3 minutes ago, weecree said:

Using your own guide (and ignoring completely that since the military coup that pattern has completely ground to a halt aside one very lackluster bombing in bangkok which seemed to be entirely about disruption rather than loss of life), every action appears to be set on political opponents directly connected to Thaksin. These were targeting tourist areas. This is not in the remit of the red shirts.  

This is Thaivisa, my old mate. It doesn't have to be the reds that did it in order for the reds to have done it...

Pokemon Go, ruthless savages! Need to be stopped at all costs.

32 minutes ago, weecree said:

For years ive been reading (on this site) articles talking about the southern insurgents moving north and particularly into the tourist areas to both draw attention to their cause and force concessions. It amazes me that with the information thus far established we've completely forgot all this and assume its the red shirts. The logistics alone would be formidable. What we know of red-terrorism since the last surge is that its often very small scale, opportunist and lacks genuine planning (dumping a nail bomb behind some bins or lobbing a grenade over a wall). Of course this could be paramilitary which would be an incredibly worrying development. But its rather unlikely. The reds have stayed quiet for the past two years knowing full well that in a free vote they'll either romp home or wait until the army is back in its barracks and use protest as a vehicle for civil disobedience. 

 

What we know of the southern insurgency is that it has lost impact in the media, it is ideologically driven, it has no chance of representation through the ballot box, and it can mobilise in those regions. We also know, thanks to the statement on the type of devices used, that they mirror those used in the insurgency. It boggles the mind then that people think the lesser of two evils is to pin it on the reds. Not only would this likely lead to further state aggression by the military, it may end up in a self-fulfilling prophesy. It seems the Thai state desperately wants to not only disefranchise the north, but also humiliate them in the process by provoking a confrontation. Its so counter productive that i cant get my head around it. Meanwhile the people actually responsible will very likely be planning and coordinating a far more attention grabbing strike no doubt in the heart of the tourist trap. 

The reds have never 'romped' home. They got 35% of those eligible to vote, curiously the same as the winning total in the recent referendum.

Troll someone else, i dont rise to it. 

18 minutes ago, djjamie said:

The below is a glimpse into this terrorist minorities activities in 2005 and 2006.

The list of activities is much longer in 2010 and then we have 2014 and 2015 which is quite long as well. All these activities have coincided with major events in the political landscape of Thailand. All of them coinciding with thaksin affiliated parties loosing power or having power taken away from them. All of them denied by the thaksin affiliated parties just as this one is. History has judged the PTP and the UDD and that ids why they are the main suspects.

They made the threat that there would be a civil war if they lost power and this is now conveniently ignored by the same news media that reported it 2 years ago. 

• On March 27, 2006, an unexploded bomb was discovered next to the Democrat Party headquarters (ref I); 
• On March 9, 2006, a small bomb exploded at a guardpost outside the house of Privy Councilor Prem Tinsulanonda (ref J);
• on the same day, a bomb exploded at the Royal Vajiravut College, targeting anti-Thaksin academic Chai-anan Samutthawanit; 
• On February 22, 2006, a small bomb exploded at the Santi Asoke Buddhist Sect, associated with leading Thaksin opponent Chamlong Srimuang; 
• On December 8, 2005, a small bomb exploded at a phone booth outside of Lumpini Park, which had become a site for recent anti-Thaksin rallies; 
• On November 3, 2005, a small bomb exploded on property of the Manager Media Group, owned by leading Thaksin critic Sondhi Limthongkul.

And have any of these attacks resulted in any prosecution, or investigation poducing any evidence to link them to Thaksin?

the foreign teacher's have finally got fed up with being mistreated.

if its southerners, which seems most likely, the government will never admit to it. they like to pretend all is well down there in their little military smuggling and trafficking zone. if it was reds there would be curfews in place already. this will blow over without anybody being caught.

2 hours ago, DoctorG said:

Really? We love to speculate here on TVF but this is just silly as we have no real information to even guess.

 

Particularly given this is following the same MO as the Erawan and all other bombings. Little devices ruling out haha, ISIS. And this time, JUST after the 'referendum' and before an 'auspicious day'. Quickly obfuscated by the laughable authorities (of any stripe - remember Taksin's car bomber lol).

 

So once again, scant information, couple of 'suspects' quickly ruled out (can't stand too much scrutiny ..), NO more incidents (betcha) until deemed necessary to maintain military force. Rats, I am smelling ..

 

Edited August 14, 20169 yr by dageurreotype

To all those just repeating the dumb and stupid comment from Prayuth that the reds are behind this:

You're really doing your best to be even more [email protected] [email protected] than he already is.

But it won't change the facts that it's been an action from the southern separatists.

 

1 hour ago, DoctorG said:

Really? We love to speculate here on TVF but this is just silly as we have no real information to even guess.

 

I thought: speculation based on absolutely no evidence, jumping to conclusions and non sequiturs were 'compulsory' to be able to post on TVF. 

The cruise ship passengers ?  

Obvious its the military who have clearly shown they have no respect for human life or rights, are willing to open fire killing hundreds of unarmed demostrators, will support authorities using the vulnerable as scapegoats, ignore the labour abuses occurring in many hiso industries but support the prosecution of whistleblowers under the context of either "protecting national security" or "harming the country's image", allows their own junior recruits to be murdered by the egos of superior officers with impunity and are so desperate to maintain power, the life of the average Thai or alien to them, is worthless.

 

Ask  yourself, Who has most to gain, who has a history of extra judicial killings, who, by their continuing actions believes they are above the law and not open to scrutiny and beyond any independent investigation.?

What authority has easy access to explosives and has a branch that wants new subs?

I'm sure it was the Thai Rikscha Connection..

Uighers.

Looks like southern islamic separatists to me. Western media have been reporting ISIS are looking to expand into SE Asia for a few years and I hope this is not the beginning of a more aggressive bombing campaign inspired/funded by them. 

Old foreigners with sim cards.

2 hours ago, djjamie said:

The most likely culprits are forces linked to thaksin in the PTP and the UDD.

They suffered a significant defeat days ago which saw the passing of a new charter that will all but end his party's prospects of returning to power. To rub salt in the wounds a record number of people voted for this charter. In fact more people voted YES for this charter than voted for any winning Thai PM in history.

 

In the past, when thaksins forces have felt politically cornered, they have always violently struck back. The move will harm the nation's economy, undermine the government's ability to maintain peace and stability, give the more radical elements of thaksins movement a boost in morale and send a message to his opponents to come back to the table for talks rather than continue on with the systematic dismantling of his political party.

 

Of course this resolute voice that has echoed through Thailand last weekend proclaiming the people are finally sick of death and violence and prefer the peace that the Junta has provided would definitely not sit well with these elements that committed the bombings. Bombs and death is the UDD specialty (oh and who can forget the arson of course) and what we are witnessing here is them in their element. Element being bombing and then denying as they have done for the last decade. 

 

Another gem from our resident Junta fanboy. As as usual you have it wrong.

 

There is no significant defeat for Thaksin, as a no vote would have put him in the exact same situation. Surprised you didn't know this (I think you did, but then your story would be a lie).

 

There is no reason to believe Thaksin is behind this, as he has nothing to gain. In fact, he has a lot to loose if the military remains in power longer as a result of this. Make no mistake, the Thai electorate will choose whoever they want, and if recent history is anything to go by, the chance that PT can form a government in 2017 is pretty big.

 

That government, or any other government for that matter (remember the Democrats are against the charter as well) will find a loophole those idiots have not noticed, and the charter will be changed to remove the undemocratic elements. History will repeat itself, with Suthep trying to push for a coup, but this time, such a coup might be ever harder to explain than the last one.

 

The MO of this does not point to Thaksin at all, it points to people who have been doing this for decades.

I think ISIL or Hamas , possibly Baader Meinhofs protesting against sim Tracking. 

3 hours ago, NongKhaiKid said:

How about a  '  too early to speculate  '   option   ?

This is TV, it's never too early to speculate

Well, unless it is just some horrible coincidence; it seems fair to say there is a faction behind it--or maybe just two kids on wave.

Mr. Pommeroy, with the lead pipe, in the library! 

4 hours ago, daveAustin said:

Red

 

Bruce Willis??

 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1245526

Apparently suspects can be indefinitely detained, attitude adjustment etc; so I'm making a "mother in-law" box and ticking  that. 

Should have included a fourth choice - ."False flag" 

5 hours ago, Plutojames88 said:

Powerful Reds in Prison whose families have paid hired personal large amounts of money to begin a long series of bombings to begin the downfall and removal of elites.

Do you have a ceiling on just how far up the elite chain you would like to go, after all, it is pyramid shaped.

Would these powerful Reds in prison be regarded by some as members of the elite? After all, Mr.T and his younger sister and family are formidable members of the CNX elite.

Shades of Robespierre?

ISIL cell in Malaysia sympathetic to the deep south insurgents. 

Well we all know who likes to put fire to and blow up bombs.

IMO there are no doubt that this is politically motivated.

42 minutes ago, ratcatcher said:

Do you have a ceiling on just how far up the elite chain you would like to go, after all, it is pyramid shaped.

Would these powerful Reds in prison be regarded by some as members of the elite? After all, Mr.T and his younger sister and family are formidable members of the CNX elite.

Shades of Robespierre?

 

 

No, it couldn't be Robespierre mate, he's been dead since 1794!