For Trump and Brexit voters, echoes of the same frustrations

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For Trump and Brexit voters, echoes of the same frustrations
By JONATHAN LEMIRE and JILL COLVIN

MAYBOLE, Scotland (AP) — At the heart of the campaign that led Britain to vote to leave the European Union was a desire to regain independence lost amid a globalized world. It's the same kind of feeling that Donald Trump rode to become the presumptive Republican nominee in the U.S., where he campaigns to put "America first" and "make America great again."

"I love to see people take their country back. And that's really what's happening in the United States," Trump told reporters this weekend during a visit to his golf resort in western Scotland.

The anxiety that drove the stunning "Brexit" decision has been brewing for at least a decade in the United Kingdom, as waves of immigrants from Southern and Eastern Europe arrived as the global economy plunged into recession. In the years since, right-leaning leaders have stoked populist concerns about their impact on wages, as well as fears about the loss of ethnic identity, which runs deep in parts of largely white rural England and Wales.

"There's a real feeling things have changed and they've changed too fast," said Muriel MacGregor, filling up her car at a BP station on her way to work as a clerk at a hotel in Aberdeen, Scotland.

MacGregor, 52, said that, unlike many of her friends, she proudly voted for "leave." ''This isn't the country I remember from growing up. I don't know exactly what happens next. I don't think anybody does. But I really feel like we needed something different, because this isn't working," she said.

Britain's vote shattered the stability of continental unity forged after World War II and sent markets across the globe tumbling.

Presumed Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton said on Sunday the vote was a sobering reminder that "what happens around the world has consequences that can hit come quickly."

"Our priority now must be to protect American families and businesses from the negative effects of this kind of tumult and uncertainty," Clinton said at the annual gathering of the U.S. Conference of Mayors in Indianapolis.

She also took a thinly veiled dig at Trump saying "steady experienced leadership" is what the U.S. needs to avoid the kinds of troubles Britain now faces.

"We need leaders ... who understand how to work with other leaders to manage risks, who understand that bombastic comments in turbulent times can actually cause more turbulence and who put the interest of the American people ahead of their personal business interests," Clinton said.

But the move to divorce the U.K. from the 28-nation bloc and its government in Brussels was celebrated by those who felt the changing country has lost its way since linking up with the rest of Europe. Their voices echo the millions of American voters who have flocked to support Trump. The billionaire businessman has tapped into the same concerns about a too-quickly-changing country that has left too many behind, and he's pledged to halt illegal immigration and bring back manufacturing jobs lost to factories overseas.

Many see his "Make America Great Again" slogan as a vow to return the country to a time when they believe America was the undisputed world leader. In President Barack Obama, they see an American leader too quick to apologize for his country.

"I want us to take America back," Shirley Sharpe, a Trump supporter from Greensboro, North Carolina, said this month. Sharpe, 61, who works as a caregiver to her elderly father-in-law, said that she's been dismayed by the country's direction under Obama.

"We have all been just wiping up the dirt. And it's like - we need to take our country back for us," she said. "We've got to take care of ourselves before we take care of immigrants or somebody else."

For Chad Benson of Dallas, Georgia, it's time for America to reassert its greatness.

"I think what separates Donald Trump from the other candidates is this: He is pro-American," said Benson, 40, who works in the power industry. "He's proud to be an American. He wants Americans to be proud to be Americans again."

Benson complained that Obama "seems to put other countries before the American people."

Of particular resonance in the U.S. has been Trump's approach to immigration. Voters across the country frequently cite Trump's plan to build a wall along the U.S. border with Mexico and his pledged to deport all of the estimated 11 million people living in the country illegally as the reasons why they were first drawn to the candidate.

For Jose Portillo, 55, of Los Lunas, New Mexico, Trump's immigration plan is central to his appeal. A union member who works in the freight business, Portillo was a lifelong Democrat until he changed his registration this year to vote for Trump. He said he's fed up with people who are in the country illegally, and argues that they take advantage of the system as he works hard to play by the rules.

"There's too many deadbeats living off the system," said Portillo, who works an overnight shift. "I wish I could start building a broom with steel bristles so he could start cleaning house."

Lanhee Chen, who served as a policy adviser to 2012 GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney, said there were undeniable similarities between the sentiments in both countries, including deep concerns about the impact of foreign workers. But he cautioned that key differences remain.

"The U.K. election was ultimately a referendum on policy and on that sentiment," he said. The U.S. election is a personality contest right now."

For Trump, however, the parallels are clear.

"People want to take their country back," he said. "They want to have independence in a sense. And you see it with Europe, all over Europe, you're going to have more than just, in my opinion, more than just what happened last night."

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Colvin reported from New York, North Carolina, New Mexico and Georgia. Associated Press videojournalist Mstislav Chernov in London and writer Brian Slodysko in Indianapolis contributed to this report.

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-- (c) Associated Press 2016-06-27

[Pinot]

Donald Trump isn't a serious candidate for President. He's a Republican candidate for President. He's a thinned skinned racist bully running a dumpster fire of a campaign.

The Democrats will be taking back the country from any involvement by the wingnuts come November, Presidency, Congress and Supreme Court. Thank you Cheeto Jesus.

[LPCustom69]

Donald Trump isn't a serious candidate for President. He's a Republican candidate for President. He's a thinned skinned racist bully running a dumpster fire of a campaign.

The Democrats will be taking back the country from any involvement by the wingnuts come November, Presidency, Congress and Supreme Court. Thank you Cheeto Jesus.

I love hearing comments from socialists from other countries!

[Rancid]

There are people that make their own decisions, they prefer to control their own life, dislike enforced authority, they reject organized religion as the are capable of forming their own objective beliefs, they don't want handouts, they want freedom of choice.

Then there are those that want to be told what to do, what to believe in, and actually believe the media, they love the security of the Nanny State. That is their mindset and it is unlikely to ever change, in reality they are the modern version of serfs serving their lords and masters.

That is just the way it is, and I suppose as the world seems a tougher place to survive as the elites rape the world economies then more will swing in that direction. However it isn't the path to enlightenment, it is the path to subjugation of the soul.

[MaxYakov]

Quote: Rancid:

There are people that make their own decisions, they prefer to control their own life, dislike enforced authority, they reject organized religion as the are capable of forming their own objective beliefs, they don't want handouts, they want freedom of choice.

Then there are those that want to be told what to do, what to believe in, and actually believe the media, they love the security of the Nanny State. That is their mindset and it is unlikely to ever change, in reality they are the modern version of serfs serving their lords and masters.

That is just the way it is, and I suppose as the world seems a tougher place to survive as the elites rape the world economies then more will swing in that direction. However it isn't the path to enlightenment, it is the path to subjugation of the soul.

I'm not nearly as worried about the subjugation of my soul as I am the subjugation of everything else of mine. Edited June 27, 2016 by MaxYakov

[elgordo38]

Two weeks ago Trump didn't have a clue as to what Brexit was. Fast forward to today hey he is an expert. Go figure

[MaxYakov]

Two weeks ago Trump didn't have a clue as to what Brexit was. Fast forward to today hey he is an expert. Go figure

I already have: Underestimating the capabilities of Homo sapiens could be hazardous to your health.

Edited June 27, 2016 by MaxYakov

[grumpyoldman]

Two weeks ago Trump didn't have a clue as to what Brexit was. Fast forward to today hey he is an expert. Go figure

I already have: Underestimating the capabilities of Homo sapiens could be hazardous to your health.

Trump was talking arming Japan and Korea with nukes, nuclear proliferation treaties........"huh, what are those(?)" guy is clueless on many topics but adept when it comes to fraud.

[Pimay1]

Two weeks ago Trump didn't have a clue as to what Brexit was. Fast forward to today hey he is an expert. Go figure

I already have: Underestimating the capabilities of Homo sapiens could be hazardous to your health.

Trump was talking arming Japan and Korea with nukes, nuclear proliferation treaties........"huh, what are those(?)" guy is clueless on many topics but adept when it comes to fraud.

Trump was talking arming Japan and Korea with nukes

Please post a link to that.

[Buzzz]

Two weeks ago Trump didn't have a clue as to what Brexit was. Fast forward to today hey he is an expert. Go figure

I already have: Underestimating the capabilities of Homo sapiens could be hazardous to your health.

Trump was talking arming Japan and Korea with nukes, nuclear proliferation treaties........"huh, what are those(?)" guy is clueless on many topics but adept when it comes to fraud.

The guy really is clueless.

He is also going to get the Supreme Court to investigate Hillary.

yep. That's what he said.

[Boon Mee]

Two weeks ago Trump didn't have a clue as to what Brexit was. Fast forward to today hey he is an expert. Go figure

I already have: Underestimating the capabilities of Homo sapiens could be hazardous to your health.

Trump was talking arming Japan and Korea with nukes, nuclear proliferation treaties........"huh, what are those(?)" guy is clueless on many topics but adept when it comes to fraud.

Trump was talking arming Japan and Korea with nukes

Please post a link to that.

They can't

Just disinformation again. Getting their talking points from those far left screed sheets ....

[mike324]

Two weeks ago Trump didn't have a clue as to what Brexit was. Fast forward to today hey he is an expert. Go figure

I already have: Underestimating the capabilities of Homo sapiens could be hazardous to your health.

Trump was talking arming Japan and Korea with nukes, nuclear proliferation treaties........"huh, what are those(?)" guy is clueless on many topics but adept when it comes to fraud.

The guy is a nut case .... if he is ever elected president can't wait to see the problems American will face if he goes ahead with what he says instead of his advisers....

[Buzzz]

Two weeks ago Trump didn't have a clue as to what Brexit was. Fast forward to today hey he is an expert. Go figure

I already have: Underestimating the capabilities of Homo sapiens could be hazardous to your health.

Trump was talking arming Japan and Korea with nukes, nuclear proliferation treaties........"huh, what are those(?)" guy is clueless on many topics but adept when it comes to fraud.

The guy is a nut case .... if he is ever elected president can't wait to see the problems American will face if he goes ahead with what he says instead of his advisers....

Some military generals have already said they probably won't follow his wacky orders.

[Pimay1]

Crow meat will be going for a premium after the November election.

[mike324]

Trump was talking arming Japan and Korea with nukes, nuclear proliferation treaties........"huh, what are those(?)" guy is clueless on many topics but adept when it comes to fraud.

Trump was talking arming Japan and Korea with nukes

Please post a link to that.

They can't

Just disinformation again. Getting their talking points from those far left screed sheets ....

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jun/02/donald-trump/donald-trump-wrong-accusing-hillary-clinton-lying-/

http://www.vox.com/2016/3/31/11339040/trump-nukes-japan-south-korea

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-japan-nukes-2016-6

Although he did not specifically say "arm japan with nukes" but he is open to the idea ...since everyone has them..pakistan...china...

[MaxYakov]

elgordo28, on 27 Jun 2016 - 11:16, said:

Two weeks ago Trump didn't have a clue as to what Brexit was. Fast forward to today hey he is an expert. Go figure.

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I already have: Underestimating the capabilities of Homo sapiens could be hazardous to your health.

Trump was talking arming Japan and Korea with nukes, nuclear proliferation treaties........"huh, what are those(?)" guy is clueless on many topics but adept when it comes to fraud.

The guy is a nut case .... if he is ever elected president can't wait to see the problems American will face if he goes ahead with what he says instead of his advisers....

Some military generals have already said they probably won't follow his wacky orders.

Links/sources, please.

I prefer to hear your assertion directly from currently active US military generals.

I have this:

Former CIA director: Military may refuse to follow Trump’s orders if he becomes president - WP - 2 Feb 2016

In any event, it is their right and duty to disobey an unlawful order, isn't it?

It's better than obeying unlawful orders as is occurring under Obama administration, I would say.

[Srikcir]

UK had Brexit.

Truxit will be Donald's exit from Presidential politics after November.

[ggt]

That same group of people who are crying for a re-vote on the Brits leaving the EU...this same bunch in the US will be crying in their soup and asking for a re-vote...maybe even a revolt...after the Nov. elections...

You coin conservatives as hateful...yet all the hateful rhetoric comes from your camp...own it!

[Buzzz]

That same group of people who are crying for a re-vote on the Brits leaving the EU...this same bunch in the US will be crying in their soup and asking for a re-vote...maybe even a revolt...after the Nov. elections...

You coin conservatives as hateful...yet all the hateful rhetoric comes from your camp...own it!

Hey. All republicans are not hateful but, if you are a bigot, redneck, racist, the republican party is the place to be. No?