Jingthing Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 (edited) 1 minute ago, SimpleChap said: 47.3% voted for Trump while 47.8% voted for Hilary. You call that most of the Americans are for the other side. Talking with you doesn't get boring, it gets laughable. I was talking about issues not the recent election. You, like so many trumpists aren't really interested in an honest discussion. Another black hole of no value. You earn ignore list status. Congrats. Edited November 12, 2016 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker69 Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 6 hours ago, Publicus said: Congratulations because you have been inducted in to the Ignore Hall of Shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker69 Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Trump Just Announced He Will Not Cancel Obama’s Iran Peace Deal. http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/11/12/trump-just-announced-will-not-cancel-obamas-iran-peace-deal/ Donald Trump Says He May Keep Parts of Obama Health Care Act http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/business/insurers-unprepared-for-obamacare-repeal.html Oh I almost forgot! Here are 4 policies that Trump is already back-pedaling on http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/here-are-4-policies-that-trump-is-already-back-peddling-on/ -I didn´t see that one coming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 (edited) Obama must have had some really STRONG MEDICINE about reality to tell the donald in that hour long meeting! Poor donald. The man baby is being forced to grow up. This isn't turning out to be so much fun! WINNING was the fun part. That's over. BTW, I'm knowledgeable about this and allowing preexisting conditions without an insurance mandate within the current system, that is really IMPOSSIBLE to finance. And without SUBSIDIES most people in the private market won't be able to afford policies anyway. They could go old school and have high risk pools but the premiums would need to be monstrous. Really the only non horrible answer is nationalized health care. Still can't grasp how Americans are so resistant to the ONLY decent answer. Actually I remember when Obama was elected polling showed a small majority of Americans were in favor of nationalized health care. Gone backwards from that as we're not even talking about it anymore and now trump got elected. Edited November 12, 2016 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 39 minutes ago, Ulysses G. said: He earned Lie of the Year from Politifact and Hillary conspired against Bernie with the DNC. Hillary cheated in the debates. The list goes on and on. Do you really want to use Politifact to defend Trump? http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/lists/people/comparing-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-truth-o-met/ Hillary and the DNC conspired to get the life-long Democrat elected instead of the life-long independent just converted to Democrat. What a shock. Hillary cheated on the debates? Oh yeah, she prepared, that's cheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 17 minutes ago, Skywalker69 said: Trump Just Announced He Will Not Cancel Obama’s Iran Peace Deal. http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/11/12/trump-just-announced-will-not-cancel-obamas-iran-peace-deal/ Donald Trump Says He May Keep Parts of Obama Health Care Act http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/business/insurers-unprepared-for-obamacare-repeal.html Oh I almost forgot! Here are 4 policies that Trump is already back-pedaling on http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/here-are-4-policies-that-trump-is-already-back-peddling-on/ -I didn´t see that one coming! I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 11 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Obama must have had some really STRONG MEDICINE about reality to tell the donald in that hour long meeting! Poor donald. The man baby is being forced to grow up. This isn't turning out to be so much fun! WINNING was the fun part. That's over. BTW, I'm knowledgeable about this and allowing preexisting conditions without an insurance mandate within the current system, that is really IMPOSSIBLE to finance. And without SUBSIDIES most people in the private market won't be able to afford policies anyway. They could go old school and have high risk pools but the premiums would need to be monstrous. The US spends 17.1% of GDP on health care, the highest percentage in the world. http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.TOTL.ZS For this we get the 37th best health care in the world. http://www.who.int/whr/2000/media_centre/press_release/en/ With a $16.77 trillion GDP, that means the US spends $2.85 trillion dollars per year, or about $9000 per person (most of it hidden from the consumers). The EU spends 10.1% of its GDP on health and most (all?) countries are ranked higher than the US. Here's a fun fact: If the US could get its healthcare spending to the same level as the EU, we would save $1.2 trillion a year, or about $3700 dollars per person. Maybe we should reconsider the "horrors" of socialized medicine. Of course the healthcare industry in the US is not going to give up that $1.2 trillion without a fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 24 minutes ago, Skywalker69 said: Trump Just Announced He Will Not Cancel Obama’s Iran Peace Deal. http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/11/12/trump-just-announced-will-not-cancel-obamas-iran-peace-deal/ More nonsense from a ridiculous source. Trump never said he was going to cancel the deal. He said tbat he was going to renegotiate it. Obama has already given them all the goodies, so have to take a different strategy. On Obamacare, more hype. Trump always said he wanted to use those two provisions - nothing new there. I do not bother reading further.Too obvious no there there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 8 minutes ago, Ulysses G. said: More nonsense from a ridiculous source. Trump never said he was going to cancel the deal. He said tbat he was going to renegotiate it. Obama has already given them all the goodies, so have to take a different strategy. On Obamacare, more hype. Trump always said he wanted to use those two provisions - nothing new there. I do not bother reading further.Too obvious no there there. " “My number one priority is to dismantle the disastrous deal with Iran,” Trump said in a speech to the pro-Israel lobbying group AIPAC during the campaign. He later said he would try to renegotiate the agreement and increase U.S. sanctions against Iran." https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/iran-nuclear-deal-could-collapse-under-trump/2016/11/09/f2d2bd02-a68c-11e6-ba59-a7d93165c6d4_story.html So he said it, then sort of unsaid it. However he didn't say how he will renegotiate an agreed upon deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Thanks for proving my point. He said he will renegotiate it so that it works for the USA instead of Iran. Dismantle has a number of meanings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 14 minutes ago, Ulysses G. said: Thanks for proving my point. He said he will renegotiate it so that it works for the USA instead of Iran. Dismantle has a number of meanings. “My number one priority is to dismantle the disastrous deal with Iran,” Dismantle has a number of meanings, but in this context it certainly seems like he intends to completely undo (cancel) the deal. There is also the issue of renegotiating a deal that has been agreed upon. Why would Iran accommodate him on this? What leverage can he bring that hasn't already been applied, other than military force? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchClark Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 (edited) 24 minutes ago, heybruce said: “My number one priority is to dismantle the disastrous deal with Iran,” Dismantle has a number of meanings, but in this context it certainly seems like he intends to completely undo (cancel) the deal. There is also the issue of renegotiating a deal that has been agreed upon. Why would Iran accommodate him on this? What leverage can he bring that hasn't already been applied, other than military force? Simply your bias clouding your interpretation. Trump has already made his position and intention clear...you are simply nitpicking. Trump will clarify in greater detail in his first 100 days so its a senseless effort to try and pigeon-hole now. Edited November 12, 2016 by ClutchClark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Off-topic posts removed along with replies. I don't seem to recall the thread being about Hillary Clinton. Continue with off-topic posting at your own peril. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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heybruce Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 27 minutes ago, ClutchClark said: Simply your bias clouding your interpretation. Trump has already made his position and intention clear...you are simply nitpicking. Trump will clarify in greater detail in his first 100 days so its a senseless effort to try and pigeon-hole now. I asked legitimate questions that no one has answered, probably because there are no answers. Trump has made nothing clear, he simply claims he will renegotiate the agreed upon deal and make it better in some unspecified manner. As I mentioned in an earlier post, if Trump botches the nuclear deal with Iran the way Bush botched the nuclear deal with North Korea, the world will be a much more dangerous place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker69 Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 A professor who called Trump's presidency now says it won't last long http://www.aol.com/article/news/2016/11/11/a-professor-who-called-trumps-presidency-now-says-it-wont-last/21604240/?a_dgi=aolshare_facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 7 minutes ago, Skywalker69 said: A professor who called Trump's presidency now says it won't last long. Is he a professor or a psychic? A lot of people thought Trump would win. That hardly gives them magic powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchClark Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 14 minutes ago, Skywalker69 said: A professor who called Trump's presidency now says it won't last long http://www.aol.com/article/news/2016/11/11/a-professor-who-called-trumps-presidency-now-says-it-wont-last/21604240/?a_dgi=aolshare_facebook If only hillary had listened to this professor earlier, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uptheos Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 PRESIDENT DONALD J TRUMP of the USA Get used to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andaman Al Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 2 hours ago, Skywalker69 said: Here are 4 policies that Trump is already back-pedaling on http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/here-are-4-policies-that-trump-is-already-back-peddling-on/ I like this one Quote Trump’s core promise, and a familiar refrain by the president-elect. “I will build a great, great wall on our southern border, and I will make Mexico pay for that wall,” Trump said repeatedly. “Mark my words.” Thursday, Newt Gingrich—who’s reportedly being considered for Trump’s Secretary of State—admitted the president-elect’s promise to get Mexico to pay for it may have been a “campaign device.” “He may not spend much time trying to get Mexico to pay for it,” Gingrich said. “But it was a great campaign device.” I knew there may be violence after this election, certainly if Hillary won, but if everything pan's out like it is currently looking the violence on the street will be from Trumps supporters against Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 1 minute ago, Andaman Al said: I knew there may be violence after this election, certainly if Hillary won, but if everything pan's out like it is currently looking the violence on the street will be from Trumps supporters against Trump. As long as Trump cuts illegal immigration, no one will care about how he phrased it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andaman Al Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 54 minutes ago, Skywalker69 said: Throughout the entire public part of their meeting Trumps body language was totally submissive. He was under confident and appeared way out of his depth. Clearly after talking with Obama in private he came out wanting to modify or change his campaign promises. Perhaps he got his first real honest briefing on the truth of the way things are, and Trump had a Presidential epiphany. See, Presidents do as they are told by the men with no faces and extremely large bank balances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Andaman Al Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, Ulysses G. said: As long as Trump cuts illegal immigration, no one will care about how he phrased it. But he won't! He will not build a wall, he will not cut illegal immigration from Mexico and the 'legal immigration' from people from the Middle East for example has a perfectly sound and arduous vetting process. Furthermore he has now stated he is not going to deport all the illegals from Mexico, just 'the criminals', which is exactly the policy Obama has. Trump went in Obama's office full of his own ideas and came out a changed man! Maybe there was someone else in there who told Trump what he was going to do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, Andaman Al said: Throughout the entire public part of their meeting Trumps body language was totally submissive. He was under confident and appeared way out of his depth. Clearly after talking with Obama in private he came out wanting to modify or change his campaign promises. Perhaps he got his first real honest briefing on the truth of the way things are, and Trump had a Presidential epiphany. See, Presidents do as they are told by the men with no faces and extremely large bank balances. Thanks for a great example of factless, wishful thinking. Trump was cordial and polite. He should be lauded for being so thoughtful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 1 minute ago, Andaman Al said: But he won't! Haven't you lot learned anything? The Obama haters swore for months that he would never be president and they were proven wrong in a big way. Please keep the foolish fortune telling off the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andaman Al Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 1 minute ago, Ulysses G. said: Thanks for a great example of factless, wishful thinking. Trump was cordial and polite. He should be lauded for being so thoughtful. I love how you keep quoting a few lines from people and providing one line answers in a bid to get your post count up. You think whatever you like Ulysses G, because in the entire history of your participation on this forum nobody has EVER said anything that has made you even remotely change your mind. The only truly right person on here is you! I wish I had your encyclopedic knowledge about everything there is to know about life and the universe. I am sure Einstein really missed being able to hook up with you. Keep up the sterling work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andaman Al Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Ulysses G. said: Haven't you lot learned anything? The Obama haters swore for months that he would never be president and they were proven wrong in a big way. Please keep the foolish fortune telling off the forum. The Obama haters eh! I would doubt you on that but you are always right. Trump himself has eluded to the fact that 'he won't', keep up with your hero and his words for goodness sake. Edited November 12, 2016 by Andaman Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker69 Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 21 minutes ago, Ulysses G. said: Thanks for a great example of factless, wishful thinking. Trump was cordial and polite. He should be lauded for being so thoughtful. Quote Trump was cordial and polite. There is a lot of videos of Trump on the internet that prove´s you´r wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker69 Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Meet your new legion of doom: Trump’s potential cabinet. http://fusion.net/story/368407/donald-trump-cabinet-picks/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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