Russia denies US claims cruise missiles malfunctioned over Iran

[Lite Beer]

Russia denies US claims cruise missiles malfunctioned over Iran

Twenty six cruise missiles were fired from four Russian ships on the Caspian sea. The attack has sparked an information war with the US.

Washington believes four crashed into Iran underling the dangers of the Russian operation. That initial view was tempered when the US defence secretary Ash Carter spoke for the first time in public about the attack at a press conference in London.

“About the Iranian impacts of cruise missiles, we did have some indications that that was the case and if so that would indicate malfunctions of those missiles,” he told reporters.

The fact the missiles flew over Iran and Iraq heightens Russia’s growing influence in the region say commentators. Moscow was swift to deny there was any malfunction with them.

In the latest air strikes Russia’s Defence Ministry said its planes hit the headquarters of the Liwa al-Haqq militant group in Syria killing 200 insurgents. It also said its planes had killed a further 100 insurgents in separate attacks in the Aleppo region. But Carter insisted the Russian operation is risky.

“As we have seen in the last few days, Russia’s actions in Syria carry risks both to the region and to Russia itself. Their strategy in Syria is fundamentally flawed,” he said.

French Rafael jets were also in action targeting an ISIL training camp in the militant group’s stronghold of Raqqa. The French Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said Russian strikes were not hitting the insurgents but mostly President Bashar al-Assad’s opponents.

-- (c) Copyright Euronews 2015-10-09

[craigt3365]

Interesting comment from a Russian official on this:

http://www.vox.com/2015/10/8/9482023/russia-missiles-iran-crash

"We are basically novices in this type of war," said Ruslan Pukhov, a defense expert and director of the Moscow-based Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, in an interview. "And when you are a novice, you are doomed to commit some kinds of mistakes. Hopefully not deadly ones, but obviously there is a risk of casualties."

[FangFerang]

I am no big fan of the Russian government, but competition is good for everyone.

NATO should get out of the empire-building process.

[Publicus]

From the OP:

"The French Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said Russian strikes were not hitting the insurgents but mostly President Bashar al-Assads opponents."

Assad and Putin want to destroy the rebel opposition then go to Geneva for talks with the only choice being Assad or ISIS. Trouble for the A&P tag team is ISIS isn't cooperating either.

Russia is looking at a long haul in Syria.

[does]

On American saying about the Russions: "Their strategy in Syria is fundamentally flawed".

He should know: US strategy in the region has been grande. Ask any refugee flooding into the Europe today.

[Expat1]

To date the USG nor CNN, et al, has given any real proof of the accusation only unsubtantiated statements. RT news chased down the reporter guy that first voiced this situation, the British online investigative group Bellingcat, Eliot Higgins, and he ran and hid. Not an overly credible source. It seems that the USG wants to deflect attention from their own screwups by pointing the finger at others (one of their now time honored traditional practices) also there is no proof as yet. Since CNN, Fox, WSJ all fabricate their own news and are so bad at it they continually get caught out, I agree with the Russkies, enough with innuendo...show evidence. Is this like the WMD in Iraq? I don't really care if these missiles crashed or not but, I do care though that the USG is showing itself to be so ever more anal that they need to resort to this type of high school nonsense if not true. This isn't realpolitik this childish. So put up or shut up.

[oneday]

"...Moscow was swift to deny there was any malfunction with them..."

Well let's do just a tiny bit of logical thinking here.

Any country (US being a prime example) that has good satellite coverage over this war torn area can EASILY determine if missiles have landed in Iran so let's take that as a given. That leaves us with 3 possibilities; either the missile was programmed on purpose to hit Iran or it was programmed wrong or it malfunctioned. I'll give the Russians this; I doubt they programmed it to hit Iran on purpose.

[oneday]

On American saying about the Russions: "Their strategy in Syria is fundamentally flawed".

He should know: US strategy in the region has been grande. Ask any refugee flooding into the Europe today.

So you think the US is responsible for all this. Wow, how deluded and sad you are.

This war was started by a rebellion against a horrible dictator, Bashar al-Assad. I'm proud of my country for helping the rebels, though it is a bit dicey since some of those rebels are considered by some to be or could be terrorists given different circumstances. And as far as ISIS goes. If you think they should just be allowed to run around decapitating and terrorizing people and destroying 1000 year old world treasures, well then what a sad individual you are.

So Russian comes in to directly support the dictator Bashar al-Assad by targeting the rebels fighting against him and to a much lessor extent ISIS. The flaw the US is talking about is Russia supporting Bashar al-Assad. It's that simple. But now we have Russia firing cruise missiles over Iran and some of those missiles are falling in Iran. That's a little flaw also.

You believe what you want because you and many others like you are disposed to always think the US is in the wrong, the US is horrible and the US is the Great Satan.

Sometimes I do think we should just close our borders and let the rest of the world fend for itself. You might jump for joy, but after a time I don't think you would like the result.

Edited October 10, 2015 by oneday

[h90]

From the OP:

"The French Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said Russian strikes were not hitting the insurgents but mostly President Bashar al-Assads opponents."

Assad and Putin want to destroy the rebel opposition then go to Geneva for talks with the only choice being Assad or ISIS. Trouble for the A&P tag team is ISIS isn't cooperating either.

Russia is looking at a long haul in Syria.

The "opposition" is Al Quaida....They are just as religious fanatics as ISIS. If they get into power they'll kill all Christians and moderate Muslims in Syria

[h90]

On American saying about the Russions: "Their strategy in Syria is fundamentally flawed".

He should know: US strategy in the region has been grande. Ask any refugee flooding into the Europe today.

So you think the US is responsible for all this. Wow, how deluded and sad you are.

This war was started by a rebellion against a horrible dictator, Bashar al-Assad. I'm proud of my country for helping the rebels, though it is a bit dicey since some of those rebels are considered by some to be or could be terrorists given different circumstances. And as far as ISIS goes. If you think they should just be allowed to run around decapitating and terrorizing people and destroying 1000 year old world treasures, well then what a sad individual you are.

So Russian comes in to directly support the dictator Bashar al-Assad by targeting the rebels fighting against him and to a much lessor extent ISIS. The flaw the US is talking about is Russia supporting Bashar al-Assad. It's that simple. But now we have Russia firing cruise missiles over Iran and some of those missiles are falling in Iran. That's a little flaw also.

You believe what you want because you and many others like you are disposed to always think the US is in the wrong, the US is horrible and the US is the Great Satan.

Sometimes I do think we should just close our borders and let the rest of the world fend for itself. You might jump for joy, but after a time I don't think you would like the result.

So the liberal socialist Assad who made evil things like free education, women rights and health care, will be replaced by the humanist Al Quaida rebels. I am proud that my country is to insignificant to help the extremists.

Without America, we would have a stable Iraq, Afghanistan without narcotic exports and a stable Libya. And no refugees in Europe. I think I would like that. And the mothers of the dead US soldiers would also like to not have lost their sons for useless wars.

[craigt3365]

So the liberal socialist Assad who made evil things like free education, women rights and health care, will be replaced by the humanist Al Quaida rebels. I am proud that my country is to insignificant to help the extremists.

Without America, we would have a stable Iraq, Afghanistan without narcotic exports and a stable Libya. And no refugees in Europe. I think I would like that. And the mothers of the dead US soldiers would also like to not have lost their sons for useless wars.

You mean the Assad who used chemical weapons on his own people? And brutally killed protesters that were against him? If you do a bit of research, you'll find these rebels were forced into alliances with AQ and ISIS to help them in their battle against Assad.

Iraq was never stable. And neither was Afghanistan and Libya. Unfortunate for some, you can't blame the US for all the world's problems. Others are in this mess stirring things up also. Like Iran, Russia, etc. A more balanced view would be interesting....

[Barin]

To date the USG nor CNN, et al, has given any real proof of the accusation only unsubtantiated statements. RT news chased down the reporter guy that first voiced this situation, the British online investigative group Bellingcat, Eliot Higgins, and he ran and hid. Not an overly credible source. It seems that the USG wants to deflect attention from their own screwups by pointing the finger at others (one of their now time honored traditional practices) also there is no proof as yet. Since CNN, Fox, WSJ all fabricate their own news and are so bad at it they continually get caught out, I agree with the Russkies, enough with innuendo...show evidence. Is this like the WMD in Iraq? I don't really care if these missiles crashed or not but, I do care though that the USG is showing itself to be so ever more anal that they need to resort to this type of high school nonsense if not true. This isn't realpolitik this childish. So put up or shut up.

Yes, it is absolutely right. I do totally agree with you!

“About the Iranian impacts of cruise missiles, we did have some indications that that was the case and if so that would indicate malfunctions of those missiles,” he told reporters.

... we did have some indications ...

[Barin]

"...Moscow was swift to deny there was any malfunction with them..."

Well let's do just a tiny bit of logical thinking here.

Any country (US being a prime example) that has good satellite coverage over this war torn area can EASILY determine if missiles have landed in Iran so let's take that as a given. That leaves us with 3 possibilities; either the missile was programmed on purpose to hit Iran or it was programmed wrong or it malfunctioned. I'll give the Russians this; I doubt they programmed it to hit Iran on purpose.

No, it is clear as daylight that no any missiles have landed in Iran! This is a piece of American propaganda, without any proof as always.

You are absolutely right in saying that :

Any country (US being a prime example) that has good satellite coverage over this war torn area can EASILY determine if missiles have landed in Iran

However there is only one country (namely USA) who is claiming this fact. This is a serious accusation, why not provide a proof?

Why not show the satellite images?

[Thaidream]

No doubt about it- America has to share some of the blame for the disaster in the Middle East. A failed policy by several American Administrations has led to this state of Affairs. It is time for America to go home. Get out of Iraq, Afghan and Syria. The Russians want to flex their muscles. Let them. The best American policy would be to let the Russians spend their money and their lives and then both Assad and the Russians can take care of ISIS. The World wants the Americans to die for them and then criticize them when the policy goes awry. If Europe doesn't like it- they can also send their forces and their people to die. The money saved from withdrawing from this senseless adventure can be spent to help Americans not ungrateful others.

[Barin]

On American saying about the Russions: "Their strategy in Syria is fundamentally flawed".

He should know: US strategy in the region has been grande. Ask any refugee flooding into the Europe today.

So you think the US is responsible for all this. Wow, how deluded and sad you are.

This war was started by a rebellion against a horrible dictator, Bashar al-Assad. I'm proud of my country for helping the rebels, though it is a bit dicey since some of those rebels are considered by some to be or could be terrorists given different circumstances. And as far as ISIS goes. If you think they should just be allowed to run around decapitating and terrorizing people and destroying 1000 year old world treasures, well then what a sad individual you are.

So Russian comes in to directly support the dictator Bashar al-Assad by targeting the rebels fighting against him and to a much lessor extent ISIS. The flaw the US is talking about is Russia supporting Bashar al-Assad. It's that simple. But now we have Russia firing cruise missiles over Iran and some of those missiles are falling in Iran. That's a little flaw also.

You believe what you want because you and many others like you are disposed to always think the US is in the wrong, the US is horrible and the US is the Great Satan.

Sometimes I do think we should just close our borders and let the rest of the world fend for itself. You might jump for joy, but after a time I don't think you would like the result.

So the liberal socialist Assad who made evil things like free education, women rights and health care, will be replaced by the humanist Al Quaida rebels. I am proud that my country is to insignificant to help the extremists.

Without America, we would have a stable Iraq, Afghanistan without narcotic exports and a stable Libya. And no refugees in Europe. I think I would like that. And the mothers of the dead US soldiers would also like to not have lost their sons for useless wars.

Yes, I totally agree with you.

It looks as if America did not learn any lessons from the Vietnam War?

Does America want another "Vietnam War" (to be called the "Syrian War")?

[Nice Boyd]

On American saying about the Russions: "Their strategy in Syria is fundamentally flawed".

He should know: US strategy in the region has been grande. Ask any refugee flooding into the Europe today.

So you think the US is responsible for all this. Wow, how deluded and sad you are.

This war was started by a rebellion against a horrible dictator, Bashar al-Assad. I'm proud of my country for helping the rebels, though it is a bit dicey since some of those rebels are considered by some to be or could be terrorists given different circumstances. And as far as ISIS goes. If you think they should just be allowed to run around decapitating and terrorizing people and destroying 1000 year old world treasures, well then what a sad individual you are.

So Russian comes in to directly support the dictator Bashar al-Assad by targeting the rebels fighting against him and to a much lessor extent ISIS. The flaw the US is talking about is Russia supporting Bashar al-Assad. It's that simple. But now we have Russia firing cruise missiles over Iran and some of those missiles are falling in Iran. That's a little flaw also.

You believe what you want because you and many others like you are disposed to always think the US is in the wrong, the US is horrible and the US is the Great Satan.

Sometimes I do think we should just close our borders and let the rest of the world fend for itself. You might jump for joy, but after a time I don't think you would like the result.

I think USA should Isolate itself, we have the resources, enuff of policing the World.

[Credo]

For those who hadn't noticed, the current US Administration has drawn back greatly on involvement in world conflict areas. The general US policy is to protect US interests abroad. With the US drawing back, it doesn't seem to be getting much better, though.

[Nice Boyd]

"...Moscow was swift to deny there was any malfunction with them..."

Well let's do just a tiny bit of logical thinking here.

Any country (US being a prime example) that has good satellite coverage over this war torn area can EASILY determine if missiles have landed in Iran so let's take that as a given. That leaves us with 3 possibilities; either the missile was programmed on purpose to hit Iran or it was programmed wrong or it malfunctioned. I'll give the Russians this; I doubt they programmed it to hit Iran on purpose.

No, it is clear as daylight that no any missiles have landed in Iran! This is a piece of American propaganda, without any proof as always.

You are absolutely right in saying that :

Any country (US being a prime example) that has good satellite coverage over this war torn area can EASILY determine if missiles have landed in Iran

However there is only one country (namely USA) who is claiming this fact. This is a serious accusation, why not provide a proof?

Why not show the satellite images?

You sound like Putiny's Right Hand Man with all your Rhetoric...Propaganda Slogans

[Barin]

So the liberal socialist Assad who made evil things like free education, women rights and health care, will be replaced by the humanist Al Quaida rebels. I am proud that my country is to insignificant to help the extremists.

Without America, we would have a stable Iraq, Afghanistan without narcotic exports and a stable Libya. And no refugees in Europe. I think I would like that. And the mothers of the dead US soldiers would also like to not have lost their sons for useless wars.

You mean the Assad who used chemical weapons on his own people? And brutally killed protesters that were against him? If you do a bit of research, you'll find these rebels were forced into alliances with AQ and ISIS to help them in their battle against Assad.

Iraq was never stable. And neither was Afghanistan and Libya. Unfortunate for some, you can't blame the US for all the world's problems. Others are in this mess stirring things up also. Like Iran, Russia, etc. A more balanced view would be interesting....

If America would not have poked its nose into the internal affairs of many independent states acting as a self appointed World Policeman there would not have been any need to blame America on the consequences of such actions.

America is not the center of the world (surprise, surprise)...

The balance of forces on our Planet is shifting towards Asia nowadays.

[Nice Boyd]

On American saying about the Russions: "Their strategy in Syria is fundamentally flawed".

He should know: US strategy in the region has been grande. Ask any refugee flooding into the Europe today.

So you think the US is responsible for all this. Wow, how deluded and sad you are.

This war was started by a rebellion against a horrible dictator, Bashar al-Assad. I'm proud of my country for helping the rebels, though it is a bit dicey since some of those rebels are considered by some to be or could be terrorists given different circumstances. And as far as ISIS goes. If you think they should just be allowed to run around decapitating and terrorizing people and destroying 1000 year old world treasures, well then what a sad individual you are.

So Russian comes in to directly support the dictator Bashar al-Assad by targeting the rebels fighting against him and to a much lessor extent ISIS. The flaw the US is talking about is Russia supporting Bashar al-Assad. It's that simple. But now we have Russia firing cruise missiles over Iran and some of those missiles are falling in Iran. That's a little flaw also.

You believe what you want because you and many others like you are disposed to always think the US is in the wrong, the US is horrible and the US is the Great Satan.

Sometimes I do think we should just close our borders and let the rest of the world fend for itself. You might jump for joy, but after a time I don't think you would like the result.

So the liberal socialist Assad who made evil things like free education, women rights and health care, will be replaced by the humanist Al Quaida rebels. I am proud that my country is to insignificant to help the extremists.

Without America, we would have a stable Iraq, Afghanistan without narcotic exports and a stable Libya. And no refugees in Europe. I think I would like that. And the mothers of the dead US soldiers would also like to not have lost their sons for useless wars.

Yes, I totally agree with you.

It looks as if America did not learn any lessons from the Vietnam War?

Does America want another "Vietnam War" (to be called the "Syrian War")?

Looks like The Reds didn't learn anything in Afghanistan, Either...

[Barin]

No doubt about it- America has to share some of the blame for the disaster in the Middle East. A failed policy by several American Administrations has led to this state of Affairs. It is time for America to go home. Get out of Iraq, Afghan and Syria. The Russians want to flex their muscles. Let them. The best American policy would be to let the Russians spend their money and their lives and then both Assad and the Russians can take care of ISIS. The World wants the Americans to die for them and then criticize them when the policy goes awry. If Europe doesn't like it- they can also send their forces and their people to die. The money saved from withdrawing from this senseless adventure can be spent to help Americans not ungrateful others.

Yes, this is a very good and balanced point of view!

[Publicus]

On American saying about the Russions: "Their strategy in Syria is fundamentally flawed".

He should know: US strategy in the region has been grande. Ask any refugee flooding into the Europe today.

So you think the US is responsible for all this. Wow, how deluded and sad you are.

This war was started by a rebellion against a horrible dictator, Bashar al-Assad. I'm proud of my country for helping the rebels, though it is a bit dicey since some of those rebels are considered by some to be or could be terrorists given different circumstances. And as far as ISIS goes. If you think they should just be allowed to run around decapitating and terrorizing people and destroying 1000 year old world treasures, well then what a sad individual you are.

So Russian comes in to directly support the dictator Bashar al-Assad by targeting the rebels fighting against him and to a much lessor extent ISIS. The flaw the US is talking about is Russia supporting Bashar al-Assad. It's that simple. But now we have Russia firing cruise missiles over Iran and some of those missiles are falling in Iran. That's a little flaw also.

You believe what you want because you and many others like you are disposed to always think the US is in the wrong, the US is horrible and the US is the Great Satan.

Sometimes I do think we should just close our borders and let the rest of the world fend for itself. You might jump for joy, but after a time I don't think you would like the result.

So the liberal socialist Assad who made evil things like free education, women rights and health care, will be replaced by the humanist Al Quaida rebels. I am proud that my country is to insignificant to help the extremists.

Without America, we would have a stable Iraq, Afghanistan without narcotic exports and a stable Libya. And no refugees in Europe. I think I would like that. And the mothers of the dead US soldiers would also like to not have lost their sons for useless wars.

Without America,

That is a revealing post yet it's a thought you'd need to get out of your head decisively and forever.

[craigt3365]

Putin doesn't have a great reputation for telling the truth.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/04/ukraine-crisis-russia-crimea-idUSL6N0M122M20140304

Russian President Vladimir Putin denied on Tuesday that Russian troops seized Ukraine's southern Crimea region, saying "local forces of self defence" were responsible for taking over official buildings.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/04/17/russia-putin-crimea-idUKL6N0N921H20140417

President Vladimir Putin said Russian forces had been active in Crimea in order to support local defence forces, the first time he has admitted deployment of Russian troops on the Black Sea peninsula.

[anon4546543]

I think this is supposed to be about missiles from Russian ships falling on Iraq. The US apparently has no proof but has made this claim. The Iraquis are keeping mum. I remember the US said that Russian forces fired the missile that shot down a Malaysian passenger aircraft. Again accusations and no proof. So I think we can take this with a grain of salt. Deflects against proof that the US shot up a hospital in Afghanistan for no good reason.

[Nice Boyd]

I think this is supposed to be about missiles from Russian ships falling on Iraq. The US apparently has no proof but has made this claim. The Iraquis are keeping mum. I remember the US said that Russian forces fired the missile that shot down a Malaysian passenger aircraft. Again accusations and no proof. So I think we can take this with a grain of salt. Deflects against proof that the US shot up a hospital in Afghanistan for no good reason.

they did pull the Shrapnel from the victims bodies of a Buk missile, but believe Putin, he's always truthful, unbelievable stupidity on this forum sometimes

[craigt3365]

I think this is supposed to be about missiles from Russian ships falling on Iraq. The US apparently has no proof but has made this claim. The Iraquis are keeping mum. I remember the US said that Russian forces fired the missile that shot down a Malaysian passenger aircraft. Again accusations and no proof. So I think we can take this with a grain of salt. Deflects against proof that the US shot up a hospital in Afghanistan for no good reason.

The US has proof. Just won't make it public right now. The US military satellites are very precise and instantly report on missile firings and landings like this.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/07/how-us-satellites-pinpointed-source-of-missile-that-shot-down-airliner/

President Barack Obama today said without hesitation that the missile that shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was launched from within territory controlled by pro-Russian separatists in Eastern Ukraine. While he didn’t go into the sources the US used to pinpoint the launch, early reports say that US intelligence had identified the infrared signature of a missile launch just before contact with the airliner was lost.

That information likely came from one of a network of satellites operated by the Air Force and the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO), the US intelligence community’s spy satellite operations agency. Using highly sensitive infrared sensors and other electronic intelligence gathering sensors, these satellites can detect a variety of ground-based missile systems, as well as some aircraft, by their infrared signature. They also carry sensitive electronic intelligence sensors that can detect radar signals associated with anti-aircraft missile systems like the Buk launcher that has been widely pointed to as the culprit in the MH17 downing.

I don't ever remember reading the US blamed Russian forces for that plane being shot down. They blamed the rebels there who were possibly using Russian supplied weapons.

Please provide a link to a credible news source that says otherwise.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/defense-secretary-confirms-russian-missiles-crashed-iran-34365006

The U.S. has indications that four Russian cruise missiles crashed in Iran rather than Syria, suggesting there were malfunctions, Defense Secretary Ash Carter confirmed Friday.

Carter spoke at a press conference in London with British Defense Secretary Michael Fallon. It was the first public comment by a U.S. official on the cruise missile failures. The British are part of the coalition striking Islamic State fighters in Iraq, but not doing strikes in Syria.

[does]

I suggest you do some research on the history of Western/American involvement in the Middle East. A good place to start is here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Mosaddegh

It's about the overthrow of a democratically elected Iranian government by the US and the UK on behalf of the Western oil companies. Any discussion about the Middle East has to start from here. Most people ignore or reverse the law of cause and effect.

On American saying about the Russions: "Their strategy in Syria is fundamentally flawed".

He should know: US strategy in the region has been grande. Ask any refugee flooding into the Europe today.

So you think the US is responsible for all this. Wow, how deluded and sad you are.

This war was started by a rebellion against a horrible dictator, Bashar al-Assad. I'm proud of my country for helping the rebels, though it is a bit dicey since some of those rebels are considered by some to be or could be terrorists given different circumstances. And as far as ISIS goes. If you think they should just be allowed to run around decapitating and terrorizing people and destroying 1000 year old world treasures, well then what a sad individual you are.

So Russian comes in to directly support the dictator Bashar al-Assad by targeting the rebels fighting against him and to a much lessor extent ISIS. The flaw the US is talking about is Russia supporting Bashar al-Assad. It's that simple. But now we have Russia firing cruise missiles over Iran and some of those missiles are falling in Iran. That's a little flaw also.

You believe what you want because you and many others like you are disposed to always think the US is in the wrong, the US is horrible and the US is the Great Satan.

Sometimes I do think we should just close our borders and let the rest of the world fend for itself. You might jump for joy, but after a time I don't think you would like the result.

[anon4546543]

I love the propaganda that all governments put out. In my time. I heard former Aust Prime minister declare that if I voted for him, all child poverty would cease. I heard that the Vietnamese navy attacked US warships in international waters. I heard about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. I heard Us say that uranium was being imported into Iraq. I heard that Razputin said that Malaysia airlines flight was shot down by a Ukranian aircraft. We all know that PM of Australia, got it wrong. We all know that the reason for US to invade VN was bs. We all know that Iraq never had any US supplied weapons of mass destruction left. We know they never sought for or received uranium. We think we know that the Ruskies shot down a civil airliner, but the US propaganda machine has been caught out with so many shoddy lies, no one should ever believe them unless they present evidence. Do you get that. Evidence and not just unproven slurs. r

[Nice Boyd]

I love the propaganda that all governments put out. In my time. I heard former Aust Prime minister declare that if I voted for him, all child poverty would cease. I heard that the Vietnamese navy attacked US warships in international waters. I heard about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. I heard Us say that uranium was being imported into Iraq. I heard that Razputin said that Malaysia airlines flight was shot down by a Ukranian aircraft. We all know that PM of Australia, got it wrong. We all know that the reason for US to invade VN was bs. We all know that Iraq never had any US supplied weapons of mass destruction left. We know they never sought for or received uranium. We think we know that the Ruskies shot down a civil airliner, but the US propaganda machine has been caught out with so many shoddy lies, no one should ever believe them unless they present evidence. Do you get that. Evidence and not just unproven slurs. r

So you Believe the BS out of Russia, I agree it's all Neocon Crap, it's how Superpowers get money, from Bloodshed,Be careful you don't paint the whole country with one brush, most common sense citizens don't agree with their government s Dirty Hands

[oneday]

"...Moscow was swift to deny there was any malfunction with them..."

Well let's do just a tiny bit of logical thinking here.

Any country (US being a prime example) that has good satellite coverage over this war torn area can EASILY determine if missiles have landed in Iran so let's take that as a given. That leaves us with 3 possibilities; either the missile was programmed on purpose to hit Iran or it was programmed wrong or it malfunctioned. I'll give the Russians this; I doubt they programmed it to hit Iran on purpose.

No, it is clear as daylight that no any missiles have landed in Iran! This is a piece of American propaganda, without any proof as always.

You are absolutely right in saying that :

Any country (US being a prime example) that has good satellite coverage over this war torn area can EASILY determine if missiles have landed in Iran

However there is only one country (namely USA) who is claiming this fact. This is a serious accusation, why not provide a proof?

Why not show the satellite images?

If it makes you sleep better at night thinking the US would lie about something like this when it can EASILY be verified by many countries then you are insane. Only Russia and Iran, who is in bed with Russia, are denying it. Iran doesn't want to make Russia look bad by confirming it, because it suits their purposes more to try and make everyone believe the US is lying. That's how twisted this Islamic extremest country is...they would rather suffer these accidental bombings in silence rather then confirm for the world that what the US said was right.

BTW, tell everyone on TV what country you are from so we can all look to your country as a role model of a perfect country to emulate.