US activists try to calm fears over transgender bathroom access

[Jingthing]

This entire concept of "gender identity" is utter BS dreamed up by political activists to further their lamentable agenda.

That's not to say that these people don't deserve the same rights as everyone else. But what they don't get is special treatment.

Change your clothes or even have surgery. You're still what you were when came out of the womb.

And if you're uncomfortable using the bathroom you're supposed to use, you can use the single-stall handicapped toilet.

My decrepit grandfather would enjoy waiting to release his bowels in order to accommodate someone's hurt feelings.

Is sensitivity a handicap in America now?

Indeed, able bodied transgender people are NOT handicapped. Very good point ... they should not use handicapped facilities just like they should not use handicapped parking spots.

[Boon Mee]

This entire concept of "gender identity" is utter BS dreamed up by political activists to further their lamentable agenda.

That's not to say that these people don't deserve the same rights as everyone else. But what they don't get is special treatment.

Change your clothes or even have surgery. You're still what you were when came out of the womb.

And if you're uncomfortable using the bathroom you're supposed to use, you can use the single-stall handicapped toilet.

My decrepit grandfather would enjoy waiting to release his bowels in order to accommodate someone's hurt feelings.

Is sensitivity a handicap in America now?

Of course it is. SJW's (Social Justice Warriors) rule the roost these days.

And they need 'safe spaces' to decree from.

It's broke, man...

[HLover]

This entire concept of "gender identity" is utter BS dreamed up by political activists to further their lamentable agenda.

That's not to say that these people don't deserve the same rights as everyone else. But what they don't get is special treatment.

Change your clothes or even have surgery. You're still what you were when came out of the womb.

And if you're uncomfortable using the bathroom you're supposed to use, you can use the single-stall handicapped toilet.

My decrepit grandfather would enjoy waiting to release his bowels in order to accommodate someone's hurt feelings.

Is sensitivity a handicap in America now?

Of course it is. SJW's (Social Justice Warriors) rule the roost these days.

And they need 'safe spaces' to decree from.

It's broke, man...

SJW 1st time hearing that, nice. They must be so proud.

[Boon Mee]

This entire concept of "gender identity" is utter BS dreamed up by political activists to further their lamentable agenda.

That's not to say that these people don't deserve the same rights as everyone else. But what they don't get is special treatment.

Change your clothes or even have surgery. You're still what you were when came out of the womb.

And if you're uncomfortable using the bathroom you're supposed to use, you can use the single-stall handicapped toilet.

My decrepit grandfather would enjoy waiting to release his bowels in order to accommodate someone's hurt feelings.

Is sensitivity a handicap in America now?

Of course it is. SJW's (Social Justice Warriors) rule the roost these days.

And they need 'safe spaces' to decree from.

It's broke, man...

SJW 1st time hearing that, nice. They must be so proud.

Sometimes referred to as 'Special Snowflakes' for their true grit!

[HLover]

Thankfully my grandfather nor I live there, I should just be quiet now.

[Jingthing]

The ignorance and lack of compassion towards fellow citizens who happen to be transgender people is appalling. Shameful, really. Happily, polls show the majority of Americans are against these transphobic laws. OK, in the south, that probably isn't the case. It will need to be solved at the federal level, and right now, that is happening.

[Dagnabbit]

Viral Video of Lesbian Kicked Out of Women’s Room for Not Showing I.D. Exposes Dangers of Bathroom Policing – WATCH

by Sean Mandell April 29, 2016 | 12:30pm

A viral video apparently showing a lesbian being kicked out of a women’s bathroom for failing to show I.D. and prove her gender has reignited conversations about the dangers of so-called ‘bathroom bills.’

In the video, police can be heard demanding to see I.D. from a woman dressed boyishly while other individuals shout, “This is a girl.”

This whole thing was a setup.

First of all, the person involved was not just 'a lesbian', this is a woman that takes male hormones, hence the vascularity in the arms, the deep voice and the masculine jaw.

This was also someone that was hanging around a rest room with friends who 'just happened' to be filming. Not only were they hanging around there, they were hanging around for long enough for the police to be called (either by a worried bathroom user or by a friend of the 'lesbian') AND then for the police to arrive. Think about it, how long do you stand in the toilets with a coffee, chatting with friends?

They were not waiting to use the bathroom, the stalls are clearly vacant there.

So you have someone that looks masculine, sounds masculine that is loitering in the womens toilets and is not there to use the facilities.

In other words, the whole thing is a setup. This was somebody making a statement, someone what wanted to instigate a problem.

Therefore, I think people are wrong to call bigotry about this. They fooled the cops, that was their intent. They got the reaction they wanted.

Edited May 12, 2016 by Dagnabbit

[Jingthing]

Incidental stunts, real or setup, are irrelevant. It's just noise either way.

An idiotic right winger who obviously doesn't have clue one about the reality of being an actual transgender person, dressing for a stunt at Target.

Proves nothing except that he's an ignorant moron:

Edited May 12, 2016 by Jingthing

[Shot]

[attachment=379482:james wood.png

Yeah, life is so easy for people, who are as manly and butch as James Woods....and as stupid!

Can we safely assume you won't be sending Mr. Woods a Christmas card this year?

[SgtRock]

Incidental stunts, real or setup, are irrelevant. It's just noise either way.

An idiotic right winger who obviously doesn't have clue one about the reality of being an actual transgender person, dressing for a stunt at Target.

Proves nothing except that he's an ignorant moron:

joseph-martone-jr.-x750.jpg

Has Dog the Bounty Hunter found a new role in life ?

[JDGRUEN]

Johns Hopkins Psychiatrist Drops Major TRUTH BOMB About Transgenders…

By Renee Johnson

04410

2:57 PM May 11, 2016

Acclaimed Dr. Paul R. McHugh, the Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry at Johns Hopkins University and former psychiatrist–in-chief for Johns Hopkins Hospital, has just released his findings pertaining to transgenderism ...Dean James, Americas Freedom Fighters added that Dr. McHugh, who has studied transgendered people for 40 years, said it is a scientific fact that “transgendered men do not become women, nor do transgendered women become men.”... All such people, Dr. McHugh explained in an article for The Witherspoon Institute, “become feminized men or masculinized women, counterfeits or impersonators of the sex with which they ‘identify.’”

http://truthuncensored.net/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-drops-major-truth-bomb-about-transgenders-liberals-are-furious/

[Boon Mee]

Johns Hopkins Psychiatrist Drops Major TRUTH BOMB About Transgenders…

By Renee Johnson

04410

2:57 PM May 11, 2016

Acclaimed Dr. Paul R. McHugh, the Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry at Johns Hopkins University and former psychiatrist–in-chief for Johns Hopkins Hospital, has just released his findings pertaining to transgenderism ...Dean James, Americas Freedom Fighters added that Dr. McHugh, who has studied transgendered people for 40 years, said it is a scientific fact that “transgendered men do not become women, nor do transgendered women become men.”... All such people, Dr. McHugh explained in an article for The Witherspoon Institute, “become feminized men or masculinized women, counterfeits or impersonators of the sex with which they ‘identify.’”

http://truthuncensored.net/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-drops-major-truth-bomb-about-transgenders-liberals-are-furious/

Yup, these people are indeed pretty mixed up. That's why they need to use any bathroom on the planet since they can't figure out their 'equipment'

[Dagnabbit]

Incidental stunts, real or setup, are irrelevant. It's just noise either way.

An idiotic right winger who obviously doesn't have clue one about the reality of being an actual transgender person, dressing for a stunt at Target.

Proves nothing except that he's an ignorant moron:

joseph-martone-jr.-x750.jpg

I've had worse....

[Dagnabbit]

Johns Hopkins Psychiatrist Drops Major TRUTH BOMB About Transgenders…

By Renee Johnson

04410

2:57 PM May 11, 2016

Acclaimed Dr. Paul R. McHugh, the Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry at Johns Hopkins University and former psychiatrist–in-chief for Johns Hopkins Hospital, has just released his findings pertaining to transgenderism ...Dean James, Americas Freedom Fighters added that Dr. McHugh, who has studied transgendered people for 40 years, said it is a scientific fact that “transgendered men do not become women, nor do transgendered women become men.”... All such people, Dr. McHugh explained in an article for The Witherspoon Institute, “become feminized men or masculinized women, counterfeits or impersonators of the sex with which they ‘identify.’”

http://truthuncensored.net/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-drops-major-truth-bomb-about-transgenders-liberals-are-furious/

Zoe Tur gonna rip that man a new a**hole if he's not careful...

Check out 5:30. A glorious TV moment...

Edited May 12, 2016 by Dagnabbit

[Jingthing]

http://www.transadvocate.com/clinging-to-a-dangerous-past-dr-paul-mchughs-selective-reading-of-transgender-medical-literature_n_13842.htm

It is important to remember that the opinions of Dr McHugh fly in the face of currently accepted medical practice and the positions of many major medical associations. The American Medical Association, the American Psychological Association, the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology, the American Psychiatric Society, the American Public Health Association, and the World Professional Association for Transgender Health have all adopted positions supporting the medical necessity of transition-related care, including hormonal and surgical interventions, as well as expressing support for insurance coverage of these interventions. Despite his authoritative sounding title at a respected medical institution, Dr McHugh’s opinions do not represent the views of the mainstream medical establishment, rather they are the erroneous, bigoted beliefs of a scientist who appears far too invested in his own antiquated, disproven theories and his anti-LGBT political position than the current state of medical affairs.

Bigot Dr. McHugh is not only transphobic. He also favors "Christian" based conversion therapies for gay and lesbian people, which both don't work, are psychologically abusive, and are properly being made ILLEGAL in some states.

Edited May 12, 2016 by Jingthing

[DM07]

[attachment=379482:james wood.png

Yeah, life is so easy for people, who are as manly and butch as James Woods....and as stupid!

Can we safely assume you won't be sending Mr. Woods a Christmas card this year?

He is not my list! True!

[JDGRUEN]

Johns Hopkins Psychiatrist Drops Major TRUTH BOMB About Transgenders…

By Renee Johnson

04410

2:57 PM May 11, 2016

Acclaimed Dr. Paul R. McHugh, the Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry at Johns Hopkins University and former psychiatrist–in-chief for Johns Hopkins Hospital, has just released his findings pertaining to transgenderism ...Dean James, Americas Freedom Fighters added that Dr. McHugh, who has studied transgendered people for 40 years, said it is a scientific fact that “transgendered men do not become women, nor do transgendered women become men.”... All such people, Dr. McHugh explained in an article for The Witherspoon Institute, “become feminized men or masculinized women, counterfeits or impersonators of the sex with which they ‘identify.’”

http://truthuncensored.net/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-drops-major-truth-bomb-about-transgenders-liberals-are-furious/

Yup, these people are indeed pretty mixed up. That's why they need to use any bathroom on the planet since they can't figure out their 'equipment'

It was further said in this same article:

The idea that one’s sexuality is a feeling and not a biological fact “is doing much damage to families, adolescents, and children and should be confronted as an opinion without biological foundation wherever it emerges,” said Dr. McHugh in his article...

“In fact, gender dysphoria—the official psychiatric term for feeling oneself to be of the opposite sex—belongs in the family of similarly disordered assumptions about the body, such as anorexia nervosa and body dysmorphic disorder,” said McHugh.

In conclusion the article also said: Its treatment should not be directed at the body as with surgery and hormones any more than one treats obesity-fearing anorexic patients with liposuction,” he said.

[Jingthing]

How an individual deals with the situation when their gender identity does not match their biological genitals is a complex issue that is very individualized. Some people are fortunate to have compassionate and excellent medical advice and supportive families. The decisions made are very personal. There isn't one way to deal with it. Changing genitals is by no means the only way. It's an evolving field but it's complicated by the fact that when it's a child, getting started with medical therapies (such as hormones) early means there is the potential for a much more socially acceptable transition. In other words, the resulting transition may appear that the person is CISGENDER to the world. That's not necessarily the best thing for the person, but it is the most socially acceptable ... NOT exactly the same thing. There is no doubt that society expects people to present as male or female, and those that present as ambiguous face social issues and discrimination. Of course people should be screened by qualified medical professionals (not transphobic bigots) to determine whether medical therapies are really the best choice. Mistakes will be made, whether being too aggressive with medical intervention or not aggressive enough. Nobody said being a transgender person is simple or an easy path. That's another reason societies should should more COMPASSION to their situation.

Edited May 12, 2016 by Jingthing

[Boon Mee]

How an individual deals with the situation when their gender identity does not match their biological genitals is a complex issue that is very individualized. Some people are fortunate to have compassionate and excellent medical advice and supportive families. The decisions made are very personal. There isn't one way to deal with it. Changing genitals is by no means the only way. It's an evolving field but it's complicated by the fact that when it's a child, getting started with medical therapies (such as hormones) early means there is the potential for a much more socially acceptable transition. In other words, the resulting transition may appear that the person is CISGENDER to the world. That's not necessarily the best thing for the person, but it is the most socially acceptable ... NOT exactly the same thing. There is no doubt that society expects people to present as male or female, and those that present as ambiguous face social issues and discrimination. Of course people should be screened by qualified medical professionals (not transphobic bigots) to determine whether medical therapies are really the best choice. Mistakes will be made, whether being too aggressive with medical intervention or not aggressive enough. Nobody said being a transgender person is simple or an easy path. That's another reason societies should should more COMPASSION to their situation.

That's fine Jing but most of us want to go pee pee or number 2 in a MANS bog as opposed to a mixed use hong naam, eh?

Edited May 12, 2016 by Boon Mee

[Chicog]

Johns Hopkins Psychiatrist Drops Major TRUTH BOMB About Transgenders…

By Renee Johnson

04410

2:57 PM May 11, 2016

Acclaimed Dr. Paul R. McHugh, the Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry at Johns Hopkins University and former psychiatrist–in-chief for Johns Hopkins Hospital, has just released his findings pertaining to transgenderism ...Dean James, Americas Freedom Fighters added that Dr. McHugh, who has studied transgendered people for 40 years, said it is a scientific fact that “transgendered men do not become women, nor do transgendered women become men.”... All such people, Dr. McHugh explained in an article for The Witherspoon Institute, “become feminized men or masculinized women, counterfeits or impersonators of the sex with which they ‘identify.’”

http://truthuncensored.net/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-drops-major-truth-bomb-about-transgenders-liberals-are-furious/

Yup, these people are indeed pretty mixed up. That's why they need to use any bathroom on the planet since they can't figure out their 'equipment'

It was further said in this same article:

The idea that one’s sexuality is a feeling and not a biological fact “is doing much damage to families, adolescents, and children and should be confronted as an opinion without biological foundation wherever it emerges,” said Dr. McHugh in his article...

“In fact, gender dysphoria—the official psychiatric term for feeling oneself to be of the opposite sex—belongs in the family of similarly disordered assumptions about the body, such as anorexia nervosa and body dysmorphic disorder,” said McHugh.

In conclusion the article also said: Its treatment should not be directed at the body as with surgery and hormones any more than one treats obesity-fearing anorexic patients with liposuction,” he said.

The man hired by the Vatican to try and keep the words "institutional paedophilia" and "rape" out of the news, to be replaced with "homosexual predation" and "inappropriate touching".

[Jingthing]

OK, but if there is a transgender female to male person, it would often make a lot more sense for such a person to use the men's room, as using the women's room would freak out more people (and also be very uncomfortable for that transgender person). Transgendered people have been making these choices for many years without it being a right wing political issue. Now that it is, gender ambiguous people of different kinds, and their numbers are much larger than transgender people, are feeling political and legal pressures in using their usual cisgender facilities. It's crazy. It's an artificial issue and must be solved at the federal level.

[up-country_sinclair]

OK, but if there is a transgender female to male person, it would often make a lot more sense for such a person to use the men's room, as using the women's room would freak out more people (and also be very uncomfortable for that transgender person).

No, it would make more sense for these people to use the single-stall, handicapped toilets. But that's not good enough for our precious snowflakes. They don't get enough attention that way. They need the spotlight 24/7. They're convinced they are deserving of special rights and privileges. But the truth is, they're not.

By the way, it would be interesting to see credible statistics on how many of these people switch back to their natural 'identity' after a few weeks/months.

And finally, good luck with trying to push the term "cisgender" on the American public.

The word you're looking for is "normal".

[Dagnabbit]

How an individual deals with the situation when their gender identity does not match their biological genitals is a complex issue that is very individualized. Some people are fortunate to have compassionate and excellent medical advice and supportive families. The decisions made are very personal. There isn't one way to deal with it. Changing genitals is by no means the only way. It's an evolving field but it's complicated by the fact that when it's a child, getting started with medical therapies (such as hormones) early means there is the potential for a much more socially acceptable transition. In other words, the resulting transition may appear that the person is CISGENDER to the world. That's not necessarily the best thing for the person, but it is the most socially acceptable ... NOT exactly the same thing. There is no doubt that society expects people to present as male or female, and those that present as ambiguous face social issues and discrimination. Of course people should be screened by qualified medical professionals (not transphobic bigots) to determine whether medical therapies are really the best choice. Mistakes will be made, whether being too aggressive with medical intervention or not aggressive enough. Nobody said being a transgender person is simple or an easy path. That's another reason societies should should more COMPASSION to their situation.

I agree that everyone is different but giving children hormone treatment to stop them developing as their born sex is child abuse.

Children get confused about a lot of things as they are growing up and I find it alarming that people find it acceptable to give them hormone treatment.

[i claudius]

There is only one fair and simple way to resolve all this, we need more toilets. Gay men toilets, straight men toilets, bisexual men toilets, gay women toilets, straight women toilets, bisexual women toilets, transgender men post op toilets, transvestite men toilets, transgender women post op toilets, transvestite women toilets, ladyboy fancier toilets, men bestiality toilets, women bestiality toilets.

Then after phase one complete at how many billions, we can move on the phase two: conservative toilets, leftist toilets, anarchist toilets etc.

The final phase can then be undertaken: gay conservative toilets, bisexual leftist toilets, anarchist overweight lesbian toilets, short straight liberal toilets...

Sorry but you missed out toilets for people who do not see themselves as either male or female,how very un pc of you

[Jingthing]

It's only for children that have been well screened over a long period time by specialists. It's not child abuse. It's a medical decision. But that really is a a separate medical ethics issue. It's just an example of the range of options available for people in these more enlightened times. Ignoring the right wing insanity.

[i claudius]

After just reading this thread,I must take a lie down,my head hurts,it was so much easier when I was younger

[up-country_sinclair]

How an individual deals with the situation when their gender identity does not match their biological genitals is a complex issue that is very individualized. Some people are fortunate to have compassionate and excellent medical advice and supportive families. The decisions made are very personal. There isn't one way to deal with it. Changing genitals is by no means the only way. It's an evolving field but it's complicated by the fact that when it's a child, getting started with medical therapies (such as hormones) early means there is the potential for a much more socially acceptable transition. In other words, the resulting transition may appear that the person is CISGENDER to the world. That's not necessarily the best thing for the person, but it is the most socially acceptable ... NOT exactly the same thing. There is no doubt that society expects people to present as male or female, and those that present as ambiguous face social issues and discrimination. Of course people should be screened by qualified medical professionals (not transphobic bigots) to determine whether medical therapies are really the best choice. Mistakes will be made, whether being too aggressive with medical intervention or not aggressive enough. Nobody said being a transgender person is simple or an easy path. That's another reason societies should should more COMPASSION to their situation.

I agree that everyone is different but giving children hormone treatment to stop them developing as their born sex is child abuse.

It's grotesque and obscene.

The perpetrators should have their medical licenses revoked and be subject to lengthy incarceration.

[Dagnabbit]

It's only for children that have been well screened over a long period time by specialists. It's not child abuse. It's a medical decision. But that really is a a separate medical ethics issue. It's just an example of the range of options available for people in these more enlightened times. Ignoring the right wing insanity.

That may be a good theory but in practice that is not what is happening nowadays.

Look at this for instance: http://www.wikihow.com/Determine-if-a-Child-is-Transgender

This is quite indicative of what is going on in society.

"Children usually realise at a very young age (2-3 years old) that there is something wrong with their assigned sex"

Yet many of the 'symptoms' there are just phases that many kids go through.

"Transgender children may pretend to be the a different gender while playing, or play in a way that is gendered differently than their assigned sex."

That is EVERY child.

This has become a political issue. It is now politically incorrect to use reparative therapy to bring the child out of the delusion. In fact, we aren't even allowed to call it a delusion any more. In children, the best possible outcome would be to treat them until they feel mentally happy in the skin they are in but that is becoming something that is frowned upon but common sense should tell us that most gender confused children are likely to be going through a phase. Gender confusion can also be a symptom of a dysfunctional family.

Parents are an issue too. Parents that encourage their children to be trandgender are put on a pedestal. They are considered cool. In addition there are clinics that make hasty diagnosis and start transition therapy very quickly. You can see how parents might the page I attached and convince themselves their child is 'special' too.

Edited May 12, 2016 by Dagnabbit

[Jingthing]

BS. It's not taken lightly by anyone.

Enough with the hijacking. Treatment of kids with potential gender i.d. issues is off topic.

Edited May 12, 2016 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

A history of political toilet freakouts --

http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2016/05/north-carolina-transgender-history-bathrooms-freakouts-timeline