Are 'premium' car brands overrated?

[Ace of Pop]

Most do,but still manage to get Family Loans somehow.

[Rimmer]

A baiting off topic post and replies have been removed.

[ardokano]

Toyota is not a 'premium' ride, Toyota's parent company Lexus is...

Why?

First gen Toyuta Aristo 4 types are available engine and all-wheel drive transmission.

For the US wound Lexus GS only two engine and NOT 4x4.

For Europe market Lexus GS only ONE engine!!!

Toyota Harrier first and second gen had iven more option when Lexus RX.

As example - perforated leather on the seat

about ten years ago it was considered an option for luxury cars.

Toyota Harrier first had this is option .. And only after Lexus RX had it..

And have many another axemple.

So for you Lexus SC its premium ... Toyota Soarer - NO?

If for you premium it change logo.. Ok then.

1 For me premium/ luxery - its some not the usual / best quality among the similar.

2 The possibility of individuality( individual spec)

3 And of couse since the cost to produce it all need more - hence the price more and usually can not afford to ordinary workers.

Lexus not have ANY in market US... maybe only LS or LX had only No3..

so If for No3 Lexus its premium - Tuna for Thailand market it can say premium to..

PS

For me Lexus never be premium (Not have No2). Its Toyota with another logo..

[ardokano]

The tuna is not a premium vehicle, why do you struggle with this ?

from whose point of view? from my point of view the BMW of the third series, not every specification premium.

From Toyota view even cheap low qality car as Camry its premium for Thailand market. Its can see from advertising video.

You not say even determining the value any "premium".

[Don Mega]

The tuna is not a premium vehicle, why do you struggle with this ?

from whose point of view? from my point of view the BMW of the third series, not every specification premium.

From Toyota view even cheap low qality car as Camry its premium for Thailand market. Its can see from advertising video.

You not say even determining the value any "premium".

Yeah I got a top spec camry (well the missus does) and it defo aint premium no matter what Toyota Thailand wants you to think.

Entry level BMW has better build quality.

[Don Mega]

The tuna is not a premium vehicle, why do you struggle with this ?

from whose point of view? from my point of view the BMW of the third series, not every specification premium.

From Toyota view even cheap low qality car as Camry its premium for Thailand market. Its can see from advertising video.

You not say even determining the value any "premium".

Yeah I got a top spec camry (well the missus does) and it defo aint premium no matter what Toyota Thailand wants you to think.

Entry level BMW has better build quality.

Better build its only once frome many point premium.

In Thailand have top spec Camry?

Wow

You surprised me.

You get from gray market?

Yeah buddy, grey market for sure...... sold through the Toyota dealers

[Ace of Pop]

BM s start at 1.899 Mill, more premium price here than quality to me.

[ardokano]

In the UK the 'for sale' mags have categories....Run of the mill section, which includes Toyota, then we have the 'prestige' section, which includes ANY Merc, BMW, Volvo, Audi, Lexus, Jaguar etc...Then we have 'Luxury'....

So you not have your opinion?

In Thailand Toyota in advertising vidio represantativ some black edition camry as "premium".

PS

Tell me for you Toyota Soarer 4 gen and Lexus CS 1 gen its not same?

What difference? What premium what not?

Ps

I had both not see differens.

Edited June 23, 2016 by ardokano

[Ace of Pop]

If your Wife has a Top Camry, they give you a free Motorbike i hear.

[ardokano]

Yeah buddy, grey market for sure...... sold through the Toyota dealers

I'm just curious. at what the dealer has a top Camry . I know of no sale 3.5 liters from official dealers in Thai market.

Edited June 23, 2016 by ardokano

[Don Mega]

In the UK the 'for sale' mags have categories....Run of the mill section, which includes Toyota, then we have the 'prestige' section, which includes ANY Merc, BMW, Volvo, Audi, Lexus, Jaguar etc...Then we have 'Luxury'....

So you not have your opinion?

In Thailand Toyota in advertising vidio represantativ some black edition camry as "premium".

PS

Tell me for you Toyota Soarer 4 gen and Lexus CS 1 gen its not same?

What difference? What premium what not?

Ps

I had both not see differens.

You could not see the the difference between 4th gen Soarer and 1st gen Lexus ?

[Don Mega]

Yeah buddy, grey market for sure...... sold through the Toyota dealers

I'm just curious. at what the dealer has a top Camry . I know of no sale 3.5 liters from official dealers in Thai market.

who said anything about a 3.5 litre Camry ?

[ardokano]

In the UK the 'for sale' mags have categories....Run of the mill section, which includes Toyota, then we have the 'prestige' section, which includes ANY Merc, BMW, Volvo, Audi, Lexus, Jaguar etc...Then we have 'Luxury'....

So you not have your opinion?

In Thailand Toyota in advertising vidio represantativ some black edition camry as "premium".

PS

Tell me for you Toyota Soarer 4 gen and Lexus CS 1 gen its not same?

What difference? What premium what not?

Ps

I had both not see differens.

Bentleys were always cheaper than a Rolls.....

I know nothingI'm about the rides you quote, but l do know a Lexus is a premium ride worldwide..Those who choose to pay know that..Lexus has the best of the Toyota family technoledgy.

You know nothing but you know?

Tell me what tehnology have in Lexus CS first generation

are not have in Toyota Soarer 4 generation.

And even start produce Soarer first than Lexus CS.

[ardokano]

Yeah buddy, grey market for sure...... sold through the Toyota dealers

I'm just curious. at what the dealer has a top Camry . I know of no sale 3.5 liters from official dealers in Thai market.

who said anything about a 3.5 litre Camry ?

3.5 litre its top spec camry from Toyota. And sell not at all market.

2 litre its lovest spec camry( even fan camry do not think its real camry)

And 2 litre same sale not in all market.

You had another information?

Edited June 23, 2016 by ardokano

[Don Mega]

Yeah buddy, grey market for sure...... sold through the Toyota dealers

I'm just curious. at what the dealer has a top Camry . I know of no sale 3.5 liters from official dealers in Thai market.

who said anything about a 3.5 litre Camry ?

3.5 litre its top spec camry from Toyota. And sell not at all market.

2 litre its lovest spec camry( even fan camry do not think ots real camry)

And 2 litre same sale not in all market.

You had another information?

Another information ?.

You are the one talking about models not sold here in Thailand, not me.

[ardokano]

In the UK the 'for sale' mags have categories....Run of the mill section, which includes Toyota, then we have the 'prestige' section, which includes ANY Merc, BMW, Volvo, Audi, Lexus, Jaguar etc...Then we have 'Luxury'....

So you not have your opinion?

In Thailand Toyota in advertising vidio represantativ some black edition camry as "premium".

PS

Tell me for you Toyota Soarer 4 gen and Lexus CS 1 gen its not same?

What difference? What premium what not?

Ps

I had both not see differens.

You could not see the the difference between 4th gen Soarer and 1st gen Lexus ?

Ok . I think you can tell me?

Also can tell me about GS 1997-2004

And same yaer Aristo.

Lexus no have turbo.

More noise in salon. Sound in Aristo better.

thruster rear suspension no have on Lexus.

Its compare GS from Europe and Aristo from Japan.

"Tip tronic" not have on GS.

So tell me about

Soarer now.

[ardokano]

Yeah buddy, grey market for sure...... sold through the Toyota dealers

I'm just curious. at what the dealer has a top Camry . I know of no sale 3.5 liters from official dealers in Thai market.

who said anything about a 3.5 litre Camry ?

3.5 litre its top spec camry from Toyota. And sell not at all market.

2 litre its lovest spec camry( even fan camry do not think ots real camry)

And 2 litre same sale not in all market.

You had another information?

Another information ?.

You are the one talking about models not sold here in Thailand, not me.

You say Top spec Camry not me.

You not tell any about cheap version camry for thai market.

[ardokano]

Yeah buddy, grey market for sure...... sold through the Toyota dealers

I'm just curious. at what the dealer has a top Camry . I know of no sale 3.5 liters from official dealers in Thai market.

So what....?

You Don Mega?

So nothing... for you.

I just ask Don mega WHERE in Thailand have top spec Camry. May be start sell and i do not know.

[cumgranosalum]

seemds to me that some people need to look up the word "premium"

[Ace of Pop]

[Don Mega]

In the UK the 'for sale' mags have categories....Run of the mill section, which includes Toyota, then we have the 'prestige' section, which includes ANY Merc, BMW, Volvo, Audi, Lexus, Jaguar etc...Then we have 'Luxury'....

So you not have your opinion?

In Thailand Toyota in advertising vidio represantativ some black edition camry as "premium".

PS

Tell me for you Toyota Soarer 4 gen and Lexus CS 1 gen its not same?

What difference? What premium what not?

Ps

I had both not see differens.

You could not see the the difference between 4th gen Soarer and 1st gen Lexus ?

Ok . I think you can tell me?

Also can tell me about GS 1997-2004

And same yaer Aristo.

Lexus no have turbo.

More noise in salon. Sound in Aristo better.

thruster rear suspension no have on Lexus.

Its compare GS from Europe and Aristo from Japan.

"Tip tronic" not have on GS.

So tell me about

Soarer now.

Well it appears there is no such vehicle called a Lexus CS so I assume you meant Lexus SC.

soooo.

1st gen Lexus SC production - 1991 to 2000.

4th gen Soarer production - 2001 to 2005.

Not the same vehicle so how you could not tell any difference beggars belief.

[ardokano]

What I do know is what a 'premium' (prestidge) ride is, you do not, you think cos LOS wages are low every ride is a premium ride...You are wrong..

Manufacturers don't give a stuff about income (you do), you can afford it or you cannot...Simple stuff really....Rides in LOS are provided for the LOS market, that is simple to understand, well it is to me........

no opinion do you have? and you said you agreed without thinking? but in this case you are your own to contradict yourself. Earth you are not able to analyze and think. Toyota is already create one for people like you. Look video Toyota Camry for Thailand.

[ardokano]

Well it appears there is no such vehicle called a Lexus CS so I assume you meant Lexus SC.

soooo.

1st gen Lexus SC production - 1991 to 2000.

4th gen Soarer production - 2001 to 2005.

Not the same vehicle so how you could not tell any difference beggars belief.

I am so sorry

I was wrong.

I mean Soarer UZZ32 model.. Its start after 1996.. In my opinion it be top ..

And Lexus even near not have all What have Toyota.(tv, touch screen,thrusters rear wheels and complex computer-controlled hydraulic active suspension.)

After 2001 its be total same car Lexus SC= Toyota Soarer.

Before 2001 Soarer can say more premium than Lexus..

[Don Mega]

Well it appears there is no such vehicle called a Lexus CS so I assume you meant Lexus SC.

soooo.

1st gen Lexus SC production - 1991 to 2000.

4th gen Soarer production - 2001 to 2005.

Not the same vehicle so how you could not tell any difference beggars belief.

I am so sorry

I was wrong.

I mean Soarer UZZ32 model.. Its start after 1996.. In my opinion it be top ..

And Lexus even near not have all What have Toyota.(tv, touch screen,thrusters rear wheels and complex computer-controlled hydraulic active suspension.)

After 2001 its be total same car Lexus SC= Toyota Soarer.

Before 2001 Soarer can say more premium than Lexus..

Ahhh 1st of the V8 Soarer's. Nice cars back in the day.

I thought production of them was 91 to 96 ?

[ardokano]

Well it appears there is no such vehicle called a Lexus CS so I assume you meant Lexus SC.

soooo.

1st gen Lexus SC production - 1991 to 2000.

4th gen Soarer production - 2001 to 2005.

Not the same vehicle so how you could not tell any difference beggars belief.

I am so sorry

I was wrong.

I mean Soarer UZZ32 model.. Its start after 1996.. In my opinion it be top ..

And Lexus even near not have all What have Toyota.(tv, touch screen,thrusters rear wheels and complex computer-controlled hydraulic active suspension.)

After 2001 its be total same car Lexus SC= Toyota Soarer.

Before 2001 Soarer can say more premium than Lexus..

Ahhh 1st of the V8 Soarer's. Nice cars back in the day.

I thought production of them was 91 to 96 ?

V8 from 91 to 2000. in uzz30

32 to 96( again i am wrong), but my friend have this win show as 97 uzz31 but have spec 32. delivery from Japan auction with full history.

What ever point

Toyota Soarer better then 1st gen SC.

As inovation and in spec comfort( audio, TV etc)

Soarer and Lexus SC second Gen its SAME.

And i do not understand How can say Lexus is premium and Toyota NOT..

Becouse Brand say?

[Don Mega]

Well it appears there is no such vehicle called a Lexus CS so I assume you meant Lexus SC.

soooo.

1st gen Lexus SC production - 1991 to 2000.

4th gen Soarer production - 2001 to 2005.

Not the same vehicle so how you could not tell any difference beggars belief.

I am so sorry

I was wrong.

I mean Soarer UZZ32 model.. Its start after 1996.. In my opinion it be top ..

And Lexus even near not have all What have Toyota.(tv, touch screen,thrusters rear wheels and complex computer-controlled hydraulic active suspension.)

After 2001 its be total same car Lexus SC= Toyota Soarer.

Before 2001 Soarer can say more premium than Lexus..

Ahhh 1st of the V8 Soarer's. Nice cars back in the day.

I thought production of them was 91 to 96 ?

V8 from 91 to 2000. in uzz30

32 to 96( again i am wrong), but my friend have this win show as 97 uzz31 but have spec 32. delivery from Japan auction with full history.

What ever point

Toyota Soarer better then 1st gen SC.

As inovation and in spec comfort( audio, TV etc)

Soarer and Lexus SC second Gen its SAME.

And i do not understand How can say Lexus is premium and Toyota NOT..

Becouse Brand say?

I never said Lexus was a premium vehicle.

[ardokano]

I never said Lexus was a premium vehicle.

Good then!!!

In my opinion same!!!

Do you see a subjective opinion.

everything is relative.

for Tranc its premium.

So low qality ,low cost SUV for poor guys as me -Tuna or car for house wife from poor family - Camry relative to income in Thailand can be premium.

[ardokano]

What I do know is what a 'premium' (prestidge) ride is, you do not, you think cos LOS wages are low every ride is a premium ride...You are wrong..

Manufacturers don't give a stuff about income (you do), you can afford it or you cannot...Simple stuff really....Rides in LOS are provided for the LOS market, that is simple to understand, well it is to me........

no opinion do you have? and you said you agreed without thinking? but in this case you are your own to contradict yourself. Earth you are not able to analyze and think. Toyota is already create one for people like you. Look video Toyota Camry for Thailand.

....Ardon, l think you must join a forum that knows what you are talking about...Cos I ain't got a clue what you are talking about....

I see you do not know about car many thinks.

So no need be silly.

Lexus it Toyotya just with another logo and sure its NOT premium for full reason..

But if you say Lexus it premium car( just for one reason money), Tuna also can be premium- for same reason

[Don Mega]

I never said Lexus was a premium vehicle.

Good then!!!

In my opinion same!!!

Do you see a subjective opinion.

everything is relative.

for Tranc its premium.

So low qality ,low cost SUV for poor guys as me -Tuna or car for house wife from poor family - Camry relative to income in Thailand can be premium.

Cost of car in relation to income does not make it a premium product in my opinion but rather a foolish decision by those buying beyond their means.

Edited June 23, 2016 by Don Mega

[ardokano]

Cost of car in relation to income does not make it a premium product in my opinion but rather a foolish decision by those buying beyond their means.

Generally the price of the product is one of the factors.

But this is a consequence of other factors.

Such as exclusive, high quality concerning Most of the same products. All this increases the cost of goods.

And relation not to income some personal. And not talking about who buy or not.

Such as in many communities car with logo BMW and Benz thi is trolley cars if not have AMG or etc logo. even its 5 or 6 litre troley as SL500.. S600..