Why did Windows 10 Pro on my DELL notebook do the whole installation again?

[lostinisaan]

Sabai Dee?

I'm running Windows 10 Pro on my notebook, but hadn't really used it, because I bought a PC to do the job at my school.

When I ran some updates, I saw a strange one, that took pretty long, something like Windows 10 1522? ( Sorry, forgot the whole file name..

Of course did that happen when I was on my way home, thought okay, make the update and then go....

Unfortunately, was it a whole Windows 10 setup, doing all the steps I did before again. Luckily did I not lose any programs or files.

I'm running Windows 10 on four other computers but something like that has never happened before.

What could be the reason that you get Windows 10 through updates? As far as I remember did I install it also via update.

Any useful input would be great. Thanks a lot in advance.

[Forkinhades]

Yeah the latest updates is like a new install, takes a couple of hours.

Massive improvement IMO.

[manfredtillmann]

my useful input is: forget about the intrusive and painful w10 and install linux ubuntu or mint. it will do everything w10 does, but just SOOOOO much better. and no worries about who, what and where you are or have been.

[ubonjoe]

Had the same thing happen a while back, Did not have to do anything after it completed other than read about some new stuff it installed.

[Chicog]

Microsoft release new builds periodically.

If you don't want to receive them, go to Updates, click advanced options and stop Insider Builds.

[lostinisaan]

Microsoft release new builds periodically.

If you don't want to receive them, go to Updates, click advanced options and stop Insider Builds.

Thanks a lot to all replies. I'm certainly okay with such updates as they seem to improve the program.

I was just wondering why it happened on a machine I wasn't using a lot. The ones I'm working with on daily basis didn't have this update?

Just trying to use my common sense, I might have the program already, which the notebook didn't?

It's sad that I had to do it "on the run", being on my way home..and then two hours of waiting. I thought of letting it do the update ( after download it) when driving back, but some programs do seem to need to be online.

I know that I know nothing. Thanks a lot, guys.

[Forkinhades]

I had to initiate the update on my laptop.

[Pib]

my useful input is: forget about the intrusive and painful w10 and install linux ubuntu or mint. it will do everything w10 does, but just SOOOOO much better. and no worries about who, what and where you are or have been.

The lonely cry of a Linux user....Linux has a 1.7% market share of the personal PC market. If it's so great, why does it have such a low market share?

https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0

[Chicog]

my useful input is: forget about the intrusive and painful w10 and install linux ubuntu or mint. it will do everything w10 does, but just SOOOOO much better. and no worries about who, what and where you are or have been.

You clearly don't understand much about Linux if you come out with rubbish like that.

[Pib]

Maybe it was the Win 10 -1511 upgrade, also known as Win 10 Ver 10.0.10586, Threshold, The November Upgrade, etc. That update was several GBs in size and basically replaced the original 29 Jul 15 release of Ver 10.0.10240.

[guzzi850m2]

I am also not so sure about this Win10 is so good anymore.

My desk top pc will not "let me in" without a password despite I have several times tried the Win+r and then enter; netplwiz. Not good man, not good.

My lap top pc that runs i-net via wi-fi, cuts in and out all the time but my android phone is on-line all the time, <deleted>? Well I don't use my laptop much at home so it's collecting dust right now.

[manarak]

linux .. will do everything w10 does, but just SOOOOO much better.

this is a lie.

yes, linux can do many things nowadays and can easily replace windows in office environments and mainstream computer use, but it can't do everything windows can do.

[manfredtillmann]

my useful input is: forget about the intrusive and painful w10 and install linux ubuntu or mint. it will do everything w10 does, but just SOOOOO much better. and no worries about who, what and where you are or have been.

The lonely cry of a Linux user....Linux has a 1.7% market share of the personal PC market. If it's so great, why does it have such a low market share?

https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0

don't you agree that just because something is done by a small minority it does not automatically mean that this something is bad?

just think about the percentage of farangs moving to / living in thailand compared to those who stay 'at home' and live a 'normal' life.

linux has always been 'niche' because it was difficult to operate. it scared people. try the latest 'mint' version and make your own mind up. it is fast, reliable, un - intrusive and very, very functional.

(i have been a windows user since W3.1, installed from 5 floppy disks onto my trusty 386/40 - some 25 years ago)

[manfredtillmann]

linux .. will do everything w10 does, but just SOOOOO much better.

this is a lie.

yes, linux can do many things nowadays and can easily replace windows in office environments and mainstream computer use, but it can't do everything windows can do.

a lie it was not meant to be. perhaps there are programs that only run in windows -' i - tunes ' comes to mind, but there are alternatives that do the same job.

and, unlike w10, linux respects your privacy. it does not spy on you, collect data about your computer usage, your internet history. so, yes, perhaps you are right, linux does not do everything W10 does, it just does everything else soooooo much better .

[Chicog]

linux .. will do everything w10 does, but just SOOOOO much better.

this is a lie.

yes, linux can do many things nowadays and can easily replace windows in office environments and mainstream computer use, but it can't do everything windows can do.

a lie it was not meant to be. perhaps there are programs that only run in windows -' i - tunes ' comes to mind, but there are alternatives that do the same job.

and, unlike w10, linux respects your privacy. it does not spy on you, collect data about your computer usage, your internet history. so, yes, perhaps you are right, linux does not do everything W10 does, it just does everything else soooooo much better .

When you're in a hole, that's the best time to stop digging.

All you are continuing to prove is that you don't know what you're talking about.

This is a Windows 10 thread.

So go somewhere else with your half-baked, ill-informed Linux evangelism.

Edited January 20, 2016 by Chicog

[Gary A]

I have used Linux and found that there are simply too many things that are not compatible. I am using Windows 10 and am happy with it. Linux is great for some users. I have a good friend who is not computer savvy in any way and who also doesn't like to spend money on genuine products. He had all sorts of problems with Windows. He only uses the computer for basic things, mostly Internet. I installed Linux Mint for him and he thinks Mint is much better than Windows. Mint does everything he wants to do. Not so for me.

[JaseTheBass]

I installed Linux mint on a old laptop. I didn't enjoy clapping with one hand so I threw it away and bought a new laptop with W10. Now everything works wonderfully.

[manfredtillmann]

i am simply amazed how this topic polarizes people. it is almost like a 'gm vs ford' thing.

the poster questioned if it was ok that his / her brand new computer wasted a 2 gig download and 3 hours of lifetime just to 'update' itself after a new purchase and i ventured to point out that this is something one does not have to put up with.

only 6 weeks ago i went through the same scenario: bought a new toshiba laptop, started it up and got taken through a range of downloads (over which i had no control), the process lending my computer useless for hours and cost me a lot of money (i am on an internet connection that costs me A$180 for 12 gigs).

i do not know what people do with their computers, i just communicate and run my business.

so, (should i start a new thread?), what is it that W10 can do and actually does that you feel good with, need, are happy to accept.

mr. halfbaked, feel free not to participate

cheers

mt

[Forkinhades]

^ Indeed sir, start a new thread please

[Pib]

my useful input is: forget about the intrusive and painful w10 and install linux ubuntu or mint. it will do everything w10 does, but just SOOOOO much better. and no worries about who, what and where you are or have been.

The lonely cry of a Linux user....Linux has a 1.7% market share of the personal PC market. If it's so great, why does it have such a low market share?

https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0

don't you agree that just because something is done by a small minority it does not automatically mean that this something is bad?

just think about the percentage of farangs moving to / living in thailand compared to those who stay 'at home' and live a 'normal' life.

linux has always been 'niche' because it was difficult to operate. it scared people. try the latest 'mint' version and make your own mind up. it is fast, reliable, un - intrusive and very, very functional.

(i have been a windows user since W3.1, installed from 5 floppy disks onto my trusty 386/40 - some 25 years ago)

14.04.0

Actually over the last 3 to 4 days I have tried Linux Mint 17.3 Cinnamon, Linux Mint 17.3 MATE, and Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS (all the latest stable versions) on a 2005 Toshiba laptop running an Intel Celeron (1 core) and 2GB RAM...yes a 11 year old, low horse power machine. It's my backup, secondary computer in case my 2 year old i7 based laptop breaks. The core Celeron don't have much horsepower. It originally came with XP and then I upgraded it to Win 7 and it runs Win 7 just fine. Since swapping in and out hard drives on this laptop is easy & fast and since I have some spare hard drives I installed the different Linux versions on a separate drive vs putting it on the same drive as I had Win 7. Since this was just for testing purposes of Linux, I tucked my Win 7 drive safety away.

Tried loading the Mint Cinnamon flavor three times...only kinda successful in one of those three attempts. By kinda successful I mean working good enough to use it somewhat. Two of the three attempts seemed to put the laptop into a super slow mode, had display problems, along with no audio and it could not do dual display/external monitor. The machine just did not like Cinnamon...just had major compatibility issues with Cinnamon I guess. Although it was Ver 17.3 just like Mint MATE Ver 17.3, there must have been enough differences somewhere between Cinnamon and MATE to make a major difference to my laptop...I talk more about MATE below. Cinnamon would have probably worked fine on a "not so old" computer like my laptop is....and I expect it would have still worked fine on some other 11 year old machines--just not my 11 year old machine. Maybe the Cinnamon ISO download was bad...I don't know. In my googling I came across one or two articles that recommended a person's computer should not be over 10 years or age to effectively use Linux. I know some will probably say why in the world do you still have a 11 year old laptop--well, it's paid for and still works...serves admiralty as my "spare tire" computer....runs Win 7 fine and at least two flavors of Linux.

Next tried Ubuntu....it installed fine and during the half day or so I played with it, it only locked up once while I was surfing the internet. Didn't experience any capability issues over that half day. But the user interface seems old school, kinda like Windows 3. Ubuntu and my machine got along fine compatibility-wise

Next tried the Mint MATE flavor...it installed fine first time and during the day or so I played with it it never locked up. I then also reinstalled Ubuntu on the same drive to where I had dual booting Mint MATE and Ubuntu. Played with both Mint MATE and Ubuntu for most of yesterday and this morning. In terms of intuitiveness and similarity to Windows menus, there is no comparison---Mint is the clear winner in my book....easy to see why it's supposedly the most popular Linux version with the Cinnamon flavor being more popular that MATE. MATE and my machine got along fine compatibility-wise.

I was hoping Linux might make my low horsepower machine faster than Windows like when surfing the internet (I tried both Firefox and Chromium) but as it turned out it didn't--at least on this old machine. And I expect part of that was due to Windows drivers (manufacturer drivers) that better optimize the hardware to get the the most compatibility, stability and speed from the laptop since it seems few computer manufacturers write Linux drivers for their machines due to low market share.

Anyway, it was an interesting couple of days playing with some Linux flavors. Played with some Linux applications like LibreOffice. But the hard drive with Win 7 is now back in the computer since a lot of my curiosity about Linux has now been satisfied by personal use....and I now know it did not speed up my machine...at least not my machine.

Based on this short personal experience, I think the weblink below is an accurate and informative article.

Should I Convert to Linux

[manarak]

mint cinnamon / mint mate .. etc. are they linux distros or simple graphical interfaces like Gnome / KDE ?

if they are just GUIs, why not just install one robust distro of linux such as Ubuntu and try different GUIs on it?

[Pib]

mint cinnamon / mint mate .. etc. are they linux distros or simple graphical interfaces like Gnome / KDE ?

if they are just GUIs, why not just install one robust distro of linux such as Ubuntu and try different GUIs on it?

I'm only a linux novice but the different Linux Mint desktops (i.e., graphics interfaces, flavors) seem to come as separate editions/distributions.

See below link:

http://www.linuxmint.com/download.php

Edited January 23, 2016 by Pib

[manarak]

mint cinnamon / mint mate .. etc. are they linux distros or simple graphical interfaces like Gnome / KDE ?

if they are just GUIs, why not just install one robust distro of linux such as Ubuntu and try different GUIs on it?

I'm only a linux novice but the different Linux Mint desktops (i.e., graphics interfaces, flavors) seem to come as separate editions/distributions.

See below link:

http://www.linuxmint.com/download.php

from your link it appears that mint is the distro and cinnamon / mate / kde / etc. are what they call "desktops"

I'm not too knowledgable about desktops because I use linux without a desktop.

Edited January 23, 2016 by manarak

[Pib]

mint cinnamon / mint mate .. etc. are they linux distros or simple graphical interfaces like Gnome / KDE ?

if they are just GUIs, why not just install one robust distro of linux such as Ubuntu and try different GUIs on it?

I'm only a linux novice but the different Linux Mint desktops (i.e., graphics interfaces, flavors) seem to come as separate editions/distributions.

See below link:

http://www.linuxmint.com/download.php

from your link it appears that mint is the distro and cinnamon / mate / kde / etc. are what they call "desktops"

I'm not too knowledgable about desktops because I use linux without a desktop.

Yea, but they are downloaded as separate editions. You just don't say download Mint and then download a separate desktop to add on-top....as far as I know you can not uninstall/separate the desktop, uninstall just the desktop/GUI while leaving the core Mint in place. They come integrated...the core and desktop/GUI. And in that integration I expect the make some underlying changes to the Mint core code to get the desktop environment to interface properly.

Heck, while I was playing with Mint like during some updates I saw references to Mint being built upon some Ubunta core code with Ubunta being built upon some Deban core code. No different in how Win 10 still has some core code based on Win 8.X...Win 8.X on Win 7...etc., although Microsoft will try to make each new version sound like it's completely new species made from scratch.

Edited January 23, 2016 by Pib

[manarak]

mint cinnamon / mint mate .. etc. are they linux distros or simple graphical interfaces like Gnome / KDE ?

if they are just GUIs, why not just install one robust distro of linux such as Ubuntu and try different GUIs on it?

I'm only a linux novice but the different Linux Mint desktops (i.e., graphics interfaces, flavors) seem to come as separate editions/distributions.

See below link:

http://www.linuxmint.com/download.php

from your link it appears that mint is the distro and cinnamon / mate / kde / etc. are what they call "desktops"

I'm not too knowledgable about desktops because I use linux without a desktop.

Yea, but they are downloaded as separate editions. You just don't say download Mint and then download a separate desktop to add on-top....as far as I know you can not uninstall/separate the desktop, uninstall just the desktop/GUI while leaving the core Mint in place. They come integrated...the core and desktop/GUI. And in that integration I expect the make some underlying changes to the Mint core code to get the desktop environment to interface properly.

Heck, while I was playing with Mint like during some updates I saw references to Mint being built upon some Ubunta core code with Ubunta being built upon some Deban core code. No different in how Win 10 still has some core code based on Win 8.X...Win 8.X on Win 7...etc., although Microsoft will try to make each new version sound like it's completely new species made from scratch.

I don't know mint, but I am pretty sure on debian (similar to ubuntu) I could install KDE and gnome and also uninstall one or both.

[crabdog]

i am simply amazed how this topic polarizes people. it is almost like a 'gm vs ford' thing.

the poster questioned if it was ok that his / her brand new computer wasted a 2 gig download and 3 hours of lifetime just to 'update' itself after a new purchase and i ventured to point out that this is something one does not have to put up with.

only 6 weeks ago i went through the same scenario: bought a new toshiba laptop, started it up and got taken through a range of downloads (over which i had no control), the process lending my computer useless for hours and cost me a lot of money (i am on an internet connection that costs me A$180 for 12 gigs).

i do not know what people do with their computers, i just communicate and run my business.

so, (should i start a new thread?), what is it that W10 can do and actually does that you feel good with, need, are happy to accept.

mr. halfbaked, feel free not to participate

cheers

mt

Umm you forgot to mention that Linux distros tend to have updates every few days or weekly which are usually 150+ MB every time.

[SoiBiker]

I like Linux, but the guy just asked a simple question about his Windows install. No need to bombard him with all this.

[crabdog]

my useful input is: forget about the intrusive and painful w10 and install linux ubuntu or mint. it will do everything w10 does, but just SOOOOO much better. and no worries about who, what and where you are or have been.

The lonely cry of a Linux user....Linux has a 1.7% market share of the personal PC market. If it's so great, why does it have such a low market share?

https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0

don't you agree that just because something is done by a small minority it does not automatically mean that this something is bad?

just think about the percentage of farangs moving to / living in thailand compared to those who stay 'at home' and live a 'normal' life.

linux has always been 'niche' because it was difficult to operate. it scared people. try the latest 'mint' version and make your own mind up. it is fast, reliable, un - intrusive and very, very functional.

(i have been a windows user since W3.1, installed from 5 floppy disks onto my trusty 386/40 - some 25 years ago)

14.04.0

Actually over the last 3 to 4 days I have tried Linux Mint 17.3 Cinnamon, Linux Mint 17.3 MATE, and Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS (all the latest stable versions) on a 2005 Toshiba laptop running an Intel Celeron (1 core) and 2GB RAM...yes a 11 year old, low horse power machine. It's my backup, secondary computer in case my 2 year old i7 based laptop breaks. The core Celeron don't have much horsepower. It originally came with XP and then I upgraded it to Win 7 and it runs Win 7 just fine. Since swapping in and out hard drives on this laptop is easy & fast and since I have some spare hard drives I installed the different Linux versions on a separate drive vs putting it on the same drive as I had Win 7. Since this was just for testing purposes of Linux, I tucked my Win 7 drive safety away.

Tried loading the Mint Cinnamon flavor three times...only kinda successful in one of those three attempts. By kinda successful I mean working good enough to use it somewhat. Two of the three attempts seemed to put the laptop into a super slow mode, had display problems, along with no audio and it could not do dual display/external monitor. The machine just did not like Cinnamon...just had major compatibility issues with Cinnamon I guess. Although it was Ver 17.3 just like Mint MATE Ver 17.3, there must have been enough differences somewhere between Cinnamon and MATE to make a major difference to my laptop...I talk more about MATE below. Cinnamon would have probably worked fine on a "not so old" computer like my laptop is....and I expect it would have still worked fine on some other 11 year old machines--just not my 11 year old machine. Maybe the Cinnamon ISO download was bad...I don't know. In my googling I came across one or two articles that recommended a person's computer should not be over 10 years or age to effectively use Linux. I know some will probably say why in the world do you still have a 11 year old laptop--well, it's paid for and still works...serves admiralty as my "spare tire" computer....runs Win 7 fine and at least two flavors of Linux.

Next tried Ubuntu....it installed fine and during the half day or so I played with it, it only locked up once while I was surfing the internet. Didn't experience any capability issues over that half day. But the user interface seems old school, kinda like Windows 3. Ubuntu and my machine got along fine compatibility-wise

Next tried the Mint MATE flavor...it installed fine first time and during the day or so I played with it it never locked up. I then also reinstalled Ubuntu on the same drive to where I had dual booting Mint MATE and Ubuntu. Played with both Mint MATE and Ubuntu for most of yesterday and this morning. In terms of intuitiveness and similarity to Windows menus, there is no comparison---Mint is the clear winner in my book....easy to see why it's supposedly the most popular Linux version with the Cinnamon flavor being more popular that MATE. MATE and my machine got along fine compatibility-wise.

I was hoping Linux might make my low horsepower machine faster than Windows like when surfing the internet (I tried both Firefox and Chromium) but as it turned out it didn't--at least on this old machine. And I expect part of that was due to Windows drivers (manufacturer drivers) that better optimize the hardware to get the the most compatibility, stability and speed from the laptop since it seems few computer manufacturers write Linux drivers for their machines due to low market share.

Anyway, it was an interesting couple of days playing with some Linux flavors. Played with some Linux applications like LibreOffice. But the hard drive with Win 7 is now back in the computer since a lot of my curiosity about Linux has now been satisfied by personal use....and I now know it did not speed up my machine...at least not my machine.

Based on this short personal experience, I think the weblink below is an accurate and informative article.

Should I Convert to Linux

Mint is aimed at fairly modern and up to date hardware. There are many Linux distributions that are targeted to older computers. You should try Linux Lite or Zorin Lite or something with the LXDE.

http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2014/08/5-linux-distributions-for-very-old.html

[lostinisaan]

linux .. will do everything w10 does, but just SOOOOO much better.

this is a lie.

yes, linux can do many things nowadays and can easily replace windows in office environments and mainstream computer use, but it can't do everything windows can do.

a lie it was not meant to be. perhaps there are programs that only run in windows -' i - tunes ' comes to mind, but there are alternatives that do the same job.

and, unlike w10, linux respects your privacy. it does not spy on you, collect data about your computer usage, your internet history. so, yes, perhaps you are right, linux does not do everything W10 does, it just does everything else soooooo much better .

When you're in a hole, that's the best time to stop digging.

All you are continuing to prove is that you don't know what you're talking about.

This is a Windows 10 thread.

So go somewhere else with your half-baked, ill-informed Linux evangelism.

Amen.-

[lostinisaan]

Maybe it was the Win 10 -1511 upgrade, also known as Win 10 Ver 10.0.10586, Threshold, The November Upgrade, etc. That update was several GBs in size and basically replaced the original 29 Jul 15 release of Ver 10.0.10240.

Yep, must have been this update. About 3 GB....