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For a non-O visa to visit one's child inThailand there is no limitation regarding the child's nationality.

See http://www.mfa.go.th/main/en/services/4908/15398-Issuance-of-Visa.html

I really hope that that is the case .

But if that is indeed the case , wouldnt foreigners then be able to take their foreign children to Thailand and then leave them there and then go to Laos to apply for a non-O visa on the premise of visiting their child in Thailand ?

Generally, a foreigner is expected to apply for this type of visa in his country of permanent residence, where he presumably lives and works. This reminds me to tell the OP to be sure to write his (foreign) home address as his residential address on the visa application form, not the child's address in Thailand. There is another place on the form for the address in Thailand during the visit.

It is one of the many extension clauses which stipulates that the family member with whom the applicant lives must be a Thai national. Another extension clause is for living with a family member of non-Thai nationality. (I'm working on a tablet and cannot look it up easily or give the link)

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Strictly speaking, the officially correct procedure for the OP, living continually in Thailand with his child and the child's mother and having done so already for several years, would be to apply for a single-entry non-O to visit his child and then applying in Thailand for one-year extensions. Few consulates, if any, in the region may be willing to give him a multiple-entry non-O visa in this situation.

The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place. — George Bernard Shaw

 

Posted

For a non-O visa to visit one's child inThailand there is no limitation regarding the child's nationality.

See http://www.mfa.go.th/main/en/services/4908/15398-Issuance-of-Visa.html

I really hope that that is the case .

But if that is indeed the case , wouldnt foreigners then be able to take their foreign children to Thailand and then leave them there and then go to Laos to apply for a non-O visa on the premise of visiting their child in Thailand ?

I agree it does seem open to fraud!

If Maestro says it's possible then you should give it a go.

Posted

Have you taken any legal advice.

Are you sure that your dependent child has to be Thai?

Are you listed on the birth certificate as the Father?

Have you applied at your Embassy here for a passport for the child and registered your child's birth.?

http://juslaws.com/Immigration-Service/Dependent-Visa.html

On the requirements for a type Non O visa .

They require the Mothers I.D. card , Yes my name is on the birth certificate .

I have tried to get him UK nationality , but they require a marriage certificate , me and his mum cannot get married, due to her having no I.D.

I may be able to get him UK I.D and a passport , maybe , if I try every option .

But that will cause more problems than it solves

If you should decide you want to live in the UK, it should be possible to do the following:

  • Get 1954 Convention Travel Document and UK visa for your girlfriend and child.
  • Travel to the UK and marry there.
  • Get UK nationality for your wife and child. For your wife, her being stateless actually makes it easier in getting UK citizenship.

No doubt obstacles will arise, but all these steps are within the letter and intent of the various treaties.

If you want to live in Thailand, it will continue to be difficult unless you can find someone with the influence to get your girlfriend a Thai ID card. As an ethnic Burmese, this will be extremely difficult but not always impossible.

Posted

Clause 2.20 of the extension rules is for living with one's foreign child but the OP does not seem to qualify.

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Clause 2.20 of the extension rules is for living with one's foreign child but the OP does not seem to qualify.

If, as the OP states, his girl friend and his child are "stateless" this gives rise to huge difficulties both for the Mother/Child and the OP.

He has little or no hope of securing a long stay visa/extension of stay unless he can find legitimate employment or is aged 50+ and can meet the retirement requirements.

The OP should contact one of the the NGO's listed by the UNCR (link in my earlier post) for help, advice and guidance.

The issues surrounding statelessness are very complex and knowledgeable, expert advice is needed. I hope the OP will contact one of the NGO's because his problem will not resolve itself.

Posted

I now realise that myself getting a Non O Visa is extremely remote .

If I am denied one, which I probably will be .

Will I then be able to get a double entry tourist visa from Savannakhet, bearing in mind that I have two back to back tourist visas from Vientiane.

Will I be allowed back into Thailand again on a Visa exempt stamp , bearing in mind that I already have eight of them albeit the last one was a few years ago .

Or shall I pack my bags with the view of not being allowed back in again ?

Posted

There is no limit to the number of tourist visas someone can have so you could forget Laos and try applying in another country.

Posted

If I were to take my boy to the UK Embassy in Bangkok and both refuse to leave , he is a UK citizen , what could they do about it ?

What do you mean "refuse to leave" ? The UK embassy will not give you or him any "physical asylum" on their premises.

I think you have to undertake this with a firm but "collaborating" way, not the hard way. And I wish you both the best luck in getting your rights recognized.

Posted

If I were to take my boy to the UK Embassy in Bangkok and both refuse to leave , he is a UK citizen , what could they do about it ?

That appears to be unhelpful advice.

The child is not a UK citizen.

The child is a "stateless" person with a "stateless" Mother.

I advised earlier in the thread that the child's father should contact one of the NGO's who are active in assisting "stateless" people.

The OP needs to access expert help/advice.

Posted

Went to Savanakhet this morning and got refused a Non O , which I was expecting . Also got refused a double entry Visa .

Applied for a single entry .

Maybe its just nothing, but upon leaving Thailand last week, I overstayed by one day . Left the very next morning at 8 AM, usually its just a straight forward, sign a form, pay the fine and get on your way .

This time, the immigration top guy came and took my passport and took it into his office for ten minutes , then came out and I had my photo taken with him and another immigration person, with me holding my passport , a photo with a camera, not the usual webcam photo , although I did also have my photo taken with a webcam . I also had to sign one extra form .

Just guessing here, but I think that he was running checks on my passport to see whether Ive ever been deported or not before .

Posted

Went to Savanakhet this morning and got refused a Non O , which I was expecting . Also got refused a double entry Visa .

Applied for a single entry .

Maybe its just nothing, but upon leaving Thailand last week, I overstayed by one day . Left the very next morning at 8 AM, usually its just a straight forward, sign a form, pay the fine and get on your way .

This time, the immigration top guy came and took my passport and took it into his office for ten minutes , then came out and I had my photo taken with him and another immigration person, with me holding my passport , a photo with a camera, not the usual webcam photo , although I did also have my photo taken with a webcam . I also had to sign one extra form .

Just guessing here, but I think that he was running checks on my passport to see whether Ive ever been deported or not before .

As you have discovered remaining in Thailand, legally, will become increasingly difficult.

The immigration officers are probably curious about exactly what you are doing in Thailand.

Have you attempted to contact one of the NGO.s who are active in the field of "statelessness"

I provided links earlier in the thread.

Posted

Went to Savanakhet this morning and got refused a Non O , which I was expecting . Also got refused a double entry Visa .

Applied for a single entry .

Maybe its just nothing, but upon leaving Thailand last week, I overstayed by one day . Left the very next morning at 8 AM, usually its just a straight forward, sign a form, pay the fine and get on your way .

This time, the immigration top guy came and took my passport and took it into his office for ten minutes , then came out and I had my photo taken with him and another immigration person, with me holding my passport , a photo with a camera, not the usual webcam photo , although I did also have my photo taken with a webcam . I also had to sign one extra form .

Just guessing here, but I think that he was running checks on my passport to see whether Ive ever been deported or not before .

As you have discovered remaining in Thailand, legally, will become increasingly difficult.

The immigration officers are probably curious about exactly what you are doing in Thailand.

Have you attempted to contact one of the NGO.s who are active in the field of "statelessness"

I provided links earlier in the thread.

Thanks for the links , Ive been out of Thailand since last week, but I will investigate the links when I get back

Posted

Immigration is running a selfie competition at the moment:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?/topic/865545-Immigration-crackdown:-Thousands-of-foreigners-charged-for-illegally-entering-Thailand

Immigration crackdown: Thousands of foreigners charged for illegally entering Thailand As f

You didn't quite fit the bill, not being an overstayer, but still a good opportunity for a photo for the album.

The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place. — George Bernard Shaw

 

Posted

The child is not a UK citizen.

The child is a "stateless" person with a "stateless" Mother.

Fortunately it is not as you say. The boy is an UK citizens because his father is British. The law has been changed to recognize children of unmarried father their natural rights.

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The child is not a UK citizen.

The child is a "stateless" person with a "stateless" Mother.

Fortunately it is not as you say. The boy is an UK citizens because his father is British. The law has been changed to recognize children of unmarried father their natural rights.

.

Best you quote "The LAW" which permits the "stateless" child to gain British citizenship.

The OP will need knowledge of the precise detail.

Posted

The child is not a UK citizen.

The child is a "stateless" person with a "stateless" Mother.

Fortunately it is not as you say. The boy is an UK citizens because his father is British. The law has been changed to recognize children of unmarried father their natural rights.

.

Best you quote "The LAW" which permits the "stateless" child to gain British citizenship.

The OP will need knowledge of the precise detail.

This may help - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/children-of-british-citizen-fathers-become-a-british-citizen

IMHO this is the first step - no need to worry about the child's overstay/visa until they are 12 IIRC.

Posted

The child is not a UK citizen.

The child is a "stateless" person with a "stateless" Mother.

Fortunately it is not as you say. The boy is an UK citizens because his father is British. The law has been changed to recognize children of unmarried father their natural rights.

.

Best you quote "The LAW" which permits the "stateless" child to gain British citizenship.

The OP will need knowledge of the precise detail.

This may help - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/children-of-british-citizen-fathers-become-a-british-citizen

IMHO this is the first step - no need to worry about the child's overstay/visa until they are 12 IIRC.

The process is not simple and I believe the OP would need to access profession assistance.

"8. Stateless people

You may be able to register as a British citizen if you don’t have any form of citizenship or nationality - that is, if you’re a ‘stateless person’.
How to apply depends on when and where you were born. In all cases you must be stateless and have always been stateless.
Other requirements you need to meet depend on things like your parents’ nationality and where you live now."
Posted

For a non-O visa to visit one's child inThailand there is no limitation regarding the child's nationality.

See http://www.mfa.go.th/main/en/services/4908/15398-Issuance-of-Visa.html

Interesting. So can the Laotian mother of my 7 month old son, born in Thailand, get a non-O visa to enable her to take care of him?

I think the child would have to be here on a visa or extension of stay. Your child could get an extension as your dependent. Then that might be enough tor their mother to get at least a single entry non-o visa to visit them.

If the child was old enough to attend school and got an extension based upon education their mother could get an extension as their parent. It would require 500k baht in a Thai bank for 30 days for the first extension and then 3 months after that.

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IMHO this is the first step - no need to worry about the child's overstay/visa until they are 12 IIRC.

Stateless Burmese in Thailand are allowed (tolerated). No fines and no detention, but no Thai citizenship either and a grim life.

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Went to Savanakhet this morning and got refused a Non O , which I was expecting . Also got refused a double entry Visa .

Applied for a single entry .

Maybe its just nothing, but upon leaving Thailand last week, I overstayed by one day . Left the very next morning at 8 AM, usually its just a straight forward, sign a form, pay the fine and get on your way .

This time, the immigration top guy came and took my passport and took it into his office for ten minutes , then came out and I had my photo taken with him and another immigration person, with me holding my passport , a photo with a camera, not the usual webcam photo , although I did also have my photo taken with a webcam . I also had to sign one extra form .

Just guessing here, but I think that he was running checks on my passport to see whether Ive ever been deported or not before .

As you have discovered remaining in Thailand, legally, will become increasingly difficult.

The immigration officers are probably curious about exactly what you are doing in Thailand.

Have you attempted to contact one of the NGO.s who are active in the field of "statelessness"

I provided links earlier in the thread.

Thanks, I did look though the links you provided, but they seem to concentrate on refugees and those facing persecution back home and are at risk of deportation from Thailand , which is fair enough .

I had hoped to go to the Thai Consulate and explain my situation and hope for some leniency , but in the cold light of day, when people ahead of my were being questioned about have original marriage certificates, rather than copy's , I knew my case was futile .

As I had to hand my documents through to the guy through a box just bigger then a letter box at waist height and I had to bend down and peer through the letterbox trying to speak to the guy , I was really in no position to enter into "negotiations" .

The consulate guy is also just an office clerk, his job being to make sure all the documents are in order , he doesnt have the power or inclination to issue visas to people without all the correct documents .

Unmarried Fathers have no parental rights in Thailand and the guy put it quite bluntly "No marriage certificate=No non O visa" .

I stood in the Consulate for an hour trying to think of a angle to approach this , but there wasnt an angle, I just had to accept it .

My passport is nearly full , I will get a new one soon .

An METV , an education visa and a few single entry visas should bring me up to retirement age .

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