Sanders transforms into contender, still pitches revolution

[jmd8800]

Something to consider when talking about Sanders endorsing Clinton.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/voting_with_our_feet_20160320

I am radical enough that I had a hard time supporting Sanders. Hence, I would never cast my vote for Clinton.

[helpisgood]

The compulsively unrelenting Hillary bashers are constantly full of invective and venom so their nonsense spills over into other matters too.

The long and the short of it is that Bernie Sanders has transformed back into a pumpkin again. In between transformations voters in the primaries put a slipper on HRC's foot. In January Bernie will return to the Senate as the Independent he is and this time as a high profile prince of the American upper middle class and of the youthfully exuberant.

Few who support HRC post positive features of or about her because the proliferation of Clinton assassins and haters always fill subsequent pages with their severe personal bents against anything Clinton, a woman as Potus number one. The rage against HRC from the OTT crowd is indeed too much to keep apace of or to get out ahead of.

When HRC announced for Potus Bernie was a political speck. Bernie and his team have done exceedingly well to establish themselves in the campaign and to excel at it, both substantively and as a matter of style. Bernie's campaign has set America on a new course and the course is a good one. It has impacted America and the world and it has directly influenced the Democratic party, in which Bernie Sanders is a recent arrival and only a nominal one.

Simply counting delegates won in primaries or caucuses, and simply counting raw votes, HRC prevails decisively. Almost all the remaining primaries, to include those tomorrow, are for Democrats only, no Independent voters are eligible, nor are Republicans eligible to switch party affiliation to vote in the interest of their party. Bernie will do well in CA but from here to the end of the primary and caucus process the voter participation is limited to the D party base.

Consequently, Bernie is waaay behind in almost each of the five states that will hold their primaries tomorrow -- PA, MD, DE, CT, RI. I look forward to Bernie's convention speech at the end of July that will bring down the house. And btw, there will not be any third party coming out of this D party contest for the nomination.

Hillary wants Bernie's new voters and the older voters the Vermont senator drew to the polls to support him and his cause. She'd be crazy not to want or court 'em. However, from the time HRC announced last year she needed only the Obama coalition to win, the coalition of 2008 and of 2012. Nothing more than that is required. Now with Trump or Cruz and an outside possibility of Kasich, the Republican nominee will not equal, much less surpass, the Romney losing vote of 2012.

HRC does not need you or any of the other obsessive compulsive Clinton bashers who have no institutional political ties, alignment or involvement that constitutes a commitment that is consistent, regular, informed and most of all, mainstream, to include temperament.

Wow, a much better written post, because It's the real you! Congratulations!

Keep it up!

Your sword is accepted.

Or fallen on.

Not clear which just yet.

Neither. You are reading too much into it.

I was merely complimenting you on your improved writing skills. It seems that you took my advice to heart. Good for you!

I do not accept corrupt HRC and the Democratic Party. And merely calling her critics as "bashers" or "haters" or whatever fails to address their points.

By the way, I used to really like Hillary Clinton. I understand that in politics, as in any other business, sometimes it seems pragmatic to compromise one's principles. However, I think HRC has sold out far too much. Or, maybe she was really always like that and I was naive. Anyway, I think she really loves power and wealth far too much, and at the expense of the people. She has disappointed me. I do hope better women politicians can run for president.

[Publicus]

Sanders ad hominem attacks have alienated him from the entire Democratic party base.

The primary voting we'll see first thing Wednesday morning our time here are for Democrats only. The five states have party members only primaries. No small 30-minute caucuses of first-time passionate tumbleweeds, no "open" primary states that allow Republicans to switch on primary day to vote in the Democratic party primary to suit Republicans (or vice-versa). Bernie is gonna get whacked in all five of 'em so don't wonder why at this point. Same as in New York state.

HRC is as solid with the D party voter base constituencies as Barack Obama has been in his two elections. Now HRC needs to move toward the center, as has been noted here and as everyone knows. Sanders attacks have been more than policy or institutional attacks, they have been entirely personal, ad hominem, same as the fringe nutcases around here across the board do against HRC. (Some of the fringe try to dress themselves up in Sunday go to meetin' clothing, but they fool only themselves.)

Because Bernie is an Independent in the US Senate, he's always caucused and aligned with the Democratic party in the Senate. It is the D party Senate leadership that gives Bernie committee assignments, its policy research, expertise, voting advice; the D party is Bernie's public platform in the Senate. No committee assignments, no work to do, i.e., no television coverage. If in January Bernie wants to find himself on the Agriculture Committee for a long snooze instead of on the Banking Committee raising hell, he's going to have to tighten some screws upstairs that have become loose. That's just the facts of life and in politics the facts of life can screw you before you wake up.

[CWMcMurray]

So the basic line seems to be... It's over and Hillary has won or soon will win (yes this is the inevitable out come)

So suck it up and get in line and vote for Hillary or piss off... As Hillary doesn't even need your vote...

Fine, she doesn't need my vote... Great...

Hope all of her supporter keep up that message..

Vote for Hillary or piss off, as she doesn't really even need your vote..

Edited April 26, 2016 by CWMcMurray

[Publicus]

Next....

[Jingthing]

So the basic line seems to be... It's over and Hillary has won or soon will win (yes this is the inevitable out come)

So suck it up and get in line and vote for Hillary or piss off... As Hillary doesn't even need your vote...

Fine, she doesn't need my vote... Great...

Hope all of her supporter keep up that message..

Vote for Hillary or piss off, as she doesn't really even need your vote..

She doesn't need your vote but she might need the votes of people that feel as you do.

So if people who feel that way really think Trump or Cruz is better, well I think that's bat sheit crazy, but so be it.

As it stands, Hillary does enjoy a strong base:

Urbanites / Blacks / Arabs / Jews / Latinos / Asians / GLBT / Women (BINGO)/ loyal democrats

She probably needs some swing middle voters more than she needs Bernie crybabies who choose to commit political suicide.

I have no idea how close it will be, but I still think Hillary wins.

Edited April 26, 2016 by Jingthing

[sgtsabai]

I believe somebody posted a bit ago about no commitment, am I right? How about jail DINO? Yea I've been there as a political prisoner, can you say the same? Nope, didn't think so. Hillary shouldn't be elected dawg catcher in a one dawg town and anybody that votes for her votes for the continued regression of the US into a irrelevant banana republic. I'll bash Clinton until hell freezes over, and ever damn bit will be true. Wake up and smell the crap you are drinking or smoking. That woman is barely a 1950's Republican, in fact she would be to the right of President Eisenhower, the last Republican president.

[Jingthing]

That woman is barely a 1950's Republican, in fact she would be to the right of President Eisenhower, the last Republican president.

Too too rich.

Ike was the last republican president.

Such advanced political knowledge displayed here.

Dude, you wanna hate on Hillary, hate on Hillary.

Enjoy the supreme court picks of Trump or Cruz.

The democratic party may be more right wing than it used to be (on some things) but the republican party is on another planet of right wing.

Edited April 26, 2016 by Jingthing

[sgtsabai]

Yep, it is political knowledge, gained from the late 60/70's until this day. Go hide DINO, people like me aren't going away and you should join the Republican Party. Yea, go ahead and vote for regression. A little more info on Hillary: http://www.truthdig.com/report/print/the_real_hillary_clinton_20160424

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/26/the-guy-who-screwed-america-s-economy-hearts-hillary-clinton.html?via=newsletter&source=DDMorning

[Jingthing]

Yep, it is political knowledge, gained from the late 60/70's until this day. Go hide DINO, people like me aren't going away and you should join the Republican Party. Yea, go ahead and vote for regression. A little more info on Hillary: http://www.truthdig.com/report/print/the_real_hillary_clinton_20160424 http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/26/the-guy-who-screwed-america-s-economy-hearts-hillary-clinton.html?via=newsletter&source=DDMorning

So can Hillary count on your vote then?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgiNNK2nqQg&feature=youtu.be

[Publicus]

So the basic line seems to be... It's over and Hillary has won or soon will win (yes this is the inevitable out come)

So suck it up and get in line and vote for Hillary or piss off... As Hillary doesn't even need your vote...

Fine, she doesn't need my vote... Great...

Hope all of her supporter keep up that message..

Vote for Hillary or piss off, as she doesn't really even need your vote..

She doesn't need your vote but she might need the votes of people that feel as you do.

So if people who feel that way really think Trump or Cruz is better, well I think that's bat sheit crazy, but so be it.

As it stands, Hillary does enjoy a strong base:

Urbanites / Blacks / Arabs / Jews / Latinos / Asians / GLBT / Women (BINGO)/ loyal democrats

She probably needs some swing middle voters more than she needs Bernie crybabies who choose to commit political suicide.

I have no idea how close it will be, but I still think Hillary wins.

The significant woman demographic is the married suburban Republican party women throughout the country.

This voter public can't vote for Trump or Cruz much in the same way they ran from the doomed candidacy of Sen Barry Goldwater who with his rightwingers seized the R party nomination in 1964. Half the Republican party bailed on him.

Elections of Potus for decades have been decided in the suburbs and this one will be no different. Suburban D party women and suburban R party women voting for HRC for Potus makes the right wing's nuts shrivel. I mean, just listen to 'em.

It is anyway the case that the ranting and raging against mainstream America is normal for the lunar right.

[NovaBlue05]

I don't care if he's a vegan anarchist ... he lost and it's time for him to be a good sport and not help Trump or Cruz to be president.

I don't think it is possible that Trump or Cruz could win the general election, but if one of them does it won't be because of anything Bernie did or didn't do. It will because the Democrats foisted a horribly flawed and highly unfavorable candidate on the electorate despite the urging of their core supporters and glaring evidence that she was vulnerable to loss.

That's total B.S.

Smell the coffee.

The democrat nominee will be Hillary Clinton.

It's happening.

Can Bernie get Trump or Cruz elected?

Sure he can.

If he fails to support Hillary and encourages his supporters to stay home.

Of course some Sanders people will see the appeal of Trump. They're crazy that way.

So Bernie should abandon his principles & ethics and throw his support behind the one candidate left in the race who is wholly owned by the Oligarchical establishment? I would rather he ended his race in a way that dignifies the message he has been giving. Simply say that he can't, in good conscience, support Clinton and walk away from it.

[CWMcMurray]

I don't care if he's a vegan anarchist ... he lost and it's time for him to be a good sport and not help Trump or Cruz to be president.

I don't think it is possible that Trump or Cruz could win the general election, but if one of them does it won't be because of anything Bernie did or didn't do. It will because the Democrats foisted a horribly flawed and highly unfavorable candidate on the electorate despite the urging of their core supporters and glaring evidence that she was vulnerable to loss.

That's total B.S.

Smell the coffee.

The democrat nominee will be Hillary Clinton.

It's happening.

Can Bernie get Trump or Cruz elected?

Sure he can.

If he fails to support Hillary and encourages his supporters to stay home.

Of course some Sanders people will see the appeal of Trump. They're crazy that way.

So Bernie should abandon his principles & ethics and throw his support behind the one candidate left in the race who is wholly owned by the Oligarchical establishment? I would rather he ended his race in a way that dignifies the message he has been giving. Simply say that he can't, in good conscience, support Clinton and walk away from it.

I am certain he will not do that... No matter how much I and many others would enjoy it.

I believe Bernie will tell his supporters that Hillary is better than the Republican candidate and that he hopes that she keep the promises and positions she said she had in the primaries

I just don't think I can bring myself to believe she will do so... But if some of the posters on here are right and she is elected.. Then hope she proves me wrong

Although still would like to see what happens if a non bought and paid for candidate was elected as POTUS...

At the least, it would force party leaders on both sides of the isle to take a long hard look at themselves and hopefully make real changes

[sgtsabai]

Hell will freeze over before I vote for another "Manchurian Candidate". Don't think a lot of other Bernie supporters don't feel the same way. The US is "going to hell in a hand basket" (no I'm not in anyway religious) because people like you always vote for the very, very lessor of 2 evils and are easily persuaded by "he can't win". I'm done with that. Let the chips fall where they may and we and the world will, unfortunately, reap the whirlwind. I may not live to see the result, but can only hope that good prevails over evil and Clinton is evil as are all Republicans. Our grandkids and great grandkids will be putting this mess back together for a long, long time. We didn't do a very good job.

[CWMcMurray]

Hell will freeze over before I vote for another "Manchurian Candidate". Don't think a lot of other Bernie supporters don't feel the same way. The US is "going to hell in a hand basket" (no I'm not in anyway religious) because people like you always vote for the very, very lessor of 2 evils and are easily persuaded by "he can't win". I'm done with that. Let the chips fall where they may and we and the world will, unfortunately, reap the whirlwind. I may not live to see the result, but can only hope that good prevails over evil and Clinton is evil as are all Republicans. Our grandkids and great grandkids will be putting this mess back together for a long, long time. We didn't do a very good job.

Agree with you in many cases, but not so much with this post...

I think Evil is a bit too strong... As think disingenuous or more concerned with their own personal gain rather than public good is closer to the truth...

When I think of evil... I see Pol Pot, Hitler, Maximilien Robespierre, Josef Mengele, Talat Pasha, Elizabeth Bathory and such...

These were all folk that killed countless people and seemed to relish the killing and mass murder

None of the candidates come close to the evil of the above listed people ...

Even the comments many make about Trump are ridiculous when comparing him to Hitler... That's like comparing the speed bump in front of my house to Mt Everest... Not even in the same ball park

Also have known some Republicans that were genuinely good people ... Heck , even my brother is a republican ... And don't consider him evil

Edited April 26, 2016 by CWMcMurray

[NovaBlue05]

It gets tiring having to always vote for evil

[jmd8800]

I don't care if he's a vegan anarchist ... he lost and it's time for him to be a good sport and not help Trump or Cruz to be president.

I don't think it is possible that Trump or Cruz could win the general election, but if one of them does it won't be because of anything Bernie did or didn't do. It will because the Democrats foisted a horribly flawed and highly unfavorable candidate on the electorate despite the urging of their core supporters and glaring evidence that she was vulnerable to loss.

That's total B.S.

Smell the coffee.

The democrat nominee will be Hillary Clinton.

It's happening.

Can Bernie get Trump or Cruz elected?

Sure he can.

If he fails to support Hillary and encourages his supporters to stay home.

Of course some Sanders people will see the appeal of Trump. They're crazy that way.

So Bernie should abandon his principles & ethics and throw his support behind the one candidate left in the race who is wholly owned by the Oligarchical establishment? I would rather he ended his race in a way that dignifies the message he has been giving. Simply say that he can't, in good conscience, support Clinton and walk away from it.

Democracy demands people take a stand and stick by it at all costs. I have had countless arguments with people who disagree with me when I say sometimes democracy demands a little altruism. They say I vote what is good for me and that is what democracy is about. I say at times you have to vote what is good for the whole, not just you.

I would much rather stand on my principles and say I do not support Hillary then to compromise my principles to be 'on the winning team', or prevent someone else from winning.

Personally I don't care who wins now. Nobody on the radar is going to address over population, climate change, environmental destruction, income inequality, permanent war, human rights, surveillance and privacy.... oh the list goes on and on. Bernie was the only candidate who would have brought these issues to the front, even if he could do nothing about them. At least there would be a discussion.

One of the big reasons I moved to Thailand was to get off the sinking ship (empire) called America. Good choice? Bad choice? Time will tell. But if people keep voting for the lesser of two evils and avoiding the real issues of the day it won't be long until we are all sunk.

By the way.. yesterday I was in the exercise room and saw a black spot moving across the carpet. On closer inspection I see it is a dead fly being carried by ants. I thought to myself ...Hillary being carried by her supporters.

[jmd8800]

In my above reply a portion of my post ended up in NovaBlue05's post. I had meant to cut and paste this in my post and somehow it ended up in NovaBlue05's.

The portion of my post: " Democracy demands people take a stand and stick by it at all costs. I have had countless arguments with people who disagree with me when I say sometimes democracy demands a little altruism. They say I vote what is good for me and that is what democracy is about. I say at times you have to vote what is good for the whole, not just you."

But the point is clear. Like the old saying goes: If you stand for nothing you'll fall for anything.

[Berkshire]

Looks like HRC will take 4 of 5. I like Bernie, but now is the time for him to bow out gracefully. It's not about him or even HRC now, it's about making sure a Republican does not become President.

[jmd8800]

Looks like HRC will take 4 of 5. I like Bernie, but now is the time for him to bow out gracefully. It's not about him or even HRC now, it's about making sure a Republican does not become President.

I think it is time for Hillary to go home. :-)

[up2u2]

Sanders ad hominem attacks have alienated him from the entire Democratic party base.

The primary voting we'll see first thing Wednesday morning our time here are for Democrats only. The five states have party members only primaries. No small 30-minute caucuses of first-time passionate tumbleweeds, no "open" primary states that allow Republicans to switch on primary day to vote in the Democratic party primary to suit Republicans (or vice-versa). Bernie is gonna get whacked in all five of 'em so don't wonder why at this point. Same as in New York state.

HRC is as solid with the D party voter base constituencies as Barack Obama has been in his two elections. Now HRC needs to move toward the center, as has been noted here and as everyone knows. Sanders attacks have been more than policy or institutional attacks, they have been entirely personal, ad hominem, same as the fringe nutcases around here across the board do against HRC. (Some of the fringe try to dress themselves up in Sunday go to meetin' clothing, but they fool only themselves.)

Because Bernie is an Independent in the US Senate, he's always caucused and aligned with the Democratic party in the Senate. It is the D party Senate leadership that gives Bernie committee assignments, its policy research, expertise, voting advice; the D party is Bernie's public platform in the Senate. No committee assignments, no work to do, i.e., no television coverage. If in January Bernie wants to find himself on the Agriculture Committee for a long snooze instead of on the Banking Committee raising hell, he's going to have to tighten some screws upstairs that have become loose. That's just the facts of life and in politics the facts of life can screw you before you wake up.

I disagree with you here Publicus. Bernie had to toughen up a little and take the fight to Hillary. His criticism of Hillary was based on her voting record and the question he posed was looking at that record is she really qualified to be President. Also her close association with Wall Street is she going to be effective as a President with all that 'Big end of town' sloshing about. Absolutely fair enough points to make and to describe them as 'ad hominen' personal attacks is a huge stretch. What personal attacks has Bernie made towards Hillary?

The way the DNC seems to work is people / corporations pay into a main fund and the delegate bribes are dispersed from that fund effectively blocking any challenge to the 'anointed one'. I suppose Hillary learnt from being bundled out by Obama so decided to change the game so she was guaranteed of being the nominee before she even announced her candidacy. That seems to be the deal that was struck.

[helpisgood]

Sanders ad hominem attacks have alienated him from the entire Democratic party base.

The primary voting we'll see first thing Wednesday morning our time here are for Democrats only. The five states have party members only primaries. No small 30-minute caucuses of first-time passionate tumbleweeds, no "open" primary states that allow Republicans to switch on primary day to vote in the Democratic party primary to suit Republicans (or vice-versa). Bernie is gonna get whacked in all five of 'em so don't wonder why at this point. Same as in New York state.

HRC is as solid with the D party voter base constituencies as Barack Obama has been in his two elections. Now HRC needs to move toward the center, as has been noted here and as everyone knows. Sanders attacks have been more than policy or institutional attacks, they have been entirely personal, ad hominem, same as the fringe nutcases around here across the board do against HRC. (Some of the fringe try to dress themselves up in Sunday go to meetin' clothing, but they fool only themselves.)

Because Bernie is an Independent in the US Senate, he's always caucused and aligned with the Democratic party in the Senate. It is the D party Senate leadership that gives Bernie committee assignments, its policy research, expertise, voting advice; the D party is Bernie's public platform in the Senate. No committee assignments, no work to do, i.e., no television coverage. If in January Bernie wants to find himself on the Agriculture Committee for a long snooze instead of on the Banking Committee raising hell, he's going to have to tighten some screws upstairs that have become loose. That's just the facts of life and in politics the facts of life can screw you before you wake up.

I disagree with you here Publicus. Bernie had to toughen up a little and take the fight to Hillary. His criticism of Hillary was based on her voting record and the question he posed was looking at that record is she really qualified to be President. Also her close association with Wall Street is she going to be effective as a President with all that 'Big end of town' sloshing about. Absolutely fair enough points to make and to describe them as 'ad hominen' personal attacks is a huge stretch. What personal attacks has Bernie made towards Hillary?

The way the DNC seems to work is people / corporations pay into a main fund and the delegate bribes are dispersed from that fund effectively blocking any challenge to the 'anointed one'. I suppose Hillary learnt from being bundled out by Obama so decided to change the game so she was guaranteed of being the nominee before she even announced her candidacy. That seems to be the deal that was struck.

I think accusing Bernie of "ad hominem" attacks was just a way to duck the substance of what Bernie was pointing out, as Up has stated, regarding Hillary's ties to Wall St., etc.

Edited April 27, 2016 by helpisgood

[Jingthing]

Updated headline for thread:

Sanders' path to nomination now virtually impossible; supporters in crybaby/denial mode

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

Former secretary of state all but secures nomination

While not mathematically eliminated, Sen. Bernie Sanders remains far behind and now faces nearly impossible odds.

Edited April 27, 2016 by Jingthing

[keemapoot]

Updated headline for thread:

Sanders' path to nomination now virtually impossible; supporters in crybaby/denial mode

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

Former secretary of state all but secures nomination

While not mathematically eliminated, Sen. Bernie Sanders remains far behind and now faces nearly impossible odds.

You are of course correct, and what is also true is that whatever mandate his followers think they have is now mostly unimportant to Clinton as she seems to have the power to win without Sanders supporters. Sanders has no bargaining power, and his supporters have no bargaining power. Clinton will just pay lip service to whatever part of his platform might serve her interests.

Hilary Clinton is firmly in control now to be not only the nominee, but the new POTUS. We non supporters will have to live with that and move on to what are the implications of her leadership.

[Jingthing]

Sanders will come out for Clinton, not as enthusiastically as Clinton supported Obama, as Clinton had a deal to be Secretary of State and Sanders won't be anything in her administration. It's in Sanders' interest (and his supporters who have a brain) to be friendly with Clinton as that maximizes the power and influence he can still have remaining in the Senate.

As far as Sander's supporters, I'm sure AT LEAST 50 percent will have no problem switching to Clinton right away ... of the rest, many will stay home, some will vote for Trump (but very few if it's Cruz), and some are in play for Clinton to WIN OVER. Not too shabby.

Edited April 27, 2016 by Jingthing

[up2u2]

Updated headline for thread:

Sanders' path to nomination now virtually impossible; supporters in crybaby/denial mode

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

Former secretary of state all but secures nomination

While not mathematically eliminated, Sen. Bernie Sanders remains far behind and now faces nearly impossible odds.

JT you have been down on Bernie from the very start. The slightest mention of good news and a Bernie win and you have continually rained on my parade.If Bernie loses the nomination I am going to hold you responsible because your continual negativity has derailed his campaign oh and the fact that 80% of the delegates were already pledged to vote for Hillary didn't help.

I am clinging onto 'while not mathematically eliminated......'

Edited April 27, 2016 by up2u2

[jmd8800]

Whether or not Bernie wins anything... He has elevated the conversation about the problems we face in our American political system. Everybody on this thread (no matter who you support) needs to watch this video:

Personally I supported Bernie in a minimal way. Better him than Hillary or Trump. I am looking for more radical change than Bernie talks about. I do not think the American political system will last much longer unless we radically change the course we are on.

One thing I have noticed over the years of political threads and websites is that more people are interested in getting out the clubs to beat up people who disagree with them, than they are having an intelligent discussion on how we as a nation need to act and behave domestically or on the world stage. The truth is... the powerful interests want you to do just as you are doing so nobody can pull all the factions together.

Of course some people on these threads are perfectly happy with things just as they are. :-(

Edited April 27, 2016 by jmd8800

[Jingthing]

Updated headline for thread:

Sanders' path to nomination now virtually impossible; supporters in crybaby/denial mode

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

Former secretary of state all but secures nomination

While not mathematically eliminated, Sen. Bernie Sanders remains far behind and now faces nearly impossible odds.

JT you have been down on Bernie from the very start. The slightest mention of good news and a Bernie win and you have continually rained on my parade.If Bernie loses the nomination I am going to hold you responsible because your continual negativity has derailed his campaign oh and the fact that 80% of the delegates were already pledged to vote for Hillary didn't help.

I am clinging onto 'while not mathematically eliminated......'

No, there was a period where I warmed up to him and the endorsements of Bill Maher and Sarah Silverman helped. But then he got nasty and saying very stupid stuff, and that lost me. It is true I never thought he would really win the nomination. Very few people really did.

Again, I would have happily and enthusiastically supported him if he was nominated, and if he was nominated Hillary Clinton would have enthusiastically supported him as well (while licking her wounds that her dreams were over) ... but alas, dudes, NOT TO BE.

Edited April 27, 2016 by Jingthing

[sgtsabai]

I will never in one million years support a Clinton, nor will I support a Republican, not a lot of difference. Bernie unfortunately never got nasty and never said any "stupid stuff". Clinton has played nasty from the git-go, that is in the Clinton play book. Perhaps, just perhaps, her dynasty, if anointed, will be very short and the so-called Democrat Party faces a revolution within its ranks. DINO, any one that supports Clinton. If she gets the golden crown of empress, and that is exactly what she will be, it will only be one term, democracy rising and she is most definitely not part of it.

Info: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/04/25/bernie-sanders-is-profoundly-changing-how-millennials-think-about-politics-poll-shows/

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/35790-hillary-clinton-s-business-of-corporate-shilling-and-war-making

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/36515-focus-democracy-movement-awakens-in-america

http://observer.com/2016/04/heres-the-thing-so-many-americans-cant-grasp-about-bernie-sanders/

[Jingthing]

From my POV, Sanders DID get nasty and DID say stupid stuff. Publicus hit it on the head. Sanders DID alienate large parts of the DEMOCRATIC BASE, which I identify with. Doing that, he amplified the reality of his political career. He isn't really a DEMOCRAT in the first place. He only caucuses with the democrats. I'm not saying he would have been nominated if he had skipped the nastiness. Probably not. He went that way out of desperation. Understandable.