Marble Temple Monk Stifled after Muslim Hate Speech in Bangkok

[tbthailand]

interesting how news about a truly bigoted monk gets people to voluntarily demonstrate their own bigotry and expose their own ignorance and intolerance.

And then they do it freely and with pride.

yep, really interesting ... human nature is not all good, is it?

[jaidam]

interesting how news about a truly bigoted monk gets people to voluntarily demonstrate their own bigotry and expose their own ignorance and intolerance.

And then they do it freely and with pride.

yep, really interesting ... human nature is not all good, is it?

It would be refreshing if one of the 2 or 3 posters on here that does not permit others to hold a differing opinion, stopped accusing those who's views do not mirror ones own of "bigotry" and actually look at the definition of bigotry. The total misuse of the word has been rife recently on threads popular with those who do not permit the airing of different views from one's own, primarily threads concerning religious hordes and child smuggling. To add further accusations of ignorance and intolerance whilst spouting ignorant and intolerant bluster just makes this comedy gold.

[simple1]

interesting how news about a truly bigoted monk gets people to voluntarily demonstrate their own bigotry and expose their own ignorance and intolerance.

And then they do it freely and with pride.

yep, really interesting ... human nature is not all good, is it?

It would be refreshing if one of the 2 or 3 posters on here that does not permit others to hold a differing opinion, stopped accusing those who's views do not mirror ones own of "bigotry" and actually look at the definition of bigotry. The total misuse of the word has been rife recently on threads popular with those who do not permit the airing of different views from one's own, primarily threads concerning religious hordes and child smuggling. To add further accusations of ignorance and intolerance whilst spouting ignorant and intolerant bluster just makes this comedy gold.

The word 'Bigotry' has different nuances according to context. In the case of the OP and your response supporting indiscriminate violence, or let's say collective punishment use of the word 'bigotry' is appropriate. Even in your post above you underscore your apparent inherent bigotry with the phrase 'religious hordes"

[Bluespunk]

Do you honestly believe that?

Do you really not see the appalling consequences of such insane actions?

Burning down a place of religious worship is a violent act and one that will only lead to bloody violence on a greater scale.

The conflict in the South is not a religious one, it's main focus is upon independence/autonomy based upon historical sense of injustice [rightly or wrongly].

Yes there is a religious element to it in that the opposing sides are of different faiths, but faith is not at the root of the violence.

I have nothing but contempt for those who resort to violence to achieve their aims, but the sheer stupidity of burning down Mosques will only fuel their cause and result in even worse atrocities.

And yes, that is possible..

But are they a "place of worship" or are they a place to forment religious hate against other religions. The latter seems to be the direction these mosques are taking. "I have nothing but contempt for those who resort to violence to achieve their aims." Does this contempt include what's happening across the middle East and Europe? When these Imams and Mullahs stand up at a podium and scream " Death to all infidel's, Sharia law is the only law." Do you think their not talking about you also? Do you think their going to give you a pass?

Mosques are a place of worship, full stop.

I despise bigots of all shapes and forms. I don't give a <deleted> what form their hatred is or who is doing the hating.

It is your right to wallow in delusion. Political correctness has you by the short-hairs.

Nope.

[tbthailand]

interesting how news about a truly bigoted monk gets people to voluntarily demonstrate their own bigotry and expose their own ignorance and intolerance.

And then they do it freely and with pride.

yep, really interesting ... human nature is not all good, is it?

It would be refreshing if one of the 2 or 3 posters on here that does not permit others to hold a differing opinion, stopped accusing those who's views do not mirror ones own of "bigotry" and actually look at the definition of bigotry. The total misuse of the word has been rife recently on threads popular with those who do not permit the airing of different views from one's own, primarily threads concerning religious hordes and child smuggling. To add further accusations of ignorance and intolerance whilst spouting ignorant and intolerant bluster just makes this comedy gold.

intolerance towards those who hold different opinions from oneself: the report reveals racism and right-wing bigotry.

yep, seems to fit.

of course it is not just the intolerance of posters like yourself and this monk which are the biggest problem, it is the actions that he proposes and that you think are "non-violent" which are a much more significant problem than simple intolerance.

as for 'not permit the airing of different views', I have not personally felt that the "bigots" are holding back on the threads related to this monk and his violent ideas.

Now for the final point, I have full respect for your right to spout a different opinion, but if it is bigoted and proposes violence against others, then you should not be surprised if I and others call you out for that. OK?

[cape]

So instead of all the personal attacks, can posters describe for themselves what would be an ideal world regarding the frame set by the original question.

Otherwise this thread looks like a lot of old men (I'm guessing) with hangovers (again) spitting blood and feathers to no shared purpose.

Whereas with all these brains on board maybe something could be created.

The place to start is to describe what "good" looks like.

Then it can be compared to the present sorry state and in that gap lies an unemotional description of the problem.

Well if you have that, you do a diagnosis and then treatment options and then agree a "cure" that will put the world to rights. It's another story of survival.

[Ghostnigel]

Yep. Burn the lot down. Myanmar style Buddhism. Didn't do any society any good though. Fighting hatred with hatred never ever results in anything positive.

Ok, that's fine, but how come throughout the entire world muslims can spout hatred to all non-Muslims, but Buddhists, Jews, Christians can't say a damn word without being called racist???

Look at this photo, can you see anything, anything at all, wrong in the pictures?

They are threatening a 9/11 on British people, and the police are not doing a damn thing about it. Now, just imagine EDL people standing there with placards saying, "KILL ALL MUSLIMS"?

Why can they spout hatred to us, but nothing gets done about it...?

[Bluespunk]

Who has said Muslims can spout hatred?

I know I haven't.

[Ghostnigel]

Sorry to see his free speech curtailed. His idea to fight fire with fire, speaking the same language as the Islamists, would have had a more positive effect on the peace process than appeasement. Bending over for these religious creeps does not work, it just emboldens them(if in doubt look to the N European models). No, they must be smacked, and smacked hard, every time they perpetrate violent acts in the name of their deity. Non violent solutions such as burning down mosques is a particularly savvy plan, in that when the mosques that bred and fomented the hate and rage no longer exist - the brainwashing will cease also. Win win.

Do you honestly believe that?

Do you really not see the appalling consequences of such insane actions?

Burning down a place of religious worship is a violent act and one that will only lead to bloody violence on a greater scale.

The conflict in the South is not a religious one, it's main focus is upon independence/autonomy based upon historical sense of injustice [rightly or wrongly].

Yes there is a religious element to it in that the opposing sides are of different faiths, but faith is not at the root of the violence.

I have nothing but contempt for those who resort to violence to achieve their aims, but the sheer stupidity of burning down Mosques will only fuel their cause and result in even worse atrocities.

And yes, that is possible..

So basically, it's ok for Muslims to be violent to non-Muslims, but not the other way around? hmmm....

[simple1]

Sorry to see his free speech curtailed. His idea to fight fire with fire, speaking the same language as the Islamists, would have had a more positive effect on the peace process than appeasement. Bending over for these religious creeps does not work, it just emboldens them(if in doubt look to the N European models). No, they must be smacked, and smacked hard, every time they perpetrate violent acts in the name of their deity. Non violent solutions such as burning down mosques is a particularly savvy plan, in that when the mosques that bred and fomented the hate and rage no longer exist - the brainwashing will cease also. Win win.

Do you honestly believe that?

Do you really not see the appalling consequences of such insane actions?

Burning down a place of religious worship is a violent act and one that will only lead to bloody violence on a greater scale.

The conflict in the South is not a religious one, it's main focus is upon independence/autonomy based upon historical sense of injustice [rightly or wrongly].

Yes there is a religious element to it in that the opposing sides are of different faiths, but faith is not at the root of the violence.

I have nothing but contempt for those who resort to violence to achieve their aims, but the sheer stupidity of burning down Mosques will only fuel their cause and result in even worse atrocities.

And yes, that is possible..

So basically, it's ok for Muslims to be violent to non-Muslims, but not the other way around? hmmm....

No one has made that observation.

The call for burning of mosques in the OP as collective punishment throughout Thailand would possibly lead to a national civil war, for which we all know the terrible consequences. Time & time again reprisal attacks against Muslim civilians by security forces / vigilantes in the deep South has proven to increase retaliatory killings, no one 'wins'.

[kareona]

Sorry to see his free speech curtailed. His idea to fight fire with fire, speaking the same language as the Islamists, would have had a more positive effect on the peace process than appeasement. Bending over for these religious creeps does not work, it just emboldens them(if in doubt look to the N European models). No, they must be smacked, and smacked hard, every time they perpetrate violent acts in the name of their deity. Non violent solutions such as burning down mosques is a particularly savvy plan, in that when the mosques that bred and fomented the hate and rage no longer exist - the brainwashing will cease also. Win win.

Do you agree then that every time if a Buddhist kills a Muslim a Buddhist temple must be burned to the ground? If you don't agree then why not?

[erobando]

Yep. Burn the lot down. Myanmar style Buddhism. Didn't do any society any good though. Fighting hatred with hatred never ever results in anything positive.

Ok, that's fine, but how come throughout the entire world muslims can spout hatred to all non-Muslims, but Buddhists, Jews, Christians can't say a damn word without being called racist???

Look at this photo, can you see anything, anything at all, wrong in the pictures?

They are threatening a 9/11 on British people, and the police are not doing a damn thing about it. Now, just imagine EDL people standing there with placards saying, "KILL ALL MUSLIMS"?

Why can they spout hatred to us, but nothing gets done about it...?

Hmm, those photos don't look like Thailand to me. So I don't see what they have to do with this "monk" or the insurgency in the South.

If anyone (Muslim, Buddhist or otherwise) proposes acts of violence then something will be done about it by the current regime. In fact, it's the opposite... Anyone who lives in Thailiand knows that "something" will be done if one publicly does or proposes any kind of action against the status quo.

The monk had proposed buring down mosques starting in the North and moving southward. That's more than noni-PC, it's stupid. There is a Muslim minority in Thailand, but they all aren't Malay-Patani and not all people of Malay-Patani descent are involved in the conflict. Why would the BRN or any other groups involved in the conflict care if a Mosque is burned down in Chiang Mai or Bangkok?

Maybe the monk lumps all Muslims together regardless of who or where they are... although he's more likely doing this for personal political gain. In any event, I hope the guy can find his time machine so he can return to when that world view belongs.

Oh, and as far the Myanmar approach that the monk is proposing... anyone who thinks the primarly or only conflict within that country is Buddhists vs. Muslims should look into the situation a little more.

The most publicized conflct is between the Muslim Rohingya and Buddhist Rakhine,.. Do the (Buddhist) Rakhine look upon the (Buddhist) Burmese as allies? No, they view the Burmese as opprossors, and for good reason.

[Bluespunk]

Sorry to see his free speech curtailed. His idea to fight fire with fire, speaking the same language as the Islamists, would have had a more positive effect on the peace process than appeasement. Bending over for these religious creeps does not work, it just emboldens them(if in doubt look to the N European models). No, they must be smacked, and smacked hard, every time they perpetrate violent acts in the name of their deity. Non violent solutions such as burning down mosques is a particularly savvy plan, in that when the mosques that bred and fomented the hate and rage no longer exist - the brainwashing will cease also. Win win.

Do you honestly believe that?

Do you really not see the appalling consequences of such insane actions?

Burning down a place of religious worship is a violent act and one that will only lead to bloody violence on a greater scale.

The conflict in the South is not a religious one, it's main focus is upon independence/autonomy based upon historical sense of injustice [rightly or wrongly].

Yes there is a religious element to it in that the opposing sides are of different faiths, but faith is not at the root of the violence.

I have nothing but contempt for those who resort to violence to achieve their aims, but the sheer stupidity of burning down Mosques will only fuel their cause and result in even worse atrocities.

And yes, that is possible..

So basically, it's ok for Muslims to be violent to non-Muslims, but not the other way around? hmmm....

Where did i say that?

Please show me.

Now, please.

[tbthailand]

Yep. Burn the lot down. Myanmar style Buddhism. Didn't do any society any good though. Fighting hatred with hatred never ever results in anything positive.

Ok, that's fine, but how come throughout the entire world muslims can spout hatred to all non-Muslims, but Buddhists, Jews, Christians can't say a damn word without being called racist???

Look at this photo, can you see anything, anything at all, wrong in the pictures?

They are threatening a 9/11 on British people, and the police are not doing a damn thing about it. Now, just imagine EDL people standing there with placards saying, "KILL ALL MUSLIMS"?

Why can they spout hatred to us, but nothing gets done about it...?

Hmm, those photos don't look like Thailand to me. So I don't see what they have to do with this "monk" or the insurgency in the South.

If anyone (Muslim, Buddhist or otherwise) proposes acts of violence then something will be done about it by the current regime. In fact, it's the opposite... Anyone who lives in Thailiand knows that "something" will be done if one publicly does or proposes any kind of action against the status quo.

The monk had proposed buring down mosques starting in the North and moving southward. That's more than noni-PC, it's stupid. There is a Muslim minority in Thailand, but they all aren't Malay-Patani and not all people of Malay-Patani descent are involved in the conflict. Why would the BRN or any other groups involved in the conflict care if a Mosque is burned down in Chiang Mai or Bangkok?

Maybe the monk lumps all Muslims together regardless of who or where they are... although he's more likely doing this for personal political gain. In any event, I hope the guy can find his time machine so he can return to when that world view belongs.

Oh, and as far the Myanmar approach that the monk is proposing... anyone who thinks the primarly or only conflict within that country is Buddhists vs. Muslims should look into the situation a little more.

The most publicized conflct is between the Muslim Rohingya and Buddhist Rakhine,.. Do the (Buddhist) Rakhine look upon the (Buddhist) Burmese as allies? No, they view the Burmese as opprossors, and for good reason.

those photos look more like they come from "britainfirst" an anti-muslim hate site. These kind of pics get circulated an re-circulated in email spams and social media in order to create the impression that "your country" is about to become a Sharia-law islamic theocracy unless you immediately hate the muslims as much as possible...

It's stupid fear-mongering ... Monks like this moron use the same recipe in Thailand. ... because it works.

[jacky54]

Rather Britain first then Islam first, second and third.

[tbthailand]

see what I mean?

[spidermike007]

There is no room for any sort of hate mongering in any clergy. If so what is the point? Are they not supposed to be an inspiration for society? To set a lofty example? Does Thailand want to allow itself to degenerate to the level of the highly ignorant hate mongering monks in Burma? Those guys are silly, childish, churlish, and hateful, beyond imagination.

[cape]

@spidermike007 Do you think non-violence has helped in Tibet?

It is man that that uses force and religion that tries to pacify. But some religions try to convert unbelievers (Christianity, Mohamedism), while others like Buddhism believe in live and let live.

[spidermike007]

@spidermike007 Do you think non-violence has helped in Tibet?

It is man that that uses force and religion that tries to pacify. But some religions try to convert unbelievers (Christianity, Mohamedism), while others like Buddhism believe in live and let live.

I think you might be confusing non-violence with other principals. No, pacifism does not seem to have helped in Tibet. But, the heinous Chinese government is hell bent on creating an assimilated, homogenous state, in the likeness of the party. They will stop at nothing to achieve that. They are stamping out all signs of culture, history, religion, spirituality, and character in the process. This has little to do with the level of intolerance the ignorant monks in Burma are demonstrating. It is one thing to protest against extremists. It is quite another to preach against an entire religion. Especially when these guys are members of a faith that teaches kindness, compassion, love, tolerance, and a fundamental principal embracing the lack of a need to convert the masses. You could say these super freak monks are completely off the message, and missing the point entirely of being a monk in the first place. Complete and utter ignorance, does not even begin to describe their methods. I would almost equate some of these guys with the Imans at some of the Islamic Madrasas. One could argue that the Divine does not even know their first names.

[cape]

Looks like Christians and Mohamedians will fight to last-man-standing in their attempts to convert the other. Perhaps it will be the meek Buddhists who inherit the earth, but to survive that long, a little self-defence is surely needed along the way.

[Bluespunk]

Looks like Christians and Mohamedians will fight to last-man-standing in their attempts to convert the other. Perhaps it will be the meek Buddhists who inherit the earth, but to survive that long, a little self-defence is surely needed along the way.

Meek Buddhists?

Have you been following the incidents of violence perpetrated in Burma and Sri Lanka in recent years led by bigoted monks?

[waldroj]

The Sheikhul Islam Office in Bangkok has asked Prayut to investigate and take action against Phra Apichart Punnajanto.

It will be interesting to see what the response will be.

[simple1]

The Sheikhul Islam Office in Bangkok has asked Prayut to investigate and take action against Phra Apichart Punnajanto.

It will be interesting to see what the response will be.

I suppose you know who appoints the office holder

[Linzz]

Sorry to see his free speech curtailed. His idea to fight fire with fire, speaking the same language as the Islamists, would have had a more positive effect on the peace process than appeasement. Bending over for these religious creeps does not work, it just emboldens them(if in doubt look to the N European models). No, they must be smacked, and smacked hard, every time they perpetrate violent acts in the name of their deity. Non violent solutions such as burning down mosques is a particularly savvy plan, in that when the mosques that bred and fomented the hate and rage no longer exist - the brainwashing will cease also. Win win.

Do you honestly believe that?

Do you really not see the appalling consequences of such insane actions?

Burning down a place of religious worship is a violent act and one that will only lead to bloody violence on a greater scale.

The conflict in the South is not a religious one, it's main focus is upon independence/autonomy based upon historical sense of injustice [rightly or wrongly].

Yes there is a religious element to it in that the opposing sides are of different faiths, but faith is not at the root of the violence.

I have nothing but contempt for those who resort to violence to achieve their aims, but the sheer stupidity of burning down Mosques will only fuel their cause and result in even worse atrocities.

And yes, that is possible..

Another liberal telling us it is not about religion.

You can look for all the excuses you like and keep telling yourself people should just be nice to each other. It won't make any difference.

They keep using small reasons as an excuse to murder people but it always has Islam at the root. And don't bring up the old 'but some victims are muslim' because they are invariably killed because they betrayed some principle of the murderers belief.

We now live in a world where they shout demands and murder people almost at will with little repercussion because everyone else is scared that any verbal retaliation will result in more murders. Even here, if anyone dare question it, liberals like you are quick to jump on them.

The recent fiasco when those young men got killed by the Army is another good example of what is wrong. What an uproar in the local councils and the media that brought about - but where is the similar uproar for the hundreds of innocent, decent ,schoolteachers and others when they get brutally murdered in cold blood ?.

Bottom line is that if these people were Buddhist, it would not have this terrorist problem. A muslim will never go against another muslim to help a Buddhist. They are conditioned from birth that everyone else is an infidel and Allah would not forgive them.

These kind things are ALWAYS about religion. I wonder how many thousands (or millions) in this world are yet to die before enough is enough and people dare to face up to it.

The traditions and culture of my home country are now ruined because of this stone age, brainwashing religion. I hope the same does not happen in Thailand.

You talk complete inflammatory nonsense because you see the picture in black and white with emotional rhetoric.

Today there are more wars and killings between Muslims than the extremists vs. non believers you talk about. Take a look at the Muslim vs. Muslim conflicts in the Middle East right now. While there may be religious conflict between Muslims,(Sunni vs.Shia Islam's ancient schism) a lot of it is cultural.How many Muslim countries hate and fear each other? How many Muslim countries help the Syrian Muslim refugees? But somehow you see it as Muslim vs.The Rest of the World.

The Taliban recently stoned a woman to death for so called adultery.while the man received no such punishment. I spoke to a Kurdish Muslim woman about this and mentioned "Islam" how did she feel about this? She was quick to tell me "It's not religion, it's cultural" and was disgusted as I was.