Court to hear suit over Thaksin passports

2fishin2 · December 22, 2015

As far as I know in no civilized country is a convicted person stripped of his rights of "due process". You guys advocating or trying to justify that are total hypocrites. And while Im at it you people advocating stripping the rights of Thaksin just because you have the opinion he is a bad man are equally incorrect. Its common knowledge everything that is happening to him AND his sister is just a complete farce. Nothing more and nothing less. All by people who have no clue as how to run a civilian government.
but they are still required to show up in court to present it, another load of garbage from a thaksin apologist. He has several outstanding actions against him aside from the one he has been charged with but then you simply ignore the truth as its easier, only someone that worships him could fail to see just how guilty him and his family/party are but then thats what we expect from his fan club, suggest you refer to my previous post, describes you lot to a tee, pathetic.
Thanks for enlightening me on what I think....
So are you of the fan club to strip him of human rights also?

not at all, I simply want him to be treated like any other wanted criminal and not some saviour/god that he and you lot thinks he is. I take people on how they act, who they are & how they treat others, this criminal is the lowest type of human you can get, it amazes me how anyone with half a brain can think he deserves special treatment or is above the law. He has several outstanding court actions waiting for his return(thats also why he wont return), if it was just the one he has already been charged with then it would be different but its all the others where he is likely to be put away for a long time that really show exactly what he is, a criminal. If you think he is some sort of hero you are very sadly mistaken, suggest you get your facts about him straightened out.

Hes no hero and the junta is illegal. That being said, id rather have a democratically elected government than illegal military junta number 8 or whatever.

rice555 · December 22, 2015

<snipped, to many posts>

Hes no hero and the junta is illegal. That being said, id rather have a democratically elected government than illegal military junta number 8 or whatever.

What does this have to do with the thread? This is about court, not who's in power.

No, he's no hero, he's what you start your compost pile with.

rice555

halloween · December 23, 2015

There is no law in Thailand. The military dictators can do what they want, and can tell the judges and courts what to do. But filing a suit is probably good for Thaksin because to much of the world it might show he is trying to do things legally. remember, he was overthrown by a military coup, and at the time he was the duly elected Prime Minister

http://freepress.org/article/thaksin-resigns

If you read the Wiki reports which have been modified to alter history, you will not get the historical facts.

Artisi · December 23, 2015

As far as I know in no civilized country is a convicted person stripped of his rights of "due process". You guys advocating or trying to justify that are total hypocrites. And while Im at it you people advocating stripping the rights of Thaksin just because you have the opinion he is a bad man are equally incorrect. Its common knowledge everything that is happening to him AND his sister is just a complete farce. Nothing more and nothing less. All by people who have no clue as how to run a civilian government.
but they are still required to show up in court to present it, another load of garbage from a thaksin apologist. He has several outstanding actions against him aside from the one he has been charged with but then you simply ignore the truth as its easier, only someone that worships him could fail to see just how guilty him and his family/party are but then thats what we expect from his fan club, suggest you refer to my previous post, describes you lot to a tee, pathetic.
Thanks for enlightening me on what I think....

So are you of the fan club to strip him of human rights also?
not at all, I simply want him to be treated like any other wanted criminal and not some saviour/god that he and you lot thinks he is. I take people on how they act, who they are & how they treat others, this criminal is the lowest type of human you can get, it amazes me how anyone with half a brain can think he deserves special treatment or is above the law. He has several outstanding court actions waiting for his return(thats also why he wont return), if it was just the one he has already been charged with then it would be different but its all the others where he is likely to be put away for a long time that really show exactly what he is, a criminal. If you think he is some sort of hero you are very sadly mistaken, suggest you get your facts about him straightened out.

Hes no hero and the junta is illegal. That being said, id rather have a democratically elected government than illegal military junta number 8 or whatever.

Did you mean a democratically elected criminal government?

kimamey · December 23, 2015

Thaksin this, Thaksin that, Thaksin something else....Thaksin is the last thing Thailand has to worry about. Mega yawn.

That is unless he regains power and uses the government for his own ends of course.

marinediscoking · December 23, 2015

The Abhisit government started the extradition procedure by petitioning Interpol after May 2010, but the documentation was incomplete and lots still needed to be translated into English. As the Abhisit government had lots of other things to do and since soon the steps on the road to general elections were taken, no one really bothered.

Then we had elections and somehow the Thaksin controlled and lead Yingluck government didn't do anything either. More over around the 26th of October 2011 when the Thai nation was wading through floodwaters the Minister of Foreign Affairs (who just happened to be related to Thaksin if only by marriage) somehow managed to issue shiny new passports from flooded offices and have them delivered to a criminal fugitive abroad.

Begin of December 2011 the MoFA still lied and denied till his deputy about mid-December finally confirmed that the misdeed had been perpetrated.

Following we had the Ombudsman frequently request information from the MoFA and even the PM and everytime letters seemed mislaid, not received, need more time, 'right of Thais to get a passport', etc., etc.

Now if the Abhisit government revoked passports without Thaksin raising a court case against such action, why does he think that now he'll be successful?

In the end interpol rejected "out right" any arrest order from the the thai government for Thaksin stating it was politically motivated. So no extradition was ever submitted to any country for him.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/05/27/politics/Will-Interpol-act-30130317.html

I have read the nationmultimedia report above but I found no reference to Interpol rejecting "outright" any arrest order from Thailand.

I could not find it anywhere.

Perhaps you could post the part which says that?

You can play all the word games you want but the fact is they would not accept an arrest order or assists in any way and deemed it politically motivated. It is 5 years later and Interpol has not changed its position on the matter. The Abisit government tried to dress it up as a terrorism charge but Interpol was not having it, hence dismissing it. As of today Thaksin is not under any arrest order outside of Thailand nor facing extradition. He has freely traveled to many countries in the last 10 years and continues to do so currently. I am not aware of any country that considers him "persona non grata". In the real world arrest orders are held up to international legal scrutiny.

rubl · December 24, 2015

The Abhisit government started the extradition procedure by petitioning Interpol after May 2010, but the documentation was incomplete and lots still needed to be translated into English. As the Abhisit government had lots of other things to do and since soon the steps on the road to general elections were taken, no one really bothered.

Then we had elections and somehow the Thaksin controlled and lead Yingluck government didn't do anything either. More over around the 26th of October 2011 when the Thai nation was wading through floodwaters the Minister of Foreign Affairs (who just happened to be related to Thaksin if only by marriage) somehow managed to issue shiny new passports from flooded offices and have them delivered to a criminal fugitive abroad.

Begin of December 2011 the MoFA still lied and denied till his deputy about mid-December finally confirmed that the misdeed had been perpetrated.

Following we had the Ombudsman frequently request information from the MoFA and even the PM and everytime letters seemed mislaid, not received, need more time, 'right of Thais to get a passport', etc., etc.

Now if the Abhisit government revoked passports without Thaksin raising a court case against such action, why does he think that now he'll be successful?

In the end interpol rejected "out right" any arrest order from the the thai government for Thaksin stating it was politically motivated. So no extradition was ever submitted to any country for him.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/05/27/politics/Will-Interpol-act-30130317.html

I have read the nationmultimedia report above but I found no reference to Interpol rejecting "outright" any arrest order from Thailand.

I could not find it anywhere.

Perhaps you could post the part which says that?

You can play all the word games you want but the fact is they would not accept an arrest order or assists in any way and deemed it politically motivated. It is 5 years later and Interpol has not changed its position on the matter. The Abisit government tried to dress it up as a terrorism charge but Interpol was not having it, hence dismissing it. As of today Thaksin is not under any arrest order outside of Thailand nor facing extradition. He has freely traveled to many countries in the last 10 years and continues to do so currently. I am not aware of any country that considers him "persona non grata". In the real world arrest orders are held up to international legal scrutiny.

In the real world 'arrest orders' from one country are only looked at if passed through Interpol or directly. In the Thaksin terrorist case the Abhisit government started, but had to translated many more document before Interpol would even look. No one bothered, certainly not the Thaksin controlled Yingluck government and the current government with many other things to do only revoked the illegally issued new passports.

As I wrote before Interpol doesn't comment on cases which are not accepted yet or maybe dropped. That's much like the ICC handles things.

billd766 · December 24, 2015

The Abhisit government started the extradition procedure by petitioning Interpol after May 2010, but the documentation was incomplete and lots still needed to be translated into English. As the Abhisit government had lots of other things to do and since soon the steps on the road to general elections were taken, no one really bothered.

Then we had elections and somehow the Thaksin controlled and lead Yingluck government didn't do anything either. More over around the 26th of October 2011 when the Thai nation was wading through floodwaters the Minister of Foreign Affairs (who just happened to be related to Thaksin if only by marriage) somehow managed to issue shiny new passports from flooded offices and have them delivered to a criminal fugitive abroad.

Begin of December 2011 the MoFA still lied and denied till his deputy about mid-December finally confirmed that the misdeed had been perpetrated.

Following we had the Ombudsman frequently request information from the MoFA and even the PM and everytime letters seemed mislaid, not received, need more time, 'right of Thais to get a passport', etc., etc.

Now if the Abhisit government revoked passports without Thaksin raising a court case against such action, why does he think that now he'll be successful?

In the end interpol rejected "out right" any arrest order from the the thai government for Thaksin stating it was politically motivated. So no extradition was ever submitted to any country for him.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/05/27/politics/Will-Interpol-act-30130317.html

I have read the nationmultimedia report above but I found no reference to Interpol rejecting "outright" any arrest order from Thailand.

I could not find it anywhere.

Perhaps you could post the part which says that?

You can play all the word games you want but the fact is they would not accept an arrest order or assists in any way and deemed it politically motivated. It is 5 years later and Interpol has not changed its position on the matter. The Abisit government tried to dress it up as a terrorism charge but Interpol was not having it, hence dismissing it. As of today Thaksin is not under any arrest order outside of Thailand nor facing extradition. He has freely traveled to many countries in the last 10 years and continues to do so currently. I am not aware of any country that considers him "persona non grata". In the real world arrest orders are held up to international legal scrutiny.

It is not a word game. It is a simple request for information. It is either there or it is not.

So what you seem to have said is that I am correct. That there is no rejection of any arrest order from Thailand.

Can you therefore (as you brought it up and not me) point out where Interpol will reject any request warrant the it deems politically motivated? Who within Interpol has the authority to decide what is politically motivated or not?

I am sure with your superior knowledge of international law and the workings of Interpol you will have the answer at your fingertips.

springheeled jack · December 24, 2015

by hook or by crook mr thaksin they will eventually subdue you till eventually you will have nowhere to go better to surrender now and face the charges you cant run forever.

tbthailand · December 24, 2015

seems like there are more important issues to take care of, ...

this reminds me of children in a sandbox not playing well together...

marinediscoking · December 24, 2015

In the end interpol rejected "out right" any arrest order from the the thai government for Thaksin stating it was politically motivated. So no extradition was ever submitted to any country for him.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/05/27/politics/Will-Interpol-act-30130317.html

I have read the nationmultimedia report above but I found no reference to Interpol rejecting "outright" any arrest order from Thailand.

I could not find it anywhere.

Perhaps you could post the part which says that?

You can play all the word games you want but the fact is they would not accept an arrest order or assists in any way and deemed it politically motivated. It is 5 years later and Interpol has not changed its position on the matter. The Abisit government tried to dress it up as a terrorism charge but Interpol was not having it, hence dismissing it. As of today Thaksin is not under any arrest order outside of Thailand nor facing extradition. He has freely traveled to many countries in the last 10 years and continues to do so currently. I am not aware of any country that considers him "persona non grata". In the real world arrest orders are held up to international legal scrutiny.

It is not a word game. It is a simple request for information. It is either there or it is not.

So what you seem to have said is that I am correct. That there is no rejection of any arrest order from Thailand.

Can you therefore (as you brought it up and not me) point out where Interpol will reject any request warrant the it deems politically motivated? Who within Interpol has the authority to decide what is politically motivated or not?

I am sure with your superior knowledge of international law and the workings of Interpol you will have the answer at your fingertips.

Ok you are correct, according to you and others the criminal convicted fugitive terrorist leader on the run, puppet master responsible for crimes against humanity to drug traffickers and the one responsible creating false political outrage and now LM charges is not being pursued because after 5 years because no one will send additional documents that need to be translated. I sincerely apologize to you for not understanding why they will not act.

metisdead · December 24, 2015

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bangrak · December 24, 2015

The Abhisit government started the extradition procedure by petitioning Interpol after May 2010, but the documentation was incomplete and lots still needed to be translated into English. As the Abhisit government had lots of other things to do and since soon the steps on the road to general elections were taken, no one really bothered.

Then we had elections and somehow the Thaksin controlled and lead Yingluck government didn't do anything either. More over around the 26th of October 2011 when the Thai nation was wading through floodwaters the Minister of Foreign Affairs (who just happened to be related to Thaksin if only by marriage) somehow managed to issue shiny new passports from flooded offices and have them delivered to a criminal fugitive abroad.

Begin of December 2011 the MoFA still lied and denied till his deputy about mid-December finally confirmed that the misdeed had been perpetrated.

Following we had the Ombudsman frequently request information from the MoFA and even the PM and everytime letters seemed mislaid, not received, need more time, 'right of Thais to get a passport', etc., etc.

Now if the Abhisit government revoked passports without Thaksin raising a court case against such action, why does he think that now he'll be successful?

In the end interpol rejected "out right" any arrest order from the the thai government for Thaksin stating it was politically motivated. So no extradition was ever submitted to any country for him.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/05/27/politics/Will-Interpol-act-30130317.html

I have read the nationmultimedia report above but I found no reference to Interpol rejecting "outright" any arrest order from Thailand.

I could not find it anywhere.

Perhaps you could post the part which says that?

You can play all the word games you want but the fact is they would not accept an arrest order or assists in any way and deemed it politically motivated. It is 5 years later and Interpol has not changed its position on the matter. The Abisit government tried to dress it up as a terrorism charge but Interpol was not having it, hence dismissing it. As of today Thaksin is not under any arrest order outside of Thailand nor facing extradition. He has freely traveled to many countries in the last 10 years and continues to do so currently. I am not aware of any country that considers him "persona non grata". In the real world arrest orders are held up to international legal scrutiny.

Seems it's not only on Saturday nights you get 'feverish' when anyone dares to just point a finger at your favourite DJ... You dance, twist and turn on his tunes only... Pure adulation it is...

rubl · December 24, 2015

seems like there are more important issues to take care of, ...

this reminds me of children in a sandbox not playing well together...

You might be right, but the legal representatives of Thaksin filed a case and the Administrative Court after a quick look finding nothing wrong decided to accept the case for further investigation.

It's almost as if you want to deny Thaksin access to the legal system.

toss · December 24, 2015

I had been issued a warning for my last HONEST post...

My 'main' comment on this post, is that, whilst off subject...

Whilst the 'minor' facts of what Khun Thaksin committed against Thailand (And the fact '<deleted>', can he be holding so many passports and given immunity from so many (even more, dodgy world countries) and the 'bad press' he creates against Thailand...

Versus...

The latest travesty of justice against 2 'scapegoat' non-Thai's to protect the Maff of KT..., Will certainly stuff this country for exactly what it deserves!!!

tominbkk · December 24, 2015

Please come to Thailand Herr Thaksin, face and resolve your issues here, and then when that is all taken care of they can listen to your beef! Easy!

LostTourist · December 25, 2015

I'm just continually gobsmacked that a convicted criminal who is on the run from a jail sentence and has many more charges pending against him still has the ability to use the Thai legal system to his own advantages.

So are you suggesting that once accused of a crime or convicted (rightfully or wrongfully) you should no longer be allowed to defend yourself, or your rights?

Wow

If you are accused of a crime you can tell the accuser to P*ss off, Arrested for a crime you can defend, convicted you go to jail and can appeal the sentence.

If you escape justice then you are a fugitive and you have no rights until you are returned to jail.

Skywalker69 · December 25, 2015

As far as I know in no civilized country is a convicted person stripped of his rights of "due process". You guys advocating or trying to justify that are total hypocrites. And while Im at it you people advocating stripping the rights of Thaksin just because you have the opinion he is a bad man are equally incorrect. Its common knowledge everything that is happening to him AND his sister is just a complete farce. Nothing more and nothing less. All by people who have no clue as how to run a civilian government.

As far as I know in no civilized country is a convicted person stripped of his rights of "due process".

Thaksin was convicted to two years in prison and fled the country! He has no right to own a passport.

Skywalker69 · December 25, 2015

Ah well ....... what was it Sondhi Limongkul ( PAD leader ) said of Thaksin :

' Best prime minister Thailand has ever had "

Mind you ...... all things considered the bar is generally set pretty low.

PM'S DECLARATION:'Democracy is not my goal.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/headlines/PMS-DECLARATIONDemocracy-is-not-my-goal-90316.html

billd766 · December 25, 2015

@

marinediscoking

Posted Yesterday, 16:03

Ok you are correct, according to you and others the criminal convicted fugitive terrorist leader on the run, puppet master responsible for crimes against humanity to drug traffickers and the one responsible creating false political outrage and now LM charges is not being pursued because after 5 years because no one will send additional documents that need to be translated. I sincerely apologize to you for not understanding why they will not act.

Thank you for the apology but it wasn't really necessary at all.

What I was asking for was simply:

Firstly, where is the reference for Interpol rejecting outright any arrest order from Thailand.

Secondly, any reference to Interpol refusing to accept any arrest warrant that Interpol deems "politically motivated".

Thirdly, If they have the authority to do so, who, within Interpol is the person to deem what is "politically correct" or not, bearing in mind that "political correctness" my vary from country to country.

Edited December 25, 2015 by billd766

marinediscoking · December 25, 2015

@

marinediscoking

Posted Yesterday, 16:03

Ok you are correct, according to you and others the criminal convicted fugitive terrorist leader on the run, puppet master responsible for crimes against humanity to drug traffickers and the one responsible creating false political outrage and now LM charges is not being pursued because after 5 years because no one will send additional documents that need to be translated. I sincerely apologize to you for not understanding why they will not act.

Thank you for the apology but it wasn't really necessary at all.

What I was asking for was simply:

Firstly, where is the reference for Interpol rejecting outright any arrest order from Thailand.

Secondly, any reference to Interpol refusing to accept any arrest warrant that Interpol deems "politically motivated".

Thirdly, If they have the authority to do so, who, within Interpol is the person to deem what is "politically correct" or not, bearing in mind that "political correctness" my vary from country to country.

I think it is safe to say it too much of a "loss of face" by the Abasit government to release Interpol's statement to the press. At the time his government had almost daily statements about how they where going to have him arrested and brought back to Thailand, this went on for months. So after all the effort they put into it and reporters constantly questioning the status of the request to Interpol the only response the Abisit government put out was they needed additional documents translated. This is probably why Prayuth has constantly painted Thaksin as Thailand's number fugitive but do absolutely nothing to bring him back as the last effort was a non-starter with Interpol.

rubl · December 25, 2015

From my too early departed friend phiphidon.

The Interpol issue as seen in August 2011

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/491513-the-truth-about-interpol-warrant-for-thaksin/page-2#entry4634256

flyDelight · December 25, 2015

He killed my bar business with closure rules but I miss that old crook. Th only got much worse when he was gone.

billd766 · December 26, 2015

@

marinediscoking

Posted Yesterday, 16:03

Ok you are correct, according to you and others the criminal convicted fugitive terrorist leader on the run, puppet master responsible for crimes against humanity to drug traffickers and the one responsible creating false political outrage and now LM charges is not being pursued because after 5 years because no one will send additional documents that need to be translated. I sincerely apologize to you for not understanding why they will not act.

Thank you for the apology but it wasn't really necessary at all.

What I was asking for was simply:

Firstly, where is the reference for Interpol rejecting outright any arrest order from Thailand.

Secondly, any reference to Interpol refusing to accept any arrest warrant that Interpol deems "politically motivated".

Thirdly, If they have the authority to do so, who, within Interpol is the person to deem what is "politically correct" or not, bearing in mind that "political correctness" my vary from country to country.

I think it is safe to say it too much of a "loss of face" by the Abasit government to release Interpol's statement to the press. At the time his government had almost daily statements about how they where going to have him arrested and brought back to Thailand, this went on for months. So after all the effort they put into it and reporters constantly questioning the status of the request to Interpol the only response the Abisit government put out was they needed additional documents translated. This is probably why Prayuth has constantly painted Thaksin as Thailand's number fugitive but do absolutely nothing to bring him back as the last effort was a non-starter with Interpol.

Nice bit of obfuscation but you still haven't, can't or won't answer my questions which you can see above.

As this is the third time of trying I won't bother to ask any more as obviously have no idea of what you were talking about.

billd766 · December 26, 2015

From my too early departed friend phiphidon.

The Interpol issue as seen in August 2011

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/491513-the-truth-about-interpol-warrant-for-thaksin/page-2#entry4634256

Hi Rubi Thank you for that link.

I confess that I had forgotten all about phiphidon.

marinediscoking · December 26, 2015

@

marinediscoking

Posted Yesterday, 16:03

Ok you are correct, according to you and others the criminal convicted fugitive terrorist leader on the run, puppet master responsible for crimes against humanity to drug traffickers and the one responsible creating false political outrage and now LM charges is not being pursued because after 5 years because no one will send additional documents that need to be translated. I sincerely apologize to you for not understanding why they will not act.

Thank you for the apology but it wasn't really necessary at all.

What I was asking for was simply:

Firstly, where is the reference for Interpol rejecting outright any arrest order from Thailand.

Secondly, any reference to Interpol refusing to accept any arrest warrant that Interpol deems "politically motivated".

Thirdly, If they have the authority to do so, who, within Interpol is the person to deem what is "politically correct" or not, bearing in mind that "political correctness" my vary from country to country.

I think it is safe to say it too much of a "loss of face" by the Abasit government to release Interpol's statement to the press. At the time his government had almost daily statements about how they where going to have him arrested and brought back to Thailand, this went on for months. So after all the effort they put into it and reporters constantly questioning the status of the request to Interpol the only response the Abisit government put out was they needed additional documents translated. This is probably why Prayuth has constantly painted Thaksin as Thailand's number fugitive but do absolutely nothing to bring him back as the last effort was a non-starter with Interpol.

Nice bit of obfuscation but you still haven't, can't or won't answer my questions which you can see above.

As this is the third time of trying I won't bother to ask any more as obviously have no idea of what you were talking about.

Ok I don't have access to the internal documents of the Abasit government or interpol. So I don't have proof but I am no dummy. I can read between the lines, you seem to want prof that Thaksin is wanted by them? He is not and I can provide definitive proof of that:

http://www.interpol.int/notice/search/wanted

OK I have answered your question, so answer mine. Are you under the impression they are still considering an arrest warrant for him? You seem to go on and on that they haven't rejected an arrest request for him when I believe they have.

billd766 · December 27, 2015

Quote marinediscoking

Posted Yesterday at 14.26

Thank you for finally answering my question confirming my thoughts on your post.

To answer your question.

I have no idea if this government is considering an arrest warrant for Thaksin. I personally believe that it would be a bad idea.

IMHO I think that the government is better off letting him stay out of the country because I think if he were to return it would cause many serious problems including the possibility of injuries and/or death in the ensuing riots that will possibly occur when he lands. It may not start like that but if Suthep and Buddha Issara get involved, and I am sure they will, between Thaksins supporters and the supporters of those two, then the country may end up in a civil war.

I am sure that this government would not want that to happen no matter who wins or loses.

The collateral loss in lives and property damage would be immense, and for what?

Edited December 27, 2015 by billd766

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