W 10 update 31 Jan 16 grrrrrrrrrr

[crazydrummerpauly]

I guess you don't understand enough then of computers, his laptop with your famed ubuntu takes 35 seconds mine with win 10 around 10 seconds from the bios post. Then I would say there is a difference in hardware because Ubuntu is supposed to be faster ? So the difference is he got a prehistoric computer and I got one with an SSD.

I have multiple computers. And I use to run server farms. It ain't about the hardware sunshine.

As for the updating taking so long.. it does that automatically at night when i switch the computer off.. no loss of time.

Sunshine.

Those people with old computers running linux make me laugh.. to cheap to spend some money on a real computer. I can't believe that there are still people who don't have an SSD. ( I got 3 in my computer)

Whenever I am thinking linux im thinking of outdated computers and guess i was right..

as you put it so correctly incorrectly:

'i guess you don't understand enough then of computers...' sunshine

sleep tight - and don't think too much, it might hurt

I have build computers for a living.. installed plenty of them. I guess i know what I am doing.. now I can understand why the less fortunate in life would want a linux computer. The hardware requirements are not as high and you might even look smart saying you use linux.

For other people who make decent money and use their computer for business they just put in a SSD and some ram and it all works. 10 seconds is all that it takes for me to start my computer up. I havent had a virus in... ever.. why because I am not stupid.

Now tell me that good hardware and an SSD does not make a difference.

What's an 'SSD' ?

[Chicog]

What's an 'SSD' ?

Basically a big, (usually) internal Flash drive.

They're usually smaller and generally don't have the same capacity as Hard Disk Drives (HD's or HDD's). Fast and no moving parts.

You can also get hybrid drives that use Flash memory as an accelerator.

Edited February 2, 2016 by Chicog

[Chicog]

too late now, they all clocked off.

do you have a problem with tradies, too?

who fixes your blocked drain? w10?

The plumber usually, and he doesn't have to wait for me to update Windows.

[smedly]

Linux is not always fit for purpose, there are many programs and lots of hardware that simply won't work, if you have simplistic needs and limited hardware then it is a fine simple and cheap platform for limited needs, it is good at what it does but useless if you want to go beyond that

[Chicog]

Linux is not always fit for purpose, there are many programs and lots of hardware that simply won't work, if you have simplistic needs and limited hardware then it is a fine simple and cheap platform for limited needs, it is good at what it does but useless if you want to go beyond that

But for people with simple needs like Browsing and Email, it's OK and will run comfortably on legacy hardware as long as you're not expecting anything too fancy.

[manfredtillmann]

Linux is not always fit for purpose, there are many programs and lots of hardware that simply won't work, if you have simplistic needs and limited hardware then it is a fine simple and cheap platform for limited needs, it is good at what it does but useless if you want to go beyond that

can you enlighten me, please, what your non - simplistic needs are that w10 caters for? really, just asking. i have been a windows user for 25 years or so and all i ever got was the exact opposite.

i started a thread a few days ago asking what people LIKE about w10 and all i got was flak over why i did not like it.

what is the purpose that you pursue and linux is not fit for?

and keep it civil, please, i do not need another 'half - baked' reply from someone.

[manfredtillmann]

too late now, they all clocked off.

do you have a problem with tradies, too?

who fixes your blocked drain? w10?

The plumber usually, and he doesn't have to wait for me to update Windows.

no, he does not. might be expensive having him sit around for hours...

[smedly]

Linux is not always fit for purpose, there are many programs and lots of hardware that simply won't work, if you have simplistic needs and limited hardware then it is a fine simple and cheap platform for limited needs, it is good at what it does but useless if you want to go beyond that

can you enlighten me, please, what your non - simplistic needs are that w10 caters for? really, just asking. i have been a windows user for 25 years or so and all i ever got was the exact opposite.

i started a thread a few days ago asking what people LIKE about w10 and all i got was flak over why i did not like it.

what is the purpose that you pursue and linux is not fit for?

and keep it civil, please, i do not need another 'half - baked' reply from someone.

I am not going to sit here and list through everything I use my PC for, high end gaming would be one not to mention the HW to run it, W10 covers everything that I want to do and it does it well, there is absolutly no point in me having Linux or even a dual boot system when W10 covers all of it flawlessly, I also have an alienware lappy that I was going to upgrade the GPU but after some exploration I bought a high spec desktop for the same price as the GPU I was looking at, the laptop is stored away now but it used to sit behind my 60" TV effectively being used as a desktop so I replaced it with a desktop (just the box), the laptop GPU upgrade was going to cost about 700GBP

anyway if you want to know what Linux won't run well then research it on the net

[manfredtillmann]

Linux is not always fit for purpose, there are many programs and lots of hardware that simply won't work, if you have simplistic needs and limited hardware then it is a fine simple and cheap platform for limited needs, it is good at what it does but useless if you want to go beyond that

can you enlighten me, please, what your non - simplistic needs are that w10 caters for? really, just asking. i have been a windows user for 25 years or so and all i ever got was the exact opposite.

i started a thread a few days ago asking what people LIKE about w10 and all i got was flak over why i did not like it.

what is the purpose that you pursue and linux is not fit for?

and keep it civil, please, i do not need another 'half - baked' reply from someone.

I am not going to sit here and list through everything I use my PC for high end gaming would be one not to mention the HW to run it, W10 covers everything that I want to do and it does it well, there is absolutly no point in me having Linux or even a dual boot system when W10 covers all of it flawlessly, I also have an alienware lappy that I was going to upgrade the GPU but after some exploration I bought a high spec desktop for the same price as the GPU I was looking at, the laptop is stored away now but it used to sit behind my 60" TV effectively being used as a desktop so I replaced it with a desktop (just the box), the laptop GPU upgrade was going to cost about 700GBP

anyway if you want to know what Linux won't run well then research it on the net

no need, mate, i think i already got it (funny how you w10 people never have time to explain themselves, we are wasting your time with our pathetic questions and replies to the post you freely reply to yourselfs).

so you are a 'high end gaming' enthusiast?! i have a real life, instead. i, just like lots of other people, just use my computer to make my life easier.

but i do appreciate your time indulging my pathetic request.

[khundon]

My Win10 updated to latest two days ago, took 1.5 hours, no problem, everything working fine on laptop.

Maybe I'm just lucky.

[smedly]

Linux is not always fit for purpose, there are many programs and lots of hardware that simply won't work, if you have simplistic needs and limited hardware then it is a fine simple and cheap platform for limited needs, it is good at what it does but useless if you want to go beyond that

can you enlighten me, please, what your non - simplistic needs are that w10 caters for? really, just asking. i have been a windows user for 25 years or so and all i ever got was the exact opposite.

i started a thread a few days ago asking what people LIKE about w10 and all i got was flak over why i did not like it.

what is the purpose that you pursue and linux is not fit for?

and keep it civil, please, i do not need another 'half - baked' reply from someone.

I am not going to sit here and list through everything I use my PC for high end gaming would be one not to mention the HW to run it, W10 covers everything that I want to do and it does it well, there is absolutly no point in me having Linux or even a dual boot system when W10 covers all of it flawlessly, I also have an alienware lappy that I was going to upgrade the GPU but after some exploration I bought a high spec desktop for the same price as the GPU I was looking at, the laptop is stored away now but it used to sit behind my 60" TV effectively being used as a desktop so I replaced it with a desktop (just the box), the laptop GPU upgrade was going to cost about 700GBP

anyway if you want to know what Linux won't run well then research it on the net

no need, mate, i think i already got it (funny how you w10 people never have time to explain themselves, we are wasting your time with our pathetic questions and replies to the post you freely reply to yourselfs).

so you are a 'high end gaming' enthusiast?! i have a real life, instead. i, just like lots of other people, just use my computer to make my life easier.

but i do appreciate your time indulging my pathetic request.

what on earth are you going on about, seriously take a chill pill and relax, nobody called you pathetic (although the thought is now entering my mind) and I am not a W10 person or fan, I have used many operating systems over the years, the windows environment suits my purpose right now and that is what I use, if Unix or Linux was more suited I'd be using that, I have android on my phone go figure, now run along and stop this stupid nonsense about mine verses yours, there is no place for it here, everybody uses what suits them

[Chicog]

Linux is not always fit for purpose, there are many programs and lots of hardware that simply won't work, if you have simplistic needs and limited hardware then it is a fine simple and cheap platform for limited needs, it is good at what it does but useless if you want to go beyond that

can you enlighten me, please, what your non - simplistic needs are that w10 caters for? really, just asking. i have been a windows user for 25 years or so and all i ever got was the exact opposite.

i started a thread a few days ago asking what people LIKE about w10 and all i got was flak over why i did not like it.

what is the purpose that you pursue and linux is not fit for?

and keep it civil, please, i do not need another 'half - baked' reply from someone.

Er, no you didn't. You started a thread with "What is it with W10 that makes YOU willing to put up with it's s..t?".

Linux cannot run, and does not have alternatives for, many Windows applications, and even when it does, in WINE or a VM, there is an overhead that makes it pointless, not to mention the additional requirements to maintain both Linux and Windows.

But that is rather stating the obvious don't you think?

Was yours a rhetorical question?

[lostinisaan]

Build 14251 is the latest on mine, and it all works fine. I've updated all but one device, not a problem with any of them, tablets or PCs.

The fact that the OP did a System Restore and it didn't fix the problem is interesting.

What did you do in Task Manager?

You are talking about a preview release I think. The latest version should be 10586.71.

My desktop (Win 10 Pro) is still stuck at build 10240, my notebook (Win 10 Home) is 10586.

It seems ages ago that my notebook updated, but wonder if/when MS will ever get around to pushing out a release update to my desktop computer. It keeps getting regular updates, like a Cumulative Update (KB312426) on 18-January-2016.

the huge update was 1511 which was effectively a total reinstall of W10 - I suppose you could sort of call it W10 service pack 2, even on my super fast machine it took quite a while to complete, there were times when it looked like it had stalled

current up to date build is - Version 1511 (OS Build 10586.71) you can download and install updates manually

The "huge" 1511 update was indeed a total reinstall on my notebook. Nut not on my PC. The 1511 on my PC took about seven minutes, downloaded some files, restarted once and all was fine.

I might fully understand Windows 10 when they come out with the next edition.......Please see image.

Edited February 2, 2016 by lostinisaan

[gandalf12]

All these suggested fixes for Windows 10 problems. I want a computer that runs virtually trouble-free, not be continually searching for ways to fix bugs. I still have Windows 7 installed and never had a problem with it from the get-go.

have to agree but there are ways you can cover yourself if you know what you are doing, W7 was superb no other word for it, W10 is challenging at times but it really isn't that bad

I got caught in an unusual situation today where an update occured right when my mouse decided the right button was not going to work anymore - a wired mouse worked ok but that doesn't mean that the software supporting the wireless mouse wasn't somehow corrupted (it happened before), logitec can be tempermental the best of times, lucky enough I have another system (alienware lappy with W10) that I eventually booted up and tried it there, it is 6 months behind the update state of the desktop, lucky enough the mouse failed to work properly on the laptop also without any updates - so faulty mouse

I gave an identicle mouse to a friend when I gave him a spare lappy I had and got that back off him to try and it is working fine

this has been a rather complicated day for me or else I'm getting old lol

Your mouse works on vectors for positioning. Sometimes these get mixed up and the mouse acts strangely. Uninstall the mouse then re-install

[attrayant]

I'm trying to figure out if my buggy performance is due to Win10 or the hardware itself (MS Surface Pro 3). Seems like every week it's some new bizarre problem:

Daisy-chaining external displays doesn't work when coming out of sleep mode. I've been over all the MS support forums and multiple users are having this issue. The workaround seems to be power-cycling both monitors.

The following week, the integrated microphone stopped working in the middle of skype calls. I has MS do a remote support session on three separate occasions trying to fix this. Finally we ended up doing a bare metal restore. It's easy enough to do on the Surface, but that's an hour of my life I shouldn't have to spend on a top-of-the-line product every time the microphone fails.

Just this week, the default Windows calculator has gone missing. When I hit the calculator button on the keyboard, I now get a pop-up that says:

Huh? It opened fine yesterday, but today I suddenly need a new app?

It no longer appears under the program list. It used to be the first item listed under C:

Using Siri to search for it, I get this in the list of results:

Clicking on the actual program (by navigating to C:\Windows\System32 and clicking on calc.exe) I get the same "need a new app" message.

I guess it's time for another restore back to bare metal.

[manfredtillmann]

Linux is not always fit for purpose, there are many programs and lots of hardware that simply won't work, if you have simplistic needs and limited hardware then it is a fine simple and cheap platform for limited needs, it is good at what it does but useless if you want to go beyond that

can you enlighten me, please, what your non - simplistic needs are that w10 caters for? really, just asking. i have been a windows user for 25 years or so and all i ever got was the exact opposite.

i started a thread a few days ago asking what people LIKE about w10 and all i got was flak over why i did not like it.

what is the purpose that you pursue and linux is not fit for?

and keep it civil, please, i do not need another 'half - baked' reply from someone.

Er, no you didn't. You started a thread with "What is it with W10 that makes YOU willing to put up with it's s..t?".

Linux cannot run, and does not have alternatives for, many Windows applications, and even when it does, in WINE or a VM, there is an overhead that makes it pointless, not to mention the additional requirements to maintain both Linux and Windows.

But that is rather stating the obvious don't you think?

Was yours a rhetorical question?

good afternoon, mate

this is a link to my post i was referring to:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/889162-what-is-it-that-windows-10-actually-does-that-you-feel-good-with-need-and-are-happy-to-accept/

it finished with the sentence you quoted, but - as you would put it - to claim:'You started a thread with "What is it with W10 that makes YOU willing to put up with it's s..t?".' is a lie.

as for the rest of you post, you are completely right, there are lots of things you can not do on a linux comp. but there are lots of things you can do, and without problems.

just this afternoon i discovered another windows limitation. i bought the new david bowie cd, slipped in my my linux laptop, it converted the tracks within minutes to mp3 files that i can play via usb or sd card in my truck. gave a usb stick to my friend, hey, listen to this, she is running w7 - it won't let her play it! no permission - or something. plays on my mint linux comp ok, but. and on the ubuntu one in the office.

i suppose it is just the microsoft police overstepping their authorities...

be good - and happy

[robblok]

I guess you don't understand enough then of computers, his laptop with your famed ubuntu takes 35 seconds mine with win 10 around 10 seconds from the bios post. Then I would say there is a difference in hardware because Ubuntu is supposed to be faster ? So the difference is he got a prehistoric computer and I got one with an SSD.

I have multiple computers. And I use to run server farms. It ain't about the hardware sunshine.

As for the updating taking so long.. it does that automatically at night when i switch the computer off.. no loss of time.

Sunshine.

Those people with old computers running linux make me laugh.. to cheap to spend some money on a real computer. I can't believe that there are still people who don't have an SSD. ( I got 3 in my computer)

Whenever I am thinking linux im thinking of outdated computers and guess i was right..

as you put it so correctly incorrectly:

'i guess you don't understand enough then of computers...' sunshine

sleep tight - and don't think too much, it might hurt

I have build computers for a living.. installed plenty of them. I guess i know what I am doing.. now I can understand why the less fortunate in life would want a linux computer. The hardware requirements are not as high and you might even look smart saying you use linux.

For other people who make decent money and use their computer for business they just put in a SSD and some ram and it all works. 10 seconds is all that it takes for me to start my computer up. I havent had a virus in... ever.. why because I am not stupid.

Now tell me that good hardware and an SSD does not make a difference.

no, i won't tell you, because you are right. ssd is fast and cool - with any op system.

but, i am running linux mint on a brand new toshiba that came with w10 - and she flies, now that i got rid of this cumbersome dinosaur.

the reason why your comp boots up in no time is because w10 never really shuts down.(fast boot option)

tell me - and be honest - how long does it take you to access your comp's BIOS. you that have to go through a series of options to switch of 'fast boot' - and after that she will take a long time... no?

i am not trying to convince you, if you love ms win, all good.

i have spent at least a year of my lifetime since 1990 looking at blue screens, feeding floppies, re - booting... all this stopped with linux.

it is a tool. like a shifter spanner, like a socket set, like a bicycle pump. it works, it is good, it helps me, it runs my computer, i do not have to worry.

Why would i switch that option off ? Does linux does not support fast boot ? Why downgrade my system to make a comparison ?

I too have had my frustrations with windows.. I was there from 3.1 but it got a lot better with 7 and never have any problems what so ever. For me its a tool and linux just does not cut it (the programs I use for my work are not available for linux).

[smedly]

All these suggested fixes for Windows 10 problems. I want a computer that runs virtually trouble-free, not be continually searching for ways to fix bugs. I still have Windows 7 installed and never had a problem with it from the get-go.

have to agree but there are ways you can cover yourself if you know what you are doing, W7 was superb no other word for it, W10 is challenging at times but it really isn't that bad

I got caught in an unusual situation today where an update occured right when my mouse decided the right button was not going to work anymore - a wired mouse worked ok but that doesn't mean that the software supporting the wireless mouse wasn't somehow corrupted (it happened before), logitec can be tempermental the best of times, lucky enough I have another system (alienware lappy with W10) that I eventually booted up and tried it there, it is 6 months behind the update state of the desktop, lucky enough the mouse failed to work properly on the laptop also without any updates - so faulty mouse

I gave an identicle mouse to a friend when I gave him a spare lappy I had and got that back off him to try and it is working fine

this has been a rather complicated day for me or else I'm getting old lol

Your mouse works on vectors for positioning. Sometimes these get mixed up and the mouse acts strangely. Uninstall the mouse then re-install

Thanks for the suggestion but it is rather more complicated than that lol, but anyway, the mouse is faulty as I already stated I tried it I'm my laptop

[smedly]

as you put it so correctly incorrectly:

'i guess you don't understand enough then of computers...' sunshine

sleep tight - and don't think too much, it might hurt

I have build computers for a living.. installed plenty of them. I guess i know what I am doing.. now I can understand why the less fortunate in life would want a linux computer. The hardware requirements are not as high and you might even look smart saying you use linux.

For other people who make decent money and use their computer for business they just put in a SSD and some ram and it all works. 10 seconds is all that it takes for me to start my computer up. I havent had a virus in... ever.. why because I am not stupid.

Now tell me that good hardware and an SSD does not make a difference.

no, i won't tell you, because you are right. ssd is fast and cool - with any op system.

but, i am running linux mint on a brand new toshiba that came with w10 - and she flies, now that i got rid of this cumbersome dinosaur.

the reason why your comp boots up in no time is because w10 never really shuts down.(fast boot option)

tell me - and be honest - how long does it take you to access your comp's BIOS. you that have to go through a series of options to switch of 'fast boot' - and after that she will take a long time... no?

i am not trying to convince you, if you love ms win, all good.

i have spent at least a year of my lifetime since 1990 looking at blue screens, feeding floppies, re - booting... all this stopped with linux.

it is a tool. like a shifter spanner, like a socket set, like a bicycle pump. it works, it is good, it helps me, it runs my computer, i do not have to worry.

Why would i switch that option off ? Does linux does not support fast boot ? Why downgrade my system to make a comparison ?

I too have had my frustrations with windows.. I was there from 3.1 but it got a lot better with 7 and never have any problems what so ever. For me its a tool and linux just does not cut it (the programs I use for my work are not available for linux).

fast boot make little to no difference when using an SSD

[smedly]

Linux is not always fit for purpose, there are many programs and lots of hardware that simply won't work, if you have simplistic needs and limited hardware then it is a fine simple and cheap platform for limited needs, it is good at what it does but useless if you want to go beyond that

can you enlighten me, please, what your non - simplistic needs are that w10 caters for? really, just asking. i have been a windows user for 25 years or so and all i ever got was the exact opposite.

i started a thread a few days ago asking what people LIKE about w10 and all i got was flak over why i did not like it.

what is the purpose that you pursue and linux is not fit for?

and keep it civil, please, i do not need another 'half - baked' reply from someone.

Er, no you didn't. You started a thread with "What is it with W10 that makes YOU willing to put up with it's s..t?".

Linux cannot run, and does not have alternatives for, many Windows applications, and even when it does, in WINE or a VM, there is an overhead that makes it pointless, not to mention the additional requirements to maintain both Linux and Windows.

But that is rather stating the obvious don't you think?

Was yours a rhetorical question?

good afternoon, mate

this is a link to my post i was referring to:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/889162-what-is-it-that-windows-10-actually-does-that-you-feel-good-with-need-and-are-happy-to-accept/

it finished with the sentence you quoted, but - as you would put it - to claim:'You started a thread with "What is it with W10 that makes YOU willing to put up with it's s..t?".' is a lie.

as for the rest of you post, you are completely right, there are lots of things you can not do on a linux comp. but there are lots of things you can do, and without problems.

just this afternoon i discovered another windows limitation. i bought the new david bowie cd, slipped in my my linux laptop, it converted the tracks within minutes to mp3 files that i can play via usb or sd card in my truck. gave a usb stick to my friend, hey, listen to this, she is running w7 - it won't let her play it! no permission - or something. plays on my mint linux comp ok, but. and on the ubuntu one in the office.

i suppose it is just the microsoft police overstepping their authorities...

be good - and happy

nope, there is an issue with how the USB stick is formatted/initialized nothing to do with the files themselves, some USB sticks have software that locks it to prevent access from other systems - a security layer that the user can enable or disable, nothing to do with windows 7

Time to stop this pointless rather childish windows/Linux mine is better discussion, as I stated already we all use what we are comfortable with and what fits our needs, there is no argument about right/wrong better/worse and other pointless stupidity

I am going to request that this thread be closed as it has gone way off topic

[seedy]

at the OP's request

CLOSED