‘No Article 50 for now’: Britain in no rush towards Brexit door

[SheungWan]

One possible way out of this mess is for the next PM to call a General Election. There would certainly be 1 or more parties fighting to be elected on a non Brexit ticket which would give the hitherto misinformed British public the chance to change their fickle minds!

Good luck with that one.

[Srikcir]

I wonder what the real timeline is for UK's finalized Exit? More than 2 years?

Must be new elections as the PM stepped down and unelected shadow government formed .... 5 months?

Then

- a new PM ... 1 month?

- Article 50 must be approved by the Parliament .... 1-6 months?

- PM must formally invoke Article 50 before any negotiations can take place with the EU .... 1-2 months

- negotiations between EU and UK occur ... 12-24 months?

- EU must approve the exit terms .... 4-6 months?

Meanwhile until UK exits, does UK remain in the EU and subject to the rules and regulations of the EU?

Unlikely to be a short-term financial uncertainty for the UK. I doubt UK businesses dependent on EU will wait until exit is finalized. Their exit from UK may be within a year. And if the UK must remain in the EU until formal exit, isn't it unable to negotiate separate trade agreements with EU countries?

[SgtRock]

Juncker.

Juncker says he has told European commission officials that that cannot start Brexit negotiation talks with the British until Britain formally commences the withdrawal process (by invoking article 50 of the Lisbon treaty).

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/28/brexit-live-cameron-eu-leaders-brussels-corbyn-confidence

[dexterm]

Geoffery Robertson QC says it isn't all done and dusted yet. It would need a new bill and a vote of parliament to trigger Brexit.

Although I cannot see MPs defying their constituents but who knows?

Interesting article from this constitutional lawyer at

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-loophole-eu-referendum-mps-law-legal-legislation-constitution-a7105181.html

Edited June 28, 2016 by dexterm

[ukrules]

An interesting take on article 50.

http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/people-are-really-really-hoping-this-theory-about-david-cameron-and-brexit-is-true--bJhqBql0VZ

Whilst there is more than an element of truth to the article.

It fails to address that that Article 50 cannot be invoked until the referendum result is debated in parliament, voted on and passed as agreed in line with the referendum result.

Only then can Article 50 be invoked.

The clowns in the European Parliament don't seem to realise that this was an advisory referendum.

The government could ignore it if they want to and there's very little that anyone could do about it.

Also the government is now changing, there will be a very different government in power in a couple of months time to the one which is currently in limbo.

This new government doesn't have to react in any way to the previous governments advisory referendum.

It also has nothing to do with the EU so their calls for quick 'Article 50' activation are mere distractions. They would do well to shut up as the British MP's will do what suits them and they will do it when it suits them.

[SgtRock]

An interesting take on article 50.

http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/people-are-really-really-hoping-this-theory-about-david-cameron-and-brexit-is-true--bJhqBql0VZ

Whilst there is more than an element of truth to the article.

It fails to address that that Article 50 cannot be invoked until the referendum result is debated in parliament, voted on and passed as agreed in line with the referendum result.

Only then can Article 50 be invoked.

The clowns in the European Parliament don't seem to realise that this was an advisory referendum.

The government could ignore it if they want to and there's very little that anyone could do about it.

Also the government is now changing, there will be a very different government in power in a couple of months time to the one which is currently in limbo.

This new government doesn't have to react in any way to the previous governments advisory referendum.

It also has nothing to do with the EU so their calls for quick 'Article 50' activation are mere distractions. They would do well to shut up as the British MP's will do what suits them and they will do it when it suits them.

Yes.

I fully agree.

[happy Joe]

An interesting take on article 50.

http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/people-are-really-really-hoping-this-theory-about-david-cameron-and-brexit-is-true--bJhqBql0VZ

Whilst there is more than an element of truth to the article.

It fails to address that that Article 50 cannot be invoked until the referendum result is debated in parliament, voted on and passed as agreed in line with the referendum result.

Only then can Article 50 be invoked.

Read the Article linked by Bung.

It gives a very good and probably true indication as to why he did not convene Parliament immediately.

Your conjecture is not fact.

I just read it and for me it is the expression of truth.

[ilostmypassword]

An interesting take on article 50.

http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/people-are-really-really-hoping-this-theory-about-david-cameron-and-brexit-is-true--bJhqBql0VZ

Whilst there is more than an element of truth to the article.

It fails to address that that Article 50 cannot be invoked until the referendum result is debated in parliament, voted on and passed as agreed in line with the referendum result.

Only then can Article 50 be invoked.

The clowns in the European Parliament don't seem to realise that this was an advisory referendum.

The government could ignore it if they want to and there's very little that anyone could do about it.

Also the government is now changing, there will be a very different government in power in a couple of months time to the one which is currently in limbo.

This new government doesn't have to react in any way to the previous governments advisory referendum.

It also has nothing to do with the EU so their calls for quick 'Article 50' activation are mere distractions. They would do well to shut up as the British MP's will do what suits them and they will do it when it suits them.

I know what you mean, The EU's action is so clearly unprovoked. All the Conservative leadership did was create a referendum in which the majority of the British electorate told the EU to bugger off. And now they're not just passively waiting for the UK to do something. Those Europeans are so unreasonable. You'd almost think that the leaders who so enthusiastically supported Brexit and now plan to move ever so slowly wished it had been defeated.

[SheungWan]

So the tenors of leave, especially Boris Johnson and Nigel Farrage did not prepared the transition in case of success ???

So they oblige every entrepreneur to wait for their good-will to know the new rules governing trade.

And therefore the machine is locked in the UK. Do not be surprised friends if the pound continues to fall.

At this level of responsibility, that kind of amateurism is totally outrageous.

You may not have noticed but Nigel Farage was not involved with the Brexit campaign officially nor is he a member of the UK parliament.

As such he is just the same as a private citizen in the UK.

OTOH Boris Johnson, Gove and the other MPs CAN do something about it but they are the members of the Tory party and they have to think hard about their own future, the party future an if they can remember, also about the future of the UK and ALL its people.

Though the people aren't worth caring about as they ignorantly voted the wrong way on the referendum.

Oiks and peasants, all of them.

the drivel some people come out with or rather parrot from some silly website is a sight to behold. Pushing poor old Nigel into the long grass like some airbrushed picture from the family album. Just a private citizen. Well fancy that!

[bkkcanuck8]

Geoffery Robertson QC says it isn't all done and dusted yet. It would need a new bill and a vote of parliament to trigger Brexit.

Although I cannot see MPs defying their constituents but who knows?

Interesting article from this constitutional lawyer at

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-loophole-eu-referendum-mps-law-legal-legislation-constitution-a7105181.html

Article 50 is not a UK law, it is part of the EU constitution not the UK constitution, and it does not actually specify what is considered notification - and if there were a conflict about what is considered notification.... it would be an EU court that would decide.

Notification is not a legal term for passing the local legislation - it very simply means that they have been notified through official channels - and just a letter from the UK would suffice.

What needs UK legislature passage is the change in UK laws that bind it to the EU rulings etc. You could get a situation where the UK is still bound to follow the EU constitution, but because the EU was notified -- the UK is not actually a member of the EU. It is exactly the same reason why the Scottish parliament cannot veto it. They can only block the changes to the Scottish laws that bind it to the EU.

So yes, the UK can officially notify the EU -- without having to pass a bill... but the UK needs to pass bills to change it's own laws that bind it to the UK.

[Scott]

Baiting post removed.

[mommysboy]

Geoffery Robertson QC says it isn't all done and dusted yet. It would need a new bill and a vote of parliament to trigger Brexit.

Although I cannot see MPs defying their constituents but who knows?

Interesting article from this constitutional lawyer at

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-loophole-eu-referendum-mps-law-legal-legislation-constitution-a7105181.html

Article 50 is not a UK law, it is part of the EU constitution not the UK constitution, and it does not actually specify what is considered notification - and if there were a conflict about what is considered notification.... it would be an EU court that would decide.

Notification is not a legal term for passing the local legislation - it very simply means that they have been notified through official channels - and just a letter from the UK would suffice.

What needs UK legislature passage is the change in UK laws that bind it to the EU rulings etc. You could get a situation where the UK is still bound to follow the EU constitution, but because the EU was notified -- the UK is not actually a member of the EU. It is exactly the same reason why the Scottish parliament cannot veto it. They can only block the changes to the Scottish laws that bind it to the EU.

So yes, the UK can officially notify the EU -- without having to pass a bill... but the UK needs to pass bills to change it's own laws that bind it to the UK.

Like the general gist of the posting. Have you over complicated it? I read through it but you seem to have created a lot of twists and turns.

The key is the enactment or not of Article 50. I still can't find out who are the people that can enact it, and whether Parliament has to give approval first.

Everything else means nothing I agree.

Edited June 28, 2016 by mommysboy