Richard-BKK Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 (edited) While everybody seem to love Ducati for being an Italian superbike, the brand is killing the Italian motorcycle industry. And while, most people thing Benelli is trying to pass as an Italian motorcycle company. While being owned by a Chinese investment group. Since Benelli is owned by the Chinese investment group, more people work at the Italian HQ than ever before… Production of motorcycles in Italy is up to 30 percent… (this bikes are shipped worldwide). Benelli is not Italian? Read and check first.. The first signs that Ducati was not Italian minded was when the new owners selected Akropovic as the default after-market exhaust system. Leaving the traditional Termignoni with much disadvantage, no pre-test engine … Benelli welcomed Termignoni and now work closely together… For elecronics Ducati moved 100% to the German manufacturer Bosch…. Also on other levels Ducati is leaving Italian business in favor of German companies. While Benelli is actually agreed on to us Magneti Marelli for Benelli motorcycles. Also Benelli signed a exclusive agreement that All luggage marketed for any Benelli motorcycle would be manufactured by Civi Italy. While a group of manufacturers, (MV Agusta, Piaggio Group and Benelli) try to buy Marzocchi, Ducati is talking with Showa, a company closely related to Honda. Edited December 4, 2015 by seedy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brit_Doggie Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Originated from Italy yes sir but who knows where manufactured now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard-BKK Posted December 4, 2015 Author Share Posted December 4, 2015 To quote a BMW head having a drink with his KTM revival, Volkswagen, Audi and who knows think that the business of two-wheels is the same as four-wheels… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard-BKK Posted December 4, 2015 Author Share Posted December 4, 2015 Originated from Italy yes sir but who knows where manufactured now. Compared to all European manufactures, Benelli only produce 20% in Asia. You want to check other numbers, because 78% of Ducati's sold in Thailand are manufactered here... While I can garantee that 99% of all engine parts are produced in China. For all motorcycles currently produced in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard-BKK Posted December 4, 2015 Author Share Posted December 4, 2015 Good that we have a Termignoni distributor in Thailand... http://www.magnum.co.th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktm jeff Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Benelli was 100% Italian ( design , components , prototypes , testing , development , and production ) for about 100 years. It was financially bailed out by a multi faceted company ( QJ ) a few years ago. As you rightly point out Richard , production in Italy is up 30% for the worldwide market bikes , whilst only 20% of Benellis are made outside of Italy. They pride them selves on using top quality components where possible. I also love Ducati. It is now owned by VAG ( German ) and so they are trying to use as much German components as possible. If Ducati "cheaps out" by using the Honda linked Showa , instead of Ohlins , it wont do them any favours. The Benelli DNA , style and passion is , and always will be , Italian. Same as Ducati is to the largest extent. I think the bikes "nationality" is more about the design team ethos and the components , than its owner company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieH Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Please try to contribute a little more than 3 letters, or one word, when posting. Posts containing such entries are pointless and make no valuable or worthwhile contribution to this or any thread or this forum community, and will be deleted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanW Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Hopefully one day Italian bikes are reliable as German/ Japanese bikes. Interesting post and that the majority of manufacturers are having to source minimum overheads in order to stay competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBJ Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 I find it odd that people put down Benelli and say they look cheaply made. it seems most want to, and do their utmost to find faults with the motorcycle brand being Chinese owned. Yet, if you compare components such as the swing arm to other manufacturers such as Honda, Benelli is miles ahead. It is well put together and not disguised with fancy engine covers to make it look better. I have ridden the Benell here and would purchase it over any other bike if i was looking for a street bike. Looks, and Riding pleasure is better bike than the Honda if we are comparing like for like. Additionally, it isn't overpriced as the Ducati is. The argument tends to be dealers and service. Fair point, but the enjoyment of riding is my priority! And the other common inexperienced argument is weight on any bike. Best test ride before making tech sheet spec comments. If a bike is balanced well, one weighing 40kg more can be easier to manage than a poorly balanced machine on the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllanB Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Often long established companies go bust in spite of the fact that they make good products, they are either weak on marketing, or at the accounts level, often both. This is the reason Benelli were taken over by the Chinese consortium, is that a bad thing that they failed and were taken over? I don't think so, on the contrary it becomes the perfect balance, up until the accountants take more than their share of the power. From what I can see this is what is happening to the likes of Honda, fortunately (for me) their isn't too much fat to trim off the Wave. But the Japs must be worried with what is happening in PRC........ Ducati are trying a different ploy and if they are selling bikes, without selling too much of their souls, everyone should be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnPark Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 I'll stick to my German Ducati Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 I'll stick to my German DucatiSuperSport by any chance? I'm just thinking of the old days of German electrics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnPark Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 899, no problems with the electronics or anything else as yet but bikes still new. We'll see how she's running in a few years time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSJ Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 There was a display of bikes in Big C Phitsanulok the other day. Some Chinese bikes Keeway,Stallion and a Benelli 300. The Benelli looks like the real deal! If it wasn't for the 139.000 sticker price they would sell a ship load. But I think I will wait for the Scrambler.....if the price is right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disting Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 I made the mistake of buying a new Multistrada in Thailand 2 1/2 years ago. Great fun to ride but a nightmare for reliability. 4 fuel sensors, heated grips, soft wheels, sticky start switch etc. Resale value was rubbish too as nobody wants the hassle of a 2 year old Ducati. Finally sold it and bought a Super Tenere. Love it to pieces. Would never touch a Ducati again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard-BKK Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share Posted December 7, 2015 There was a display of bikes in Big C Phitsanulok the other day. Some Chinese bikes Keeway,Stallion and a Benelli 300. The Benelli looks like the real deal! If it wasn't for the 139.000 sticker price they would sell a ship load. But I think I will wait for the Scrambler.....if the price is right! I can seem a bit weird, but BigC is the countries biggest motorcycle seller, even Honda, Yamaha and Kawasaki know this... so now-a-day you can also buy your Honda CBR300R, Yamaha YZF-R3 or any other bike at BigC. And by the way Stallion is a Thai motorcycle manufacturer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GARYZX6R Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 There was a display of bikes in Big C Phitsanulok the other day. Some Chinese bikes Keeway,Stallion and a Benelli 300. The Benelli looks like the real deal! If it wasn't for the 139.000 sticker price they would sell a ship load. But I think I will wait for the Scrambler.....if the price is right! My dealer is selling ship loads.. 139,000 bht is an absolute bargin.. Still looks as good as new (10 months old now) Touch wood no problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denkiblue555 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Hmmm... Sounds like someone is trying to boost Benelli's reputation with this thread? What's in it for you Richard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canthai55 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Originated from Italy yes sir but who knows where manufactured now. Compared to all European manufactures, Benelli only produce 20% in Asia. You want to check other numbers, because 78% of Ducati's sold in Thailand are manufactered here... While I can garantee that 99% of all engine parts are produced in China. For all motorcycles currently produced in Thailand. The Honda, etc. fanboys will take you off their Xmas card list ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard-BKK Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share Posted December 7, 2015 Originated from Italy yes sir but who knows where manufactured now. Compared to all European manufactures, Benelli only produce 20% in Asia. You want to check other numbers, because 78% of Ducati's sold in Thailand are manufactered here... While I can garantee that 99% of all engine parts are produced in China. For all motorcycles currently produced in Thailand. The Honda, etc. fanboys will take you off their Xmas card list ! Honda Thailand is not really into Christmas celebration, but I'm pretty sure I'm on the companies New Year party list... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeya Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Looks like ducati could be for sale soon.. Vw is looking at selling non core assets to save its bacon after the emissions debacle Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard-BKK Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share Posted December 7, 2015 Looks like ducati could be for sale soon.. Vw is looking at selling non core assets to save its bacon after the emissions debacle Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk I hope you joking, as Lifan offer cash payment of Ducati... 3 times what the German offered.. They also had a 10 year indipendent operaration in place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard-BKK Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share Posted December 7, 2015 Lifan has the cash, the have the money, and sure thy have the Itaila goverment support, with the Italian partner just MV Agusta investeted in a complete new production factory., Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlycw Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Originated from Italy yes sir but who knows where manufactured now. Compared to all European manufactures, Benelli only produce 20% in Asia. You want to check other numbers, because 78% of Ducati's sold in Thailand are manufactered here... While I can garantee that 99% of all engine parts are produced in China. For all motorcycles currently produced in Thailand. Got proof for your last sentence? Take Kawasaki... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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