Thai gf/wife mentality. Are most of them like that ?

[D3030]

Hi guys,

i met briefly and slept with a few (7 or 8) girls, and stayed "a bit" longer with the last one (a little more than a month). They all had a normal job (office, hospital, small business). First i just wanted to have fun, then i got charmed by the last one but finally got disappointed. So, now i'm trying to understand why.

According to my short experience, i noticed the following:

1) Many thai girls seem to not (want, like or can?) use their brain a lot, and to be only interested in frivolous things (such as watching bad soap operas, playing games or looking at their cellphone), unlike many people in the western culture (who tend to be interested in (too) many things). I'm tempted to provocatively ask wether they're all stupid, but i don't think they are.

2) I know that a majority of thai people are very proud of their country and are not really interested in other countries and cultures. But does this really prevent most thai girls from having more fun and exciting hobbies and interests ? Or is it something else ?

Well, if you banged 7 or 8... Non-BarGirls..

And spent about a month with just one.. Non-BarGirl..

Get a bar girl, they will pretend to have fun with you..

Unlike non-bargirls, that aparantly will also put out, but won't pretend to enjoy your company..

[questionsreplies]

they are worst rhan whatvyou are saying. the good point is that i will never have kids thanks to them being so stupid. i wonder how any educated farang can accept all their BS.

[wileycoyote]

I honestly think the more education a Thai girlfriend has the more open she is to other ideas and culture,

[questionsreplies]

to tell you how much you are wrong i had lots of fun with hundreds, most of them educated and money, some poor but hot usually married to farangs ♥♥♥

How much were you paying them? Or did you just want free sex outside of marriage? Stick to the sex trade as it is cheaper, more honourable, more fun and less stress -. and yes a lot more fun. You don't seem to understand Thai sexual mores and values. Good (stable) girls do not sleep around least of all with a farang which is fairly shaming as is sex outside of marriage.

[ozyjon]

They are your typical Thai girls,,, so ?

[rogeroc]

SB said 'I'd imagine a high proportion of women who end up in the sex industry in any country have some sort of mental health issue.'

Why do you need to be so unkind to girls who receive money in payment for their companionship? I know girls who work in bars, are degree educated but choose to do so because of the earning potential, shorter hours, opportunities to meet new and different people and also opportunities to travel. Many of the bargirls in the 'Western Arena' have a degree of choice as to their companions. You are insulting their intelligence and failing to understand their realistic alternatives.!

[rogeroc]

In direct response to the Op. Whilst i have not lived with any Thai girls i have known quite a few over a long period of time and i agree with your observations. However why not look at their good points, they are charming, polite and well mannered, they are strong minded and a little fiesty, they are intuitive, they have a good sense of humour and they love a good night out to have a few drinks a dance and fun. On top of all that they look after you and are great lovers. If you want to chat with someone who knows the difference between Australia and Austria why not spend your mornings sharing coffee with your Western male friends?

[bwpage3]

All these posts are the same. Always all the loser men railing how bad the women are. The men you see running around Thailand are bottom feeders. If you have any merit all you can have a superstar wife who does it all. If not, it is because you are the problem. If you can't make it work in Thailand your pretty much a loser. Lots of long term happily married men.

[212Roger]

All of the above, "Same Same, But Different."

[thaivisaismylife]

OP ! as it it the first time that i read something smart on this forum I have opened an account just to tell you how you clearly understand the situation.

I read all and find so funny that other people can't understand this: nobody tell you that we can't be with a Thai, but if you do not understand that they cannot mentally compare even with any women who didn't go to university in US, you are really hopeless :-)

[williamgeorgeallen]

I honestly think the more education a Thai girlfriend has the more open she is to other ideas and culture,

and the more boring they will be. like another guy said, at least a bar girl will pretend to have fun with you. higher end girls will just cost you more money and wont get into bed for months. whats the point in coming to thailand to be with woman who are just like back home?

[D3030]

SB said 'I'd imagine a high proportion of women who end up in the sex industry in any country have some sort of mental health issue.'

Why do you need to be so unkind to girls who receive money in payment for their companionship? I know girls who work in bars, are degree educated but choose to do so because of the earning potential, shorter hours, opportunities to meet new and different people and also opportunities to travel. Many of the bargirls in the 'Western Arena' have a degree of choice as to their companions. You are insulting their intelligence and failing to understand their realistic alternatives.!

Seems to be less expensive to be with a Thai women...

Either if they are smart or stupid; educated are not; Employed or Unemployed.

I prefer any Thai woman, that has never traveled out of Thailand, than some of those psycho women from the United States..

Spend money on psycho bitch from the U.S., or spend $$ on a Thai woman...

I live in Thailand now..

Edited June 23, 2016 by D3030

[DrTuner]

If I was a Thai woman I'd be studying my ass off in order to get the hell out of here and land a prime farang in a far away farangland.

If I was a single farang here, I'd be looking for the ones clever enough to do the above but having no chance to do it. That's backwater Isaan, pau lao boa?

[williamgeorgeallen]

SB said 'I'd imagine a high proportion of women who end up in the sex industry in any country have some sort of mental health issue.'

Why do you need to be so unkind to girls who receive money in payment for their companionship? I know girls who work in bars, are degree educated but choose to do so because of the earning potential, shorter hours, opportunities to meet new and different people and also opportunities to travel. Many of the bargirls in the 'Western Arena' have a degree of choice as to their companions. You are insulting their intelligence and failing to understand their realistic alternatives.!

Seems to be less expensive to be with a Thai women...

Either if they are smart or stupid; educated are not; Employed or Unemployed.

I prefer any Thai woman, that has never traveled out of Thailand, than some of those psycho women from the United States..

Spend money on psycho bitch from the U.S., or spend $$ on a Thai woman...

I live in Thailand now..

well i guess they are all the same the world over. thai men seem to be better at handling thai woman however. never thought i would ever be able to stay with a woman long enough to raise kids but i have had the same thai girl for 5 years now and we have 2 kids. the kids seem to keep her busy and she relies on me for financial support. co dependence is about as good as you can hope for really.

[Agent Sumo]

I honestly think the more education a Thai girlfriend has the more open she is to other ideas and culture,

and the more boring they will be. like another guy said, at least a bar girl will pretend to have fun with you. higher end girls will just cost you more money and wont get into bed for months. whats the point in coming to thailand to be with woman who are just like back home?

Some really stupid generalizations made there.

You're saying that educated women don't like sex as much and that they'll require higher financial maintenance?

[Agent Sumo]

If I was a Thai woman I'd be studying my ass off in order to get the hell out of here and land a prime farang in a far away farangland.

Yeah because people get educated so they can become financially-dependent and specifically look outside their own culture for a mate.

[williamgeorgeallen]

I honestly think the more education a Thai girlfriend has the more open she is to other ideas and culture,

and the more boring they will be. like another guy said, at least a bar girl will pretend to have fun with you. higher end girls will just cost you more money and wont get into bed for months. whats the point in coming to thailand to be with woman who are just like back home?

Some really stupid generalizations made there.

You're saying that educated women don't like sex as much and that they'll require higher financial maintenance?

as a generalization i am sure hi so thai girls probably enjoy sex more than most bar girls who have been banged out working in a bar. on the flip side low so girls will jump into bed much faster than a high so girl as they will not want to loose their potential long term sponsor. now the guys i know with high so girls (i know 2 of them) spend alot more on their girls than the guys i know with low so girls (i know lots of them). example me, my girl from a very poor rural back ground is raising our 2 kids on 15 000thb per month. i cant see a high so girl agreeing to that.

now these are more generalizations, what do you think?

[Agent Sumo]

I honestly think the more education a Thai girlfriend has the more open she is to other ideas and culture,

and the more boring they will be. like another guy said, at least a bar girl will pretend to have fun with you. higher end girls will just cost you more money and wont get into bed for months. whats the point in coming to thailand to be with woman who are just like back home?

Some really stupid generalizations made there.

You're saying that educated women don't like sex as much and that they'll require higher financial maintenance?

as a generalization i am sure hi so thai girls probably enjoy sex more than most bar girls who have been banged out working in a bar. on the flip side low so girls will jump into bed much faster than a high so girl as they will not want to loose their potential long term sponsor. now the guys i know with high so girls (i know 2 of them) spend alot more on their girls than the guys i know with low so girls (i know lots of them). example me, my girl from a very poor rural back ground is raising our 2 kids on 15 000thb per month. i cant see a high so girl agreeing to that.

now these are more generalizations, what do you think?

Wow! 2 anecdotes, well that proves it then

As for your own situation, all you're proving is that you're strapped for cash and that chose your poor workhorse based on what you could afford to pay each month. One wonders why you'd choose to have children with such constrained finances

Regardless, that's your choice but you shouldn't really be preaching to people who choose their partners on rather more substantial criteria

[marko kok prong]

555

I don't have to cough

up a monthly retainer,

nor do I have to buy

gold to keep my women

interested, mate.

Time and time again, you

go for the lowest common

denominator and you

wonder why you end up

trudging down the road

with your belongings in a

shopping cart.

You need to stop scraping

around for roadkill in the

boonies then you might get

one worth holding onto.

Time to stop losing, marko

5555

No you don't give a monthly retainer as you put it cos you got nothing to retain have you,how is it sitting alone,in your chino's and chelsea boots,after you have ventured out to the local 7/11.please Pal get a life before you criticise others that actually have one.

How do you know he wears chinos?

Cos he posted about it before them and his chelsea boots,which must be nice in this climate.

Not everyone likes the bogan look

Also, not everyone is so out of shape that they can't wear trousers in the Thai climate without sweating through them.

How are the Lycra tights feeling at the moment,your as bad as ys,in your case cruising the back street on your cycle,instead of stalking like he does,ye gods.you two are truly bizarre.

[StreetCowboy]

Whilst we're digressing onto cycling kit, I bought a cycling jersey without paying due diligence on the range of sizes available, and it turns out XL is snug on me beyond flattery to the point of ridicule, or even obscenity; I'm nervous about wearing it in the presence of fellow cyclists of a nervous disposition, and motorists tend to look away in horror

[williamgeorgeallen]

as a generalization i am sure hi so thai girls probably enjoy sex more than most bar girls who have been banged out working in a bar. on the flip side low so girls will jump into bed much faster than a high so girl as they will not want to loose their potential long term sponsor. now the guys i know with high so girls (i know 2 of them) spend alot more on their girls than the guys i know with low so girls (i know lots of them). example me, my girl from a very poor rural back ground is raising our 2 kids on 15 000thb per month. i cant see a high so girl agreeing to that.

now these are more generalizations, what do you think?

Wow! 2 anecdotes, well that proves it then

As for your own situation, all you're proving is that you're strapped for cash and that chose your poor workhorse based on what you could afford to pay each month. One wonders why you'd choose to have children with such constrained finances

Regardless, that's your choice but you shouldn't really be preaching to people who choose their partners on rather more substantial criteria

i am not preaching to anyone. this is a meaningless chat forum for bored guys to past the time. i didnt choose my girl, she got stuck with me because we had our first kid and i got lucky because she is one of the best mothers i have ever seen. as for my situation i am a self funded retiree at the age of 42. i have multiple rental properties in nz and a business in thailand. what made you think i am strapped for cash? my kid goes to the most expensive school i could find, i drive a brand new pickup that i own outright. i have 2 new condos in pattaya. strapped for cash?

[212Roger]

Thais' do not want to leave their Kingdom; they do not want to leave their family, friends, social life, favorite food, nor go where it's cold. This is how they differ from a Filipina. A girl from PI wants to get the hell out of Dodge, by any means necessary. I know, I have both a Filipino son AND a Thai son... Lastly, to make a marriage succeed with a Filipina, bring her AND her family to your country; to make a marriage succeed with a Thai, move to Thailand AND help support her family.

[williamgeorgeallen]

Thais' do not want to leave their Kingdom; they do not want to leave their family, friends, social life, favorite food, nor go where it's cold. This is how they differ from a Filipina. A girl from PI wants to get the hell out of Dodge, by any means necessary. I know, I have both a Filipino son AND a Thai son... Lastly, to make a marriage succeed with a Filipina, bring her AND her family to your country; to make a marriage succeed with a Thai, move to Thailand AND help support her family.

interesting. i have seen a few guys move onto philipa girls after they get sick of thai girls but never the other way around. do you think you can have a more westernised relationship with a philipa girl or is it similar to being with a thai?

see all these guys struggling to get their thai girls back to their western countries. dont think half of them would bother if they knew how miserable the girls will be. hope my girl can handle it when we relocate to nz so our kids can go to high school there.

[jacko45k]

Yes they really are that shallow, as you appear to be.

[puukao]

I have dated a few Americans......

1. they seem all fat

2. dumb, lazy

3. love the iphone and instragram and twitter, etc....

4. love USA

5. they like entertainment...

Oh wait, I forgot........I cannot speak English so I cannot speak to the women smart enough to engage in a thoughtful conversation with myself. I met all my girls while I was out drinking. I like to judge an entire culture from a commercial.

All these people like movies..they are soo dumb!!!! hold on, email from Netflix!!!! gotta go....

blah blah blah

[gemguy]

Very simple

Just be a playboy as long as you want to be and do not get to close to any of them.

In about 20 years and after you have learned to speak Thai very well.... ..then, maybe you will be able to learn to identify and separate the ones that have all the same common, boring and highly irritating and very frustrating Thai female idiosyncrasies.......that most often destroy a relationship.

If you stay around you will learn but meantime ....enjoy, enjoy, enjoy....lol

Cheers

[Kenny202]

Thais' do not want to leave their Kingdom; they do not want to leave their family, friends, social life, favorite food, nor go where it's cold. This is how they differ from a Filipina. A girl from PI wants to get the hell out of Dodge, by any means necessary. I know, I have both a Filipino son AND a Thai son... Lastly, to make a marriage succeed with a Filipina, bring her AND her family to your country; to make a marriage succeed with a Thai, move to Thailand AND help support her family.

interesting. i have seen a few guys move onto philipa girls after they get sick of thai girls but never the other way around. do you think you can have a more westernised relationship with a philipa girl or is it similar to being with a thai?

see all these guys struggling to get their thai girls back to their western countries. dont think half of them would bother if they knew how miserable the girls will be. hope my girl can handle it when we relocate to nz so our kids can go to high school there.

Interesting to hear someone else say Thai girls have trouble settling in a farang country. Bit of a myth that Thai girls will do anything to live in another country. Well they think they want to live in "Disneyland" but the reallity is very different. I did everything for mine. Asian markets every other day to find her food. Streaming her Thai TV etc. They just miss being with their own kind and unfortunately largely "their own kind" in Australia constitutes many ex working girls. Not all bad but more than 50% of the ones I met wanted to ditch the guy they were with and "try other farang". A lot of them fall into drinking and gambling. My mate lost what seemed like a really good girl to her friends and the casino. She turned into a monster. He was a good looking young guy, with a good future and they had a child together. Had another mate same situation. Everyone envied him. Perfect lady. After 3 years living together in Australia she went back to Thailand to see her folks for 3 wks holiday. Another Mate spotted her working in a bar so she could give her family some money. A lot of talk of trying to find work in the massage / entertainment industry and how much they could make and send home. Hate to generallise but that was my experience. Seems to be with a lot of the girls they'd extract as much as they could out of their farang...paying off her debts etc until he started to wake up and regulate the money and that was the time to start looking for greener pastures. The girls who seemed to do best in Australia were the loners who liked their own company. Lot of good girls and better class girls too but they didn't seem to want to mix with my girl (She's dark). Was sad. Shed see another Thai girl at the market or something and her face would light up and often the woman would just stick her nose in the air and snub her. Many, by the look of the tattoos etc were in no position to be claiming superiority over another. Seems to be the first thing a Thai woman with a farang husband does when meeting another Thai woman is judge if the other lady is above or below her. Usually based on designer accessories or gold.

[gemguy]

Thais' do not want to leave their Kingdom; they do not want to leave their family, friends, social life, favorite food, nor go where it's cold. This is how they differ from a Filipina. A girl from PI wants to get the hell out of Dodge, by any means necessary. I know, I have both a Filipino son AND a Thai son... Lastly, to make a marriage succeed with a Filipina, bring her AND her family to your country; to make a marriage succeed with a Thai, move to Thailand AND help support her family.

interesting. i have seen a few guys move onto philipa girls after they get sick of thai girls but never the other way around. do you think you can have a more westernised relationship with a philipa girl or is it similar to being with a thai?

see all these guys struggling to get their thai girls back to their western countries. dont think half of them would bother if they knew how miserable the girls will be. hope my girl can handle it when we relocate to nz so our kids can go to high school there.

Interesting to hear someone else say Thai girls have trouble settling in a farang country. Bit of a myth that Thai girls will do anything to live in another country. Well they think they want to live in "Disneyland" but the reallity is very different. I did everything for mine. Asian markets every other day to find her food. Streaming her Thai TV etc. They just miss being with their own kind and unfortunately largely "their own kind" in Australia constitutes many ex working girls. Not all bad but more than 50% of the ones I met wanted to ditch the guy they were with and "try other farang". A lot of them fall into drinking and gambling. My mate lost what seemed like a really good girl to her friends and the casino. She turned into a monster. He was a good looking young guy, with a good future and they had a child together. Had another mate same situation. Everyone envied him. Perfect lady. After 3 years living together in Australia she went back to Thailand to see her folks for 3 wks holiday. Another Mate spotted her working in a bar so she could give her family some money. A lot of talk of trying to find work in the massage / entertainment industry and how much they could make and send home. Hate to generallise but that was my experience. Seems to be with a lot of the girls they'd extract as much as they could out of their farang...paying off her debts etc until he started to wake up and regulate the money and that was the time to start looking for greener pastures. The girls who seemed to do best in Australia were the loners who liked their own company. Lot of good girls and better class girls too but they didn't seem to want to mix with my girl (She's dark). Was sad. Shed see another Thai girl at the market or something and her face would light up and often the woman would just stick her nose in the air and snub her. Many, by the look of the tattoos etc were in no position to be claiming superiority over another. Seems to be the first thing a Thai woman with a farang husband does when meeting another Thai woman is judge if the other lady is above or below her. Usually based on designer accessories or gold.

The truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth ..so help you God.

Those reasons and many more reasons are why a man should be very cautions about marrying a Thai women and trying to make a go of it.

The truth of the matter is, there is too much chance of the marriage failing as all too often when you step back and analyze the situation the marriage is more or less all about her and her needs and "her everything" rather than a mutually understanding and reciprocal relationship.

Even with the Thai women that are considered the good girls and upper class girls you have too much chance of struggling to make her happy while you come to realize catering to her happiness and her needs and her wants and her desires and her demands is a full time task and it is nearly impossible to satisfy what is needed to make her happy.

Many men here will tell us that they have a loving and mutually respectable and reciprocal relationship with their Thai wife and I do not doubt it as there are plenty of great Thai women that would make for a excellent life partner.....but it seems that those relationships are far less so than the majority of marriage relations between Foreigners ( mainly Caucasian Men ) and Thai women.

We also know that a significant percent of the marriages occur between Foreigners and Thai women that were prostitutes in some way or another at one time.

Naturally, such relationships have much more chance of failure and proven as such but of no surprise because if a foreigner married a prostitute from any country it is not rocket science to assume the relationship is going to struggle to run smoothly and mutually and reciprocally. ....some yes...mainly no.....

So, lets say that none of the Thai women that married foreigners were prostitutes while many, many marriages between Foreigners and Thai women are not based on meeting the women under sex for sale circumstance and a relationship growing from such circumstance, we still see that the relationships with Thai women are commonly too tumultuous in a number of ways that are difficult for the man to deal with....and the list is long.

You could also argue that many of the failed marriages have a lot to do with the man himself and how he conducts himself in a marriage that could work and not without its common struggles that all marriages have but the man could be rightly blamed for making matters far worse with his bad attitude and small minded mentality and bad and questionable conduct that certainly would not help matters in any relationship with any woman.....while even an Angel would not be able to tolerate such a man.

Basically, while taking in a good number of consideration concerning Thai women you come to learn that Thai women have a LOT of Idiosyncrasies that make it difficult to live with and especially on a daily basis in a marriage relationship that is close and up front and very personal.

In my experiences with Thai women over 25 years I came to realize that they expect you to except them the way that they are and naturally that would include all their silly and highly irritating idiosyncrasies and character faults....while it is very difficult to try to explain to them or teach them or work with them in an effort to lessen the impact of their conduct and actions by pointing out or discussing their many irritating and often disturbing idiosyncrasies.

I came to learn that most of them think they can do no wrong and they are all little Angels and they do not understand constructive criticism at all rather just see it as you criticizing them and complaining about them and you the foreigner criticizing them and in effect, anything you say is an assault on all things Thai and Thai people.....to their way of small minded thinking....and another one of their many irritating idiosyncrasies.

You come to learn that they have a lot of them and many of the idiosyncrasies are peculiar Thai women idiosyncrasies in particular which are piled on top of the usual female idiosyncrasies that men have to learn to live with and or tolerate in any male verses female cohabitation....

All too often that is what the relationship eventually evolves into or degenerates into .....A Thai woman mentality verses a Foreigner man mentally and all the animosity that already exists between Male thinking and Male mentality verses Female thinking and Female mentality and then magnified to a dramatic extent by a Thai female that is so set in her Thai ways and her Thai attitude and her Thai mentality that the whole affair is going to be an up hill struggle and a daily ongoing drama that is doomed to fail as both people grow to Loathe one another to a varying extent.

So...be very careful about the Thai women you decide to marry because you will come to learn they are not so easy to cohabitate with and all too often down right difficult and near impossible while all too often they are not at all like you believed the world renown Thai women are said to be that you often hear about .....while commonly persuading many men to eagerly marry with....and then find out the hard way they are not what they are believed to be....rather ...kind of creepy.

Cheers

[DrTuner]

If I was a Thai woman I'd be studying my ass off in order to get the hell out of here and land a prime farang in a far away farangland.

Yeah because people get educated so they can become financially-dependent and specifically look outside their own culture for a mate.

For a Thai woman that's basically a no-brainer. Unless you're born into a Hi-So family, the Sakdina will keep you in place. Easy solution is to step outside and once you're outside, the fastest track up is up the thigh.

Now, to the topic, if you just want to pork around, mongers have known for as long as human kind has existed that it's the simplest solution to pay for the services, stick to the hookers until, if ever, you are ready to enter a beneficial co-dependence with a female. The usual is to play the field until you're mid 30's and then tie the knot. Good old and proven traditional recipe, no need to bother the "good girls" with playboy antics.

[gemguy]

If I was a Thai woman I'd be studying my ass off in order to get the hell out of here and land a prime farang in a far away farangland.

Yeah because people get educated so they can become financially-dependent and specifically look outside their own culture for a mate.

For a Thai woman that's basically a no-brainer. Unless you're born into a Hi-So family, the Sakdina will keep you in place. Easy solution is to step outside and once you're outside, the fastest track up is up the thigh.

Now, to the topic, if you just want to pork around, mongers have known for as long as human kind has existed that it's the simplest solution to pay for the services, stick to the hookers until, if ever, you are ready to enter a beneficial co-dependence with a female. The usual is to play the field until you're mid 30's and then tie the knot. Good old and proven traditional recipe, no need to bother the "good girls" with playboy antics.

Hear, Hear...I concur.

Back in the day I also came to that very important conclusion: Good old and proven traditional recipe, no need to bother the "good girls" with playboy antics.

If you really have no intentions to make a relationship with a good girl while really just wanting to bed her and then move on and or politely fade away then I agree...

It is better to do the bar girls and the sex for money girls and keep it simple and do not get too involved.

Many times I started to develop a relationships with a good girl ( not at all difficult to do for any man here in Thailand ) and I could have done the deed with the girl easily enough but I decided that I actually had a conscience that told me there is no need to be doing this when my intentions were based on finally bedding the girl while I had no intentions to maintain or further develop the relationship and cause possible heart break or create a whole lot of disappointment and maybe anger.

So I just stuck to the bar girls and occasionally a good girl that actually just wanted to have sex and no strings attached...but even then......if they really like you then it grows awkward and conflicting and eventually you find yourself lying and avoiding the girl and lot of other emotional stuff that could have been avoided had you just satisfied your libido and lust with the service girls.

I met lots of guys that bragged about how they do not have sex with the bar girls and how they go to where they can meet good girls, such as clubs and discos and the latest popular places and or learn to speak Thai and meet Uni. girls and or any of the average good girls that can be wooed and charmed into having a date with them and then eventually get them in their bed and have sex with them....and commonly never see them again

I told them ...yea, yea.......I know all about that also but I really do not feel right about Fxxx and Forget conduct with good girls while many of the girls from the clubs etc. would not necessarily go with you if not for being drunk.

Up to them and up to me also...but that is the way I saw it back then while I did have several non bar girls that I considered to be my Girlfriends and even lived with a few of them...until the usual Thai Women, irritating idiosyncrasies began to get in the way of a relationship that could have and or should have been drama free but was evolving into a ongoing drama movie, week by week and then day by day ...so time to go our separate ways.... thanks....making me realize all the more that it is better in some respects to satisfy your sexual desires with the bars girls and make yourself happy and do not emotionally damage a good girl....because they are really easy to emotionally damage concerning matters of the heart.

Many may disagree but unless you are going to stay with one girl and make a go of it and or marry her then the Mr. Playboy thing with good girls is just as questionable in many ways as the Playboy thing with bar girls.

Cheers