Obama: Trump ‘woefully unfit’ to be President

[Ulysses G.]

2 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

No, it isn't. It's exactly what Ford intended to do anyway. No jobs were saved, no jobs were lost.

 

The intended to move production of Ford MKC Compact to Mexico. That have decided otherwise.

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, Ulysses G. said:

The point made was that he was supposed to act stupidly to avoid being critisized for changing his mind to deal with current circumstances.

 

 

 

 

Not at all. The point made was that he backpedals again on a definitive statement made during his campaign. And that's from a man said to mean what exactly what he says.

[Morch]

1 minute ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

The intended to move production of Ford MKC Compact to Mexico. That have decided otherwise.

 

I think in the flurry of defending Trump, you missed a couple (or more) of the posted links.

[Ulysses G.]

2 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Sensible would be not to engage in fraud, and not be placed in such a position to begin with. Sensible would be not publicly claiming he'll never settle, only to settle a few months later.

 

 

There is no evidence that he engaged in fraud. He did not admit to it. His position is that he just settled a nuisance law suit and under the circumstances that may be true.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

There is no evidence that he engaged in fraud. He did not admit to it. His position is that he just settled a nuisance law suit and under the circumstances that may be true.

Anyone that has followed the story knows that trump's fake university was a total SCAM. 

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

There is no evidence that he engaged in fraud. He did not admit to it. His position is that he just settled a nuisance law suit and under the circumstances that may be true.

 

Yeah...here's comes the spin. The only problem being he said there was no wrongdoing and that he will never settle. And the point with regard to backpedaling stands.

[Ulysses G.]

That was before he was elected president. He has more important fish to fry.

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, Ulysses G. said:

That was before he was elected president. He has more important fish to fry.

Yeah, of course he does, dude, of course he does ...

Con man radar. It's useful. Too late now though. 

 

Quote

 

Trump may be setting a record for broken promises

 

 

 

http://www.sfgate.com/news/politics/article/Trump-may-be-setting-a-record-for-broken-promises-10623216.php

Edited November 19, 2016 by Jingthing

[Morch]

4 minutes ago, Ulysses G. said:

That was before he was elected president. He has more important fish to fry.

 

 

Admit it - you're just posting the list of possible spins detailed earlier.

 

Edited November 19, 2016 by Morch

[Ulysses G.]

Still true. the man was elected President of the United States. That changes everything.

Edited November 19, 2016 by Ulysses G.

[Morch]

1 minute ago, Ulysses G. said:

Still true.

 

The relation between truth and "exaggeration", is probably going to be one of the hallmarks of Trump's presidency.

[Ulysses G.]

2 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

The relation between truth and "exaggeration", is probably going to be one of the hallmarks of Trump's presidency.

 

Like the presidents before him.

 

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/dec/12/lie-year-if-you-like-your-health-care-plan-keep-it/

[Morch]

1 minute ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

Like the presidents before him.

 

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/dec/12/lie-year-if-you-like-your-health-care-plan-keep-it/

 

This topic, however, is not about Trump.

 

But if you insist, then from the same source:

 

Barack Obama's file

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/

 

Donald Trump's file

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[iReason]

Just now, Ulysses G. said:

 

There is no evidence that he engaged in fraud. He did not admit to it.

 

Yup.

The Con-Man, the Huckster, the Bloviator paid out $25,000,000 because there was no evidence.  Right.

You just love to make stuff up don't you?

Or at best, woefully uninformed...

 

"On October 18, 2013, California businessman Art Cohen filed a civil lawsuit, Cohen v. Trump, in U.S. District Court for Southern California, as a class action on behalf of consumers throughout the United States who purchased services known as "Live Events" from Trump University after January 1, 2007. It alleged violations of the RICO statute, essentially a scheme to defraud."

 

"The suit named Donald Trump as the sole defendant and sought restitution as well as damages, including punitive and treble damages.[44] In an order dated October 24, 2014, U.S. District Judge Gonzalo P. Curiel certified the class proposed by the plaintiff and ruled that Cohen had presented enough evidence to allow the lawsuit to proceed.[45][46]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_University

 

"As for whether the case could affect Trump’s presidency, University of Utah Law Professor Christopher Lewis Peterson wrote an article arguing that there is already enough evidence in the fraud case for Congress to impeach Trump."

 

"He wrote, “A federal judge appointed under Article III of the U.S. Constitution has already determined that Trump’s alleged actions, if true, constitute fraud and racketeering … Congress would be well within its legal rights under the Constitution to insist upon a President who is not a fraudster or a racketeer as defined in its own law.”

http://people.com/politics/donald-trump-legal-battles-stop-president/

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2841306

 

The Trumpeteers really do live in a alternate universe of denial...

Edited November 19, 2016 by iReason

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, iReason said:

 

Yup.

The Con-Man, the Huckster, the Bloviator paid out $25,000,000 because there was no evidence.  Right.

You just love to make stuff up don't you?

Or at best, woefully uninformed...

 

"On October 18, 2013, California businessman Art Cohen filed a civil lawsuit, Cohen v. Trump, in U.S. District Court for Southern California, as a class action on behalf of consumers throughout the United States who purchased services known as "Live Events" from Trump University after January 1, 2007. It alleged violations of the RICO statute, essentially a scheme to defraud."

 

"The suit named Donald Trump as the sole defendant and sought restitution as well as damages, including punitive and treble damages.[44] In an order dated October 24, 2014, U.S. District Judge Gonzalo P. Curiel certified the class proposed by the plaintiff and ruled that Cohen had presented enough evidence to allow the lawsuit to proceed.[45][46]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_University

 

"As for whether the case could affect Trump’s presidency, University of Utah Law Professor Christopher Lewis Peterson wrote an article arguing that there is already enough evidence in the fraud case for Congress to impeach Trump."

 

"He wrote, “A federal judge appointed under Article III of the U.S. Constitution has already determined that Trump’s alleged actions, if true, constitute fraud and racketeering … Congress would be well within its legal rights under the Constitution to insist upon a President who is not a fraudster or a racketeer as defined in its own law.”

http://people.com/politics/donald-trump-legal-battles-stop-president/

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2841306

 

The Trumpeteers really do live in a alternate universe of denial...

There is also the issue of Trump bribing the Florida AG to look the other way about Trump U. stuff  http://fortune.com/2016/09/12/trump-foundation-bondi-florida-ag/  . 

 

However since Rick Scott, the governor of Florida, in a free man based on his (claimed) ignorance about the massive Medicare fraud his company committed  http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2010/may/21/bill-mccollum/rick-scott-former-healthcare-ceo-barely-escaped-pr/  and the "I knew nothing" governor of Florida is a Trump supporter, I don't expect much to come of this.

 

"Drain the swamp"?  Trump and his supporters are creatures of the swamp.

Edited November 19, 2016 by heybruce

[Ulysses G.]

Still presenting a parade of charges that he has not been tried or convicted of - many probably emanating from running for office and being vulnerable for that reason.

[Publicus]

9 hours ago, Ulysses G. said:

You are correct about it mostly being the Republicans call now, but the accusations of racism by Trump are the same nonsense that they have always been - dishonest campaign rhetoric. 

 

We have Trump's own words, gestures, actions from the campaign and from long before it. Trump attacked a person with disabilities because the man is a journalist. Who's next....

 

 

Jonathan Chait: “Donald Trump’s presidential campaign bludgeoned modern norms about the acceptability of racism. The candidate proposed a religious test for immigrants, and called a federal judge unfit on the grounds of his heritage. Trump could have decided to put the racial demagoguery of the campaign behind him, and it could have been remembered as a divisive ploy to win that did not define his administration, like George Bush’s manipulation of white racial panic to defeat Michael Dukakis in 1988. But Trump, perhaps predictably, is making a different choice. His early staffing choices are redefining the boundaries of acceptable racial discourse in Republican politics.”

 

Edited November 20, 2016 by metisdead
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[heybruce]

49 minutes ago, Ulysses G. said:

Still presenting a parade of charges that he has not been tried or convicted of - many probably emanating from running for office and being vulnerable for that reason.

Many of those charges predate his run from office.  Also, many Trump supporters were eager to condemn HRC for charges she was not tried or convicted of, or even charged with.  "Lock her up!" and BS like that. 

 

Bit of a double standard, don't you think?

[lannarebirth]

3 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Many of those charges predate his run from office.  Also, many Trump supporters were eager to condemn HRC for charges she was not tried or convicted of, or even charged with.  "Lock her up!" and BS like that. 

 

Bit of a double standard, don't you think?

 

You're missing the real double standard. Why not try both of them and if convicted lock them both up? The double standard is what "they" can do with relative impugnity and the rules that apply to the rest of us.

[Publicus]

 

More like no standard.

[Andaman Al]

1 hour ago, Ulysses G. said:

Still presenting a parade of charges that he has not been tried or convicted of

 

What a sensible line. So why for the last year do you insist on calling Hillary 'Crooked' and a 'Criminal' you are simply "presenting a parade of charges that she has not been tried or convicted of".

[ClutchClark]

1 hour ago, Publicus said:

Trump attacked a person with disabilities because the man is a journalist. Who's next....

 

He attacked the man? 

 

Physically? 

 

Did he attack him because he was "handicapped" ?

 

Your post does state he attacked the man because he was a journalist.

 

Please do provide details.

 

Thanks

Edited November 19, 2016 by ClutchClark

[Boon Mee]

8 hours ago, Andaman Al said:

 

 

Can you enlighten us Boon Mee on how iReasons post is off topic in a topic called Trump Woefully Unfit to be President?

He changed the topic of discussion 180 deg from what we were talking about.

Like apples/oranges...

[Boon Mee]

Instead of being so-called "woefully unfit", Donald Trump is the epitome of what's true and correct in a President:

To wit:

Trump set to take sharp right turn on immigration.

And it's about time! 

[Scott]

Trolling is going to get you suspended, as is baiting and deflections.  

[ilostmypassword]

4 hours ago, Ulysses G. said:

Still presenting a parade of charges that he has not been tried or convicted of - many probably emanating from running for office and being vulnerable for that reason.

You mean like Hillary Clinton? Double standard much?

[seedy]

Bickering posts Removed

[Ulysses G.]

4 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

 

You're missing the real double standard. Why not try both of them and if convicted lock them both up? The double standard is what "they" can do with relative impugnity and the rules that apply to the rest of us.

 

Hear, hear! 

[JLCrab]

3 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

Instead of being so-called "woefully unfit", Donald Trump is the epitome of what's true and correct in a President:

To wit:

Trump set to take sharp right turn on immigration.

And it's about time! 

Well depending upon which way he is facing when in WashDC, that could leave him out in the Atlantic Ocean (Great Ocean! One of the Best! That's why I bought Mar-a Lago!)

Edited November 20, 2016 by JLCrab

[Scott]

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