Supreme Court begins first trial of fake rice deal scandal

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Supreme Court begins first trial of fake rice deal scandal

BANGKOK: -- The Supreme Court's Criminal Division for Political Office Holders today began the first hearing of testimony by six state witnesses in the controversial fake G-2-G rice deals with China against former commerce minister Boonsong Teriyapirom and 28 other politicians, state officials and business individuals.

The hearing today was adjourned from April 27 upon request by the defendants who asked for more time to prepare written testimony to submit to the court to defend the charges.

Boonsong and the others were accused by the Office of the Attorney General of corruption and malfeasance over the rice deals to the Chinese government, and price collusion.

The state demanded them to pay compensation of 26 billion baht for the damages caused by the fake rice deals.

Six witnesses from six state agencies are to testify against the 28 accused.

The key witness who divulge the fake rice deal Dr Warong Dechgitvigrom posted on his Facebook page today saying he was ready to give testimony to the court.

The trial started at 9.30 am.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/supreme-court-begins-first-trial-fake-rice-deal-scandal/


-- Thai PBS 2016-06-15

[anon467848]

Yawn, progress in the Thai courts goes at a snails pace. So after 2 years they have got round to the first hearing. They will probably reach a verdict in 10 years time, by which time another party will be in power, and all charges will be dropped..

The state demanded them to pay compensation of 26 billion baht for the damages caused by the fake rice deals.

[trogers]

ASEAN's hub of justice system?

[sharecropper]

It's a shame as this kind of egregious scam, run by all colours of governments in the past, is exactly what the un-democratically unelected government should be heavily clamping down on, where clear evidence appears to be available of collusion and criminal behaviour.

Unfortunately these legitimate cases get lumped in with the unwarranted persecution of YS, so people even criticise these cases as vindictively colour-oriented.

[halloween]

It's a shame as this kind of egregious scam, run by all colours of governments in the past, is exactly what the un-democratically unelected government should be heavily clamping down on, where clear evidence appears to be available of collusion and criminal behaviour.

Unfortunately these legitimate cases get lumped in with the unwarranted persecution of YS, so people even criticise these cases as vindictively colour-oriented.

Yingluk should consider herself very lucky that she is not defendant #29. Some of those charged are apparently closely connected to her brother, who had no legal right to be involved in cabinet meetings, selection of ministers and formulation of policy.

[Winniedapu]

It's a shame as this kind of egregious scam, run by all colours of governments in the past, is exactly what the un-democratically unelected government should be heavily clamping down on, where clear evidence appears to be available of collusion and criminal behaviour.

Unfortunately these legitimate cases get lumped in with the unwarranted persecution of YS, so people even criticise these cases as vindictively colour-oriented.

Yingluk should consider herself very lucky that she is not defendant #29. Some of those charged are apparently closely connected to her brother, who had no legal right to be involved in cabinet meetings, selection of ministers and formulation of policy.

But but but... Thaksin!!

*yawn*

Winnie

[Siripon]

After Chucheep and Sanoh Tien Thong's brother were jailed for 6 years for corruption in cheating farmers with fake fertlizer, several politicians with outstanding cases must be quaking in their shoes. I won't be surprised to see members of 2 factions loyal to Thaksin, one in the central region and one in the lower north facing prosecution soon. Yingluk and Oak must be getting worried too, could be time to go to the next Olympics, but quietly unlike her brother.

[whatproblem]

So they've been given more time to make a get away,if they were held in remand they wouldn't be wanted the postponements

[chainarong]

Yawn, progress in the Thai courts goes at a snails pace. So after 2 years they have got round to the first hearing. They will probably reach a verdict in 10 years time, by which time another party will be in power, and all charges will be dropped..

The state demanded them to pay compensation of 26 billion baht for the damages caused by the fake rice deals.

Amnesty

[Srikcir]

Can someone provide a timelime of events concerning this fake G-2-G rice deals with China from the beginning?

It's been called a fake deal but China seemed involved in negotiations on the deal as publically announced by both Thailand and CHina at the time. To date China has largley remained silent on the deal and refused to cooperate with Thai law enforcement authorities.

[Winniedapu]

Can someone provide a timelime of events concerning this fake G-2-G rice deals with China from the beginning?

It's been called a fake deal but China seemed involved in negotiations on the deal as publically announced by both Thailand and CHina at the time. To date China has largley remained silent on the deal and refused to cooperate with Thai law enforcement authorities.

Best not to interfere with politically driven versions of events.

They much prefer fantasies, as do some of the posters on TV.

Still, whatever floats their boats I expect. So long as they're doing all this nonsense to other Thais and not me, then all is well, The Thais will decide for themselves how much sh|t they're prepared to stomach. I'm reminded of an old saying that could easily have been created with Thailand in mind: "Life is like a sh|t sandwich. The more bread you've got, the less sh|t you have to eat"

Seems fair enough, though I suspect that somewhere there is an evil demon who has decreed that Thais have to eat more than other people, and have to pretend to enjoy it as well...

Winnie

[halloween]

Can someone provide a timelime of events concerning this fake G-2-G rice deals with China from the beginning?

It's been called a fake deal but China seemed involved in negotiations on the deal as publically announced by both Thailand and CHina at the time. To date China has largley remained silent on the deal and refused to cooperate with Thai law enforcement authorities.

Or you could do your own homework.

Of course negotiations were announced, it would be strange if an alleged deal was done without them. Apparently Yingluk wasn't as desperate to move the rice as the Chinese had hoped. After all, it wasn't her money being wasted by the billion, and there was a Plan B. Allegedly she nothing about it.

How do you know that the Chinese have reused to co-operate with either side, the witnesses haven't given evidence yet?

[Ulic]

I still don't understand this case. Was rice stolen sold and money pocketed. Or is this a miss

information face thing and the 26 billion number just pulled out of thin air.

[halloween]

I still don't understand this case. Was rice stolen sold and money pocketed. Or is this a miss

information face thing and the 26 billion number just pulled out of thin air.

It is alleged that rice was sold at very cheap prices in supposed G2G deals. But the rice was not exported, it was packaged and sold on the local market. AFAIK the figure represents the difference in price between the payment received and what they would have received if sold for local consumption.

[trainman34014]

They are just wasting more money as in several years time they will all be exonerated by another Government or given paltry suspended sentences. True justice here is not alive and well !

[ramrod711]

It's a shame as this kind of egregious scam, run by all colours of governments in the past, is exactly what the un-democratically unelected government should be heavily clamping down on, where clear evidence appears to be available of collusion and criminal behaviour.

Unfortunately these legitimate cases get lumped in with the unwarranted persecution of YS, so people even criticise these cases as vindictively colour-oriented.

Yingluk should consider herself very lucky that she is not defendant #29. Some of those charged are apparently closely connected to her brother, who had no legal right to be involved in cabinet meetings, selection of ministers and formulation of policy.

But but but... Thaksin!!

*yawn*

Winnie

But but but... Thaksin!! "yawn"

Done to death, yawn is right. I'm confident you can do better than that......well, perhaps not confident, but hopeful.

[Winniedapu]

It's a shame as this kind of egregious scam, run by all colours of governments in the past, is exactly what the un-democratically unelected government should be heavily clamping down on, where clear evidence appears to be available of collusion and criminal behaviour.

Unfortunately these legitimate cases get lumped in with the unwarranted persecution of YS, so people even criticise these cases as vindictively colour-oriented.

Yingluk should consider herself very lucky that she is not defendant #29. Some of those charged are apparently closely connected to her brother, who had no legal right to be involved in cabinet meetings, selection of ministers and formulation of policy.

But but but... Thaksin!!

*yawn*

Winnie

But but but... Thaksin!! "yawn"

Done to death, yawn is right. I'm confident you can do better than that......well, perhaps not confident, but hopeful.

No point grumbling at me friend, grumble at the Thaksin-haters. Is it better to scold the dog for biting or kick the idiot who poked it with a stick?

W

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[Siripon]

Here are the frst 3 sentences from a Thai PBS article 2yearsago, enclosed is the link.

The commissioner disclosed that the NACC’s probe team had found that the G-to-G rice deal between the Foreign Trade Department and the Chinese firm was non-existent and there was no proof that the company was authorized by China to enter into the rice deal with Thailand.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/pm-yingluck-probed-connection-fake-rice-deal/

[scorecard]

I still don't understand this case. Was rice stolen sold and money pocketed. Or is this a miss

information face thing and the 26 billion number just pulled out of thin air.

Blatant lies comes to mind.

[Winniedapu]

Here are the frst 3 sentences from a Thai PBS article 2yearsago, enclosed is the link.

The commissioner disclosed that the NACC’s probe team had found that the G-to-G rice deal between the Foreign Trade Department and the Chinese firm was non-existent and there was no proof that the company was authorized by China to enter into the rice deal with Thailand.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/pm-yingluck-probed-connection-fake-rice-deal/

"there was no proof that the company was authorized by China to enter into the rice deal with Thailand."

Whether or not there was proof is not the business of the NACC. A contract is a contract. Whom China authorises or does not authorise is up to China. Adds to the perception that the whole rice 'scandal' is a beat-up.

Win

[rubl]

Here are the frst 3 sentences from a Thai PBS article 2yearsago, enclosed is the link.

The commissioner disclosed that the NACC’s probe team had found that the G-to-G rice deal between the Foreign Trade Department and the Chinese firm was non-existent and there was no proof that the company was authorized by China to enter into the rice deal with Thailand.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/pm-yingluck-probed-connection-fake-rice-deal/

"there was no proof that the company was authorized by China to enter into the rice deal with Thailand."

Whether or not there was proof is not the business of the NACC. A contract is a contract. Whom China authorises or does not authorise is up to China. Adds to the perception that the whole rice 'scandal' is a beat-up.

Win

A '500++ billion Baht' perception? Pheu Thai stating to have paid 860 billion Baht directly to rice farmers and them still poor also a perception? Aiming at 3.6 million rice farmers families and having 1.4 million actually qualified to participate, spending 800 billion Baht in two and a half year also a perception stated by Pheu Thai?

So, in a G2G deal with a non-authorised Chinese partner is up to the Chinese? Funny reasoning. The Thai government should make sure that what they call a G2G deal is indeed a G2G deal. If the second G is not sanctioned by the second government it's not a G2G deal.

[biggles45]

What a waste of time and money, no one with influence in Thailand gets jail time

[Winniedapu]

Here are the frst 3 sentences from a Thai PBS article 2yearsago, enclosed is the link.

The commissioner disclosed that the NACC’s probe team had found that the G-to-G rice deal between the Foreign Trade Department and the Chinese firm was non-existent and there was no proof that the company was authorized by China to enter into the rice deal with Thailand.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/pm-yingluck-probed-connection-fake-rice-deal/

"there was no proof that the company was authorized by China to enter into the rice deal with Thailand."

Whether or not there was proof is not the business of the NACC. A contract is a contract. Whom China authorises or does not authorise is up to China. Adds to the perception that the whole rice 'scandal' is a beat-up.

Win

A '500++ billion Baht' perception? Pheu Thai stating to have paid 860 billion Baht directly to rice farmers and them still poor also a perception? Aiming at 3.6 million rice farmers families and having 1.4 million actually qualified to participate, spending 800 billion Baht in two and a half year also a perception stated by Pheu Thai?

So, in a G2G deal with a non-authorised Chinese partner is up to the Chinese? Funny reasoning. The Thai government should make sure that what they call a G2G deal is indeed a G2G deal. If the second G is not sanctioned by the second government it's not a G2G deal.

"So, in a G2G deal with a non-authorised Chinese partner is up to the Chinese? Funny reasoning."

Well, it would be except that's not what I said, but then you know that.

Just another distortion, this time a straw man because you're struggling.

Sad.

W

[rubl]

Can someone provide a timelime of events concerning this fake G-2-G rice deals with China from the beginning?

It's been called a fake deal but China seemed involved in negotiations on the deal as publically announced by both Thailand and CHina at the time. To date China has largley remained silent on the deal and refused to cooperate with Thai law enforcement authorities.

Sorry to see you suffer from a sudden memory loss. Better take care.

To jolt the memory maybe read these topics again. One you even posted and had replies. Oldest start date first:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/810569-nacc-wants-additional-graft-charges/

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/821641-ex-ministers-choose-not-to-answer-nlas-g2g-queries/

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/823634-nla-impeaches-boonsong-poom-manas/

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/836588-thai-supreme-court-begins-first-trial-of-fake-rice-deal/

[rubl]

Here are the frst 3 sentences from a Thai PBS article 2yearsago, enclosed is the link.

The commissioner disclosed that the NACC’s probe team had found that the G-to-G rice deal between the Foreign Trade Department and the Chinese firm was non-existent and there was no proof that the company was authorized by China to enter into the rice deal with Thailand.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/pm-yingluck-probed-connection-fake-rice-deal/

"there was no proof that the company was authorized by China to enter into the rice deal with Thailand."

Whether or not there was proof is not the business of the NACC. A contract is a contract. Whom China authorises or does not authorise is up to China. Adds to the perception that the whole rice 'scandal' is a beat-up.

Win

A '500++ billion Baht' perception? Pheu Thai stating to have paid 860 billion Baht directly to rice farmers and them still poor also a perception? Aiming at 3.6 million rice farmers families and having 1.4 million actually qualified to participate, spending 800 billion Baht in two and a half year also a perception stated by Pheu Thai?

So, in a G2G deal with a non-authorised Chinese partner is up to the Chinese? Funny reasoning. The Thai government should make sure that what they call a G2G deal is indeed a G2G deal. If the second G is not sanctioned by the second government it's not a G2G deal.

"So, in a G2G deal with a non-authorised Chinese partner is up to the Chinese? Funny reasoning."

Well, it would be except that's not what I said, but then you know that.

Just another distortion, this time a straw man because you're struggling.

Sad.

W

so you were just trying to distract as if it was relevant. The Thai government going into G2G deals had the responsibility to check with the Chinese government that the Chinese partners were authorised.

Of course that is apart from the the shenanigans Boonsong c.s. were trying. Read some of the topics to refresh your memory before you also suffer from memory loss like dear Srikcir

[phoenixdoglover]

It's too bad the evidentiary details will be unreported or poorly described. These Thai legal proceedings are like the dance of the seven veils.

[rubl]

It's too bad the evidentiary details will be unreported or poorly described. These Thai legal proceedings are like the dance of the seven veils.

Well, the links on older topic about the G2G deals I just posted give some indication. Of course you being the lawyer type of guy you'd rather sit in court and listen. Since you can't or won't you just make subtle suggestions here, the mere hint that all is not well. Masterly.

[Wilsonandson]

"You faked the rice deal, now I'm wondering if you faked other things in our life as well?"

"I've always been true to you my love, I'd never fake that"

"Sure...?"

"Truth today"

[phoenixdoglover]

It's too bad the evidentiary details will be unreported or poorly described. These Thai legal proceedings are like the dance of the seven veils.

Well, the links on older topic about the G2G deals I just posted give some indication. Of course you being the lawyer type of guy you'd rather sit in court and listen. Since you can't or won't you just make subtle suggestions here, the mere hint that all is not well. Masterly.

There often is a world of difference between what is reported in the press and what is presented in the courtroom. Standards of evidence and procedure, you know.

There is more than a hint that all is not well in the Thai criminal justice system. One problem is the lack of transparency with the proceedings. We learn that "six witnesses" are to testify, but nothing is reported about the substance of their testimony.

In a functioning democracy, the courts should be subject to as much inspection as the other branches of government. Court proceedings should be generally open, and recorded, and the press should be free to report details.