Gecko123 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) Let's get a few things straight. First of all, Thais don't like smiling for the sake of smiling. They like exchanging smiles. It's an interactive process, not a one way street. We need to stop acting like being friendly is the other guy's job. It's your job, too! Second of all, times are tough for Thais right now. The economy sucks, commodity prices are in the crap house, the Thai stock market is in bear market territory, there's a lot of political uncertainty and frustration. Thais could use a little encouragement. You live here, take some ownership in the on-the-ground situation. Become part of the community. You might be surprised by the dividends. Thirdly, the 'I hate all other foreigners and I'm going to pretend you don't exist' mentality needs to change. Thais see how we interact with one another, and the cold shoulder, 1000 yard stare doesn't go unnoticed by Thais. I'm not calling for BFF status be extended to one and all, but the expat community could be friendlier to one another. A good place would be to start here on TVF. End of rant. Edited January 20, 2016 by Gecko123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 It's the Thais business to sort out their problems, and I'm sure the vast majority of them agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gsxrnz Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) I like your post and am in general agreement. I find giving a grin to a Thai always gets one in return, and if you're in a service situation such as a restaurant, repair shop or similar, it generally breaks down the barrier and you tend to get better service and less of the "mai mee". However, doing the same with foreigners presents me with some difficulties. If they look, sound, act normal then I'm the first to say a Gidday or Owzitgoin. Bbut some of the slobs on their two week millionaire vacation that have the manners, language, dress, and behaviour of a Bogan or Chav will still only illicit a contemptuous smirk from me. Edited January 20, 2016 by Gsxrnz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gsxrnz Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 It's the Thais business to sort out their problems, and I'm sure the vast majority of them agree. You must have misunderstood the OP. The point was to exchange smiles with Thais, interact with them and reap the rewards. The same goes for foreigners (to which I have expressed my opinions already). But despite a vague reference to unhappy business times contributing to pressure on businesses, the post definitely wasn't about the Thai economy or business problems, nor who should fix them. It was about using a smile to make someone's day. So back on topic, what are your views on smiling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Well, surrounded by so many Russians in Jomtien, a culture where smiling at strangers is considered a sign of mental retardation, my inner Russian has emerged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gecko123 Posted January 20, 2016 Author Share Posted January 20, 2016 Well, surrounded by so many Russians in Jomtien, a culture where smiling at strangers is considered a sign of mental retardation, my inner Russian has emerged. Jingthing: You adopt the best aspects of a different culture, not the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Well, surrounded by so many Russians in Jomtien, a culture where smiling at strangers is considered a sign of mental retardation, my inner Russian has emerged. Jingthing: You adopt the best aspects of a different culture, not the worst. That's your value judgment about the Russian attitude towards smiling when you have nothing real to smile about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoiBiker Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I smile at everyone. Thai people almost always smile back. Farangs almost never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaeJoMTB Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 If you're on a bicycle, I'll smile and say hello (race and nationality not important). Will I smile at all random white guy's I don't know ...... definitely not ...... that's just crazy behaviour. If we don't have some activity in common, I don't want to know you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I'm just fooling around here. I smile when I feel like it. I don't when I don't. Obviously it's a two way street between people, you feel out each other's vibe and go with it. I don't really find much value in SMILE MORE publicity campaigns though. Seems really shallow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gecko123 Posted January 20, 2016 Author Share Posted January 20, 2016 If you're on a bicycle, I'll smile and say hello (race and nationality not important). Will I smile at all random white guy's I don't know ...... definitely not ...... that's just crazy behaviour. If we don't have some activity in common, I don't want to know you. And they say Thais are xenophobic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoiBiker Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 If you're on a bicycle, I'll smile and say hello (race and nationality not important). Will I smile at all random white guy's I don't know ...... definitely not ...... that's just crazy behaviour. If we don't have some activity in common, I don't want to know you. You don't have to stop and chat, or even say hello. But a smile as you pass by costs nothing, takes no time, and shows the world you're not a miserable old sod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gsxrnz Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Well, surrounded by so many Russians in Jomtien, a culture where smiling at strangers is considered a sign of mental retardation, my inner Russian has emerged. Jingthing: You adopt the best aspects of a different culture, not the worst. That's your value judgment about the Russian attitude towards smiling when you have nothing real to smile about. Um....I think Gecko was referring to adopting the best aspects of the Thai culture - it was you that brought the Russians into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) I'm not here to integrate into Thai culture. I hope that's OK with y'all. Edited January 20, 2016 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoiBiker Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I don't smile at everyone because I'm trying to be Thai. It's something I've done all my life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooked Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I used to get a little upset about not being acknowledged by Farangs when I went on my weekly shopping trip into town. I have learned to differentiate between the three month happy holiday guys ( Thai lady either 30 metres in front or nagging about something) and guys that are here all year. Neither of them are particularly communicative, although out here in Buriram it is definitely better than in Pattaya. In the last mountain village I stayed in in Switzerland, people would stop their car / tractor if you didn't respond to a greeting to see what was wrong. So 20 metres up the supermarket aisle you have a stroke and nobody comes to help you? I wonder why that is? I see a Farang about once a week, very often they look lost and confused so I let them know maybe I can help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad mary Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Smiling is a waste of energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gecko123 Posted January 20, 2016 Author Share Posted January 20, 2016 Smiling is a waste of energy. Kind of like reading your posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoiBiker Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Astounding quite how misanthropic some people here have allowed themselves to become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gsxrnz Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I'm not here to integrate into Thai culture. I hope that's OK with y'all. Now I'm scared that if I smile too much, I'll wake up in the morning and find I've turned into a Thai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad mary Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Smiling is a waste of energy. Kind of like reading your posts. Are you tired? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swissie Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Only Thai's can differentiate in a split-second, whether it's a "push button, traditionally required smile", or the "real one". Farangs can't. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoiBiker Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 What's a 'real smile', anyway? People smile for all sorts of reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curtklay Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Smiling is a waste of energy. Kind of like reading your posts. And yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Only Thai's can differentiate in a split-second, whether it's a "push button, traditionally required smile", or the "real one". Farangs can't. Cheers. Speak for yourself. When in doubt, it's probably the former. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoiBiker Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 A smile doesn't have to be the signal of a life-long friendship, or genuine affection and respect - indeed, from a stranger, it's highly unlikely to be either. Sometimes people just smile to be nice. It's as 'real' as any other smile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swissie Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 What's a 'real smile', anyway? People smile for all sorts of reasons. This is about "Thai-Smiles". For years, Thai-Wife tried to explain, the slight differences between "Thai smiles". to me. Never been able to differentiate between the 77 different "smile degrees." (Including tone of voice and hardly noticeable "body language" (for Farangs,)) No, not the way Italians and French use their hands while talking. A No-No in Thailand. Europe / US versus Asia. Will it be a peaceful "merger" or 2 worlds that collide? Our children will know the answer. Good to know that the Thai's will keep on smiling, regardless of what "message" is conveyed this way. If Farangs understand even a slight "undertone" of the Thai smile is absolutely of no relevance to Thais. Thai Rak Thai. Farang rak Farang in Thailand? Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoiBiker Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 You know farangs smile for many different reasons too, right? Some of the farangs here seem to be somewhat lacking in social skills, so I guess it's no surprise that the smiling thing confuses them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gecko123 Posted January 20, 2016 Author Share Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) Only Thai's can differentiate in a split-second, whether it's a "push button, traditionally required smile", or the "real one". Farangs can't. Cheers. Looking in the person's eyes can usually resolve any ambiguity which might exist. Edited January 20, 2016 by Gecko123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgjackson69 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Only Thai's can differentiate in a split-second, whether it's a "push button, traditionally required smile", or the "real one". Farangs can't. Cheers. The idea that farangs can't decipher Thai smiles is silly. Looking in a person's eyes can usually resolve any ambiguity which might exist. Yes, even the inscrutable Asians smile with their eyes if it is real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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