webfact Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 CDC bows more to NCPO’s demand on fully-appointed SenateBANGKOK: -- The Constitution Drafting Committee CDC) has agreed to fine-tune its final charter draft regarding the proposal of the National Council for Peace and Order by making the five military top brass and the national police chief as ex-officio senators.Of the 200 appointed senators, 194 of them are to be handpicked by the NCPO out of 400 people chosen by a selection committee appointed by the NCPO. As for the remaining 50 senators, the Election Commission has been assigned to arrange for the election of 200 representatives nationwide. The list will be submitted to the NCPO to shortlist to 50 who will become senators.On top of that, there will be an additional list of 50 senatorial reservists.In the voting for the prime minister by members of the Senate and the House of Representatives, the CDC agreed to change the charter draft to the effect that the person to become the prime minister must receive at least three-fifths of the votes of the Senate and the House instead of two-thirds.CDC spokesman Udom Rathamarit said the committee decided to make changes to the votes from two-thirds to three-fifths because certain major parties still oppose an outsider to become prime minister.He said that senator’s qualifications stipulated in the previous charters would be applied and ex-ministers can be appointed senators.He explained that the CDC agreed to let the NCPO to handpick all the senators because they will be able to work in harmony and in sync with the junta.The bill on national reforms must be completed within 120 days since the promulgation of the charter draft and during the five-year transitional period the Senate is authorized to follow up the implementation of reforms by the government and the government will be required to report the progress of reforms to the Senate every three months. Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/content/156724 -- Thai PBS 2016-03-25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 "He explained that the CDC agreed to let the NCPO to handpick all the senators because they will be able to work in harmony and in sync with the junta" Sic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 "the person to become the prime minister must receive at least three-fifths of the votes of the Senate and the House instead of two-thirds" 250 senators + 500 MPS = 750 3/5 of 750= 450 250 hand-picked senators + 200 dem MPs= 450 At least they know how to count! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjaak327 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 They might as well just stop this charade. Because that's all this is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Bob Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 This is a sad day for Thailand. Now the military will completely rule the country forever. Plus why does Thailand need 250 senators? A country this small does not need this many. Seems like a way to keep the friends and family of the military in position to make money for the long haul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieinthailand Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Talk about stacking the deck... They seriously need to change the name Thailand (land of the free) to we have stitched you up for ever suckers land, has a ring to it huh? And still there are those that like this mob of thieves liars and treasonous idiots... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisY1 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 The first thing that come to mind is that for the military, and of course their families and friends, will now be able to join in the fun of managing/gouging Thailand until 2022........and there will be zero that the elected government members will be able to do......and there will be nothing the Thai people will be able to do.........IMO, big problems for Thailand in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NongKhaiKid Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 The NCPO Thinks, the CDC Acts ! Catchy but I've heard it before somewhere ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesbrock Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Democracy at its finest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ichabod Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 The goal this time around was always to solve the fundamental conflict of Thai politics by disenfranchising the majority of Thais who would re-elect Thaksin tomorrow given the chance. They made a mistake after the last coup in letting an elected government come to power again. The new solution is elections without democracy and real power in the hands of the military forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harada Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 D word comes to mind, and it's not democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 "the person to become the prime minister must receive at least three-fifths of the votes of the Senate and the House instead of two-thirds" 250 senators + 500 MPS = 750 3/5 of 750= 450 250 hand-picked senators + 200 dem MPs= 450 At least they know how to count! The next election has been crafted and designed to have a Parliment full of small parries that could be bought and influenced to achieve the desired junta objective. Dem will never ever get 200 seats. Thailand is sailing into unknown territory with this charter and next 5 years will be shaky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klauskunkel Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 'Bow down before the one you serve. You're going to get what you deserve." Nine Inch Nails Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlQaholic Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 (edited) who are the guys in the hilarious Andy cap hats? Why even bother with all this crap, it will never pass a referendum anyways.... Edited March 25, 2016 by AlQaholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZurf Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 And to think that there still are guys out there raised in western democracies who support the junta.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenixdoglover Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Looks like Meechai folded with minimal resistance. Onward to the meaningless referendum. Words don't fail me. Forums rules being respected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveat Emptor Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 What's the bet that the draft charter could be issued right now as it's all been signed and sealed but will only be delivered in stages to give the impression there's still consultation and consideration ongoing ? CDC isn't putting this together, they're simply doing as they're told as to what it will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maoro2013 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 I thought they were returning Thailand to democracy. This is not they way to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominique355 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 You can call this Constitution what ever you want, but don't call it "democratic", One of the fundamental principles of a democracy is the separation of power. Legislative, Executive and Judicial Powers and they must be totally separated. No executive (government, administration, military etc) can be on the Legislative or judiciary. What NCPO is forcing through now is nothing else than an institutionalised military regime. Good Bye Democracy. ..for ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldiablo Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Thailand, the new Myanmar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKDfella Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Even Jack, who sold stock for some beans still defied the giant and cut the off the giant's path. That is not going to happen here...more like 'yes sir, three bags full sir...' and the rest. What a waste of time and money in setting up the CDC in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 So it really comes down to the citizens to decide on the charter. I think most of them are junta fatigue and will rather accept a crooked constitution to see the backs of the inept generals. Most know that resistance is futile and will take the chance with this crooked constitution and the next 5 years. No coup for next 5 years may be tempting for most to allow Thailand gain back some political stability and improve the economy. They also know that the next 5 years are risky period and that has nothing to do with reforms that the junta design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoon Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 We, from the West, should look back over the past 1500 years and ask ourselves "How easily did that which we call Democracy come to us?" If such a societal state is to arrive in this country why should it come any more easily? By more easily I mean with less bloodshed and destruction. The "omelette" of the West was not made without......etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dageurreotype Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Thailand, the new Myanmar. Myanmar - ruled with an iron fisted military. Thailand ruled by .. Ah forget it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Shortly after the coup I predicted a constitution that kept power behind the scenes while presenting a thin veneer of democracy. I didn't expect the veneer to be this thin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 The goal this time around was always to solve the fundamental conflict of Thai politics by disenfranchising the majority of Thais who would re-elect Thaksin tomorrow given the chance. They made a mistake after the last coup in letting an elected government come to power again. The new solution is elections without democracy and real power in the hands of the military forever. How do you KNOW that the majority of Thais would re-elect the Thaksin tribe given the chance? The only way you could know is to take a poll of every Thai with voting rights in the country and that would be called an election. In the last election the PTP itself did not gain an overall majority of votes but because of the electoral boundaries they did get more MPs which in turn gave them more party list MPs. IMHO there should be NO party list MPs at all and the number of eligible voters inside the constituency boundaries should determine the actual number of MPs. Simply divide the number of parliamentary seats (NO party list MPs) into the voting population and that will give you a headcount. Divide the headcount into the number of voters in the constituency to get the number of MPS. Again IMHO if anybody wants to be an MP then stand in a constituency, stump the district and earn the position. If you are good enough you will be elected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gandalf12 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 who are the guys in the hilarious Andy cap hats? Why even bother with all this crap, it will never pass a referendum anyways.... They are the treacle benders of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjaak327 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 The goal this time around was always to solve the fundamental conflict of Thai politics by disenfranchising the majority of Thais who would re-elect Thaksin tomorrow given the chance. They made a mistake after the last coup in letting an elected government come to power again. The new solution is elections without democracy and real power in the hands of the military forever. How do you KNOW that the majority of Thais would re-elect the Thaksin tribe given the chance? The only way you could know is to take a poll of every Thai with voting rights in the country and that would be called an election. In the last election the PTP itself did not gain an overall majority of votes but because of the electoral boundaries they did get more MPs which in turn gave them more party list MPs. IMHO there should be NO party list MPs at all and the number of eligible voters inside the constituency boundaries should determine the actual number of MPs. Simply divide the number of parliamentary seats (NO party list MPs) into the voting population and that will give you a headcount. Divide the headcount into the number of voters in the constituency to get the number of MPS. Again IMHO if anybody wants to be an MP then stand in a constituency, stump the district and earn the position. If you are good enough you will be elected. You seem to be mixing things up, the party list election is proportional. It's the constituency where a winner takes all principle is being deployed. PT got 48.4% of the votes on the party list election (which in itself is pretty close to that electoral majority, and in a multi party system, an excellent result), it was the constituencies where they were able to achieve a parliamentary majority. Anyway, the military indeed seemed to have looked at all the general elections of this century, and indeed in each one PT or it's predecessors have achieved a large enough margin to form a government, twice with a parliamentary majority. With this charter, achieve that margin doesn't really matter. And that IS the key point here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 "the person to become the prime minister must receive at least three-fifths of the votes of the Senate and the House instead of two-thirds" 250 senators + 500 MPS = 750 3/5 of 750= 450 250 hand-picked senators + 200 dem MPs= 450 At least they know how to count! The next election has been crafted and designed to have a Parliment full of small parries that could be bought and influenced to achieve the desired junta objective. Dem will never ever get 200 seats. Thailand is sailing into unknown territory with this charter and next 5 years will be shaky. Dems or other parties with similar political orientation. They only need 200 MPs (40%) in order to get three-fifths of votes and elect an outsider PM. So even if the PTP and related parties would get 60% of seats (which is more than optimistic), they could do nothing against it. That's why the 250 senators and 3/5 majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjaak327 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 "the person to become the prime minister must receive at least three-fifths of the votes of the Senate and the House instead of two-thirds" 250 senators + 500 MPS = 750 3/5 of 750= 450 250 hand-picked senators + 200 dem MPs= 450 At least they know how to count! The next election has been crafted and designed to have a Parliment full of small parries that could be bought and influenced to achieve the desired junta objective. Dem will never ever get 200 seats. Thailand is sailing into unknown territory with this charter and next 5 years will be shaky. Dems or other parties with similar political orientation. They only need 200 MPs (40%) in order to get three-fifths of votes and elect an outsider PM. So even if the PTP and related parties would get 60% of seats (which is more than optimistic), they could do nothing against it. That's why the 250 senators and 3/5 majority. Hold on, I take this to mean 60% of the votes in BOTH the lower house AND the senate. Not the combined tally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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