CM Immigration makes strange Condominium visit ...

[Sam Jones]

Sorry if this have already been up or are in a wrong forum.

The owners and tennants in our Condominium have been asked to give copy of Passport + copy of Visa in Passport to Condo Manager before the end of the week. This is a request from CM Immigration.

According to Manager CM Immigration came in person and asked him to do this. They would not inform him how often this is gonna go on.

So is this only applying for CM or is it happening all over Thailand and what are they doing about foreigners in houses ?

[khwaibah]

Happing in spades Kap Choeng Immigration, Surin/Buraram provinces. All foreigners have to have a TM 30 or fines will be issued. Also all extensions for retirement are put under 30 day review same as marriage.

[OMGImInPattaya]

Probably related to tightening up on reporting on foreigners post Erawan Shrine bombing...though this has always been on the books.

[khwaibah]

They don't care if your married or retired, tourist visa or 30 day exempt. Your land lord will report you on a TM 30. Condo, home, guest house or cat house AND the local BIB'S are going about also verifying foreigners in their jursdiction. Welcome to the the club.

[Kitsune]

Probably related to tightening up on reporting on foreigners post Erawan Shrine bombing...though this has always been on the books.

No it's started way before the bombing.

[Maestro]

Just the enforcement of a law that has been in force since 1979, the Immigration Act. Nothing to with anybody staying in power.

[elviajero]

Nothing to worry about and it's happening in different parts of the country. They are visiting foreigners living in houses too.

Overstayers are the only ones that should be worried by these checks.

[khwaibah]

Nothing to worry about and it's happening in different parts of the country. They are visiting foreigners living in houses too.

Overstayers are the only ones that should be worried by these checks.

And those working illegally.

[elviajero]

Nothing to worry about and it's happening in different parts of the country. They are visiting foreigners living in houses too.

Overstayers are the only ones that should be worried by these checks.

And those working illegally.

True

[khwaibah]

Nothing to worry about and it's happening in different parts of the country. They are visiting foreigners living in houses too.

Overstayers are the only ones that should be worried by these checks.

And those working illegally.

True

Close to being the number 1 area in Thailand for this. Make you wonder.

[Eddy B]

My immigration office is in Nan and they have never mentioned the TM.30 form to me after 10 yrs of living in Thailand. Like some have mentioned I guess it all comes down to the head Immigration officer and what he has been told or chooses to enforce.

[Nemesis7]

I think the Govt wants to know or monitors foreigners. well why worry about it if we are not involved in any illegal activities.

[bubba]

So for the places where Immigration is checking for a passport copy and TM card on file, does this mean that each time you re-enter you must leave a copy of your new TM card with the manager?

[ronwparker]

Shows how insecure the Thai's are-most of the ceime inThailand is committed by Thais!

[khwaibah]

My immigration office is in Nan and they have never mentioned the TM.30 form to me after 10 yrs of living in Thailand. Like some have mentioned I guess it all comes down to the head Immigration officer and what he has been told or chooses to enforce.

Nan Immigration is in Division 5 and Chiang Mai is Division 5 headquarters. Standby.

[pogal]

Bangkok too, Ramkhamhaeng, first time in 15 years for me!
But no problem, they're just doing their job and were polite to me and even shook my hand goodbye with a smile.

[Kitsune]

Nothing to worry about and it's happening in different parts of the country. They are visiting foreigners living in houses too.

Overstayers are the only ones that should be worried by these checks.

And those working illegally.

True

And those whose neighbors say they beat their wives even though it's just hearsay

[ubonjoe]

My immigration office is in Nan and they have never mentioned the TM.30 form to me after 10 yrs of living in Thailand. Like some have mentioned I guess it all comes down to the head Immigration officer and what he has been told or chooses to enforce.

Same for me here in Ubon.

Did my 8th extension based upon marriage in August and it was not asked for. I guess the rental contract for the house we are renting plus a map to it and my wife's house book for our house up in the village is enough.

[Nowisee]

It would be great if while doing this they could process my 90 day "check in" and give me an appointment date/time for my retirement extension at the ever so busy CM Immi... hell, I'd even buy them a beer.

[springheeled jack]

your condominium manager should have all your particulars on file this is the law nothing new all apartment blocks and guest houses and hotels housing farangs are required by law to register same.

[Pattaya46]

Just the enforcement of a law that has been in force since 1979, the Immigration Act.

Not really. My understanding of the Immigration Act is that owners

who live in their house/condo are not concerned by the Section #38 reporting.

The OP said that they have to give copies of Passport & Visa too though... ??

[elviajero]

Just the enforcement of a law that has been in force since 1979, the Immigration Act.

Not really. My understanding of the Immigration Act is that owners

who live in their house/condo are not concerned by the Section #38 reporting.

The OP said that they have to give copies of Passport & Visa too though... ??

Foreigners that own and live in their own condo are responsible for complying with section 38 and submitting the form themselves.

The police (not only immigration) should keep a register of all foreigners living in their area. Since the bombing the police are under orders to check on expats and update their records.

[khwaibah]

Just the enforcement of a law that has been in force since 1979, the Immigration Act.

Not really. My understanding of the Immigration Act is that owners

who live in their house/condo are not concerned by the Section #38 reporting.

The OP said that they have to give copies of Passport & Visa too though... ??

Foreigners that own and live in their own condo are responsible for complying with section 38 and submitting the form themselves.

The police (not only immigration) should keep a register of all foreigners living in their area. Since the bombing the police are under orders to check on expats and update their records.

and the police being the local BIB's. They doing a very fine job in my area. This is a separate issue not to be confused with the immigration police.

[elviajero]

Just the enforcement of a law that has been in force since 1979, the Immigration Act.

Not really. My understanding of the Immigration Act is that owners

who live in their house/condo are not concerned by the Section #38 reporting.

The OP said that they have to give copies of Passport & Visa too though... ??

Foreigners that own and live in their own condo are responsible for complying with section 38 and submitting the form themselves.

The police (not only immigration) should keep a register of all foreigners living in their area. Since the bombing the police are under orders to check on expats and update their records.

and the police being the local BIB's. They doing a very fine job in my area. This is a separate issue not to be confused with the immigration police.

I think you're find the BIB's and immigration police are working together and these recent visits are a combined effort.

[ripstanley]

OP

If I were you I would contact Chiang Mai Immigration and confirm that this is a requirement. It seems strange to me that the head of immigration would visit a condominium requesting this information. A great way to obtain and sell personnal information.

Maybe left field but better to be sure than sorry.

[bazza40]

Nothing to worry about and it's happening in different parts of the country. They are visiting foreigners living in houses too.

Overstayers are the only ones that should be worried by these checks.

And those working illegally.

A couple of months ago, CM immigration descended on my condo - had a business operating on the ground floor, most of the employees without work permits. Of course, condo management horrified. Has been very quiet since, think the business folded.

[khwaibah]

Nothing to worry about and it's happening in different parts of the country. They are visiting foreigners living in houses too.

Overstayers are the only ones that should be worried by these checks.

And those working illegally.

A couple of months ago, CM immigration descended on my condo - had a business operating on the ground floor, most of the employees without work permits. Of course, condo management horrified. Has been very quiet since, think the business folded.

Something like this. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/794216-17-foreign-english-teachers-arrested-in-chiang-mai-for-working-illegally/

[Pattaya46]

Foreigners that own and live in their own condo are responsible for complying with section 38 and submitting the form themselves.

Let's be more precise.

- I own my condo

- I live here on a Extension based on Retirement

- I am the only "alien" in my condo

Do I have to fill a TM.30 for myself ?

(from http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/en/doc/Immigration_Act.pdf , Retirement is not in the Section #34 list)

[ubonjoe]

Foreigners that own and live in their own condo are responsible for complying with section 38 and submitting the form themselves.

Let's be more precise.

- I own my condo

- I live here on a Extension based on Retirement

- I am the only "alien" in my condo

Do I have to fill a TM.30 for myself ?

(from http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/en/doc/Immigration_Act.pdf , Retirement is not in the Section #34 list)

Retirement falls under the other category. That is why you start out with a non-o visa. The O means other.

Immigration want you to report yourself. I don't particularly agree with it but that is their decision.

[elviajero]

Foreigners that own and live in their own condo are responsible for complying with section 38 and submitting the form themselves.

Let's be more precise.

- I own my condo

- I live here on a Extension based on Retirement

- I am the only "alien" in my condo

Do I have to fill a TM.30 for myself ?

(from http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/en/doc/Immigration_Act.pdf , Retirement is not in the Section #34 list)

Yes.

Retirement extensions would probably come under section 34: 15. But that's not relevant. Section 38 requires the house-master or owner or possessor to submit the TM30 notify when a foreigner stays in a property more than 24 hours regardless of their visa status.