Today my thai daughter and me went to Sriracha immigration I tried to extend[retirement extension] my stay for another year without success but prepared also all documents for extension of stay thai dependent.I was reading here in the forum if you combine monthly pension[62500bt and account deposit[ 60000bt] and have 800000Bt per year its good enough and the the deposit in the bank MUST NOT BE SEASONED[deposited 60000bt a few days ago] for retirement extension.

Big mistake!!!!

The Big boss of Sriracha immigration told me the deposit in bank MUST BE SEASONED FOR 90DAYS.and every immigration in Thailand works the same way.When I told him BKK,Pattaya and other immigration have different rules he started shouting to me.I shouted back telling him if every immigration in Thailand would work with the same rules all would be fine.Then I told him I cancel my retirement extension and change to extension of stay because supporting my Thai daughter.I live alone in Thailand with my daughter since 7years.Mr.big boss shouted to me he will give me 60 days to visit my daughter,i shouted back I want one year.

I have all required documents[thai family court etc.]Then he asked my daughter with raised voice if she is my daughter,my daughter answered "my father just told you I'm his daughter,why do you scream and why you don't use nice language?"At that time immigration was full with other foreigner and thais and probably 10-12 other immigration officers.Every officer raised the head and looked at my daughter and one male officer screamed to my daughter"why you talk like that,here is Thailand and you should respect Thai people[i guess because she is young girl she has to listen to the older thai male immigration officer".When he finished screaming I told him"Hey,you are immigration officer and not the father of my daughter,you don't tell her what to do or say"At that time my daughter was crying already and when he and other immigration officers talked to her she shut down already and just ignored them.Since my daughter did not want to talk to them the immigration officer told me to move the seat to the waiting seats.I asked him why but he didn't tell me.

After 15-20 min same immigration officer what screamed at my daughter asked us to sit in front of his desk.He asked me what I want and I told him,then he started asking for documents,1.my passport2.copy of picture page of my passport and other stamps3.pension letter from embassy.4.photos of me and my daughter in our rented house and in front of our house with visible house number5. map where to find our house.6. copy of id card daughter,well actually first question was"where is your wife"?I was never married and mother of my daughter does not live with us.7.birth certificate my daughter,I showed him also documents from Chonburi family court and our home Amper that I'm the father of my daughter by thai law.8.house book where my daughter is registred

no8 I could not provide because in the past a copy of my daughters house papers were enough.So he told me my documents are incomplete and he can't issue me an extension of stay based on I support my thai daughter,but he can give me 60 days extension for visiting my daughter.I said"I don't visit my daughter,my daughter lives with me"He said "if you don't want it I can't help you"I said" Ok I'm stubborn but you are in better position"

End of story I ended up with 60days extension for visiting my daughter what lives with me since 7 years.

I know all tv experts will think"what an idiot"I don't care,I'm 52 and i'm tired with all that immigration shit,every few month they change the rules,every immigration has different rules,i will not kiss their As.....anymore.Today I took my daughter for the first time in her life to an immigration office,when I asked her at home how did she like it she just said"What a terrible place and terrible people"and yes I know if I don't like it i can go,well I can't it's not easy like that.One immigration officer said"farang baa"No.I'm not baa I'm just tired with all that Immigration shit,every year it's getting more difficult to get a visa or extension.I know in the future immigration Sriracha will make my life bad,but I don't care,I'm angry today but I feel good,because I told them all what I needed to tell,and the good thing about all that,now my daughter know what shit I have to go through every year and hopefully this makes her to leave Thailand with me

sorry for bad english,I'm not native english speaker

At least you have 60 days to sort out the right paperwork for the 1 year extension!

i thought you only got 60 days for having a thai dependant, also does the application not have to be sent to bangkok to actually agree to.

maybe am wrong....

Yes you are correct,but this is not the point.Maybe for immigration Sriracha my documents not enough for another immigration good enough or more than needed.I'm tired,really tired.I don't want treatment like I'm a thief or beggar,I'm not.yes I want sit on your lap and get a kiss,just tired,vety tired.GUess the current "mein fuehrer" government doesn't make things better

Very true that Immigration offices have their own rules, but reminds me of your Embassy in Bangkok (German), they have their own rules which are against the rules of the EU, it is just a case of take it or leave it.

Gruß aus München....

It seems you received the maximum you were entitled to under their rules. Given that you were not prepared to ask them nicely if they could stretch a point over some that are grey areas, I do not see why you would expect any more. The immigration officers who screamed at you and your daughter were obviously low class, but you lowering yourself to their level should not make you feel good. IMHO, you gave a bad example to your daughter on how to behave.

The arbitrary rules (and arbitrary application of them) by some immigration offices is aggravating. However, you either play the game under their rules or go somewhere where the game is more to your liking.

my liking would be every immigration in THailand works with the same rules.Now im 52 and dont have the patience anymore 15years ago..Also I didn't go there for attitude adjustment for my daughter.One day I will be gone and I know daughter will have problems the way(westernstyle) she is.I taught her to speak up if she thinks something wrong

It seems you received the maximum you were entitled to under their rules. Given that you were not prepared to ask them nicely if they could stretch a point over some that are grey areas, I do not see why you would expect any more. The immigration officers who screamed at you and your daughter were obviously low class, but you lowering yourself to their level should not make you feel good. IMHO, you gave a bad example to your daughter on how to behave.

The arbitrary rules (and arbitrary application of them) by some immigration offices is aggravating. However, you either play the game under their rules or go somewhere where the game is more to your liking.

It is not that easy.if for my liking I wouldn 't be here

Edited October 9, 201510 yr by ubonjoe

It is not that easy.if for my liking I wouldn 't be here

I am slightly sympathetic. I appreciate, if your daughter is in school, you do not have the freedom to move on a whim. Also, self important officials can be very tiresome. However, look at this objectively. Once a year, you need to jump through hoops to satisfy the ego of some petty bureaucrat. The alternative is the risk of putting yourself, and your daughter, through a world of hurt. Perhaps, it is not just the immigration officials that have an ego problem.

It is not that easy.if for my liking I wouldn 't be here

I am slightly sympathetic. I appreciate, if your daughter is in school, you do not have the freedom to move on a whim. Also, self important officials can be very tiresome. However, look at this objectively. Once a year, you need to jump through hoops to satisfy the ego of some petty bureaucrat. The alternative is the risk of putting yourself, and your daughter, through a world of hurt. Perhaps, it is not just the immigration officials that have an ego problem.

I do agree. You just have to keep your cool, if necessary I have decided to just about heel and walk out the building and leave it for another day.

But, we are human, a point often forgotten on this forum, and we all have our breaking points. It's often a small straw that breaks the camel's back, and dealing with Thai immigration presents a whole bale.

Living in Thailand is perhaps easier for some than others,eg, well heeled retiree aloof to life vs struggling parent. I know who has my sympathy.

my liking would be every immigration in THailand works with the same rules.Now im 52 and dont have the patience anymore 15years ago..Also I didn't go there for attitude adjustment for my daughter.One day I will be gone and I know daughter will have problems the way(westernstyle) she is.I taught her to speak up if she thinks something wrong

"I taught her to speak up if she thinks something wrong "

And how's that working for you?

If she behave's like an angry German in Thailand she definitely will have problems.

Edited October 8, 201510 yr by Suradit69

Very true that Immigration offices have their own rules, but reminds me of your Embassy in Bangkok (German), they have their own rules which are against the rules of the EU, it is just a case of take it or leave it.

Gruß aus München....

Well I'd take an educated guess that any foreigner in Germany (and UK) who is married, or who has a German kid, would have reasonable opportunity to gain a passport or at least a long leave to remain, without being subject to a rather demeaning renewal process on a regular basis, and finally only to receive a poxy temporary extension.

Personally I would not have taken my daughter there in the first place especially as we all know immigration offices can be stressful. Secondly why shout take a chill pill sticks and stones ect ect. Thirdly I will reserve judgment as we only have your side of the story maybe some of the people in there you mention are on this forum and can verify the version of events.

But in any case smile say please and thank you it gets you a long way here so I've found

In the old days you could just go to another Immigration office. Nowadays.....were stuck. If your planning on staying in that area. I would go back asap, alone and apologize. Just to cover yourself and think of doing it for your kid. Thais get over things fast.....He may end up helping you in the end.

He was probably looking for a 'Back Hander'' to get your Retirement VIsa...

This is horrible.

Abuse of power is really bad.

Treating people like dirt pond just because you can is disgusting.

Doing it in front of a child is the lowest.

Abusing a 12 years old child is beyond revolting.

my liking would be every immigration in THailand works with the same rules.Now im 52 and dont have the patience anymore 15years ago..Also I didn't go there for attitude adjustment for my daughter.One day I will be gone and I know daughter will have problems the way(westernstyle) she is.I taught her to speak up if she thinks something wrong

It should be obvious to you and everyone else on this forum that the combination of a pension and money in the bank should be exactly as they said i.e. the money in the bank should be there for three months. If not then anybody could set up a simple pension with a bank or broker paying as little as 5000 baht per month giving a total of 60,000 Bt a year and then put 740,000 in the bank for a few days days( by borrowing it from a friend perhaps) and then expect to get a yearly retirement Visa extension.

It is true that some immigration officers are very easy-going and don't apply the rules very strictly and some do. You are at fault and my experiences that you should have everything strictly covered and it is quite clear what is needed for any type of visa. You should also know that in Thailand whatever happens you should keep your cool be very polite and nice whatever happens and you will never have any trouble.

Personally I would not have taken my daughter there in the first place especially as we all know immigration offices can be stressful. Secondly why shout take a chill pill sticks and stones ect ect. Thirdly I will reserve judgment as we only have your side of the story maybe some of the people in there you mention are on this forum and can verify the version of events.

But in any case smile say please and thank you it gets you a long way here so I've found

That's it then ? in the absence of any rights whatsoever there is a magic trick just smile! and all will be magically solved. This isn't Fraggle Rock immigration you know!

The OP appears to have told the story warts and all including quite a few of his own mistakes. You don't believe him Pollyana ?

Personally I would not have taken my daughter there in the first place especially as we all know immigration offices can be stressful. Secondly why shout take a chill pill sticks and stones ect ect. Thirdly I will reserve judgment as we only have your side of the story maybe some of the people in there you mention are on this forum and can verify the version of events.

But in any case smile say please and thank you it gets you a long way here so I've found

That's it then ? in the absence of any rights whatsoever there is a magic trick just smile! and all will be magically solved. This isn't Fraggle Rock immigration you know!

The OP appears to have told the story warts and all including quite a few of his own mistakes. You don't believe him Pollyana ?

As I said I reserve judgment till both sides are heard sorry if that doesn't fit your agenda nanny mcphee

my liking would be every immigration in THailand works with the same rules.Now im 52 and dont have the patience anymore 15years ago..Also I didn't go there for attitude adjustment for my daughter.One day I will be gone and I know daughter will have problems the way(westernstyle) she is.I taught her to speak up if she thinks something wrong

It should be obvious to you and everyone else on this forum that the combination of a pension and money in the bank should be exactly as they said i.e. the money in the bank should be there for three months. If not then anybody could set up a simple pension with a bank or broker paying as little as 5000 baht per month giving a total of 60,000 Bt a year and then put 740,000 in the bank for a few days days( by borrowing it from a friend perhaps) and then expect to get a yearly retirement Visa extension.

It is true that some immigration officers are very easy-going and don't apply the rules very strictly and some do. You are at fault and my experiences that you should have everything strictly covered and it is quite clear what is needed for any type of visa. You should also know that in Thailand whatever happens you should keep your cool be very polite and nice whatever happens and you will never have any trouble.

You are incorrect about the national rules for combo method retirement extensions (income letter plus banked money). Based on written rules which should be applied NATIONALLY, there is absolutely no money seasoning required for the bank portion when using the combo method. The seasoning is needed for the pure bank method (800K) at two months for the first extension and three months for subsequent extensions. The officer who claimed he was following national rules was clearly MISINFORMED. He is enforcing in a NON-STANDARD way. That said, we do know SOME offices do not follow the national rule. The trick is knowing whether your LOCAL office does or not.

Cheers.

As far as the story in the OP, perhaps just perhaps this could have been resolved better without screaming and without denials. When told that office enforces that way, obviously SCREAMING was not the wise response. I have read here there is a way to complain about NON-STANDARD enforcement and potentially get some corrective action which you can find out about by posting here. Whether this would have resolved the retirement extension situation in this case, I don't know and wouldn't bet on, but SCREAMING is always going to make things worse. I can understand the human frustration that leads to SCREAMING, really I do.

Edited October 8, 201510 yr by Jingthing

Personally I would not have taken my daughter there in the first place especially as we all know immigration offices can be stressful. Secondly why shout take a chill pill sticks and stones ect ect. Thirdly I will reserve judgment as we only have your side of the story maybe some of the people in there you mention are on this forum and can verify the version of events.

But in any case smile say please and thank you it gets you a long way here so I've found

That's it then ? in the absence of any rights whatsoever there is a magic trick just smile! and all will be magically solved. This isn't Fraggle Rock immigration you know!

The OP appears to have told the story warts and all including quite a few of his own mistakes. You don't believe him Pollyana ?

As I said I reserve judgment till both sides are heard sorry if that doesn't fit your agenda nanny mcphee

Can't wait for the immigration official to step forward, sure to happen, and why I bet they'll be at least half a dozen Thai Visa users posting their sworn testimony any time soon.

Cop out statement, it is clear you have made your judgement.

my liking would be every immigration in THailand works with the same rules.Now im 52 and dont have the patience anymore 15years ago..Also I didn't go there for attitude adjustment for my daughter.One day I will be gone and I know daughter will have problems the way(westernstyle) she is.I taught her to speak up if she thinks something wrong

It should be obvious to you and everyone else on this forum that the combination of a pension and money in the bank should be exactly as they said i.e. the money in the bank should be there for three months. If not then anybody could set up a simple pension with a bank or broker paying as little as 5000 baht per month giving a total of 60,000 Bt a year and then put 740,000 in the bank for a few days days( by borrowing it from a friend perhaps) and then expect to get a yearly retirement Visa extension.

It is true that some immigration officers are very easy-going and don't apply the rules very strictly and some do. You are at fault and my experiences that you should have everything strictly covered and it is quite clear what is needed for any type of visa. You should also know that in Thailand whatever happens you should keep your cool be very polite and nice whatever happens and you will never have any trouble.

You are incorrect about the national rules for combo method retirement extensions (income letter plus banked money). Based on written rules which should be applied NATIONALLY, there is absolutely no money seasoning required for the bank portion when using the combo method. The seasoning is needed for the pure bank method (800K) at two months for the first extension and three months for subsequent extensions. The officer who claimed he was following national rules was clearly MISINFORMED. He is enforcing in a NON-STANDARD way. That said, we do know SOME offices do not follow the national rule. The trick is knowing whether your LOCAL office does or not.

Cheers.

As far as the story in the OP, perhaps just perhaps this could have been resolved better without screaming and without denials. When told that office enforces that way, obviously SCREAMING was not the wise response. I have read here there is a way to complain about NON-STANDARD enforcement and potentially get some corrective action which you can find out about by posting here. Whether this would have resolved the retirement extension situation in this case, I don't know and wouldn't bet on, but SCREAMING is always going to make things worse. I can understand the human frustration that leads to SCREAMING, really I do.

Good informative posting.

Why all the "SCREAMING" ?

my liking would be every immigration in THailand works with the same rules.Now im 52 and dont have the patience anymore 15years ago..Also I didn't go there for attitude adjustment for my daughter.One day I will be gone and I know daughter will have problems the way(westernstyle) she is.I taught her to speak up if she thinks something wrong

"I taught her to speak up if she thinks something wrong "

And how's that working for you?

If she behave's like an angry German in Thailand she definitely will have problems.

that means if the teacher says 5+5=11 then she should speak up,I guess u never stayed in thai so I forgive you your totally stupid comment,if you don't like germans because of champions league ,or if you from Australia that's just fine,I give you the "do not go to prison monopoly card

It's a shame that there wasn't a friendly supervisor there to intercede. I can very well understand your frustration. Perhaps some official was there who could hve told the IO that under the combo method, the money in the bank didn't have to be seasoned

Well, it's entirely possible that even though incorrect based on national rules that it is the set policy of that office to enforce that way. So others who use that office might hopefully might be informed about this and be prepared to meet their outlying policies.

I suppose it would be nice of we had a pinned chart of all immigration offices with known enforcement oddities noted. It would quite a task to keep that accurately updated though.

Maybe you could have another go at getting an extension for retirement in about 30 days. Be sure to have your ducks in a row with a copy of the combo method regulation. Ubonjoe can tell you where to find it. PM him if you need to. If the IO turns your extension, you could ask to appeal to a supervisor. Good luck.

It would be better particularly in this case of so much SCREAMING to show up with an application with the funds seasoned as they incorrectly require.

How much nicer everything could have been if the OP had asked the Immigration Officer , quietly and politely for assistance with his dilemma.

Losing one's temper rarely achieves much, whether in Thailand or elsewhere.

I think he was going to be denied anyway that day at that office on the retirement extension seasoning issue. Polite or screaming.

I think he was going to be denied anyway that day at that office on the retirement extension seasoning issue. Polite or screaming.

Maybe.

But what did "screaming " achieve ?

Apart from ensuring that every future application will be examined in minute detail?