Lite Beer Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Kamnan Sia 'not fit enough' to hear Appeal Court verdictThe Nation Kamnan Sia BANGKOK: -- THE Court of Appeals has postponed the reading of its verdict in the high-profile encroachment case against influential former Democrat MP Pracha Pothipipit after being told the 72-year-old is recovering from surgery following a car accident.Pracha's lawyer appeared in court on his behalf yesterday to produce a medical certificate and tell the judges the former politician needs time to recuperate.The court postponed the verdict reading until November 10. However, it made it clear that if Pracha failed to show up on that date an arrest warrant would be issued against him.Pracha, known as "Kamnan Sia", encroached on almost 1,200 rai (192 hectares) of state land in Kanchanaburi's Dan Makham Tia district (299 rai) and Ratchaburi's Suan Phung district (900 rai) between 1990 and 2004.On August 29 last year, a lower court sentenced him to one year in prison. He was allowed bail pending the appeal.Pracha's lawyer said the former village chief had a road accident on August 1 and suffered broken ribs.He was discharged from hospital on August 16 but was not well enough to attend court yet, the lawyer said.In a phone interview Pracha's wife Khemmaporn Tangjaiyen said: "He can't go to the court yet. He cannot walk properly yet."She said her husband underwent surgery for an injured right leg and injured ribs and had daily physical therapy. "I think he will need five to six months of physical therapy," she said. Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Kamnan-Sia-not-fit-enough-to-hear-Appeal-Court-ver-30270088.html -- The Nation 2015-10-03 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prbkk Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 A 'nothing new' story..just add it to the huge pile of one set of rules and standards for the rich, powerful elite in contrast to those for the poor and the out of favour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Maybe a stop-off on the way to the physio wouldn't be too much of a strain on the poor hard-done by criminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZurf Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Truly amazing the number of defendants who conveniently are too ill to appear in court, e.g. the Red Bull heir. I believe he had a sore throat or something. Heartening to see that justice has finally arrived in Thailand under the magnanimous rule of the junta leader!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Truly amazing the number of defendants who conveniently are too ill to appear in court, e.g. the Red Bull heir. I believe he had a sore throat or something. Heartening to see that justice has finally arrived in Thailand under the magnanimous rule of the junta leader!! At least even democrats are tried and redshirts too all for the same thing, encroachment. Hard to call it political. You are right about how many defendants are too ill to appear in court or go to jail just like the case of the bank officials made to give out loans to non performing companies by Thaksin. Also excuse after excuse about health. Its good to be real rich and powerful it does not matter on what side you are you will always be treated a lot better as the poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Send him an email informing him of the verdict and then send him to the prison infirmary for his therapy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZurf Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) Truly amazing the number of defendants who conveniently are too ill to appear in court, e.g. the Red Bull heir. I believe he had a sore throat or something. Heartening to see that justice has finally arrived in Thailand under the magnanimous rule of the junta leader!! At least even democrats are tried and redshirts too all for the same thing, encroachment. Hard to call it political. You are right about how many defendants are too ill to appear in court or go to jail just like the case of the bank officials made to give out loans to non performing companies by Thaksin. Also excuse after excuse about health. Its good to be real rich and powerful it does not matter on what side you are you will always be treated a lot better as the poor. I didn't try to make a political point, except to say that the rich and powerful (of all shirt colors) can still get away literally with murder. And that is probably the side of Thailand I dislike the most. It's always been like that and it sure as he!! is not going to change under the present administration. Edited October 3, 2015 by MZurf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noitom Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Known as "Kamnan Sia." Thais aggrandizing these criminals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Truly amazing the number of defendants who conveniently are too ill to appear in court, e.g. the Red Bull heir. I believe he had a sore throat or something. Heartening to see that justice has finally arrived in Thailand under the magnanimous rule of the junta leader!! At least even democrats are tried and redshirts too all for the same thing, encroachment. Hard to call it political. You are right about how many defendants are too ill to appear in court or go to jail just like the case of the bank officials made to give out loans to non performing companies by Thaksin. Also excuse after excuse about health. Its good to be real rich and powerful it does not matter on what side you are you will always be treated a lot better as the poor. I didn't try to make a political point, except to say that the rich and powerful (of all shirt colors) can still get away literally with murder. And that is probably the side of Thailand I dislike the most. It's always been like that and it sure as he!! is not going to change under the present administration. Only thing different under this administration is that they are being tried, seen far more cases like this then ever before. And I agree 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZurf Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Truly amazing the number of defendants who conveniently are too ill to appear in court, e.g. the Red Bull heir. I believe he had a sore throat or something. Heartening to see that justice has finally arrived in Thailand under the magnanimous rule of the junta leader!! At least even democrats are tried and redshirts too all for the same thing, encroachment. Hard to call it political. You are right about how many defendants are too ill to appear in court or go to jail just like the case of the bank officials made to give out loans to non performing companies by Thaksin. Also excuse after excuse about health. Its good to be real rich and powerful it does not matter on what side you are you will always be treated a lot better as the poor. I didn't try to make a political point, except to say that the rich and powerful (of all shirt colors) can still get away literally with murder. And that is probably the side of Thailand I dislike the most. It's always been like that and it sure as he!! is not going to change under the present administration. Only thing different under this administration is that they are being tried, seen far more cases like this then ever before. And I agree 100% The day that everyone in Thailand are held accountable for their actions (starting at the very top) is the day that real change has been made. Unfortunately that day might not come..ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsailor35 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Truly amazing the number of defendants who conveniently are too ill to appear in court, e.g. the Red Bull heir. I believe he had a sore throat or something. Heartening to see that justice has finally arrived in Thailand under the magnanimous rule of the junta leader!! If needs be, they should wheel the greedy bastards in on a guerney ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick167 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 This criminal was a former Democrat MP, there are so many such criminals in the Democart Party as there has been convictions of other of their members in the past for various crimes and also other criminal allegations, just shows what crap they are too. In order for Thailand to move forward, all past politicains be in form the Pheu Thai, Democart, Chartpattana, Chaipattana, etc should all be banned form any future positions and have all their assets confisticated inrrespective of whether they are in the wrong or not and be placed understate custoday. For so many years these people have failed the country and were only concerned with their own gains. Let the army and Prayuth run the country for the next 25 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 "He can't go to the court yet. He cannot walk properly yet." Maybe he can use a "wheelchair." He may want to be sitting down anyways for the verdict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Truly amazing the number of defendants who conveniently are too ill to appear in court, e.g. the Red Bull heir. I believe he had a sore throat or something. Heartening to see that justice has finally arrived in Thailand under the magnanimous rule of the junta leader!! At least even democrats are tried and redshirts too all for the same thing, encroachment. Hard to call it political. You are right about how many defendants are too ill to appear in court or go to jail just like the case of the bank officials made to give out loans to non performing companies by Thaksin. Also excuse after excuse about health. Its good to be real rich and powerful it does not matter on what side you are you will always be treated a lot better as the poor. I didn't try to make a political point, except to say that the rich and powerful (of all shirt colors) can still get away literally with murder. And that is probably the side of Thailand I dislike the most. It's always been like that and it sure as he!! is not going to change under the present administration. Doesn't seem the present administration is interested in changing the one rule for the rich, one for all the others justice and law enforcement system. And neither have any governments this century which suggests that a change in administration is unlikely to bring any changes in this area, if that ever happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZurf Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Truly amazing the number of defendants who conveniently are too ill to appear in court, e.g. the Red Bull heir. I believe he had a sore throat or something. Heartening to see that justice has finally arrived in Thailand under the magnanimous rule of the junta leader!! At least even democrats are tried and redshirts too all for the same thing, encroachment. Hard to call it political. You are right about how many defendants are too ill to appear in court or go to jail just like the case of the bank officials made to give out loans to non performing companies by Thaksin. Also excuse after excuse about health. Its good to be real rich and powerful it does not matter on what side you are you will always be treated a lot better as the poor. I didn't try to make a political point, except to say that the rich and powerful (of all shirt colors) can still get away literally with murder. And that is probably the side of Thailand I dislike the most. It's always been like that and it sure as he!! is not going to change under the present administration. Doesn't seem the present administration is interested in changing the one rule for the rich, one for all the others justice and law enforcement system. And neither have any governments this century which suggests that a change in administration is unlikely to bring any changes in this area, if that ever happens. Real change in Thailand can only come about if there is a sea change in the attitude of the Thai people, i.e. less "Thainess". This can only happen if the younger generation is taught critical and independent thinking from the get go. This has never happened here, and in fact more Thainess is being taught in the schools than ever before. I'm not very optimistic regarding the future of this country, and I say that with a heavy heart because I have made it my home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcatcher Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 This sl**zebag should have taken a page out of someone else's book. http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/kamnan-sia-and-his-wife-get-10-years-and-16-months-for-forest-encroachment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Truly amazing the number of defendants who conveniently are too ill to appear in court, e.g. the Red Bull heir. I believe he had a sore throat or something. Heartening to see that justice has finally arrived in Thailand under the magnanimous rule of the junta leader!! At least even democrats are tried and redshirts too all for the same thing, encroachment. Hard to call it political. You are right about how many defendants are too ill to appear in court or go to jail just like the case of the bank officials made to give out loans to non performing companies by Thaksin. Also excuse after excuse about health. Its good to be real rich and powerful it does not matter on what side you are you will always be treated a lot better as the poor. I didn't try to make a political point, except to say that the rich and powerful (of all shirt colors) can still get away literally with murder. And that is probably the side of Thailand I dislike the most. It's always been like that and it sure as he!! is not going to change under the present administration. Can and do get away with murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smutcakes Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Truly amazing the number of defendants who conveniently are too ill to appear in court, e.g. the Red Bull heir. I believe he had a sore throat or something. Heartening to see that justice has finally arrived in Thailand under the magnanimous rule of the junta leader!! At least even democrats are tried and redshirts too all for the same thing, encroachment. Hard to call it political. You are right about how many defendants are too ill to appear in court or go to jail just like the case of the bank officials made to give out loans to non performing companies by Thaksin. Also excuse after excuse about health. Its good to be real rich and powerful it does not matter on what side you are you will always be treated a lot better as the poor. I didn't try to make a political point, except to say that the rich and powerful (of all shirt colors) can still get away literally with murder. And that is probably the side of Thailand I dislike the most. It's always been like that and it sure as he!! is not going to change under the present administration. Only thing different under this administration is that they are being tried, seen far more cases like this then ever before. And I agree 100% Which begs the question, what have the judiciary being doing for the past 5 decades., and are they fit for their positions. The answer is obvious and the reason why no one in the International community gives much credence to the TS charges. I was at a talk recently with the private company anti corruption org and someone asked a similar question and his answer was that they are all corrupt and should be jailed. He did have a massive diamond ring on though. My view has always been, the judiciary should be the first organisation cleaned out and restarted. The police 'Could' be the best in the world but whats the point when they those trusted by the public to prosecute without prejudice can be corrupted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 I didn't try to make a political point, except to say that the rich and powerful (of all shirt colors) can still get away literally with murder. And that is probably the side of Thailand I dislike the most. It's always been like that and it sure as he!! is not going to change under the present administration. Only thing different under this administration is that they are being tried, seen far more cases like this then ever before. And I agree 100% Which begs the question, what have the judiciary being doing for the past 5 decades., and are they fit for their positions. The answer is obvious and the reason why no one in the International community gives much credence to the TS charges. I was at a talk recently with the private company anti corruption org and someone asked a similar question and his answer was that they are all corrupt and should be jailed. He did have a massive diamond ring on though. My view has always been, the judiciary should be the first organisation cleaned out and restarted. The police 'Could' be the best in the world but whats the point when they those trusted by the public to prosecute without prejudice can be corrupted. Your a funny guy acting like the charges against TS are fake, are you denying he tried to bribe judges with a cake box ? That one alone is so easy to prove. There are so many cases, like the bank case that was in the news. He was corrupt and your acting like he was not. Your really blinded. Also my point is that the current government is cleaning up never seen so many cases (too bad many cases they do appeal or out on bail). You might be right that judges need to be cleaned but the police and army too. That however does not mean that charges are fake. The cleaning should be much bigger but that would shake things up a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZurf Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 I didn't try to make a political point, except to say that the rich and powerful (of all shirt colors) can still get away literally with murder. And that is probably the side of Thailand I dislike the most. It's always been like that and it sure as he!! is not going to change under the present administration.Only thing different under this administration is that they are being tried, seen far more cases like this then ever before. And I agree 100% Which begs the question, what have the judiciary being doing for the past 5 decades., and are they fit for their positions. The answer is obvious and the reason why no one in the International community gives much credence to the TS charges. I was at a talk recently with the private company anti corruption org and someone asked a similar question and his answer was that they are all corrupt and should be jailed. He did have a massive diamond ring on though. My view has always been, the judiciary should be the first organisation cleaned out and restarted. The police 'Could' be the best in the world but whats the point when they those trusted by the public to prosecute without prejudice can be corrupted. Your a funny guy acting like the charges against TS are fake, are you denying he tried to bribe judges with a cake box ? That one alone is so easy to prove. There are so many cases, like the bank case that was in the news. He was corrupt and your acting like he was not. Your really blinded.Also my point is that the current government is cleaning up never seen so many cases (too bad many cases they do appeal or out on bail). You might be right that judges need to be cleaned but the police and army too. That however does not mean that charges are fake. The cleaning should be much bigger but that would shake things up a lot. I applaud every conviction of these corrupt b@stards, but as long as it doesn't start at the top it's just going to be for show. The day they start hauling in the really big fish is the day I will sing the praise of whatever government that is in charge - red, yellow or pink with polka dots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smutcakes Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 I didn't try to make a political point, except to say that the rich and powerful (of all shirt colors) can still get away literally with murder. And that is probably the side of Thailand I dislike the most. It's always been like that and it sure as he!! is not going to change under the present administration. Only thing different under this administration is that they are being tried, seen far more cases like this then ever before. And I agree 100% Which begs the question, what have the judiciary being doing for the past 5 decades., and are they fit for their positions. The answer is obvious and the reason why no one in the International community gives much credence to the TS charges. I was at a talk recently with the private company anti corruption org and someone asked a similar question and his answer was that they are all corrupt and should be jailed. He did have a massive diamond ring on though. My view has always been, the judiciary should be the first organisation cleaned out and restarted. The police 'Could' be the best in the world but whats the point when they those trusted by the public to prosecute without prejudice can be corrupted. Your a funny guy acting like the charges against TS are fake, are you denying he tried to bribe judges with a cake box ? That one alone is so easy to prove. There are so many cases, like the bank case that was in the news. He was corrupt and your acting like he was not. Your really blinded. Also my point is that the current government is cleaning up never seen so many cases (too bad many cases they do appeal or out on bail). You might be right that judges need to be cleaned but the police and army too. That however does not mean that charges are fake. The cleaning should be much bigger but that would shake things up a lot. Well if you would be happy sitting in a courtroom with a known corrupt and a judiciary that could be influenced then good luck to you. Most people would question whether that assures people of a fair trial (major understatement) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Only thing different under this administration is that they are being tried, seen far more cases like this then ever before. And I agree 100% Which begs the question, what have the judiciary being doing for the past 5 decades., and are they fit for their positions. The answer is obvious and the reason why no one in the International community gives much credence to the TS charges. I was at a talk recently with the private company anti corruption org and someone asked a similar question and his answer was that they are all corrupt and should be jailed. He did have a massive diamond ring on though. My view has always been, the judiciary should be the first organisation cleaned out and restarted. The police 'Could' be the best in the world but whats the point when they those trusted by the public to prosecute without prejudice can be corrupted. Your a funny guy acting like the charges against TS are fake, are you denying he tried to bribe judges with a cake box ? That one alone is so easy to prove. There are so many cases, like the bank case that was in the news. He was corrupt and your acting like he was not. Your really blinded. Also my point is that the current government is cleaning up never seen so many cases (too bad many cases they do appeal or out on bail). You might be right that judges need to be cleaned but the police and army too. That however does not mean that charges are fake. The cleaning should be much bigger but that would shake things up a lot. Well if you would be happy sitting in a courtroom with a known corrupt and a judiciary that could be influenced then good luck to you. Most people would question whether that assures people of a fair trial (major understatement) Just admit he was guilty, and stop your posturing. You are constantly trying to get this criminal off the hook. He bribed judges, he forced bank officials to give out billions in loans (bank officials are now doing time so he would certainly be convicted too if he had the balls to stand trial). He is a fugitive not exile, just a criminal on the run. Many cases against him all far more damaging as what he has been convicted for. The guy is one of the worst corrupt criminals of Thailand and your acting like he is innocent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smutcakes Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Your a funny guy acting like the charges against TS are fake, are you denying he tried to bribe judges with a cake box ? That one alone is so easy to prove. There are so many cases, like the bank case that was in the news. He was corrupt and your acting like he was not. Your really blinded. Also my point is that the current government is cleaning up never seen so many cases (too bad many cases they do appeal or out on bail). You might be right that judges need to be cleaned but the police and army too. That however does not mean that charges are fake. The cleaning should be much bigger but that would shake things up a lot. Well if you would be happy sitting in a courtroom with a known corrupt and a judiciary that could be influenced then good luck to you. Most people would question whether that assures people of a fair trial (major understatement) Just admit he was guilty, and stop your posturing. You are constantly trying to get this criminal off the hook. He bribed judges, he forced bank officials to give out billions in loans (bank officials are now doing time so he would certainly be convicted too if he had the balls to stand trial). He is a fugitive not exile, just a criminal on the run. Many cases against him all far more damaging as what he has been convicted for. The guy is one of the worst corrupt criminals of Thailand and your acting like he is innocent. What are you talking about, i have never ever said anywhere that TS is not corrupt ever, so what are you asking me to admit? I was simply pointing out that the judiciary have zero credibility, and as such any prosecution (especially against someone wealthy and hi so) will be met with skepticism. That does not mean they are innocent. If foreign govt only wanted to deal with clean people in Thailand, they may as well cut all diplomatic ties. Try reading the posts, instead of just seeing 'Thaksin' and spitting your dummy. I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Your a funny guy acting like the charges against TS are fake, are you denying he tried to bribe judges with a cake box ? That one alone is so easy to prove. There are so many cases, like the bank case that was in the news. He was corrupt and your acting like he was not. Your really blinded. Also my point is that the current government is cleaning up never seen so many cases (too bad many cases they do appeal or out on bail). You might be right that judges need to be cleaned but the police and army too. That however does not mean that charges are fake. The cleaning should be much bigger but that would shake things up a lot. Well if you would be happy sitting in a courtroom with a known corrupt and a judiciary that could be influenced then good luck to you. Most people would question whether that assures people of a fair trial (major understatement) Just admit he was guilty, and stop your posturing. You are constantly trying to get this criminal off the hook. He bribed judges, he forced bank officials to give out billions in loans (bank officials are now doing time so he would certainly be convicted too if he had the balls to stand trial). He is a fugitive not exile, just a criminal on the run. Many cases against him all far more damaging as what he has been convicted for. The guy is one of the worst corrupt criminals of Thailand and your acting like he is innocent. What are you talking about, i have never ever said anywhere that TS is not corrupt ever, so what are you asking me to admit? I was simply pointing out that the judiciary have zero credibility, and as such any prosecution (especially against someone wealthy and hi so) will be met with skepticism. That does not mean they are innocent. If foreign govt only wanted to deal with clean people in Thailand, they may as well cut all diplomatic ties. Try reading the posts, instead of just seeing 'Thaksin' and spitting your dummy. I I read your post and your constantly defending the guy, saying he does not go to court because he fears to be convicted even if innocent (that is what you imply with stating the judges are corrupt) Because if he is guilty it would not matter one bit if the judges are corrupt or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedtripler Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 "He can't go to the court yet. He cannot walk properly yet." Maybe he can use a "wheelchair." He may want to be sitting down anyways for the verdict. In Europe around 2 decades ago they decided it was a waste of money to bring culprits to court under armed guard for every little silly date their case is going to postponed AGAIN Why not do it by video link? I think it's done in USA like this too In some states Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapout Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 This indivadual as are most Thai involved in politics and even civil servents are unfit to be walking the streets with the honest, hard warking group of the people who have managed to eck out a existance in this backwater hub of dishonesty, and lawlessness. About the only reason the aforementioned has been successful is the stipudity and ignorance of those they are assigned the task of supervising, approving pay checks and doing business (involving funds) with private sector groups with similar morals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dageurreotype Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) Known as "Kamnan Sia." Thais aggrandizing these criminals. I've always thought the use of the names DrugLORD/WarLORD, in the West pretty silly too. And don't get me started on, haha, TSARs. Boys eh? Edited October 4, 2015 by dageurreotype Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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