Less Farang Living In LOS?

[charmonman]

O.P. - well spotted!

What I can say to add my 2 cents is that most of the dinosaurs, (like me) who made it through the 90s in LOS, and were able to set up a business and work themselves up to a certain standard, are still around. We all mostly will stay since most of us have house, wife, job/business, kids, etc. and basically are (and have the backing to support that) comfortably numb... Plus have we lost the "connection" to our native homeland... We would simply not fit in anymore...

But let's be honest - LOS is not the fun place it was used to be. As (talking to people who started here in the 90s) if all those coups, violently extinguished student protests, civil unrest and bombings in the south, the carnage(s) Thaksin was responsible for, the tsunami, the following yellow vs red disasters, airport seizure, civil war alike scenes in bkk, flood disaster in bkk, shut down bangkok idiocracy, and on and on goes the list...

As if all this was not enough to destroy the common westerners illusion of "paradise of smiles", we got overfishing, destruction of reefs by fishing fleets, speedboats, and jet skies, we got lazy and greedy park rangers, trashing Thais, murdering island mafiosi, murdering taxi drivers, in broad daylight tourist executing policemen, gang shootings, unexplained tourist "suicides" by the thousands, 2nd worldwide in traffic accidents per capita, a whole generation of useless drug-addicted Thai youngsters, jet ski scams, pickpockets wherever you go, sun bed and sun umbrella ban on beaches, destruction of highly profitable beach club areas, a corrupt and highly inefficient legal system, a corrupt police force in limbo, inefficient, corrupt and lazy officials wherever you look, an education system that never was good but now turns worse with native English teachers being driven out like in a witch hunt... oh man, where should I stop??? This could fill a book!

As if all the aforementioned points wouldn't be enough to destroy that illusion, we got more for you: Crackdowns on part foreign owned businesses whenever a Thai tourist related company screws up, crackdowns on visas, crackdown on foreigners in general, or (what we also had recently) police and/or army simply checking and padding down any tourist they might run into at a local 7Eleven, ever changing laws and/or regulations all purely focused on making the life of a foreigner living and working here as difficult as possible, the general anti foreign attitude many locals still reflect in their behavior, the selfcenteredness of the Thai people with their "we are the greatest, we were never occupied, never colonized, (never civilized?), nobody can beat us, nobody can tell us what to do!" attitude, etc. along with all those scams and ripoffs in private Thai/foreign partnerships that we all know just too well...

Man, if all of that is not enough to destroy your illusion of the "paradise of smiles" you either are a complete nutter, a LOS dinosaur (feeding on all those sweet memories of the long gone good times), or both...

I believe I am the latter as much too often I am asking myself "what the fffork am I doing here?"... I believe many of the oldtimers here will share my sentiment...

Yea, I wonder the same thing, why the fffork are you here?"

You have taken all the negatives about Thailand and collated them into one big heap. You could do that with any country. If that`s how you feel that Thailand has only negatives to offer and nothing good going for it, then why the fffork are you here?" The same goes for anyone else that feels the same way you do.

He's here because he has been here for a long time and has built a life here. Nevertheless the place has changed in ways that are not positive and it makes him wonder if it is still worth it. Ever heard of the concept of people having mixed emotions? It's pretty much covered in his post. What part of it did you not understand?

Tell us cyberfarang, could you fill us in on how you could possibly be so judgemental of the opinions of those with a far longer experience of this place, including of an era that you did not experience?

[Berkshire]

You want to see new faces? Go to Chiang Mai Immigration just about any day of the week! As far as I'm concerned, there are too damn many of them now!

Yeap, that's pretty much the truth. Maybe we can send some of our disenchanted farangs from Chiang Mai to wherever the heck the OP is...if that will make him feel better.

[geronimo]

I think there are more foreigners living in bkk as the digital nomad fad allows many to live wherever they choose.

[kannot]

Just yesterday the Thai manager of my gated community said he didn't like farang here anymore; 'don't spend money'. 90% of the houses here are farang purchased and we pay his 'maintenance' fee to keep the place going. ting tong man

They probably complain and it means he actually has to do some work instead of sitting on his ar*e all day

[pgrahmm]

Actually just the opposite....When we moved into our Moo Baan it was 70% Thai and I liked it.....People were quietly friendly and the people walking/jogging/biking were of the same ratio or higher.....Most of the time I might be the only white face out there....Smiles aplenty....

Now it's almost reversed - Loud english speaking neighbors.....Mostly loudish chatting jogging/biking/walking farangs up and down the streets & the Thais numbers are minimal and the happy smiles gone with them.....The farangs are too busy chatting/grimacing/focused to bother with a friendly smile..... I didn't move to LOS to have the same things and people/manners/culture I moved away from....I genuinely like and enjoy the Thai people.....

Not to mention the new Outlet Shopping Center about a 15 minute drive away (next to the new McD's) - a portent of things to come.....

Seriously thinking about moving - but not away from Thailand.....

So some areas are being flooded.....Seems to be a new international school popping up every year so the influx appears to be more stable people opposed to the bar deizens.....

[SoiBiker]

Depends where you live, where you hang out and with whom

I can only speak for BKK but I'm seeing untold younger farangs around the more upmarket establishments

They're hanging out with young, hip locals and they won't be seen dead in Cowboy, NEP or Pattaya.

The demographics of the farang expat have changed considerably . . . Thank God

I agree. No shortage of farangs around here. They're just living and socialising in different places. The demographic shift also explains the decline of forums - they're not very popular with younger people, who tend to use other kinds of social media like Facebook or Twitter instead.

[gandalf12]

There will always be movements in the foreigners who live here. It is natural. Since the visa regulations are starting to be enforced many will leave but I doubt if that is really a bad thing. Many overstay as a desperate attempt to stay when otherwise they would have to leave but thy will eventually be found and removed. Some, as has already be stated, leave because they miss their country of origin. I reckon the stable long term expatriates will be mostly made up of those people who have traveled a lot their whole life. Among the mix will be a significant number of Oil & Gas workers as we tend to move from job to job and are used to living in different countries. The rest will consist of relatively short timers i.e. staying a few years then moving on or back home.

I am sure someone here will disagree so let's hear the other side of the argument.

[pgrahmm]

Actually just the opposite....When we moved into our Moo Baan it was 70% Thai and I liked it.....People were quietly friendly and the people walking/jogging/biking were of the same ratio or higher.....Most of the time I might be the only white face out there....Smiles aplenty....

Now it's almost reversed - Loud english speaking neighbors.....Mostly loudish chatting jogging/biking/walking farangs up and down the streets & the Thais numbers are minimal and the happy smiles gone with them.....The farangs are too busy chatting/grimacing/focused to bother with a friendly smile..... I didn't move to LOS to have the same things and people/manners/culture I moved away from....I genuinely like and enjoy the Thai people.....

Not to mention the new Outlet Shopping Center about a 15 minute drive away (next to the new McD's) - a portent of things to come.....

Seriously thinking about moving - but not away from Thailand.....

So some areas are being flooded.....Seems to be a new international school popping up every year so the influx appears to be more stable people opposed to the bar denizens.....

Spelling correction...

[sawadee1947]

yes, I think so. Here in Chiang Mai it's quite evident. Go to Makro or BigC, there are only a few "farangs" around. Same on the Night Market, but...............a huge amount of Chinese....!

[villagefarang]

Thailand has always been a transient place with a lot of churn. I have seen so many people come and go, it has simply become normal. Nationalities and ethnicities change as well as age groups. My life here is good, always has been, and I don’t seem to encounter the problems so many of you go on about.

I don’t doubt that the mix of foreigners is changing but I don’t see that as unusual or a sign of imminent demise. Admittedly I am speaking as one of the original dinosaurs dating back to the 70s so my perspective is a little different from most.

[MaeJoMTB]

I guess not everyone likes living under a military dictatorship where they can't even look at certain news sources on the internet legally. Land of the free and of smiles it has not been for a long time, if ever.

Yeah pull the other one. Most of these people couldn't give a monkey's about the junta as long as they're getting their leg over regularly.

You nailed it CH!

[MockingJay]

O.P. - well spotted!

What I can say to add my 2 cents is that most of the dinosaurs, (like me) who made it through the 90s in LOS, and were able to set up a business and work themselves up to a certain standard, are still around. We all mostly will stay since most of us have house, wife, job/business, kids, etc. and basically are (and have the backing to support that) comfortably numb... Plus have we lost the "connection" to our native homeland... We would simply not fit in anymore...

But let's be honest - LOS is not the fun place it was used to be. As (talking to people who started here in the 90s) if all those coups, violently extinguished student protests, civil unrest and bombings in the south, the carnage(s) Thaksin was responsible for, the tsunami, the following yellow vs red disasters, airport seizure, civil war alike scenes in bkk, flood disaster in bkk, shut down bangkok idiocracy, and on and on goes the list...

As if all this was not enough to destroy the common westerners illusion of "paradise of smiles", we got overfishing, destruction of reefs by fishing fleets, speedboats, and jet skies, we got lazy and greedy park rangers, trashing Thais, murdering island mafiosi, murdering taxi drivers, in broad daylight tourist executing policemen, gang shootings, unexplained tourist "suicides" by the thousands, 2nd worldwide in traffic accidents per capita, a whole generation of useless drug-addicted Thai youngsters, jet ski scams, pickpockets wherever you go, sun bed and sun umbrella ban on beaches, destruction of highly profitable beach club areas, a corrupt and highly inefficient legal system, a corrupt police force in limbo, inefficient, corrupt and lazy officials wherever you look, an education system that never was good but now turns worse with native English teachers being driven out like in a witch hunt... oh man, where should I stop??? This could fill a book!

As if all the aforementioned points wouldn't be enough to destroy that illusion, we got more for you: Crackdowns on part foreign owned businesses whenever a Thai tourist related company screws up, crackdowns on visas, crackdown on foreigners in general, or (what we also had recently) police and/or army simply checking and padding down any tourist they might run into at a local 7Eleven, ever changing laws and/or regulations all purely focused on making the life of a foreigner living and working here as difficult as possible, the general anti foreign attitude many locals still reflect in their behavior, the selfcenteredness of the Thai people with their "we are the greatest, we were never occupied, never colonized, (never civilized?), nobody can beat us, nobody can tell us what to do!" attitude, etc. along with all those scams and ripoffs in private Thai/foreign partnerships that we all know just too well...

Man, if all of that is not enough to destroy your illusion of the "paradise of smiles" you either are a complete nutter, a LOS dinosaur (feeding on all those sweet memories of the long gone good times), or both...

I believe I am the latter as much too often I am asking myself "what the fffork am I doing here?"... I believe many of the oldtimers here will share my sentiment...

Yea, I wonder the same thing, why the fffork are you here?"

You have taken all the negatives about Thailand and collated them into one big heap. You could do that with any country. If that`s how you feel that Thailand has only negatives to offer and nothing good going for it, then why the fffork are you here?" The same goes for anyone else that feels the same way you do.

He's here because he has been here for a long time and has built a life here. Nevertheless the place has changed in ways that are not positive and it makes him wonder if it is still worth it. Ever heard of the concept of people having mixed emotions? It's pretty much covered in his post. What part of it did you not understand?

Tell us cyberfarang, could you fill us in on how you could possibly be so judgemental of the opinions of those with a far longer experience of this place, including of an era that you did not experience?

Thanks, Charmonman! Couldn't have put it any better myself!

Best to describe this feeling would be the metaphor of the frog in a cooking pot...

Excerpt from Wikipedia: The boiling frog is an anecdote describing a frog slowly being boiled alive. The premise is that if a frog is placed in boiling water, it will jump out, but if it is placed in cold water that is slowly heated, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death. The story is often used as a metaphor for the inability or unwillingness of people to react to or be aware of threats that occur gradually.

I came here with almost nothing two and a half decades ago and back then it was (like someone ever said in this forum) Wild West, paradise, Hades, all mixed together. I had tough times, yes, but all the positive things about LOS weighed out the bad ones by far. Nowadays, after I build up a family, life and business here, I realize in shock that the place I love so much is slowly changing into the opposite of what I found back then.

On top of all the points I mentioned, democracy as such, we can kiss goodbye (anyone suggesting otherwise is a hopeless dreamer), fun places are being wiped out one after another, common Thais' livelihoods are destroyed by stupid and erratic regulations, such as the beach cleanup (which in reality was about money - not saving nature), making Thai people become uneasy, afraid of not getting a job, making enough money, etc. which in return fuels the anti-foreign sentiment among common Thais. The increase in anti foreign sentiment can clearly be felt at official places such as immigration, police, labor dept. as well. They even start to cause problems for foreigners who are on O visas with their 800k nicely deposited as requested. Then the need to register for foreigners within 24 hours wherever they go, etc...

One must be blind to not see that they feel they have to save their butts to be prepared for the big crunch to come. And - superficial minded as a lot of common Thais AND officials are - they think best is to drive foreigners out who could be in a position to "steal" a part of THEIR cake...

I am too old and too alert to not be able to see the writings on the wall... All this makes me sad and angry at the same time. I am sad to see the good old Thailand as I knew it fade with lightning speed (still can see the tail lights in the distance) while a monster emerges that I am unable to grasp or comprehend. I always knew that - as a foreigner - I always will be 2nd class citizen, but I am not sure if I can handle 3rd class or "outcast" if you understand what I mean.

Said should be that superficial "if you don't like it, then go" posters will have no effect on me as most have no idea what they are talking about, being here for a few years or so. I believe that most "dinosaurs" are in agreement with what I wrote and that they feel the same, with various intensity though, depending on them being alone or with a family...

I put a lot of heart and soul in my posts to this topic, thus it takes more than a two sentence post with "if you don't like it, then leave!" to pull me into a serious discussion. To say this is cheap and superficial, and this topic is too complex to distill it in a mere "take it or leave it" context. Anyone who does not understand this should move on to another topic please. Thank you!

Edited January 31, 2016 by MockingJay

[NeverSure]

O.P. - well spotted!

What I can say to add my 2 cents is that most of the dinosaurs, (like me) who made it through the 90s in LOS, and were able to set up a business and work themselves up to a certain standard, are still around. We all mostly will stay since most of us have house, wife, job/business, kids, etc. and basically are (and have the backing to support that) comfortably numb... Plus have we lost the "connection" to our native homeland... We would simply not fit in anymore...

But let's be honest - LOS is not the fun place it was used to be. As (talking to people who started here in the 90s) if all those coups, violently extinguished student protests, civil unrest and bombings in the south, the carnage(s) Thaksin was responsible for, the tsunami, the following yellow vs red disasters, airport seizure, civil war alike scenes in bkk, flood disaster in bkk, shut down bangkok idiocracy, and on and on goes the list...

As if all this was not enough to destroy the common westerners illusion of "paradise of smiles", we got overfishing, destruction of reefs by fishing fleets, speedboats, and jet skies, we got lazy and greedy park rangers, trashing Thais, murdering island mafiosi, murdering taxi drivers, in broad daylight tourist executing policemen, gang shootings, unexplained tourist "suicides" by the thousands, 2nd worldwide in traffic accidents per capita, a whole generation of useless drug-addicted Thai youngsters, jet ski scams, pickpockets wherever you go, sun bed and sun umbrella ban on beaches, destruction of highly profitable beach club areas, a corrupt and highly inefficient legal system, a corrupt police force in limbo, inefficient, corrupt and lazy officials wherever you look, an education system that never was good but now turns worse with native English teachers being driven out like in a witch hunt... oh man, where should I stop??? This could fill a book!

As if all the aforementioned points wouldn't be enough to destroy that illusion, we got more for you: Crackdowns on part foreign owned businesses whenever a Thai tourist related company screws up, crackdowns on visas, crackdown on foreigners in general, or (what we also had recently) police and/or army simply checking and padding down any tourist they might run into at a local 7Eleven, ever changing laws and/or regulations all purely focused on making the life of a foreigner living and working here as difficult as possible, the general anti foreign attitude many locals still reflect in their behavior, the selfcenteredness of the Thai people with their "we are the greatest, we were never occupied, never colonized, (never civilized?), nobody can beat us, nobody can tell us what to do!" attitude, etc. along with all those scams and ripoffs in private Thai/foreign partnerships that we all know just too well...

Man, if all of that is not enough to destroy your illusion of the "paradise of smiles" you either are a complete nutter, a LOS dinosaur (feeding on all those sweet memories of the long gone good times), or both...

I believe I am the latter as much too often I am asking myself "what the fffork am I doing here?"... I believe many of the oldtimers here will share my sentiment...

Very good post. You managed to get all of that out without once mentioning "scheme" or "hub".

I would have added litter, my #1 peeve.

Cheers.

[kannot]

You can see it clearly in the condo rental business in which my Wife works and she deals with thousands of people, they simply cant stay here easily anymore so there's less of them.

At one time everyone wanted a 1 year contract that became 6 months then 3 and now just not a lot of her customers are foreigners. Now most are Thai and buying rooms

So maybe more short term visitors but less long term ( year) stayers

[JSixpack]

She's a som tam and family girl, hates the UK. In her own words- 'too many <deleted>'

Well, it's simple: you gotta get her away from all those areas with the many <deleted> where you usually hang out. So vile, when compared to Pattaya. I understand her completely. But there ARE alternatives.

You may miss your ol' <deleted>, mind, but Hart in Hampshire looks lovely, no cesspool that: Best places to live in the UK: Hart in Hampshire tops list for the fifth year in a row. Bet she'd like it. And it's quite possible to make fantastic som tam there, as explained in a recent article in The Guardian: How to make the perfect som tam.

Lots of helpful threads on the forum about moving back to the UK. Check 'em out; happiness awaits! Best o' luck.

[IMA_FARANG]

Yes you are right.

At my condo, there is a 50% drop in rentals according to statistics.....

I have the same experiences, had many fellow farrangs that have moved out of Thailand and that is after being here a long time.

Most have actually gone to Cambodia.

Reason?

Cambodia is like how Thailand was 20 years ago.....

Very easy visa, paying $ 280 and you get a one year multiple business visa.

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Very easy visa, paying $ 280 and you get a one year multiple business visa.

Yes, but Cambodia is a S++=hole.

[Brewster67]

I am not sure immigration attitude to farangs is to blame, foreigners supply them with their jobs for a start.

Countries are usually reciprocal on their immigration regulations, and Thais are all over the world and usually enjoy similar rules to what they subject the citizens of their host country enjoy here.

I think immigration crack downs are only Thais enforcing existing policy. All countries do that.

Personally being over 50 and on annual visas for a foreigner married to a Thai is quite easy, albeit they could streamline the yearly renewal process rather than have to go through a long winded process, other than all the paperwork, it is fine. In fact it is a lot tougher getting my Thai wife to live with me in the UK than it is for her to have me living here with her.

[fekman]

All this bitching - I've been here almost 30 years, have no intention of ever leaving, and have encountered no hostility at all.

I like it here also. Maybe we are 'institutionalized'. When they free bears from bear bile farms and put them in sanctuaries, they also put cages there, and the bears spend lots of time, even sleeping in the cages every night.

[ffaarraanngg]

Depends where you live, where you hang out and with whom

I can only speak for BKK but I'm seeing untold younger farangs around the more upmarket establishments

They're hanging out with young, hip locals and they won't be seen dead in Cowboy, NEP or Pattaya.

The demographics of the farang expat have changed considerably . . . Thank God

What? A bunch of insufferable gays?

It's bigoted farang dinosaurs with similar opinions to yours that are dying out in this country.

Cause for celebration indeed.

He's not the problem,its people like you who take offence to everyone and everything that don't follow your PC mantra who are the problem with the world in the C21.

How i long for the times when people could say and do as they pleased without being branded a nazi, homophobe, racist, sexist etc...., your kind have created a situation where you're looking out to be offended on a minutely basis .. And you move to Thailand to spread this disease,

Edited January 31, 2016 by ffaarraanngg

[Brewster67]

O.P. - well spotted!

What I can say to add my 2 cents is that most of the dinosaurs, (like me) who made it through the 90s in LOS, and were able to set up a business and work themselves up to a certain standard, are still around. We all mostly will stay since most of us have house, wife, job/business, kids, etc. and basically are (and have the backing to support that) comfortably numb... Plus have we lost the "connection" to our native homeland... We would simply not fit in anymore...

But let's be honest - LOS is not the fun place it was used to be. As (talking to people who started here in the 90s) if all those coups, violently extinguished student protests, civil unrest and bombings in the south, the carnage(s) Thaksin was responsible for, the tsunami, the following yellow vs red disasters, airport seizure, civil war alike scenes in bkk, flood disaster in bkk, shut down bangkok idiocracy, and on and on goes the list...

As if all this was not enough to destroy the common westerners illusion of "paradise of smiles", we got overfishing, destruction of reefs by fishing fleets, speedboats, and jet skies, we got lazy and greedy park rangers, trashing Thais, murdering island mafiosi, murdering taxi drivers, in broad daylight tourist executing policemen, gang shootings, unexplained tourist "suicides" by the thousands, 2nd worldwide in traffic accidents per capita, a whole generation of useless drug-addicted Thai youngsters, jet ski scams, pickpockets wherever you go, sun bed and sun umbrella ban on beaches, destruction of highly profitable beach club areas, a corrupt and highly inefficient legal system, a corrupt police force in limbo, inefficient, corrupt and lazy officials wherever you look, an education system that never was good but now turns worse with native English teachers being driven out like in a witch hunt... oh man, where should I stop??? This could fill a book!

As if all the aforementioned points wouldn't be enough to destroy that illusion, we got more for you: Crackdowns on part foreign owned businesses whenever a Thai tourist related company screws up, crackdowns on visas, crackdown on foreigners in general, or (what we also had recently) police and/or army simply checking and padding down any tourist they might run into at a local 7Eleven, ever changing laws and/or regulations all purely focused on making the life of a foreigner living and working here as difficult as possible, the general anti foreign attitude many locals still reflect in their behavior, the selfcenteredness of the Thai people with their "we are the greatest, we were never occupied, never colonized, (never civilized?), nobody can beat us, nobody can tell us what to do!" attitude, etc. along with all those scams and ripoffs in private Thai/foreign partnerships that we all know just too well...

Man, if all of that is not enough to destroy your illusion of the "paradise of smiles" you either are a complete nutter, a LOS dinosaur (feeding on all those sweet memories of the long gone good times), or both...

I believe I am the latter as much too often I am asking myself "what the fffork am I doing here?"... I believe many of the oldtimers here will share my sentiment...

Yea, I wonder the same thing, why the fffork are you here?"

You have taken all the negatives about Thailand and collated them into one big heap. You could do that with any country. If that`s how you feel that Thailand has only negatives to offer and nothing good going for it, then why the fffork are you here?" The same goes for anyone else that feels the same way you do.

I am not sure that I can agree with your summary of what MockingJay has observed during his time here.

I can't see how you can conflate the changes he has seen during his stay, with 'heaped up negatives about Thailand'.

If all the changes he has experienced are of a negative nature, then surely that indicates that these changes are pushing Thailand in the wrong direction.

Make a list of all the positives of Thailand that have occurred since the 90s and I would say there would be not much of a comparison.

This observation is based on changes. Collate all the plus and minus points, and I know which side the scales will tip.

I concur that I have also had spells where I think what the hell am I doing here, I am sure the vast majority of people reading this have also asked themselves the same question at least a handful of times. It is no validation of a reason to jump on a plane and get the hell out of dodge, and even more unreasonable an action if you have a house, car, wife, family in situ.

For all of Thailand's woes, I look across the world daily through the media and view a Europe changing far faster than Thailand and in extremely negative ways, in fact a real civil war could break out there, as all the signs are showing. So I ask myself 'what the hell am I doing here' and then I realise that compared to what is happening in my own region, I am blessed to be here.

Edited January 31, 2016 by Brewster67

[SoiBiker]

Depends where you live, where you hang out and with whom

I can only speak for BKK but I'm seeing untold younger farangs around the more upmarket establishments

They're hanging out with young, hip locals and they won't be seen dead in Cowboy, NEP or Pattaya.

The demographics of the farang expat have changed considerably . . . Thank God

What? A bunch of insufferable gays?

It's bigoted farang dinosaurs with similar opinions to yours that are dying out in this country.

Cause for celebration indeed.

He's not the problem,its people like you who take offence to everyone and everything that don't follow your PC mantra who are the problem with the world in the C21.

How i long for the times when people could say and do as they pleased without being branded a nazi, homophobe, racist, sexist etc...., your kind have created a situation where you're looking out to be offended on a minutely basis .. And you move to Thailand to spread this disease,

The world has moved on. You might long for a time when you could insult or abuse anyone for being a little different to you, but thankfully things have changed.

[Brewster67]

Depends where you live, where you hang out and with whom

I can only speak for BKK but I'm seeing untold younger farangs around the more upmarket establishments

They're hanging out with young, hip locals and they won't be seen dead in Cowboy, NEP or Pattaya.

The demographics of the farang expat have changed considerably . . . Thank God

What? A bunch of insufferable gays?

It's bigoted farang dinosaurs with similar opinions to yours that are dying out in this country.

Cause for celebration indeed.

He's not the problem,its people like you who take offence to everyone and everything that don't follow your PC mantra who are the problem with the world in the C21.

How i long for the times when people could say and do as they pleased without being branded a nazi, homophobe, racist, sexist etc...., your kind have created a situation where you're looking out to be offended on a minutely basis .. And you move to Thailand to spread this disease,

Good and very true response. People who freely bandy those words around are usually the most bigotted people.... in their own bigotted way. A lot like the so called anti-fascists which are usually the biggest fascists on the street.

Look up the definitions of 'bigot' and 'fascist' and laugh at the irony.

[Brewster67]

You want to see new faces? Go to Chiang Mai Immigration just about any day of the week! As far as I'm concerned, there are too damn many of them now!

Yeap, that's pretty much the truth. Maybe we can send some of our disenchanted farangs from Chiang Mai to wherever the heck the OP is...if that will make him feel better.

No thanks, you can keep them where you are.

I usually avoid farang bars, and my OP was not a complaint or a plea for more farang. It was an observation to generate a conversation and to see if farangs in other parts of the country have noticed similar.

But I suppose it is only natural that there are going to be at least a small % of forum members who manage to totally misread a simple English post.

[Cypress Hill]

Depends where you live, where you hang out and with whom

I can only speak for BKK but I'm seeing untold younger farangs around the more upmarket establishments

They're hanging out with young, hip locals and they won't be seen dead in Cowboy, NEP or Pattaya.

The demographics of the farang expat have changed considerably . . . Thank God

What? A bunch of insufferable gays?

It's bigoted farang dinosaurs with similar opinions to yours that are dying out in this country.

Cause for celebration indeed.

He's not the problem,its people like you who take offence to everyone and everything that don't follow your PC mantra who are the problem with the world in the C21.

How i long for the times when people could say and do as they pleased without being branded a nazi, homophobe, racist, sexist etc...., your kind have created a situation where you're looking out to be offended on a minutely basis .. And you move to Thailand to spread this disease,

You think it's PC to take issue with someone saying "those insufferable gays"?

I mean, was the statement not sufficiently homophobic to warrant a response? Was it somehow ambiguous or open to interpretation?

It's only "PC" when you're not in the group or demographic being marginalised and/or being made the butt of abuse, discrimination or ridicule.

The thing is I would bet any money you care to propose that you're one of the whinging <deleted> who complain about dual pricing, being called 'farang' or being stopped and searched by the Thai cops

I bet you'd love it if legislation were introduced to outlaw that yet here you sit talking out of your ar5e about political correctness

Edited January 31, 2016 by Cypress Hill

[luke000]

Thailand has made it quite clear it isn't interested in foreigners staying here long term. It wants the two week holiday maker now.

I disagree .

There are long term visas available and Thailand wants people to stay here on the correct visa .

Quite understandably, Thailand doesnt want foreigners living here full time on tourist visas .

If you have a valid reason for staying in Thailand then there are visas available

Really. I very recently spoke with an English woman who told me she'd been living here (in Phuket) for just one year. When I'd asked her how she liked it here she told me, 'not good but not terrible, transport and visas were the worst'. Imagine having to report to Immigration (who are another branch of the police) every 90 days. Have to 'renew' your Extension of Stay every year, whether familied up or not, year after bloody year ad infinitum. No long term visas for anyone without a catch (eh? you 'elite visa holders you LOL!), in any other country in the world. Particularly a half arsed, half witted third world and-getting-worse country like this one. Dikhead.

I am rather confused by your reply .

You disagree with my post about there being long term/short term visas available to visit or live in Thailand, you then go on to use an example of an English Lady...............who has been here for a year , to disagree with my point , Confused

[seancbk]

Depends where you live, where you hang out and with whom

I can only speak for BKK but I'm seeing untold younger farangs around the more upmarket establishments

They're hanging out with young, hip locals and they won't be seen dead in Cowboy, NEP or Pattaya.

The demographics of the farang expat have changed considerably . . . Thank God

I agree.

I had dinner and drinks last might at Zuma in the St Regis, it was very busy with a good mix of expats and Thais.

We then went to Smalls which was packed with expats. It was a great night.

[luke000]

Thailand is less appealing these days to the two week Pattaya hedonistic set holiday people .

Bars close early these days and porn is freely available back home, along with big screen HD televisions , webcam chats are also available at a reasonable price , so there really is no need to fly half way around the World for "a night out"

[wow64]

Thailand is less appealing these days to the two week Pattaya hedonistic set holiday people .

Bars close early these days and porn is freely available back home, along with big screen HD televisions , webcam chats are also available at a reasonable price , so there really is no need to fly half way around the World for "a night out"

So a good webcam chat beats a "night out".

Have to disagree with you there.

Like saying I don't need that nice car I am a picture of it on my phone.

Edited January 31, 2016 by wow64

[MaeJoMTB]

Like saying I don't need that nice car I am have a picture of it on my phone.

As you get older, a photo is all you need.

Edited January 31, 2016 by MaeJoMTB

[luke000]

Thailand is less appealing these days to the two week Pattaya hedonistic set holiday people .

Bars close early these days and porn is freely available back home, along with big screen HD televisions , webcam chats are also available at a reasonable price , so there really is no need to fly half way around the World for "a night out"

So a good webcam chat beats a "night out".

Have to disagree with you there.

Like saying I don't need that nice car I am a picture of it on my phone.

But is it worth flying all the way around the World, just to have a quick drive in that car .

That souped up Ford Escort MK 3 may have been a dream drive 20 years ago , but that same motor is still there, available for a test drive .

Although it is showing signs of wear & tear . Some rust, deflated tyres and still quite expensive to fill it up with a full tank