AP EXPLAINS: Why Trump can't shut down the Internet

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AP EXPLAINS: Why Trump can't shut down the Internet
By BREE FOWLER

NEW YORK (AP) — Donald Trump says the government must work with "brilliant people" in Silicon Valley to keep violent extremists offline, even if it means shutting down parts of the Internet.

But what he's proposing isn't possible with today's technology. And even if it were, such a move would likely hurt more than potential attackers, and it would hinder the government's ability to keep tabs on them.

Here's a look at Trump's idea and why it won't work:

WHAT TRUMP SAID

During Tuesday's Republican presidential debate, Trump said that because the extremist Islamic State group is using the Internet to recruit, the tech industry needs to find a way to stop them from doing that.

"ISIS is recruiting through the Internet. ISIS is using the Internet better than we are using the Internet, and it was our idea," Trump said. "What I wanted to do is I wanted to get our brilliant people from Silicon Valley and other places and figure out a way that ISIS cannot do what they're doing."

WHAT TRUMP PROPOSES

Trump went on to say that that he would be open to closing parts of the Internet that cover areas where the U.S. is at war or where IS operates, such as parts of Syria and Iraq. Even better, he said, would be to tap the brightest minds from the U.S. to infiltrate extremists' Internet gatherings and stay up on their activities — something U.S. intelligence agencies are already working at.

Trump isn't alone in calling on Silicon Valley's brainpower to figure out a way to keep violent extremists off social networks and messaging services. Democrat Hillary Clinton also has said the U.S. government and technologists should work together to block potential attackers from using the Internet to draw in new supporters.

FIRST OBSTACLE: THE INTERNET ITSELF

For one thing, the U.S. doesn't control the Internet. No one does.

Because the Internet is a global network of networks that are all owned by different governments, companies or individuals, "no one person owns it," said Charlie Baker, vice president of product management for the Internet performance company Dyn.

ROUTING AROUND OBSTACLES

Ferreting out extremist groups and kicking them off the Internet in the U.S. just isn't realistic, given how rapidly the fluid Internet grows and changes. And the U.S. just doesn't have the technical ability to cut off Internet access in a country it doesn't control. (Military action might be a different story, although it presents difficulties of its own.)

Baker added that people have a long history of finding their way around Internet restrictions whether it's democracy activists in China or Iran, or tweens looking to circumvent their school's firewall.

THE PROBLEM WITH SOCIAL MEDIA

Groups such as IS have mastered social media for recruiting and spreading their message. Both Twitter and Facebook declined to comment on Trump's remarks, but say they don't tolerate posts that promote violence and aggressively remove such posts when reported by their users. Twitter bans accounts if they're linked to such activity.

BANNED-ACCOUNT WHACK-A-MOLE

But there's nothing stopping banned users from opening new accounts under different names, turning such efforts into the equivalent of "Whack-A-Mole."

So far, Internet companies have resisted pre-emptively blocking posts, partly because that would require them to make judgment calls about what constitutes terrorism — a definition that differs around the world.

THAT PESKY FIRST AMENDMENT

Any attempt to filter out the online activities of extremist groups would inevitably infringe on the First Amendment rights of Americans, said David Greene, civil liberties director for the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

"Even if you would accept the proposition that some of this speech is illegal, it's impossible to block just that out," Greene said. Any such move would probably also deny Americans access to information about what's going on in places such as Syria and Iraq, he said.

KEEPING EXTREMISTS CHATTERING

Greene notes that under the Constitution, the government is required to censor as little information as possible. But he added that this doesn't apply to people in other countries who don't have First Amendment protections.

The law enforcement and intelligence communities also have mixed feelings about shutting down terrorist chatter online. They say such chatter can help them monitor terrorist activities and could give them information needed to prevent a future attack.
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AP Technology Writer Michael Liedtke in San Francisco contributed to this report.


-- (c) Associated Press 2015-12-18

[h90]

ISIS is working from the middle of the occupied areas in Syria, shutting down the internet there is by no means a technical problem. If it makes sense is another question.

[SoiBiker]

Plus, of course, the biggest obstacle - he has to get elected first.

[ezzra]

So is this to say that technology and the world has invented the version of the Golem, a mythical monster

created by men but that no one can control any more? is this is what the internet become? so big and

diversified that even the US government can't control any longer? if this the case, that the world has

a real problem on it's hand.....

[wabothai]

So is this to say that technology and the world has invented the version of the Golem, a mythical monster

created by men but that no one can control any more? is this is what the internet become? so big and

diversified that even the US government can't control any longer? if this the case, that the world has

a real problem on it's hand.....

yep, and the problem is that you cannot fight it. Or become a N.Korea.

Like a snake eating itself.

[Berkshire]

So is this to say that technology and the world has invented the version of the Golem, a mythical monster

created by men but that no one can control any more? is this is what the internet become? so big and

diversified that even the US government can't control any longer? if this the case, that the world has

a real problem on it's hand.....

Yes, all manner of inventions have caused misery through the ages. Imagine if cars were never invented, we'd save millions of lives from traffic fatalities. How about gun powder? Electricity? Velcro? And God forbid, airplanes? If we would just live like cavemen, millions upon millions of people would not have needlessly died!

But seriously.

[JHolmesJr]

You have to pass laws to make it difficult or impossible for people to sign up for encrypted messaging systems.

Not fair, i know, but the game has changed.

[h90]

You have to pass laws to make it difficult or impossible for people to sign up for encrypted messaging systems.

Not fair, i know, but the game has changed.

It would help if you just disconnect the many people connected in ISIS area to the internet by satellite (which requires your coordinates, at least roughly, so you know which customer to cancel).

[chuckd]

You have to pass laws to make it difficult or impossible for people to sign up for encrypted messaging systems.

Not fair, i know, but the game has changed.

It would help if you just disconnect the many people connected in ISIS area to the internet by satellite (which requires your coordinates, at least roughly, so you know which customer to cancel).

There are easier and far quicker ways to "cancel" their accounts.

All Obama has to do is authorize the strike.

[williamgeorgeallen]

wont they just keep using the free wifi at mcdonalds?

[Srikcir]

So is this to say that technology and the world has invented the version of the Golem, a mythical monster

created by men but that no one can control any more? is this is what the internet become? so big and

diversified that even the US government can't control any longer? if this the case, that the world has

a real problem on it's hand.....

Yes, all manner of inventions have caused misery through the ages. Imagine if cars were never invented, we'd save millions of lives from traffic fatalities. How about gun powder? Electricity? Velcro? And God forbid, airplanes? If we would just live like cavemen, millions upon millions of people would not have needlessly died!

But seriously.

And if we would just live like cavemen, millions upon millions of people would not have been born!

[arjunadawn]

So is this to say that technology and the world has invented the version of the Golem, a mythical monster

created by men but that no one can control any more? is this is what the internet become? so big and

diversified that even the US government can't control any longer? if this the case, that the world has

a real problem on it's hand.....

Brilliant post. Thank you.

[Orac]

I thought it was ISIL that had the problem with all these new fangled inventions and the modern world as it is now.