Philippine president wants US forces out of restive south

[Rhys]

Da man eat his toto tomuch

 

[ilostmypassword]

1 hour ago, Publicus said:

 

Duterte will find out very soon he's put his fate in the hands of CCP in Beijing and that Washington will not lift a finger to save him from that.

 

First and foremost is Scarborough Shoal off Luzon and squarely in the Philippines EEZ. CCP Dictators have blockaded Phils fishermen from Scarborough since 2012. In July CCP said a flat out no to Duterte's request of a goodwill gesture to him personally by lifting the blockade. (Same in the Spratlys off Duterte's home province Mindanao in the south.) This one now looks like strike three. 

 

The whole deal with everyone gravitates around Scarborough Shoal. 

 

President Obama has told Xi Jinping face to face for two years Scarborough is off limits in the SCS. CCP grabbing the Shoal would wrap a bow around its possession and control of all the Sea. Obama has said to Xi repeatedly the US would "take action" and "isolate China" if they made the final and otherwise decisive move at Scarborough. 

 

The Phils elites of Manila and Luzon have made clear, that if CCP starts construction at Scarborough Duterte will be impeached and removed from the presidency. No doubt of this and Duterte knows it. It's in the Phils constitution, that's how certain it is.

 

Duterte is by choice a Moro from the Phils South and he's always been in with the Muslim insurgency there. His statement that he wants his nemesis there, U.S. military advisors out and gone has informed the Manila and Luzon elites that Duterte is what they'd always believed him to be, which is the new Marcos but allied with China (and Russia).

 

The Phils military commanders who are graduates of US military academies, US army and naval war colleges, USA universities and most of whom are fluent in English, have been patient with and passive toward Duterte, who has been consistently solicitous of them. Duterte's war on drugs and crime have mortified the Supreme Court.

 

Duterte is a commotion at the national level and a menace regionally and globally. He's like a tornado when it touches down, in that you know its devastation coming at you but it jumps and hops vertically and horizontally, so all you can do is to protect yourself then to have a great relief once it's gone and dissipated. 

Well, until he loses his popularity, trying to depose or impeach him would be an act of lunacy.

[Publicus]

 

Duterte would lose significant popularity if he loses Scarborough Shoal. Manila elites would want to move against him in such an instance. Get him out and back to the Muslim insurgency in his home Mindanao which he's been partner to.

 

Despite the PCA ruling CCP have been walking all over the Phils in the SCS, in the Spratlys which is what the case at The Hague focused on (but went beyond due to the CCP nine-dashed line, which PCA invalidated).

 

Duterte just left CCP China with US $24 billion in promises, to include a promised low interest $9 bn loan CCP are famous for dismissing down the road. Lotsa signed agreements but a small cash box.

 

Since Duterte was elected in May US $42 bn of bonds in the Phils have lost 2.3%. Jens Nystedt at Morgan Stanley Assets in New York said he sees an additional 50 basis point widening in Phils sovereign yield premiums.

 

"Recent public statements have made some analysts worry about unpredictability of the new leadership," he said. "We will follow closely local business sentiment to see whether the rhetoric has any impact on local dynamics and the country's ability to attract foreign direct investments."

 

Moreover,  while CCP China is the Philis' second-largest trade partner, its largest is Japan. The third-largest trade partner is the United States. The fourth-largest is Singapore. USA is first in existing FDI with just under $5 bn.

 

Taken together, the Philippines sends 42.7 percent of its exports to Japan, the United States, and Singapore, compared with only 10.5 percent to China and 11.9 percent to Hong Kong.

 

The Philis gets 16.1 percent of its imports from China; almost all of the rest comes from the United States and its allies, to include Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea.

 

 

CCP Dictators in Beijing and Duterte himself also have this looking them in the face...

 

MANILA, Philippines –The Philippines likes the United States of America a lot.

And we mean, a lot.

Data from the Pew Research Center's Global Attitudes Project show a higher percentage of Filipinos surveyed – 85% to be exact – having a "favorable" view of the American people. Americans come second in the survey, with 84% saying they have a "favorable" view of themselves.

It doesn't stop there. Overall, the Philippines also had the most "favorable" view of the US, at 85% percent.

http://www.rappler.com/nation/56085-philippines-usa-pew-research

 

For one thing we're not stealing their fishing grounds. Neither are the vast majority of the Phils population in Mindanao. They're in Manila and Luzon, to include everywhere north of Mindanao and Davao City.

[tonbridgebrit]

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/philippine-police-van-seen-driving-protesters-anti-u-065842144.html


Okay, and here is more news from the Philipinnes.  Basically, about one thousand people did an anti-US demonstration outside the US embassy in Manila, and a police patrol van drove into the demonstrators.

A quote from the article (from yahoo, Reuters) " The rally came as President Rodrigo Duterte visits Beijing to strengthen relations with the world's second-largest economy amid deteriorating ties with the Philippines' former colonial power, the United States, sparked by his controversial war on illegal drugs. "

And, "The protesters were calling for the removal of U.S. troops in the southern island of Mindanao."

And finally, a third quote ["There was absolutely no justification (for the police violence)," Reyes said. "Even as the president avowed an independent foreign policy, Philippine police forces still act as running dogs of the U.S." ]



Reyes, Renato Reyes, is the secretary general of the left-wing activist group Bayan (Nation).

 

 

[Publicus]

1 hour ago, tonbridgebrit said:

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/philippine-police-van-seen-driving-protesters-anti-u-065842144.html


Okay, and here is more news from the Philipinnes.  Basically, about one thousand people did an anti-US demonstration outside the US embassy in Manila, and a police patrol van drove into the demonstrators.

A quote from the article (from yahoo, Reuters) " The rally came as President Rodrigo Duterte visits Beijing to strengthen relations with the world's second-largest economy amid deteriorating ties with the Philippines' former colonial power, the United States, sparked by his controversial war on illegal drugs. "

And, "The protesters were calling for the removal of U.S. troops in the southern island of Mindanao."

And finally, a third quote ["There was absolutely no justification (for the police violence)," Reyes said. "Even as the president avowed an independent foreign policy, Philippine police forces still act as running dogs of the U.S." ]



Reyes, Renato Reyes, is the secretary general of the left-wing activist group Bayan (Nation).

 

 

 

Ah yes, the old 'running dogs of Yankee imperialism' trick.

 

Yes, the demonstrators who are primarily of the Communist Party of the Philippines Maoist New People's Army and its political Democratic Front -- which has three ministers in the Duterte government -- want U.S. troops out of Mindanao. (Maoist insurrectionists are not connected to Beijing -- they hate the capitalist imperialist panda pretenders in Beijing!)

 

U.S. has been crimping Davao City in Mindanao former Mayor Rodrigo Duterte for a score of years down there. Duterte, who also is involved in the Muslim insurgency in Mindanao and the South wants U.S. special forces advisers out. Conversely, Manila wants the New People's Army out, the Moro insurgents out, the U.S. staying in. Duterte we'll see about.

 

Philippine Senate said today it will hold bi-partisan hearings with an investigation of Pres. Duterte's foreign relations and policies. Supreme Court justice and Phils legal heavyweight Antonio Carpio is talking impeachment. U.S. AsstSecState for Asia-Pacific Daniel R. Russel is flying in tomorrow with Kristie Kenney, a State Department Counsel and US former ambassador to the Phils (and to Thailand) to chat up some answers and clarifications. 

 

Duterte flies to Japan next week to meet with PM Shinzo Abe and will conclude the visit with an unusual evening one on one chat requested by Abe at the PM's official residence. 

 

(This may be a preview btw of how things further over would look between a pres Trump and Vladimir Putin. )

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[ilostmypassword]

1 hour ago, Publicus said:

 

Ah yes, the old 'running dogs of Yankee imperialism' trick.

 

Yes, the demonstrators who are primarily of the Communist Party of the Philippines Maoist New People's Army and its political Democratic Front -- which has three ministers in the Duterte government -- want U.S. troops out of Mindanao. (Maoist insurrectionists are not connected to Beijing -- they hate the capitalist imperialist panda pretenders in Beijing!)

 

U.S. has been crimping Davao City in Mindanao former Mayor Rodrigo Duterte for a score of years down there. Duterte, who also is involved in the Muslim insurgency in Mindanao and the South wants U.S. special forces advisers out. Conversely, Manila wants the New People's Army out, the Moro insurgents out, the U.S. staying in. Duterte we'll see about.

 

Philippine Senate said today it will hold bi-partisan hearings with an investigation of Pres. Duterte's foreign relations and policies. Supreme Court justice and Phils legal heavyweight Antonio Carpio is talking impeachment. U.S. AsstSecState for Asia-Pacific Daniel R. Russel is flying in tomorrow with Kristie Kenney, a State Department Counsel and US former ambassador to the Phils (and to Thailand) to chat up some answers and clarifications. 

 

Duterte flies to Japan next week to meet with PM Shinzo Abe and will conclude the visit with an unusual evening one on one chat requested by Abe at the PM's official residence. 

 

(This may be a preview btw of how things further over would look between a pres Trump and Vladimir Putin. )

But the fact remains that Duterte is still extraordinarily popular with the Filipino people.  It usually takes a while for thugs like him to crash in popularity. Whether his popularity lasts or not depends mostly on how the economy does. Not whether or not Duterte says nasty things about the USA.

[ilostmypassword]

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[craigt3365]

7 hours ago, ilostmypassword said:

But the fact remains that Duterte is still extraordinarily popular with the Filipino people.  It usually takes a while for thugs like him to crash in popularity. Whether his popularity lasts or not depends mostly on how the economy does. Not whether or not Duterte says nasty things about the USA.

Could be like that nut in Venezuela.  Did ok till oil prices crashed and the people revolted against his crazy policies.

 

China is a tough country to deal with. As has been said before,  details on these new deals are pretty thin.

[Anthony5]

2 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

Could be like that nut in Venezuela.  Did ok till oil prices crashed and the people revolted against his crazy policies.

 

China is a tough country to deal with. As has been said before,  details on these new deals are pretty thin.

Probably because the details are not anyone but China and the Philippines business.

[Morch]

23 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

Could be like that nut in Venezuela.  Did ok till oil prices crashed and the people revolted against his crazy policies.

 

China is a tough country to deal with. As has been said before,  details on these new deals are pretty thin.

 

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/949922-china-pledges-24-billion-in-investment-and-soft-loans-to-the-philippines/

[craigt3365]

1 hour ago, Anthony5 said:

Probably because the details are not anyone but China and the Philippines business.

Do some research on the problems with Chinese projects around the world.  Sinophobia is growing in Central Asia and other regions.

 

http://journal.georgetown.edu/chinese-adventures-in-central-asia-tension-and-opportunity/

 

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For one thing, Sinophobia is spreading among the Kazakh and Kyrgyz societies, where one-third of citizens perceive China as a threat.

 

http://www.sixthtone.com/news/why-anti-chinese-sentiment-africa-rise

[Publicus]

7 hours ago, ilostmypassword said:

But the fact remains that Duterte is still extraordinarily popular with the Filipino people.  It usually takes a while for thugs like him to crash in popularity. Whether his popularity lasts or not depends mostly on how the economy does. Not whether or not Duterte says nasty things about the USA.

 

The obvious is the obvious, yes thx. I for instance note that I am keeping my shirt on -- just so others may know.

 

Trends in economy and finance might provide some clue of where things are going under Pres. Duterte. The early news is good news for the good guyz.

 

The Phils $42 bn in U.S. bonds have already been hit by a 2.3% negative return during the three months since Digong took office with his open mouth policy.

 

And as noted yesterday...

 

Foreign businessmen have expressed concern over President Rodrigo Duterte’s announcement that he would “break up” economic and military ties with the United States of America and has led them either to postpone expansion plans here or leave the country, said a Cebuano business leader.

 

Gordon Alan “Dondi” Joseph, president of the Cebu Business Club, said he received calls from European, American, and Japanese businessmen friends “who cannot understand what is going on and why.”

 

“They are worried and are considering postponing expansion plans and or leaving the Philippines,” he told Cebu Daily News.

Read more: http://cebudailynews.inquirer.net/109415/digong-pronouncements-cause-deep-concern-to-foreign-investors#ixzz4NmoUUHjL 

 

 

Commotion and chaos are central to anything and everything about Digong...

 

As the Philippines’ foreign policy is changing, businessmen are threatened not only for their investments and business, but even for their personal safety, in the midst of a brewing anti-foreigner sentiment.

 

“This perception of theirs is now a reality we have to address. It’s not just their business.

 

"Their customers in the affected countries are even asking why they should buy goods from the Philippines, especially those in Europe,” Joseph said.

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/foreign-policy/asia/rodrigo-duterte-philippines-china-disaster/

 

 

 

Liberal Party Leader, Senator Paolo Benigno "Bam" Aquino IV will hold hearings on the new Duterte foreign policy shifts and concerning Duterte's international relations.

 

“The hearing would reveal the terms of the 13 agreements and memoranda of understanding, including the reported $6 billion in soft loans, $3 billion in credit facilities through private Chinese banks, and the Joint Coastal Guard Committee on Maritime Cooperation in disputed waters, signed during the President’s state visit to China,” Aquino said.

 

The senators said the hearing would call on the departments of Foreign Affairs, Finance, and Trade and Industry to explain the consequences of the President’s latest foreign policy pronouncements on Filipinos living here and abroad.

 

“The Filipino people deserve to know what the official position of the administration is and how these affect the lives of our countrymen residing in all corners of the globe,” the statement further said.

 

http://www.interaksyon.com/article/133566/lp-senators-ask-duterte-to-clarify-intention-to-terminate-us-phl-defense-treaty

 

 

 

Specific details are that the Philippine total external trade in goods for H1 of 2015, according to latest government data, reached $59.6 billion -- with Japan $8.7 billion, China $7.8 billion, and the United States $7.7 billion as the country’s top three trading partners. Approved foreign investments to the country in 2015 was P245 billion, with Netherlands first at P82.7 billion, and Japan and South Korea ranking second and third with investments amounting to P54.7 billion and P23 billion respectively.

 

Phils have more than 10 million overseas Filipino workers who sent US $25.8 billion in remittances last year alone. They include almost 4 million Filipinos in the US. Hong Kong meanwhile denies Residence Visas to Filipinos who qualify on the basis that, well, they don't qualify.

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[craigt3365]

Interesting info.

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/philippine-president-rodrigo-duterte-china-trip-negotiations-2016-10

 

 

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On foreign policy, a June survey of Filipinos found China had a net trust rating of -24, classified as "poor." The US, on the other hand, is generally very popular, with a poll last summer finding 92% approval among Filipinos.

 

[craigt3365]

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/949922-china-pledges-24-billion-in-investment-and-soft-loans-to-the-philippines/

These deals sometimes come with onerous terms. Details not known till the negotiations begin.

[Publicus]

41 minutes ago, Anthony5 said:

Probably because the details are not anyone but China and the Philippines business.

 

It would of course include the Philippine Senate and the Phils' people. The people of the People's Republic haven't any clue of the details and they never do. However, others will have 'em as we must and inevitably do. In the Phils and globally, and rightfully so.

 

Some people are instead like middle school girls who love secrets -- having them and in secretly discovering secrets. 

 

Carry on. 

[Publicus]

27 minutes ago, Anthony5 said:

 

I didn't know that one third was a majority these days, and you consider those 2 countries as a concern?

 

CCP's rejection of the rulings by the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague in respect of the UNILOS has damaged CCP grandiose New Silk Road project to Europe. 

 

Europeans won't cooperate unless CCP makes it a cooperative financial investment, rather than one directed by CCP owned state banks in PRC.

 

Bangkok has said its firm no to CCP tearing a canal through the Isthmus of Kra.

 

India put the kabosh to a Silk Road route through its north which CCP claims is its territory to begin with. CCP looks really focking stupid on this one in particular.

 

Tehran is cold on another proposed Silk Road route through the north of Iran which would transmogrify into a Chinese economic belt in Iran.

 

Russia is cold on a proposed New Silk Road north Asia route through the Stan countries at its borders.

 

CCP rejecting international law in the South China Sea affecting all of Asean to include Taiwan, South Korea, Japan all the way back down to Australia across to India is very scary to everyone.

 

Except to the CCP and its Fanboyz. Mugabe and Duterte are their heroes in Beijing.

[Publicus]

 

Well, its rather obvious CCP Fanboyz can present themselves rather readily and frequently.

 

Anywhere.

[GinBoy2]

I'm all with leaving Duterte to wreak whatever havoc he wants. Totally supportive of withdrawal of all US aid to fight the Islamist insurgency in the South.

 

Now he can go cap in hand to ask for some Chinese counter insurgency support, lets see how that works out for him!

[derator01]

Let's stick to the topic,  please. And show respect to other members. 

[Anthony5]

And so are those that want to spread hatred against any other super power that isn't their country.

[Jingthing]

I find Duterte to be horrible but I'm wondering what the consequences would be to the U.S. if the U.S. just said, fine, goodbye, the relationship is OVER. I realize the reality won't be that radical, but just wondering. 

[Publicus]

Just now, Anthony5 said:

And so are those that want to spread hatred against any other super power that isn't their country.

 

USA is the only global superpower standing.

 

CCP Fanboyz are delusional about this too. All the data prove it. CCP itself doesn't and won't call themselves a superpower. Only the CCP Fanboyz and the America haters do.

 

The wet dreamers.

[Anthony5]

4 minutes ago, Publicus said:

8 minutes ago, Anthony5 said:

And so are those that want to spread hatred against any other super power that isn't their country.

 

USA is the only global superpower standing.

 

CCP Fanboyz are delusional about this too. All the data prove it. CCP itself doesn't and won't call themselves a superpower. Only the CCP Fanboyz and the America haters do.

 

The wet dreamers.

 

 

Thanks for confirming my opinion, I couldn't have stated it better, indeed however there are 4 super powers in the world as far as I'm aware there is only 1 who insist to be recognized as such.

 

The defence has made its case, and retreats hereby, your honor.

 

 

[Publicus]

2 minutes ago, GinBoy2 said:

I'm all with leaving Duterte to wreak whatever havoc he wants. Totally supportive of withdrawal of all US aid to fight the Islamist insurgency in the South.

 

Now he can go cap in hand to ask for some Chinese counter insurgency support, lets see how that works out for him!

 

Duterte is not opposed to the insurgencies occurring long term in the South where he's from.

 

Duterte has always been involved with the insurgencies. He in fact put into his Cabinet three top figures of the Maoist New People's Army of the Philippine communist party which operates in his home province of Mindanao and in Davao where Digong had been mayor for 21 years.

 

Duterte is a practically certified member of the separatist Moro (Muslim) Liberation Front in Mindanao.

 

Duterte isn't going to ask CCP in Beijing for anything to resist 'em -- or other groups like 'em. Duterte wants U.S. special forces troops out of Mindanao because USA supports Manila and the people of Luzon in their opposition to these and all the rebel and separatist groups in the Phils' South.

 

Duterte is leader of the Phils in Manila where the elites have always opposed the military separatist groups in Duterte's home province that continue to have Duterte's open support to create their own state down there. 

 

All of this won't last long for him. Or for them.

[GinBoy2]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I find Duterte to be horrible but I'm wondering what the consequences would be to the U.S. if the U.S. just said, fine, goodbye, the relationship is OVER. I realize the reality won't be that radical, but just wondering. 

There would have been a point in time when it might have been crippling for the US in the region. But, we are at a point in history when Vietnam, which is strategically more important, has regained it's historical collective senses and is as concerned, if not more so, of the dangers of China's expansionist aims.

In my opinion, Hanoi is likely to become a much more useful ally in the region than Manila, at least in the short term so long as Philippino's are having a communal mental breakdown and supporting Duterte.

 

Remember Ho Chi Minh's famous quote during the Indochina wars;

"You fools! Don't you realize what it means if the Chinese remain? Don't you remember your history? The last time the Chinese came, they stayed a thousand years. The French are foreigners. They are weak. Colonialism is dying. The white man is finished in Asia. But if the Chinese stay now, they will never go. As for me, I prefer to sniff French sh**t for five years than to eat Chinese sh**t for the rest of my life"

 

The Vietnamese know from their past what Chinese hegemony means, and they will use whatever means it takes it oppose it, including US military

 

 

[Publicus]

Just now, Anthony5 said:

 

 

Thanks for confirming my opinion, I couldn't have stated it better, indeed however there are 4 super powers in the world as far as I'm aware there is only 1 who insist to be recognized as such.

 

The defence has made its case, and retreats hereby, your honor.

 

 

 

It's a multi-polar world with one superpower.

 

Do try to keep up thanks.

 

You'd need anyway to provide the evidence and data to support your assertion there are four superpowers. Whereas no one disputes USA is a superpower. The superpower -- the as in the moon, or the sun.

 

Produce where Beijing calls itself a superpower. Or the statements of anyone in global organisations or forums where CCP Dictators in Beijing are accepted as a global superpower.

 

Shoot. 

[Publicus]

10 minutes ago, Anthony5 said:

 

 

Thanks for confirming my opinion, I couldn't have stated it better, indeed however there are 4 super powers in the world as far as I'm aware there is only 1 who insist to be recognized as such.

 

The defence has made its case, and retreats hereby, your honor.

 

 

 

Nope.

 

You didn't raise your right hand. 

 

The defense over there continues to daydream too.

 

And you are on defense.

[markusangel]

9 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

Interesting info.
 
http://www.businessinsider.com/philippine-president-rodrigo-duterte-china-trip-negotiations-2016-10
 
 

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On foreign policy, a June survey of Filipinos found China had a net trust rating of -24, classified as "poor." The US, on the other hand, is generally very popular, with a poll last summer finding 92% approval among Filipinos.

 

This is because most Filipinos have kept their mindset "towards the Americans". In the Philippines, Chinese are everywhere, just common citizens, but create huge impact on the business atmosphere.
Young children are told to study harder in order to go to the US. The "American" ambition is seemingly tattooed to most Filipinos' dream since childhood. America means "rich", "good life", "money". This is how children taught.
Chinese are perceived as "rich" but selfish. Also, they are considered as "drug lords".
These peoples are perceived opposites: good vs bad.  In this connection, with the influence of American culture: esp movies Chinese are dramatically viewed as villains, drug addicts, etc "bad" influence while Westerners are the saviors of the day.
Americans molded the mindsets of the Filipinos to look up to them as "heroes" and the "good guys".
But what Duterte does right now is going to untie the blindfold in which the Filipinos are kept to for 7 decades.
For me, I would say that Duterte must have a bad move, but I realized that when oil is gone in the ME, America could be in "trouble". West Philippine Sea has got that.  I have these questions in mind:
WHY IS AMERICA IN TROUBLE WITHOUT THE PHILIPPINES?

WHY PEOPLE (EVEN IN THIS FORUM) ARE TOO OBJECTIVE WITH WHAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE PHILIPPINES CARES ABOUT HIS COUNTRY?

At the end of the day, bashers are still bashers.... but Duterte is still Duterte who loved his people and protect his countrymen from drug addicted idiots.

Just my 2 coins.


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[boomerangutang]

Duterte will give away Phil territory to China for a good back rub.  ....oh, and maybe a cool 5 billion $$'s transferred to a numbered bank account in the Caribbean.

[lostinisaan]

 

         No more short, or long time money coming in. Poverty will increase.