day - why ? 4. His previous form 5. He fits the profile IMO of thinking he is a hard man and was insulted in front of his friends when Hannah rejected him (lost face) I think David walked Hannah home that night to their lodgings from AC bar because she was frightened and feared for her safety and they were followed by at least 4 (cowards) men and assaulted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenterry Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Sharktooth/stingray man is a person of particular interest. Of course if this had been a professional investigation carried our by police who could not be corrupted then this guy would have been one of the first to be taken in for questioning to ensure he had nothing to do with this. He was out that night in Koh Tao and was photographed in the same bar as David (Bar Next 2). He has previous serious allegations against him for alleged rape by a Thai woman Supannee Deightom, she had to climb out of the window to escape cutting and scraping her leg. If thats not enough to bring him in for questioning then added to the above, he left Koh Tao the day after the murders and then returned once the B2 were arrested. Thats according to a post by David at CSILA so how much credibility we can put on that who knows but certainly possible. I have always believed he was involved from very early on (months ago) Here is what I think 1. He was possibly directly involved in the altercation with Hannah in AC bar 2. The unmentioned uninvestigated injuries on Davids body consistant IMO with the ring he wears 3. He left (as you say) the island next day - why ? 4. His previous form 5. He fits the profile IMO of thinking he is a hard man and was insulted in front of his friends when Hannah rejected him (lost face) I think David walked Hannah home that night to their lodgings from AC bar because she was frightened and feared for her safety and they were followed by at least 4 (cowards) men and assaulted He might have been one of the gang who killed David but I'm keeping a less than open mind about who killed Hannah and why. Hers was an attack of extreme passion_his DNA would have been all over the hoe. Ms pornthip testimony stated that most of the DNA on the handle was Hannah's. I wonder if she found female DNA and matched one sample to Hannah then focused on male DNA. Jealousy is an extreme emotion if the killer is enraged enough to destroy Hannah's face. If the UK autopsy results are accurate NO rape took place. Hannah's clothes are missing as is the hair clutched in her hand. Why? To protect a male or to hide female DNA from the defence? It's all about missing DNA evidence, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trisha61 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Sharktooth/stingray man is a person of particular interest. Of course if this had been a professional investigation carried our by police who could not be corrupted then this guy would have been one of the first to be taken in for questioning to ensure he had nothing to do with this. He was out that night in Koh Tao and was photographed in the same bar as David (Bar Next 2). He has previous serious allegations against him for alleged rape by a Thai woman Supannee Deightom, she had to climb out of the window to escape cutting and scraping her leg. If thats not enough to bring him in for questioning then added to the above, he left Koh Tao the day after the murders and then returned once the B2 were arrested. Thats according to a post by David at CSILA so how much credibility we can put on that who knows but certainly possible. I have always believed he was involved from very early on (months ago) Here is what I think 1. He was possibly directly involved in the altercation with Hannah in AC bar 2. The unmentioned uninvestigated injuries on Davids body consistant IMO with the ring he wears 3. He left (as you say) the island next day - why ? 4. His previous form 5. He fits the profile IMO of thinking he is a hard man and was insulted in front of his friends when Hannah rejected him (lost face) I think David walked Hannah home that night to their lodgings from AC bar because she was frightened and feared for her safety and they were followed by at least 4 (cowards) men and assaulted Middle finger right hand, jewelry sales appear to be flourishing on KT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambum Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 "Thai Police Lieutenant Colonel Somsak Nurod said that a hair with roots that was found in Ms Witheridge’s hand had not been pursued as a lead in the case." How many more nails does this coffin need? He said it wasn't persued as a lead probably because they already knew whose hair it was. And how did they know that? Maybe presumed it was one of Hannah's own? Sorry Joe! I've just seen this little tit bit of info :- "The strand test revealed it had not come from either 23 year-old Ms Witheridge, or Jersey tourist David Miller, 24, who was murdered alongside her." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambum Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 If a police officer takes the lead on a double murder investigation it would be normal sensible and common practise to have him remain until the investigation has concluded, to have him abruptly removed and transferred whether already on the cards or not was unprofessional and wrong, the reason for this is obvious and well proven I agree. Panya and his team were just gaining traction and about to indict two top suspects. His Bkk superiors ordered him to desist and indict Burmese instead. He did (probably reluctantly) but it was too late. The wheels of the Scapegoat Locomotive had already started turning. He was yanked off the job, given a pay raise (and a cash reward?) and a desk job in Bangkok, and ordered to not utter anything more about the case. Notice, he hasn't been mentioned by the prosecution, let alone called as a witness. He was chief investigator on the case during its initial 11 days, yet RTP and prosecution don't want the court to hear one word from him. Why don't the defense call him as a witness? Even if they did, which I guess they have, who says he will show up? He's a subordinate in all of this so I imagine he does whatever is best for his career and family... So, he likely won't ever be heard from in the matter. In which case, should a subpoena not be issued, and if that doesn't work, a warrant for his arrest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trisha61 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Sharktooth/stingray man is a person of particular interest. Of course if this had been a professional investigation carried our by police who could not be corrupted then this guy would have been one of the first to be taken in for questioning to ensure he had nothing to do with this. He was out that night in Koh Tao and was photographed in the same bar as David (Bar Next 2). He has previous serious allegations against him for alleged rape by a Thai woman Supannee Deightom, she had to climb out of the window to escape cutting and scraping her leg. If thats not enough to bring him in for questioning then added to the above, he left Koh Tao the day after the murders and then returned once the B2 were arrested. Thats according to a post by David at CSILA so how much credibility we can put on that who knows but certainly possible. I have always believed he was involved from very early on (months ago) Here is what I think 1. He was possibly directly involved in the altercation with Hannah in AC bar 2. The unmentioned uninvestigated injuries on Davids body consistant IMO with the ring he wears 3. He left (as you say) the island next day - why ? 4. His previous form 5. He fits the profile IMO of thinking he is a hard man and was insulted in front of his friends when Hannah rejected him (lost face) I think David walked Hannah home that night to their lodgings from AC bar because she was frightened and feared for her safety and they were followed by at least 4 (cowards) men and assaulted Middle finger right hand, jewelry sales appear to be flourishing on KT. Just to throw into the mix: When asked his views Sean MCMystery said words to the effect : "Check which 3 people did not come to work at the *** bar the next day." It was at this time there was much speculation about 2 bouncers at this bar, one referred to as 'shark tooth ring.' Reports stated that they both left the island that day. Very little has been said about them since. Just a reminder. Where are they now I wonder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenterry Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 As far as the trial is concerned that neither of the suspects DNA was found on the hoe the court must acquit them of Hannah's murder. Any other result would be a travesty of justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 A post containing profane content has been removed: 8) You will not post disruptive or inflammatory messages, vulgarities, obscenities or profanities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthEnergiser Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Follow Andy Hall@Atomicalandy Many questions re: Koh Tao case final stages so here's a few tweets to explain as I understand/as defence lawyers explained 4 final stages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthEnergiser Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Follow Andy Hall@Atomicalandy Stage 1: final 2 defense witnesses (defendants Zaw Lin/Wai Phyo) to testify 10/11 Oct, likely to be final 2 days of witness testimony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthEnergiser Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Follow Andy Hall@Atomicalandy Stage 2: after all witness testimony complete Samui court sets date submission prosecution/defence written closing statements & verdict date Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthEnergiser Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Follow Andy Hall@Atomicalandy Stage 3: submit closing statements, Samui court considers all evidence/testimony, writes verdict, sends verdict region 8 DG judge 2 consider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthEnergiser Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Follow Andy Hall@Atomicalandy Stage 4: final Koh Tao murder case verdict issued and read in a court session by Koh Samui Court (expected late November or December 2015) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnniey Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Sharktooth/stingray man is a person of particular interest. Of course if this had been a professional investigation carried our by police who could not be corrupted then this guy would have been one of the first to be taken in for questioning to ensure he had nothing to do with this. He was out that night in Koh Tao and was photographed in the same bar as David (Bar Next 2). He has previous serious allegations against him for alleged rape by a Thai woman Supannee Deightom, she had to climb out of the window to escape cutting and scraping her leg. If thats not enough to bring him in for questioning then added to the above, he left Koh Tao the day after the murders and then returned once the B2 were arrested. Thats according to a post by David at CSILA so how much credibility we can put on that who knows but certainly possible. I have always believed he was involved from very early on (months ago) Here is what I think 1. He was possibly directly involved in the altercation with Hannah in AC bar 2. The unmentioned uninvestigated injuries on Davids body consistant IMO with the ring he wears 3. He left (as you say) the island next day - why ? 4. His previous form 5. He fits the profile IMO of thinking he is a hard man and was insulted in front of his friends when Hannah rejected him (lost face) I think David walked Hannah home that night to their lodgings from AC bar because she was frightened and feared for her safety and they were followed by at least 4 (cowards) men and assaulted Middle finger right hand, jewelry sales appear to be flourishing on KT. Are you saying this guy is a possible killer? If so, why don't you take your evidence to the police or the defense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenterry Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Sharktooth/stingray man is a person of particular interest. Of course if this had been a professional investigation carried our by police who could not be corrupted then this guy would have been one of the first to be taken in for questioning to ensure he had nothing to do with this. He was out that night in Koh Tao and was photographed in the same bar as David (Bar Next 2). He has previous serious allegations against him for alleged rape by a Thai woman Supannee Deightom, she had to climb out of the window to escape cutting and scraping her leg. If thats not enough to bring him in for questioning then added to the above, he left Koh Tao the day after the murders and then returned once the B2 were arrested. Thats according to a post by David at CSILA so how much credibility we can put on that who knows but certainly possible. I have always believed he was involved from very early on (months ago) Here is what I think 1. He was possibly directly involved in the altercation with Hannah in AC bar 2. The unmentioned uninvestigated injuries on Davids body consistant IMO with the ring he wears 3. He left (as you say) the island next day - why ? 4. His previous form 5. He fits the profile IMO of thinking he is a hard man and was insulted in front of his friends when Hannah rejected him (lost face) I think David walked Hannah home that night to their lodgings from AC bar because she was frightened and feared for her safety and they were followed by at least 4 (cowards) men and assaulted Middle finger right hand, jewelry sales appear to be flourishing on KT. Are you saying this guy is a possible killer? If so, why don't you take your evidence to the police or the defense? Why don't you troll elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnniey Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Are you saying this guy is a possible killer? If so, why don't you take your evidence to the police or the defense? Would you......?............ If I thought someone innocent was being blamed instead and I was sure, of course I would go to the police or the Burmese guys' lawyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linky Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Are you saying this guy is a possible killer? If so, why don't you take your evidence to the police or the defense? Would you......?............ If I thought someone innocent was being blamed instead and I was sure, of course I would go to the police or the Burmese guys' lawyer. No point going to police. They have the 2 and wont budge. Can tell defence but what can they do without access to the uk coroner report? In a real country you give evidence to police who MUST include it as evidence even if it is against them. They cannot pick and chose which evidence to give to defence. They must give all evidence even if it hurts their case. But thats in a real country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthEnergiser Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Watching innocent people walk around in prison chains is sickening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenterry Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Don't feed the troll. He is baiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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