sweatalot Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 "Those reports are groundless. Doctors have examined the defendants' physical health and there is no sign of torture," Prachum said. Water boarding and rubber hoses don't leave any physical signs. That might be the only "professional law enforcement procedure" the police carried out skillfully. Did the B2 provide any details of how they were tortured? They did. In court. You can search Thai Visa I know exactly what they said in court and that's why I asked. Did they mention waterboarding and rubber hoses??? so you say if it is not water boarding and rubber hoses it is no torture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweatalot Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 "their heads were covered with a plastic bag" You can read the rest of their torure allegations here: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/777038-two-myanmar-men-accused-of-murders-on-koh-tao-tortured-rights-panel-says/ I am aware that they said that.... ... but doesn't suit your agenda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klauskunkel Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 He denied reports that the defendants were tortured into confessing to the crimes. "Those reports are groundless. Doctors have examined the defendants' physical health and there is no sign of torture," Why just deny the reports? Why not prosecute the reporters and the publishers for libel and defamation and computer crimes and incitement and causing division in the country and for being bad citizens and for buying alcohol near a school? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khun Paul Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 The Royal Thai Police would of course defend the prosecution wouldn't, as anything else would be an admission of their failure. And as we all recognise , NOT losing face is more important than transparence and justice . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwisailor Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 And so it continues ....http://www.thephuketnews.com/ranong-myanmar-town-in-fear-as-claims-of-police-torture-forced-murder-confessions-55579.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren84310 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Still a big question needs to be answered.... Dr. Porntip found DNA of 2 people on the confirmed murder weapon (hoe). Which did not match the Burmese 2.... Therefore, I think it would be reasonable for her to take DNA samples from the son of the head villager who is still widely considered the culprit in the murers and see if it matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taony Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 "We work based on the principle of transparency and fairness," he said. So where are all the details and facts about the investigation? Where are the doctor reports that show the B2 were checked out and not tortured? Where are the case documents of the DNA reports? Where is any evidence that they actually did it? where is all this transparency???????????????? It doesn't exist. Its the usual BS "Yes, we are transparent. Trust us on that one. We do everything by the law and in the open. Now shutup." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangebrew Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Let's see video which wasn't mentioned picture a Thai male that looked very much like son of village head. But then doctored video of him in Bangkok walking past person in hall who was either blind or video doctored Didn't even see him oh shadow was different from each other. One shadow was right leaning other forward leaning from same light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunna Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Worth a read for an overall view of the various events. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/12066600/British-backpacker-murders-the-killings-that-put-a-countrys-justice-system-on-trial.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOC Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 "We work based on the principle of transparency and fairness," he said. So where are all the details and facts about the investigation? Where are the doctor reports that show the B2 were checked out and not tortured? Where are the case documents of the DNA reports? Where is any evidence that they actually did it? where is all this transparency???????????????? It doesn't exist. Its the usual BS "Yes, we are transparent. Trust us on that one. We do everything by the law and in the open. Now shutup." >>Where are the doctor reports that show the B2 were checked out and not tortured?<< You man of little faith, the suspects were indeed checked by a doctor, one month after the alleged torture took place. And surprise, surprise nothing was found on their bodies indicating torture. RTP: The police, you can trust !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToddinChonburi Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 They are protesting at the border and closed them down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuchulainn Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 ............ to boost public confidence in the police investigation and gathering of evidence............... That's one hell of an uphill battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercman24 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 how can these people sleep at night, but all of us new the outcome when it started with the "speed of light" DNA result, and the "big white chief" congratulating everyone on a job well done. (how could he "lose face"?) i am not going to read anymore on this travesty of justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted December 28, 2015 Author Share Posted December 28, 2015 Royal Thai Police insists transparency, justice standards in Koh Tao murder caseBANGKOK: -- The Royal Thai Police yesterday reiterated strongly that the probe into the Koh Tao murder case met international standards, was transparent, and most of all supported by forensic DNA testing.The DNA samples collected from both Myanmar migrant workers matched DNA samples collected at the scene of murders and in the body of a victim.“The DNA evidence cannot lie” announced a senior police officer, Pol Maj Gen Piyaphan Pingmuang, one of the team of police spokesmen, designated by the Royal Thai Police to defend the country’s justice system yesterday.The team included police forensic chief and Surat Thani’s Koh Pha-ngan district police chief handling the investigation.The Royal Thai Police came out in full force to defend following protests in Yangon and on the Thai-Myanmar border against the death sentence handed down to two Myanmar migrant workers, Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun, both 22, for the murders of two British backpackers in September last year.Pol Maj Gen Piyaphan said the police investigation of the case was based on the DNA evidence that linked the two Myanmar defendants to the crime they committed.The probe was conducted in accordance with international standards, and transparent.He said DNA testing proved they committed the crimes.”The DNA evidence cannot lie,” he said.He said some groups had tried to exploit the court’s ruling case to instigate protests.As there was growing concern that the protest could spread to the extent that it could jeopardise the good relations of the two countries, he urged all people not to be misguided into falling victim to these groups.He recalled there were criminal prosecutions in 126 murder cases involving Myanmar people in Thailand in the past year, but there were no protests against those.The protests against the Koh Tao murder case were suspicious, he said.Local court paid no attention to the initial confessions by the accused but rather focused on the evidence.Meanwhile forensic police chief Political Maj Gen Thawatchai Mekprasert assured transparency and international standard practises in all steps of the DNA collection and testing.He said forensic police needed to remove the bodies of the victims from the scenes due to the sea tides, and one day after all evidences were sent for examinations in Bangkok.These evidences collected at the scenes included cigarette butts, he said.He said the police had primary DNA filing from the bodies and after the testing, they all matched those evidences collected from the suspects.DNA collected from cigarettes linked to the scene where a blood stained hoe was discovered, he said.When the police collected DNA samples from both suspects for DNA testings with the cigarette butts, and from the body of a victim, they all matched, he said.Another officer Pol Col Prachum Ruengthong, chief of Pha-ngan station police, said local police followed every step required by law and international standards in handling the investigation as the case was serious and involved foreigners as both suspects and victims, and which maximum penalty is death.He said the police had to use interpreters and lawyers in every step of investigation.He said after the police had finished the investigation and sent all evidence to the prosecution, the prosecutor didn’t further the case to the court immediately,Instead, he said, the prosecutor had ordered the police to reinvestigate on more issues for three times to make the case file complete and solid, adding that the process was a check and balance of the police power by the prosecutor.The team of officers later rejected a request to reinvestigate the case as now it has entered the judicial process that also allows appeals to two higher courts.Earlier, Myanmar’s envoy to Thailand called on Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha to review the case file.The Myanmar embassy on Saturday issued a statement clarifying it did not accept the court ruling, in which two Myanmar nationals were sentenced to death for last year’s murder of British backpackers, but instead “respected” it.Myanmar’s army chief also called on Thailand to review the sentencing after the controversial trial, which sparked protests.According to the state-run New Light of Myanmar newspaper, Gen Min Aung Hlaing, head of the country’s influential military, has asked Thailand for a “review of the evidence” against the men.Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun were found guilty by the Koh Samui Provincial Court on Thursday of killing David Miller, 24, and raping and murdering Hannah Witheridge, 23, on a beach on Koh Tao in Surat Thani province in September last year.In another development Courts of Justice spokesman Suebpong Siripongkul said the case is not final as the defendants can lodge an appeal with the Appeal Court within 30 days.At the same time, the Lawyers Council of Thailand, which fought the case on behalf of the two workers at the request of the Myanmar embassy, also called on the Myanmar people to have confidence in the Thai justice system as the judicial process was not finished.The council said all factual evidence would be considered justly when the case reaches the Appeals Court, or even the Supreme CourtSource: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/royal-thai-police-insists-transparency-justice-standards-in-koh-tao-murder-case -- Thai PBS 2015-12-28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dundas Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) When this item appeared in my mail box it showed up as "Thai Police defend koh tao murders." Not yet, I thought, not yet, they can't be that brazen. Then when I opened the item, I saw the complete headline, "Thai Police defend koh tao murders investigations." Just to be clear - it the death sentence is carried out (formally or informally) and if the two Burmese are in fact innocent (after the botched court case, I have no idea about who the murderers are, but I have an even more diminished opinion of the RTP), then we are looking at four murders, not two. I hope the appeals process is allowed to run its course, and that it inspires more confidence in its integrity than what we've seen in the police investigation and the court case so far. Edited December 28, 2015 by dundas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denby45 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 "He said the public could have confidence in Thailand's judicial process because there were effective check-and-balance mechanisms in the process." What!!!! "check-and-balance mechanism." I always thought the mafia paid with cash in brown envelopes. Den Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimbuman Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 He said the public could have confidence in Thailand's judicial process because there were effective check-and-balance mechanisms in the process. this is again a useless article. What do you expect? The police should say:Sorry, we made a mistake?? Yes, they should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxLee Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Royal Thai Police insists transparency, justice standards in Koh Tao murder case BANGKOK: -- The Royal Thai Police yesterday reiterated strongly that the probe into the Koh Tao murder case met international standards, was transparent, and most of all supported by forensic DNA testing. The DNA samples collected from both Myanmar migrant workers matched DNA samples collected at the scene of murders and in the body of a victim. “The DNA evidence cannot lie” announced a senior police officer, Pol Maj Gen Piyaphan Pingmuang, one of the team of police spokesmen, designated by the Royal Thai Police to defend the country’s justice system yesterday. The team included police forensic chief and Surat Thani’s Koh Pha-ngan district police chief handling the investigation. The Royal Thai Police came out in full force to defend following protests in Yangon and on the Thai-Myanmar border against the death sentence handed down to two Myanmar migrant workers, Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun, both 22, for the murders of two British backpackers in September last year. Pol Maj Gen Piyaphan said the police investigation of the case was based on the DNA evidence that linked the two Myanmar defendants to the crime they committed. The probe was conducted in accordance with international standards, and transparent. He said DNA testing proved they committed the crimes. ”The DNA evidence cannot lie,” he said. He said some groups had tried to exploit the court’s ruling case to instigate protests. As there was growing concern that the protest could spread to the extent that it could jeopardise the good relations of the two countries, he urged all people not to be misguided into falling victim to these groups. He recalled there were criminal prosecutions in 126 murder cases involving Myanmar people in Thailand in the past year, but there were no protests against those. The protests against the Koh Tao murder case were suspicious, he said. Local court paid no attention to the initial confessions by the accused but rather focused on the evidence. Meanwhile forensic police chief Political Maj Gen Thawatchai Mekprasert assured transparency and international standard practises in all steps of the DNA collection and testing. He said forensic police needed to remove the bodies of the victims from the scenes due to the sea tides, and one day after all evidences were sent for examinations in Bangkok. These evidences collected at the scenes included cigarette butts, he said. He said the police had primary DNA filing from the bodies and after the testing, they all matched those evidences collected from the suspects. DNA collected from cigarettes linked to the scene where a blood stained hoe was discovered, he said. When the police collected DNA samples from both suspects for DNA testings with the cigarette butts, and from the body of a victim, they all matched, he said. Another officer Pol Col Prachum Ruengthong, chief of Pha-ngan station police, said local police followed every step required by law and international standards in handling the investigation as the case was serious and involved foreigners as both suspects and victims, and which maximum penalty is death. He said the police had to use interpreters and lawyers in every step of investigation. He said after the police had finished the investigation and sent all evidence to the prosecution, the prosecutor didn’t further the case to the court immediately, Instead, he said, the prosecutor had ordered the police to reinvestigate on more issues for three times to make the case file complete and solid, adding that the process was a check and balance of the police power by the prosecutor. The team of officers later rejected a request to reinvestigate the case as now it has entered the judicial process that also allows appeals to two higher courts. Earlier, Myanmar’s envoy to Thailand called on Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha to review the case file. The Myanmar embassy on Saturday issued a statement clarifying it did not accept the court ruling, in which two Myanmar nationals were sentenced to death for last year’s murder of British backpackers, but instead “respected” it. Myanmar’s army chief also called on Thailand to review the sentencing after the controversial trial, which sparked protests. According to the state-run New Light of Myanmar newspaper, Gen Min Aung Hlaing, head of the country’s influential military, has asked Thailand for a “review of the evidence” against the men. Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun were found guilty by the Koh Samui Provincial Court on Thursday of killing David Miller, 24, and raping and murdering Hannah Witheridge, 23, on a beach on Koh Tao in Surat Thani province in September last year. In another development Courts of Justice spokesman Suebpong Siripongkul said the case is not final as the defendants can lodge an appeal with the Appeal Court within 30 days. At the same time, the Lawyers Council of Thailand, which fought the case on behalf of the two workers at the request of the Myanmar embassy, also called on the Myanmar people to have confidence in the Thai justice system as the judicial process was not finished. The council said all factual evidence would be considered justly when the case reaches the Appeals Court, or even the Supreme Court Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/royal-thai-police-insists-transparency-justice-standards-in-koh-tao-murder-case -- Thai PBS 2015-12-28 Pure arrogance,.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashireman Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 "Those reports are groundless. Doctors have examined the defendants' physical health and there is no sign of torture," Prachum said.Water boarding and rubber hoses don't leave any physical signs. That might be the only "professional law enforcement procedure" the police carried out skillfully. Did the B2 provide any details of how they were tortured? They did. In court. You can search Thai Visa Ignore him Sweat, he's a pure troll with no agenda other than stirring the shiite.Late to the forum and clearly hasn't even bothered to familiarise himself with the case at all. Another troll, just not a very smart or bright one. Late to the forum? I was already on the forum months ago regarding this case. I have followed everything - even CSI LA and the previous cases this armchair detective has been working on.And speaking about bright: you didn't even get why I was asking that question.... if the B2 were waterboarded they would have said that in court. Zin said he was struck in the chest and both said that they were punched by the "translator" - no mention of water and rubber hoses. The two defendants certainly did not present any evidence of torture. It was conjecture which was badly reported thereafter. Some 'posters' here only believe in their own opinion and fairy tales.This is not to suggest the two are guilty, but I don't believe they are without some culpability to the whole event. Sadly, they possibly became the point of least resistance in a case which has been so badly handled, reported on and fuelled by a large number of swooning amateur hysterics on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saminoz Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 "He said the public could have confidence in Thailand's judicial process because there were effective check-and-balance mechanisms in the process." What!!!! "check-and-balance mechanism." I always thought the mafia paid with cash in brown envelopes. Den The only "checks and balances" are the cheques written by the real guilty parties and the resultant swollen bank balances of those responsible for this perversion!! ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyman Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Total no Happy New Pee BUFFALO ĶEE !!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogmatix Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Standard ops for sure. So often when in the face of scrutiny where evidence of wrongdoing / mismanagement et al is plentiful and available for all to see, they just spin BS stories ad nauseum. Pathetic, embarrassing, disgraceful. It's all that all of the time "there were no signs of physical injury" how strange. Whatever happened to the Scotland Yard report? I'd have more faith in that. It was suppressed by Mr Justice Green "in the public interest" (doing business with Thailand), although he admitted to have grave misgivings in complying with the British police request for suppression of what should have been in the public interests to disclose. Probably British police wanted to avoid the embarrassment of admitting that they just wasted taxpayers' hard earned cash to have an expenses paid holiday in Thailand being wined, dined and whored by Thai police and just listened to a police interpreter reading out a pigeon English translation of parts of the Thai police report on what passed for an investigation. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casindonet Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 It's an disgrace but par for the course here. How we got from this in the beginning to 2 x completely new suspects (conveniently) is insane: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/one-tourist-murder-suspect-now-arrested-another-run "The police have arrested a suspect in the murder of two British tourists in Koh Tao and are still hunting for a second suspect who has escaped into Bangkok. Eighth Region Police Command commissioner Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen identified the first suspect as Mon. He is the brother of a village headman in Koh Tao. He was arrested after evidence which police collected were examined and proved he was involved, he said. He also said another suspect is also a son of that village headman. But he has already to Bangkok. He said both suspects were captured by CCTV cameras and the police have gathered enough evidence to implicate them in the murders." That was before Pol Lt-Gen Panya was transferred & changed by someone else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyman Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 F MAFIA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardColeman Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Justice vs Tourism ? Who wins ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyman Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Who was there in 1981 cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTIRIOS Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 ..'..3 times to make the report right..'.... ...what the !@#$%^&* does that mean.... ...and considering that you provide no verifiable information or facts...where does the 'transparency' come in.... ...maybe you are confusing the word for 'discrepancy'..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyman Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Tourism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyman Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Sorry my friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sartoric Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 ..'..3 times to make the report right..'.... ...what the !@#$%^&* does that mean.... ...and considering that you provide no verifiable information or facts...where does the 'transparency' come in.... ...maybe you are confusing the word for 'discrepancy'..... It's discretionary transparency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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