Thai children need a culture that boosts self-expression, self-confidence

[stoneyboy]

The article reinforces my decision to go back to my home country so that my child has the chance to get a proper education and is allowed and encouraged to ask all the questions he has, without being dragged in front of a court for the sake of easy profits.

Absolutely !!!

It's a horror system to subject a child to .

Good for you placing high values on ""your child's "" well being.

I have a ( thai ) girlfriend with an actual business degree who was In disbelief watching man land on the moon in a YOU TUBE and couldn't tell me why the moon shines and its phases.

Tides and their origin.

Who Jesus was.

The wright brothers.

Einstein .

Or JFK or Alexander the Great .

Formula for pye

Or the planets in our solar system .

It was shocking .

Thais are also greatly devoid of wanting to know ""outside things"" and have very little inventions of their own

Jesus you have high aspirations,many Thais can't point out their own country on a world atlas let alone know the formula for Pye and the like.

[ratcatcher]

The article reinforces my decision to go back to my home country so that my child has the chance to get a proper education and is allowed and encouraged to ask all the questions he has, without being dragged in front of a court for the sake of easy profits.

Absolutely !!!

It's a horror system to subject a child to .

Good for you placing high values on ""your child's "" well being.

I have a ( thai ) girlfriend with an actual business degree who was In disbelief watching man land on the moon in a YOU TUBE and couldn't tell me why the moon shines and its phases.

Tides and their origin.

Who Jesus was.

The wright brothers.

Einstein .

Or JFK or Alexander the Great .

Formula for pye

Or the planets in our solar system .

It was shocking .

Thais are also greatly devoid of wanting to know ""outside things"" and have very little inventions of their own

Jesus you have high aspirations,many Thais can't point out their own country on a world atlas let alone know the formula for Pye and the like.

Well, since someone brought up pye & Pye, why don't we also look at pi π, which is a mathematical constant and the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter.

Or better still, maybe someone has the formula for pie, as in apple, cherry and pumpkin etc. Much more useful and enjoyable for a person..

[Thian]

Thai kids from 6 yo can't even go to toilet alone, can't take a shower alone, still eat babyfood, still are allowed to scream through adult conversations. They are still baby's.

What a rubbish generalisation.

Speaking from experience my son is nothing like that and neither are his friends. It is the way that some but not all parents bring their children up.

I assume you are not Thai so neither is your son. Simple as that.

[Thian]

Thai kids from 6 yo can't even go to toilet alone, can't take a shower alone, still eat babyfood, still are allowed to scream through adult conversations. They are still baby's.

Jeez, my 4 year young can't stand I help her in anything, she chooses what to wear, won't allow anyone to wash her, dress her, she knows her way better than myself on her iPad and a zillion other things, nevertheless she is Thai 100% because I am not her biological father, although she lives with me since she was 5 days young.

I hope she will be a pain in the but to all things Thai.

Then you're lucky but what i see is the Thai kids need mummy or yaai for everything.

And thai kids raised by westerners are different then thai kids raised by thai.

[tartempion]

Thai kids from 6 yo can't even go to toilet alone, can't take a shower alone, still eat babyfood, still are allowed to scream through adult conversations. They are still baby's.

Jeez, my 4 year young can't stand I help her in anything, she chooses what to wear, won't allow anyone to wash her, dress her, she knows her way better than myself on her iPad and a zillion other things, nevertheless she is Thai 100% because I am not her biological father, although she lives with me since she was 5 days young.

I hope she will be a pain in the but to all things Thai.

Then you're lucky but what i see is the Thai kids need mummy or yaai for everything.

And thai kids raised by westerners are different then thai kids raised by thai.

I can have no more than 25% influence on her time wise but I hope it will value for 50%, I definitely do want her to be as little Thai as possible, thus I am learning her the world, most Thais (if not all) don't have a clue really,sadly enough.

[billd766]

More self-confidence?!

I would say Thais need ANYTHING BUT more confidence. They have more than plenty already! Of the almost 10 countries I have lived in and the dozens countries I have traveled, Thais routinely have more confidence bordering on arrogance mixed with sheer incompetence than almost any other group save for maybe certain parts of China.

What Thai kids and adults need -- desperately -- is a culture of tempering unfounded confidence with serious effort and accomplishment. Immense false confidence and false pride is one of the biggest obstacles preventing the country from moving forward.

I think you're confusing confidence with unquestioning belief in what the system has told them....and this is the problem: Unquestioning.

Kids in western countries are indoctrinated with revisionist history and a baseless sense of entitlement that inflates their sense of self-importance almost continuously.

That's the only possible explanation for the arrogance shown by the population of a small island off the west coast of Europe or for the propaganda promoting American 'exceptionalism" or the call to arms based on Aryan superiority made by Herr Hitler or the certainty of a certain "tribe" that proclaims itself God's Chosen People.

Of course when any of these people arrive in Thailand loaded down with baggage packed with arrogance they get their knickers in a knot when the locals look down on them (often for good reason). Most of the Thai bashing generated on TV is based on the belief that farang are innately endowed with superior intellect and their every utterance is awash in faultless logic. Actually most of them are out of their depth here, amazingly clueless about even the most basic terms of their immigration status, know nothing of the language or culture and can only manage to stay afloat by constantly attacking Thais and Thailand.

When it comes to prizes for arrogance:

Remember that you are an Englishman, and have consequently won first prize in the lottery of life.

Cecil Rhodes

One of the things that I dislike the most on TVF is the generalisations that many posters come up with.

You are one of the worst at this.

quote "When it comes to prizes for arrogance:" ignorance

Some generalisations

All rural Thais are stupid.

All farangs in Thailand are either teachers, sexpats or paedophiles.

All farangs are only in Thailand for cheap sex with Thai women.

All bar girls will rip you off.

Never marry a Thai as they will steal everything you have and then kick you out.

All Thais are corrupt.

All policemen are corrupt.

Every farang is a border runner.

I could go on for ages but nothing that I have said above is 100% truthful and every day you will find post like this on TVF.

Your response to Seastallion above is a prime example of this.

It is so full of inaccuracies as to be laughable but I don't believe that you meant it to be.

If you truly believe it then I feel sorry for you.

Try to have a better day tomorrow.

[lee68]

Thai kids from 6 yo can't even go to toilet alone, can't take a shower alone, still eat babyfood, still are allowed to scream through adult conversations. They are still baby's.

They still are at 30!

[billd766]

Thai kids from 6 yo can't even go to toilet alone, can't take a shower alone, still eat babyfood, still are allowed to scream through adult conversations. They are still baby's.

What a rubbish generalisation.

Speaking from experience my son is nothing like that and neither are his friends. It is the way that some but not all parents bring their children up.

I assume you are not Thai so neither is your son. Simple as that.

You are 100% correct in my case and 100% incorrect in my sons case.

I am English, my wife is Thai and our son is both Thai and English.

Do you have difficulty in reading and comprehension?

I assume that you do understand that a child born of a Thai mother will always be Thai which is what my son is.

I assume that you understand dual nationality and that a child born of parents with different nationalities.

I assume that you undersatnd that as I am English my son can also be, and in fact English also.

[LannaGuy]

Thai kids from 6 yo can't even go to toilet alone, can't take a shower alone, still eat babyfood, still are allowed to scream through adult conversations. They are still baby's.

What a rubbish generalisation.

Speaking from experience my son is nothing like that and neither are his friends. It is the way that some but not all parents bring their children up.

I assume you are not Thai so neither is your son. Simple as that.

You are 100% correct in my case and 100% incorrect in my sons case.

I am English, my wife is Thai and our son is both Thai and English.

Do you have difficulty in reading and comprehension?

I assume that you do understand that a child born of a Thai mother will always be Thai which is what my son is.

I assume that you understand dual nationality and that a child born of parents with different nationalities.

I assume that you undersatnd that as I am English my son can also be, and in fact English also.

lucky your son has an English passport then? the other way round he would never get a Thai passport are you proud of that?

or are you saying your son does not have two passports? lucky you are English right! try getting a son born in England a Thai passport

[Happy Grumpy]

asking questions when they need answers

Don't they get caned for doing that?

[Happy Grumpy]

try getting a son born in England a Thai passport

No problem if they have a Thai parent.

You been listening to too many angry barstools.

[MaiChai]

The problem is freedom of thought. I mean the education system does not encourage questioning and being curious and thus creative thinking. That opens up a can of worms for the traditional power base which does not want a free thinking population but instead a subservient one. Due to the current government I can't see that changing and thus why the PM only encourages 'study hard'.

This may beg the question: how does Thailand churn out doctors, surgeons and other highly skilled professionals? I think the answer is these people come from richer families that get much better education?

[tomacht8]

As parents, we are a bit frustrated from the school.
Our kids love to learn and have a great thirst for knowledge.
Our daughter has been working on one weekend alone through the math book.
On Monday she was proud and showed the teacher the results.

And then she has got a great rebuke.
It is forbidden to work in the book too far ahead!

I could tell here stories from super lazy teachers, which simply pushing a video tape into the recorder and let the class alone.

For this year we change school.
We also think about a relocation to europe.

A good education for your kids will be well thought out.

[huawei]

Thai kids from 6 yo can't even go to toilet alone, can't take a shower alone, still eat babyfood, still are allowed to scream through adult conversations. They are still baby's.

What a rubbish generalisation.

Speaking from experience my son is nothing like that and neither are his friends. It is the way that some but not all parents bring their children up.

I assume you are not Thai so neither is your son. Simple as that.

You are 100% correct in my case and 100% incorrect in my sons case.

I am English, my wife is Thai and our son is both Thai and English.

Do you have difficulty in reading and comprehension?

I assume that you do understand that a child born of a Thai mother will always be Thai which is what my son is.

I assume that you understand dual nationality and that a child born of parents with different nationalities.

I assume that you undersatnd that as I am English my son can also be, and in fact English also.

lucky your son has an English passport then? the other way round he would never get a Thai passport are you proud of that?

or are you saying your son does not have two passports? lucky you are English right! try getting a son born in England a Thai passport

My daughter was born in England got a Thai passport 13 years later..whilst in Thailand.

[attrayant]

Thai kids from 6 yo can't even go to toilet alone, can't take a shower alone, still eat babyfood, still are allowed to scream through adult conversations. They are still baby's.

Just to add another data point, I sometimes babysit an eight year old boy who lives a few houses away. Once he had a, um... digestive emergency and didn't make it to the toilet in time. I tossed his undies and shorts into the washing machine and told him to take a shower after he was done on the toilet. He begged me not to leave the bathroom, and cried when I resisted helping him shower. I finally gave in and did it, thinking that if he's okay with it, then that must be the way they do it here.

But he's eight years old. He'll be nine next month! I wonder how old he'll be before he develops a sense of privacy.

[tomacht8]

And yet another education story.
Our daughter has percentage calculation.
She can calculate everything in her head properly without pocket calculator.
Results can be expected in percentage or in decimal system.
100 /2 = 50 or 100*0,5 = 50
Her teacher has problems to understand that.

[LannaGuy]

try getting a son born in England a Thai passport

No problem if they have a Thai parent.

You been listening to too many angry barstools.

I know a very good Thai friend who married an American and now hold a USA passport can the reverse happen here?

[Thian]

Thai kids from 6 yo can't even go to toilet alone, can't take a shower alone, still eat babyfood, still are allowed to scream through adult conversations. They are still baby's.

Just to add another data point, I sometimes babysit an eight year old boy who lives a few houses away. Once he had a, um... digestive emergency and didn't make it to the toilet in time. I tossed his undies and shorts into the washing machine and told him to take a shower after he was done on the toilet. He begged me not to leave the bathroom, and cried when I resisted helping him shower. I finally gave in and did it, thinking that if he's okay with it, then that must be the way they do it here.

But he's eight years old. He'll be nine next month! I wonder how old he'll be before he develops a sense of privacy.

Yes Thai boys are used to Mummy doing everything for them.

My neighbours have a boy who's 12, when he goes to swim in the moobaan then his mummy calls the pool-attendants every 30 min to know he's allright. Many times she even joins him to sit and wait next to the pool. He's a good swimmer though, that's not the problem.

Also in the showers next to the pool i see all thai parents wash their kids, untill 8-9 years old. They even comb their hair in front of the mirror.

The bicycle of the 12 yo boy has to be polished by has father but they let him drive the car in our soi alone

In Sizzlers it's also fun to see what Thai kids eat or how they get treated. I saw a 3 yo standing in his stool with the knife in his hand stabbing his daddy who was feeding him. Of course daddy wouldn't take the knife away from him. Food was flying all around their table but nobody bothered for that. When the french fry's were finished he started crying loud and of course nobody brought him out of the restaurant.

European kids try to fix things themselves while Thai kids always call for mummy or start crying. My European nephew from 3 saw his neighbourkid riding a bicycle without sidewheels. He went there, took the bike and just rode it like he owned it, he had never biked before. He doesn't need sidewheels he said, which was true.

[billd766]

LannaGuy, Yesterday, 21:47 .

lucky your son has an English passport then? the other way round he would never get a Thai passport are you proud of that?

or are you saying your son does not have two passports? lucky you are English right! try getting a son born in England a Thai passport

Edited by LannaGuy, Yesterday, 21:47 .

If I were married and in the UK with a Thai wife then getting my son a Thai ID card and a Thai passport is no problem in Thailand but a bit more difficult in the UK.

Even if only one parent is Thai then the child is also Thai.

Why is my son lucky to have a UK passport? AFAIR it is his legal right.

Why do you keep on about lucky? it is meaningless in the context that you use it.

My neighbour was married to an American who sadly died of a heart attack a few years ago. Both her daughters have dual nationality and US Social Security numbers.

[LannaGuy]

LannaGuy, Yesterday, 21:47 .

lucky your son has an English passport then? the other way round he would never get a Thai passport are you proud of that?

or are you saying your son does not have two passports? lucky you are English right! try getting a son born in England a Thai passport

Edited by LannaGuy, Yesterday, 21:47 .

If I were married and in the UK with a Thai wife then getting my son a Thai ID card and a Thai passport is no problem in Thailand but a bit more difficult in the UK.

Even if only one parent is Thai then the child is also Thai.

Why is my son lucky to have a UK passport? AFAIR it is his legal right.

Why do you keep on about lucky? it is meaningless in the context that you use it.

My neighbour was married to an American who sadly died of a heart attack a few years ago. Both her daughters have dual nationality and US Social Security numbers.

so? if you marry a Thai do you get a Thai passport? ANSWER the question.... ANSWER... I say IF you LUCKY you are British your son WILL get passport

NOW answer... have YOu got a Thai passport when marrying a Thai??????????? it's a simple question is it your legal right? you are LUCKY or NOT ??????