90 day reporting and Departure card lost / missing

[LatPhrao]

On 10-20-15 reported to Lad Phrao immigration offices for 90 day reporting. After my last and recent trip outside of Thailand I came up missing the Departure card.

I filled out and signed the TM47 doc with everything there as usual except the missing "Arrival Card No.".

At Lad Phrao I presented passport which had the arrival date stamped into the passport page, the last paper notice to report for 90 day reporting and the TM47 doc.

The guy at the window noted the number was missing, then consulted the passport entry stamp, referred to a yellow page on his desk which appeared to have a lot of "numbers' on it, pointed to one and mumbled some things in Thai - did not have one word of English. Then he kept the last reporting date slip, wrote the date for 90 day reporting on the top of the TM47 doc and handed it back to me - telling me to return at the next 90 day report date - which turns out to be a Saturday. (Not sure if they are open on a Saturday)

I asked him in Thai if I had a problem, if all was okay, and he shakes his head and mumbles yes.

Came away feeling uncertain whether he made the current reporting or not.

Anyone have some recent experience with this?

I'm considering going to Chaengwattana and talk to immigration there just to make sure this guy didn't just pass the problem along to someone else for the next time I need an exit visa or renewing my one year visa, which is coming up before the next 90 day report date.

[Mrjlh]

I believe you can report 15 days before and 7 days after on your 90 day report. Should not be an issue if that's all you are asking. Sounds like they just reset your 90 day because you re-entered. I'll let the resident experts answer.

[LatPhrao]

I believe you can report 15 days before and 7 days after on your 90 day report. Should not be an issue if that's all you are asking. Sounds like they just reset your 90 day because you re-entered. I'll let the resident experts answer.

Thank you, I take your point about resetting the 90 day report date. The new date is 9th of the month of January, same as the date I re-entered Thailand, and previously the report date was around the 20th of the month.

So the 90 day reporting guy solved his issue by pushing the date forward. Then I guess it will be immigration at Chaengwattana that will likely have to resolve the missing arrival card number when I renew the 1 year visa in December.

[ubonjoe]

It is not resetting your 90 day report date. Your report was due 90 days from the date you entered the country. Leaving the country ends the 90 day count.and it starts again when you enter the country.

[LatPhrao]

It is not resetting your 90 day report date. Your report was due 90 days from the date you entered the country. Leaving the country ends the 90 day count.and it starts again when you enter the country.

Thanks, I'd forgotten that bit. Interesting that they don't make a point of that and 90 day reporting when you re-enter.

Any thoughts to resolving the missing arrival card number or how Immigration at Chaengwattana will look at it when I go in December to renew my 1 year visa?

[ubonjoe]

They will give you a new arrival card,

In the past their were reports of a police report being needed for the lost card but I don't recall any recent ones.

[LatPhrao]

They will give you a new arrival card,

In the past their were reports of a police report being needed for the lost card but I don't recall any recent ones.

Brilliant! and thanks for that.

[LatPhrao]

it's 4 March 2016 and I'm updating this issue today just as a cautionary tale. Original subject was a lost arrival card and the 90 day reporting date.

After getting advice here about the lost arrival card I needed to extend my retirement visa, so I waited until the extension renewal date to go to Chaengwattana and address the lost arrival card issue at the same time. At the visa extension meeting I pointed out the missing arrival card number and the officer looked into her computer and got another number to use for the visa extension application. Zero problem or issue and it took her less than a minute to fix.

When I got the stamped passport back with the new retirement visa extension date I asked the officer when i needed to make the next 90 day report. She told me 90 days from the date of the new visa extension. Made sense to me, i had just confirmed all sorts of residence information.

I waited for the 90 days and went to Lad Phrao office for 90 day reporting. The guy who took my report advised me I was late and owed 2000 baht because renewing the visa extension had not reset the clock! The clock was still from the date I'd re-entered Thailand. Surly little man that he was, when I tried to politely reason with him, he got himself all bent out of shape, angry bursts and waving information in my face I'd never seen and as it turns out didn't really address the issue, he told me I could go to Chaengwattana. At least this one able to sling some english.

So out to Chaengwattana, to explain to the 90 day reporting "officer" in charge. Long story short, no matter what that "other department" told you, I had to come up with the 2000 baht or per her option, wait until I extended my retirement visa again and pay the 2000 baht then. Like I was going to take that chance of jeopardising my visa by going a year with no 90 day reporting!

Long story short I paid the 2000 baht fine, got a stamp in my passport in thai only about the fine, and got the distinct impression of some resentment about foreigners staying here and perfectly satisfied to bleed whatever they can extract when the rule is "broken" and opens the door to a fine, regardless the circumstances. Officer told me she would have to pay the 2000 baht if she let it go. "Visa extensions are another department why didn't you come here?" Right, ignore the visa extension officers advice and come take a number and wait for hours to see one of the 90 day reporting people who occasionally show up at the 90 day reporting window to receive 90 day reports!

[blackcab]

What happens if you never do a 90 day report? Is it still 2000 baht?

[sunnyjim5]

What happens if you never do a 90 day report? Is it still 2000 baht?

Max fine of 5000 Bht and the possibility of being refused a further extension of stay.

[LatPhrao]

It is not resetting your 90 day report date. Your report was due 90 days from the date you entered the country. Leaving the country ends the 90 day count.and it starts again when you enter the country.

Have just exited and re-entered using a re-entry permit, here on a 1 year visa extension ("retirement visa").

Is this information of Ubonjoe still accurate regards 90 day reporting, when you exit and re-enter your former 90 day reporting date is obsolete and the new 90 day reporting date becomes 90 days after re-entry?

Also, the stamp on Departure Card has a very large NON-RE stamp and below it are stamped the entry date and 'permitted until' date (end of the current 1 year extension date). Any idea what the NON-RE stamp means?

Thanks in advance.

[ubonjoe]

It is not resetting your 90 day report date. Your report was due 90 days from the date you entered the country. Leaving the country ends the 90 day count.and it starts again when you enter the country.

Have just exited and re-entered using a re-entry permit, here on a 1 year visa extension ("retirement visa").

Is this information of Ubonjoe still accurate regards 90 day reporting, when you exit and re-enter your former 90 day reporting date is obsolete and the new 90 day reporting date becomes 90 days after re-entry?

Also, the stamp on Departure Card has a very large NON-RE stamp and below it are stamped the entry date and 'permitted until' date (end of the current 1 year extension date). Any idea what the NON-RE stamp means?

Thanks in advance.

You start a new 90 days from the date you enter the country. The reports are for staying longer than 90 days in the country and that has not changed since 1979 when the immigration act was written.

It means non immigrant re-entry.

[LatPhrao]

Thank you Ubonjoe