Deputy PM: If draft charter is rejected in referendum, new one will be passed without vote

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Deputy PM: If draft charter is rejected in referendum, new one will be passed without vote



BANGKOK, 7 April 2016 (NNT) - Deputy Prime Minister Wissanu Krea-ngam said if the people vote against the draft charter in the referendum, the government will consider drafting another one based on past constitutions.

Dr. Wissanu said the government cannot currently reveal exactly what steps will be taken if the Thai people refuse to accept the draft charter. He believed the statement could affect the outcome of the referendum.

However, the Deputy Prime Minister assured that such contingency measures will be revealed in a timely manner. The 2014 interim constitution would first have to be amended to enable the government to implement its solution.

Dr. Wissanu hinted that a new constitution could be drafted from the 1997, 2007 or draft constitutions. According to the Deputy Premier, this new constitution would be adopted without a public vote.

Meanwhile, Constitution Drafting Commission (CDC) Spokesperson Udom Rathamarit said the charter drafters are currently reviewing an explanation of key issues in the draft constitution to be submitted to the Election Commission for consideration.


-- NNT 2016-04-07

[GeorgesAbitbol]

Eat this sh.t willingly or have a far worse imposed in your plate!

[MZurf]

Come on junta lovers, spin this one!

[Snig27]

Oh dear, Mickey and his mouse have a plan to get Zimbabwe Thailand to democracy whether the voters like it or not.

[mrrizzla]

Eat this sh.t willingly or have a far worse imposed in your plate!

Pretty much.

[djjamie]

Goodness me.

It seems that the choice is

A/ delay the constitution if the referendum is not successful until the public vote oyes on it thus delaying elections on the promised date. Of course some will whinge and state "told you say, can't trust Prayut" and "typical of this govt and is of no surprise"

B/ If not voted in don't delay the process and pass a constitution used on previous ones thus ensuring elections are held on the promised date. Of course some will state "Come on junta lovers, spin this one!"

When the referendum is held and if it is a no vote then both will result in people blaming the Junta for something.

If it is a yes vote the comments will be "rigged results"

Poor Prayut can't win if he does and can't win if he doesn't. Just keep moving forward Prayut. No matter what you do the usual suspects will complain.

Edited April 7, 2016 by djjamie

[djjamie]

Oh dear, Mickey and his mouse have a plan to get Zimbabwe Thailand to democracy whether the voters like it or not.

Mugabe was voted in through elections for 33 years by a majority of the population. His name usually comes up when arguing against the other side of the political divide in Thailand.

[smutcakes]

They really have to be open about this, saying they cannot tell this and that now is crazy.

If there is an alternative which people prefer, but they cannot say it because it may affect voting, that is surely telling them that this is not the Constituion that the people want.

Lack of transparency and hiding their plans is not the correct way to do this.

[Khun Han]

So that's the referendum confirmed as a charade then.

[Mango Bob]

They change there story every time they speak to the press.

[Laughing Gravy]

Democracy Thai style.

[kannot]

Land of the free, the GREAT Thai nation, when's the civil war going to start....cant be far off

[cornishcarlos]

Oh dear, Mickey and his mouse have a plan to get Zimbabwe Thailand to democracy whether the voters like it or not.

Mugabe was voted in through elections for 33 years by a majority of the population. His name usually comes up when arguing against the other side of the political divide in Thailand.

And that turned out really well for the Zimbo population

[Rayk]

Goodness me.

It seems that the choice is

A/ delay the constitution if the referendum is not successful until the public vote oyes on it thus delaying elections on the promised date. Of course some will whinge and state "told you say, can't trust Prayut" and "typical of this govt and is of no surprise"

B/ If not voted in don't delay the process and pass a constitution used on previous ones thus ensuring elections are held on the promised date. Of course some will state "Come on junta lovers, spin this one!"

When the referendum is held and if it is a no vote then both will result in people blaming the Junta for something.

If it is a yes vote the comments will be "rigged results"

Poor Prayut can't win if he does and can't win if he doesn't. Just keep moving forward Prayut. No matter what you do the usual suspects will complain.

One of the many problems with your post is that the constitution will not under any circumstances be voted "yes" and that is worrying to the Junta, hence the reason why they are making this statement.

How about when the constitution is not passed the people in charge of moving the country backward step down and hold elections and allow the next government to create the constitution. Wishful thinking I suppose.

Edited April 7, 2016 by Rayk

[heybruce]

Goodness me.

It seems that the choice is

A/ delay the constitution if the referendum is not successful until the public vote oyes on it thus delaying elections on the promised date. Of course some will whinge and state "told you say, can't trust Prayut" and "typical of this govt and is of no surprise"

B/ If not voted in don't delay the process and pass a constitution used on previous ones thus ensuring elections are held on the promised date. Of course some will state "Come on junta lovers, spin this one!"

When the referendum is held and if it is a no vote then both will result in people blaming the Junta for something.

If it is a yes vote the comments will be "rigged results"

Poor Prayut can't win if he does and can't win if he doesn't. Just keep moving forward Prayut. No matter what you do the usual suspects will complain.

The choice is clear, vote for this "illegal to criticize" draft or the junta will impose a constitution on the Thai people. The Deputy PM gave no promises on what this constitution would be, only stating:

"Dr. Wissanu hinted that a new constitution could be drafted from the 1997, 2007 or draft constitutions."

In other words, it could be anything the junta wants it to be.

The junta could have allowed other parties to write and offer other constitutions in the referendum, and it could still give the Thai people a clear choice between this draft or the 1997 or 2007 constitutions. That's not the choice being presented, is it?

I'd like to use the analogy of choosing between eating dog feces or something worse, but it might be considered an illegal criticism of the draft.

[toybits]

Hmmm. THAT will surely encourage reconciliation. I would like to see that one fly. Really.

[dcnx]

... when's the civil war going to start....cant be far off

As soon as everyone reaches level 100,000 on Candy Crush.

[yellowboat]

And of course, the old general will explain this, as only he can, and other elected leaders around the world will understand Thailand's special circumstances. That being the 2000 or inbred elites want to retain control Thailand. One elite, one vote.

[jonclark]

Any constitution not passed by public support will have no weight whatsoever. Simply ignored and rewritten at a later date

[Reigntax]

Oh dear, Mickey and his mouse have a plan to get Zimbabwe Thailand to democracy whether the voters like it or not.

Mugabe was voted in through elections for 33 years by a majority of the population. His name usually comes up when arguing against the other side of the political divide in Thailand.

Only dj could put the same old spin to justify the junta and cohorts.

I thought Thailand belonged to the people, not just a selected, self imposed few. Proves that the entire reasoning to justify the coup was the farce we, accept for the dj, all knew.

Take what my selected few wish to impose on you or I will just impose my ideas of a military lead government with the purpose of maintaining power for my hiso associates who inturn will maintain and regularly increase military budgets as a way of saying thankyou.

The sad situation is, not only do people support the junta but they have the same comtempt for the majority of the people.

Edited April 7, 2016 by Reigntax

[bark]

Eat this sh.t willingly or have a far worse imposed in your plate!

Take it or Leave it

[SOUTHERNSTAR]

Goodness me.

It seems that the choice is

A/ delay the constitution if the referendum is not successful until the public vote oyes on it thus delaying elections on the promised date. Of course some will whinge and state "told you say, can't trust Prayut" and "typical of this govt and is of no surprise"

B/ If not voted in don't delay the process and pass a constitution used on previous ones thus ensuring elections are held on the promised date. Of course some will state "Come on junta lovers, spin this one!"

When the referendum is held and if it is a no vote then both will result in people blaming the Junta for something.

If it is a yes vote the comments will be "rigged results"

Poor Prayut can't win if he does and can't win if he doesn't. Just keep moving forward Prayut. No matter what you do the usual suspects will complain.

So its okay for you that someone can be locked up for 10 years for posing with a red bowl on fb. Although there is no law against it, it is against the army's law. You are backing people that have a total disregard of human rights and the well being of their people. I ask you again when the s... hits the fan, will you be on the first flight out or the second one?

If a country continue to vote in a leader in fair lections and that leader screws them it is their discission and there problem, that is the nature of democracy. If however you have a junta that screws their people and the majority are against them but the junta deny them the right to vote for their leaders or impede the will of the majority its called a autocratic state. To enlighten you thats the kind of state we saw in Burma for decades, you know the country next door that was shut out of the world community for not allowing their people to vote and even when they voted the army continued to controled the country. Does this not sound like your dear great leaders plan.

[MZurf]

Goodness me.

It seems that the choice is

A/ delay the constitution if the referendum is not successful until the public vote oyes on it thus delaying elections on the promised date. Of course some will whinge and state "told you say, can't trust Prayut" and "typical of this govt and is of no surprise"

B/ If not voted in don't delay the process and pass a constitution used on previous ones thus ensuring elections are held on the promised date. Of course some will state "Come on junta lovers, spin this one!"

When the referendum is held and if it is a no vote then both will result in people blaming the Junta for something.

If it is a yes vote the comments will be "rigged results"

Poor Prayut can't win if he does and can't win if he doesn't. Just keep moving forward Prayut. No matter what you do the usual suspects will complain.

"Just keep moving forward Prayut."

Forward????

[Baerboxer]

Any constitution not passed by public support will have no weight whatsoever. Simply ignored and rewritten at a later date

The threat to impose a modified version if the referendum has a "no" majority, or there are mass abstentions, is exactly that, a threat. You can't have details, you can't debate, you most certainly can't question, and if you don't vote for it you might get something far worse.

Not only no weight Jon, but removes all credibility. The problem is, how long before there is an opportunity to do a re-write?

Nobody said it was going to be easy but imposing a non debated non communicated version is no answer. It sends the message out "we know what's in it and it ain't what you want".

[Bob12345]

Goodness me.

It seems that the choice is

A/ delay the constitution if the referendum is not successful until the public vote oyes on it thus delaying elections on the promised date. Of course some will whinge and state "told you say, can't trust Prayut" and "typical of this govt and is of no surprise"

B/ If not voted in don't delay the process and pass a constitution used on previous ones thus ensuring elections are held on the promised date. Of course some will state "Come on junta lovers, spin this one!"

When the referendum is held and if it is a no vote then both will result in people blaming the Junta for something.

If it is a yes vote the comments will be "rigged results"

Poor Prayut can't win if he does and can't win if he doesn't. Just keep moving forward Prayut. No matter what you do the usual suspects will complain.

To be honest, it seems Prayut gives the population the following choice:

A/ you either approve of the proposed constitution where the army stays in control

B/ you vote against the proposed constitution where the army stays in control and we take the right to pass another constitution with which the army stays in control.

Does that seem like a fair deal to you for the people of Thailand?

Please answer seriously, but before you do, also think what you would answer when I change the word "army" with "Taksin". Would that have any effect to how you answer?

[skildpadden]

So the army is expecting it to be a no?

Perhaps that may be in their game plan as this allows them to introduce whatever constitution they really like - and there would be no specific time frame for drafting that one - basically giving unlimited time at the trough.

[GeorgesAbitbol]

Goodness me.

It seems that the choice is

A/ delay the constitution if the referendum is not successful until the public vote oyes on it thus delaying elections on the promised date. Of course some will whinge and state "told you say, can't trust Prayut" and "typical of this govt and is of no surprise"

B/ If not voted in don't delay the process and pass a constitution used on previous ones thus ensuring elections are held on the promised date. Of course some will state "Come on junta lovers, spin this one!"

When the referendum is held and if it is a no vote then both will result in people blaming the Junta for something.

If it is a yes vote the comments will be "rigged results"

Poor Prayut can't win if he does and can't win if he doesn't. Just keep moving forward Prayut. No matter what you do the usual suspects will complain.

And yet in your own profile you tell that you re against non-elected governments.

So just to ask, even if, as usual you never answer :

-What Prayut and the Junta has done so far?

-How is the freedom of speech now days compared to Australia, your home country?

-How do you feel when you see a woman arrested for a <deleted> red bowl and a thumb up? Do you think Aussies would find this normal?

-Of course the results will be rigged, do you really believe 98% of the thai people support this Junta as the past poll shown?

This chart will just put the military in control like in Burma, do you like to see Thailand as the lowest growth in ASEAn because of the poor management the army has done the last two years.

You must be pretty upset to have seen the Minister of Economy, as it is the one Thaksin hired and tje Junta finally decided to hire him because they were clueless about what to do

You must be pretty upset to see the Junta decide to give 200,000 thb to each village in the north...like Thaksin did...no doubt you will be the first in the street to fight against this

The thai media do not speak of that but, as you don not like unelected government who kill and frighten kids :

How do you feel when the Junta just told the whole family of a militant will be deported if he doesn't stop ?

What is your opinion on the fact that NONE of the coup have solved anything?

In the eyes of the Junta everybody who is not with them is a usual suspect, as you are a farang you re a suspect whatever you think

And on e side not, Prayut is everything but poor... but he doesn t want to let us know where the money come from...

seriously mate, libing in the North is not good for you, you re surrounded by the Red and probably have nightmare every night

[wabothai]

Looks like the Thai people get shafted.

[Pepper1959]

Can we define, DEMOCRACY?

[Srikcir]

If draft charter is rejected in referendum, new one will be passed without vote

You finally get some transparency into the intent of NCPO for Thailand's democratic future and it shows itself to be the lies you always denied or suspected.

Enacting a constitution without the mandate of the electoral majority will permanently instill a political conflict in Thai society that will go beyond verbal criticism. It will be the antithesis of reconcliation and reform allegedly championed by the junta. It will create a degree of danger to the Kingdom greater than what any outside influence could create.

The Thai military's veil as the arbitrator of Thai People's sovereignty will at last be lifted.