Obama: Trump ‘woefully unfit’ to be President

[Boon Mee]

11 hours ago, Jingthing said:

B.S.
I accept that he won and realize what a tragedy that is. We must resist all we can even if that means only winning crumbs.

Not many crumbs to be had JT unless they are at the Municipal level...

[lannarebirth]

Just now, Jingthing said:

Any old change will do? It doesn't matter exactly what that change is? Wow! Bizarreness world ... 

 

No, not any change. the change that is required is to unify a nation whose inhabitants share vastly different experiences of what living in America offers. If Trump can't put a dent in that someone else better or we're not anywhere near how bad things could get. 

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

Not many crumbs to be had JT unless they are at the Municipal level...

I agree it will  mostly be defensive. Filibusters for example, and when the dictator pressures the senate to kill the filibuster right, outside methods that are hopefully peaceful, because violence won't help. 

[Morch]

O'Brien: What are your feelings towards Big Brother?
Winston Smith: I hate him.
O'Brien: You must love him. It is not enough to obey him. You must love him.

 

A bit over the top, for sure. But seems to capture the sentiment of some supporters. Mind, it would probably be just as applicable if HRC had won the elections.

[ClutchClark]

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Any old change will do? It doesn't matter exactly what that change is? Wow! Bizarreness world ... 

 

That is a good word of warning JT.

 

Afer all, its how we got stuck with where we are today--falling for obama's promise of change without first asking what type of change.

 

 

[maewang99]

crying babies..... the real ones? ****not**** just annoying.  depressing.

 

how can anyone over the age of 50 look at anyone under the age of 30 or 40, let alone a baby.... and ignore something as simple as the 10 to 40 year lag between emissions and it's full on effect... and what that implies? and how it is that it is?

p.s. people who can read.


 

Edited November 12, 2016 by maewang99

[JetsetBkk]

14 hours ago, ClutchClark said:

JT,

 

Actually being elected President IS a "mandate" by its very definition. 

 

 

Aw, c'mon! You gotta give the Dems something!

 

They lost the presidency, the Senate and the House! 

 

That 0.66% of the popular vote is all they've got to cling on to.

 

[heybruce]

14 hours ago, beechguy said:

As a matter of fact I'm 62, and spent a lot of years observing our military and State Department in action. I voted for Trump, as he is the lesser of two evils regardless of your opinion, and Hillary already has proven she was incompetent, you are the one trying to make the case for a clueless, unqualified, flawed candidate. He won, so get over it.

 

"Hillary already has proven she was incompetent"

 

HRC has made mistakes, but she was the only qualified candidate.  Trump's only qualifications are as a self-promoting conman.  He will abandon allies, make Russia great again, turn southeast Asian countries into colonies of China and allow the spread of nuclear weapons that will eventually fall into the hands of terrorists and be used in the US, probably New York, maybe Trump tower.  However the Trump family, which has no qualms about crony capitalism, will profit enormously.

 

I know he won, I accept it but I don't like it.  He needs to be watched closely and restrained as much as the constitution allows.  The future of the county requires it.

[Skywalker69]

9 hours ago, MajarTheLion said:

 

Wow, you really got him this time. He can forget winning the election. Oh wait a minute...

[heybruce]

14 hours ago, heybruce said:

 

Um, you credit Clinton with blowing up the USS Cole and other places?  Please explain.

 

If crediting presidents with the bad things that happen on their watch is part of your thinking, then Ronald Reagan was responsible for the Beirut barracks bombing (and the validation of suicide bombing that he gave with his response) and George W. Bush was responsible for the 9-11 attacks. 

 

Why did you vote Republican?

 

14 hours ago, beechguy said:

I vote for who I think is qualified and will do the job. As I said earlier, I am dissatisfied with members in both parties.

It's not that the Clintons caused the damage, it is the poor reaction to the situations they faced, while it happened on their watch. Even Democrats have said Hillary has displayed poor skills in judgement and decision making.

 

I don't know what poor reactions you are referring to; when Bill Clinton was president was a time of peace, prosperity and fiscally responsible government.  I'm curious why you, or anyone else, think Trump is qualified to be President. 

 

In a choice between a flawed but qualified candidate and a completely unqualified candidate, a large minority of the voters chose the completely unqualified choice.  That was a dangerous choice.

[ClutchClark]

2 minutes ago, heybruce said:

 

 

I don't know what poor reactions you are referring to; when Bill Clinton was president was a time of peace, prosperity and fiscally responsible government.  I'm curious why you, or anyone else, think Trump is qualified to be President. 

 

In a choice between a flawed but qualified candidate and a completely unqualified candidate, a large minority of the voters chose the completely unqualified choice.  That was a dangerous choice.

 

It was also an era when Globsliation was just starting and our Stock Markets reflected the new overseas corporate positions and profits just before it destroyed the blue collar workforce opportunities in the US. 

 

It is a time in history that cannot be repeated. 

 

Those were sure party times though. Heck, I knew a guy who used to get his intern to give him oral pleasure right there in his office. He never even got fired for it because he was the boss.

[heybruce]

11 minutes ago, ClutchClark said:

 

It was also an era when Globsliation was just starting and our Stock Markets reflected the new overseas corporate positions and profits just before it destroyed the blue collar workforce opportunities in the US. 

 

It is a time in history that cannot be repeated. 

 

Those were sure party times though. Heck, I knew a guy who used to get his intern to give him oral pleasure right there in his office. He never even got fired for it because he was the boss.

 

A lot of bosses get way with that kind of thing.  So long as it's between consenting adults many people don't think it's a big deal.

 

Now we have a new boss who thinks it's ok to grab women by the p***y without their consent.

Edited November 12, 2016 by heybruce

[ClutchClark]

4 minutes ago, heybruce said:

 

Now we have a new boss who thinks it's ok to grab women by the p***y.

 

We have a new boss who bragged he grabbed women by the ***** but no proof he was not just bragging like some guys do vs a guy who actually got his intern to perform oral sex on him while he was POTUS. She was an intern, he was in a position of trust. Professors, law enforcement officers, health practitioners lose their jobs And risk criminal charges over what Bill did. 

 

But we are straying off topic. 

 

 

[heybruce]

1 minute ago, ClutchClark said:

 

We have a new boss who bragged he grabbed women by the ***** but no proof he was not just bragging like some guys do vs a guy who actually got his intern to perform oral sex on him while he was POTUS. She was an intern, he was in a position of trust. Professors, law enforcement officers, health practitioners lose their jobs And risk criminal charges over what Bill did. 

 

But we are straying off topic.

 

I don't know, the topic is Trump's fitness to be President, and the numerous women who have accused him of assault seems pertinent.

[ClutchClark]

2 minutes ago, heybruce said:

 

I don't know, the topic is Trump's fitness to be President, and the numerous women who have accused him of assault seems pertinent.

 

How many of those women made the complaint AT the time ? That would have certsinly helped prove their credibility. 

 

The ones I have seen in recent weeks just decided to come forward now when there was personal gain to be had. Some might see them as opportunistic. 

 

[Prbkk]

His fitness to be president was rightfully determined by the voters. That fitness will be tested in the forthcoming Trump University case ( due for trial in the next month?). If it transpires that he exploited vulnerable people , deceitfully and with profit the motive, Americans will turn on him in a way never seen before. He has nowhere to hide now and the truth of that fiasco will emerge: what's he going to do, accuse the judge of bias from the Oval Office? 

No one cares much about some of the dubious pussygate stuff but ripping off the vulnerable to pay for more gold toilet seats is another matter altogether.

[Jingthing]

No getting elected does not prove his fitness at all.

It only proves he was elected and can legally assume the role of the office.

[ClutchClark]

1 minute ago, Prbkk said:

His fitness to be president was rightfully determined by the voters. That fitness will be tested in the forthcoming Trump University case ( due for trial in the next month?). If it transpires that he exploited vulnerable people , deceitfully and with profit the motive, Americans will turn on him in a way never seen before. He has nowhere to hide now and the truth of that fiasco will emerge: what's he going to do, accuse the judge of bias from the Oval Office? 

No one cares much about some of the dubious pussygate stuff but ripping off the vulnerable to pay for more gold toilet seats is another matter altogether.

 

Its possible that case will be postponed.

[Prbkk]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

No getting elected does not prove his fitness at all.

It only proves he was elected and can legally assume the role of the office.

 

Fitness in the eyes of the voters is what counts. But their judgement is subject to change.

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, Prbkk said:

 

Fitness in the eyes of the voters is what counts. But their judgement is subject to change.

I think you're avoiding the reality of what happened. There is strong evidence that a massive percentage of trump voters don't think he is fit, but voted for him anyway. Add to that the he didn't even get the most votes, and there's the reality. In this case, elected the trump buffoon does not actually show evidence that voters think he is fit. It shows he won the election and that enough people were willing to take the RISK.

 

To add, I don't pretend to be objective about trump. Accepting a President trump as being a normal thing is not healthy. We can accept he has been elected and will hold the office, but that's about it. 

Edited November 12, 2016 by Jingthing

[heybruce]

26 minutes ago, ClutchClark said:

 

How many of those women made the complaint AT the time ? That would have certsinly helped prove their credibility. 

 

The ones I have seen in recent weeks just decided to come forward now when there was personal gain to be had. Some might see them as opportunistic. 

 

 

A complaint without support from witnesses would have gone nowhere.  They tried to forget about the incident until they saw his BS about respecting women in the debate, then they came forward.  To my knowledge there has been no attempt to get money from him, they just wanted the voters to know what kind of man he is.

[ClutchClark]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I think you're avoiding the reality of what happened.

 

I was just thinking that very same thing about you.

You do realize the election is over and Trump won, right?

 

As for his level of fitness. Those of us who voted for him considered him more "fit" than the other candidate.

[ClutchClark]

10 minutes ago, heybruce said:

 

A complaint without support from witnesses would have gone nowhere.  They tried to forget about the incident until they saw his BS about respecting women in the debate, then they came forward.  To my knowledge there has been no attempt to get money from him, they just wanted the voters to know what kind of man he is.

 

So there were witnesses at the time? As in witness statements or copies of a diary or letters to a loved one describing the incident? 

 

I have not heard that but I have not followed it closely after I saw the one female accuser break down into sobs because of the years of trauma she has suffered after Trumps hand brushed against her breast as he touched her arm. Mind you, she made no claim he snatched her *****.

 

There are more ways to seek gain that strictly monetary. You can bet if the attorney, Gloria Allred is involved then she fully intended to gain something--such as getting Donald to lose the support of his voters. 

 

Lets say someone made the claim against you that you sexually assaulted them. Would you not expect the accusers to provide some type of evidence? 

Edited November 12, 2016 by ClutchClark

[heybruce]

6 minutes ago, ClutchClark said:

 

So there were witnesses at the time? As in witness statements or copies of a diary or letters to a loved one describing the incident? 

 

I have not heard that but I have not followed it closely after I saw the one female accuser break down into sobs because of the years of trauma she has suffered after Trumps hand brushed against her breast as he touched her arm. Mind you, she made no claim he snatched her *****.

 

There are more ways to seek gain that strictly monetary. You can bet if the attorney, Gloria Allred is involved then she fully intended to gain something--such as getting Donald to lose the support of his voters. 

Read my post, I didn't say there were witnesses.  Many of accusations go way beyond touching a breast.  You are speculating about their motives.

[3NUMBAS]

as he is not in bed with goldman sachs he would say that .bankers and hedge funds need a pres who is dirty and rotten  to the core

[Strange]

58 minutes ago, heybruce said:

A complaint without support from witnesses would have gone nowhere.  They tried to forget about the incident until they saw his BS about respecting women in the debate, then they came forward.  To my knowledge there has been no attempt to get money from him, they just wanted the voters to know what kind of man he is.

 

They can't get money from him without evidence, and they can't bring a court case without exposing themselves to slander/defamation because they have no evidence. 

 

I mean its a effective spin you have put on it, but if you look at it from a legal perspective its pretty convenient. 

[Strange]

45 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Read my post, I didn't say there were witnesses.  Many of accusations go way beyond touching a breast.  You are speculating about their motives.

 

And you are speculating on the reality of weather to not it happened. 

 

We don't know. We will probably never know. 

 

Many of the cases were so convenient they must be questioned, and a few were clearly for personal gain. 

 

Think about it, just as trump might, maybe, have tried to kiss a pornstar one time, its equally possible, in this huge, billion dollar political slander machine, that it was either all, or mostly false. 

[heybruce]

25 minutes ago, Strange said:

 

They can't get money from him without evidence, and they can't bring a court case without exposing themselves to slander/defamation because they have no evidence. 

 

I mean its a effective spin you have put on it, but if you look at it from a legal perspective its pretty convenient. 

 

So your argument is that since they won't bring a court case it didn't happen?

[heybruce]

23 minutes ago, Strange said:

 

And you are speculating on the reality of weather to not it happened. 

 

We don't know. We will probably never know. 

 

Many of the cases were so convenient they must be questioned, and a few were clearly for personal gain. 

 

Think about it, just as trump might, maybe, have tried to kiss a pornstar one time, its equally possible, in this huge, billion dollar political slander machine, that it was either all, or mostly false. 

 

Right.  What are the chances that a man who's had three wives, talks lustfully about his own daughter, owns a beauty contest, and brags about grabbing women by their genitals would ever treat a woman in a disrespectful manner?

[Dtrump]

3 minutes ago, heybruce said:

 

Right.  What are the chances that a man who's had three wives, talks lustfully about his own daughter, owns a beauty contest, and brags about grabbing women by their genitals would ever treat a woman in a disrespectful manner?

Most heterosexual/adult men understand Trump was complimenting his daughter and not lusting after her. 

 

Edited November 12, 2016 by Dtrump