Edward Snowden: ACLU and Amnesty seek presidential pardon

[webfact]

Edward Snowden: ACLU and Amnesty seek presidential pardon

 

WASHINGTON: -- Two of the most prominent human rights organisations in the United States are about to launch a campaign for the presidential pardon of Edward Snowden.

 

The American Civil Liberties Union and Amnesty International are ready to launch the "Pardon Snowden" campaign.

 

They are urging President Barack Obama to act before he leaves office in January 2017.

 

Full story: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37341804

 

-- © Copyright BBC 2016-09-13

[craigt3365]

Better yet, go to the US embassy in Moscow and turn yourself in.  Sadly, his trial would cost millions of dollars.

 

He'll never get a presidential pardon.

[Ulysses G.]

23 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

 

He'll never get a presidential pardon.

 

• I'll forgive him if he brings Hillary Clinton down. 

[bendejo]

I doubt it will happen, but I wish him luck.

 

 

[strawpanda]

And Chelsea Manning?

[craigt3365]

15 minutes ago, strawpanda said:

And Chelsea Manning?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning#Legal_proceedings

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Manning was ultimately charged with 22 offenses, including aiding the enemy, which was the most serious charge and could have resulted in a death sentence.^[

 

Interesting.  So we can blame him and Assange for the problems in Libya, Tunisia, and Syria:

 

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Manning and WikiLeaks were credited as catalysts for the Arab Spring that began in December 2010, when waves of protesters rose up against rulers across the Middle East and North Africa, after the leaked cables exposed government corruption.^[133] In Tunisia, where the uprisings began on December 17, 2010, one of the leaked cables—published around 10 days earlier—showed that the President's daughter and her husband had their ice cream flown in from Saint-Tropez.^[134]

 

And some say these people have caused no damage.

[Emster23]

 Should have waited until after election. Maybe Putin set them up to do this.... Hey if Ford could pardon Nixon, anything is possible

[craigt3365]

5 minutes ago, Emster23 said:

 Should have waited until after election. Maybe Putin set them up to do this.... Hey if Ford could pardon Nixon, anything is possible

Nixon didn't publish state secrets to foreign countries.

[sgtsabai]

Manning, Snowden, along with all whistle blowers, heroes all. Not only should they be pardoned and exonerated but should the awarded the Freedom Medal with a ticker tape parade. We need more like them. Manning will never get out of prison, they will cause his death whether by suicide or other means. Snowden will spend the rest of his life not only in exile but in constant fear. The US will kill him and I'm surprised they haven't hit those that helped him. The real traitors are those that perpetuated an illegal, immoral war and spy on innocent people. Keep GitMo open for those that really belong there. Better yet, a Nuremberg trial for the war criminals who lied the US into a disastrous illegal, immoral war with the same results as Nuremberg.  

[sgtsabai]

Nixon was a traitor. He made a deal with the Vietnamese to not sign the peace treaty with promises of a better deal from the US if he was elected. Johnson found out but didn't have the balls to revel the information. He felt it was too much for the American people, he was WRONG. And yes, before anybody starts, that is all documented and has been public information for years. Many believe that is what Nixon had the "plumbers" actually looking for in Watergate so the evidence could be destroyed.

[JHolmesJr]

Mr Trump will bring him home…hopefully it will be on the back of more reasonable relations with russia.

 

It will be tough, though, with all kinds of people who will try to block it.

 

From a security standpoint, it's better to have him talk to the US rather than the russians….any logical person could see that….except a certain politician who will use Snowden to score points for her hawkish positions.

Edited September 13, 2016 by JHolmesJr

[craigt3365]

37 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

Mr Trump will bring him home…hopefully it will be on the back of more reasonable relations with russia.

 

It will be tough, though, with all kinds of people who will try to block it.

 

From a security standpoint, it's better to have him talk to the US rather than the russians….any logical person could see that….except a certain politician who will use Snowden to score points for her hawkish positions.

Relationships are a 2 way street.  Russia could make some moves that would help (leave Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine, Chechnya, etc).

 

People on both sides block this stuff. Again, it's a 2 way street.

 

Snowden is the one who took off for Hong Kong and then Russia.  How can anyone else be blamed for that?  And this didn't help:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden#Flight_from_the_United_States

 

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While in Hong Kong Snowden told the Post that "the United States government has committed a tremendous number of crimes against Hong Kong. The PRC as well,"^[174] going on to identify Chinese Internet Protocol addresses that the NSA monitored and stating that the NSA collected text-message data for Hong Kong residents. Glenn Greenwald explained the leak as reflecting "a need to ingratiate himself to the people of Hong Kong and China."^[175]

 

He violated the Espionage Act.  That's a big deal, for any country.

[thairay]

who said the truth will se you free?

 

[Skeptic7]

Edward Snowden = HERO

Chelsea Manning = HERO

Julian Assange = HERO

[Srikcir]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

Pardon Snowden" campaign.

A pardon is an executive order vacating a conviction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_or_granted_clemency_by_the_President_of_the_United_States

Snowden wants a pardon before any arrest and conviction. Not going to happen.

[KBsinter]

6 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

A pardon is an executive order vacating a conviction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_or_granted_clemency_by_the_President_of_the_United_States

Snowden wants a pardon before any arrest and conviction. Not going to happen.

Well said,very interesting.

[facthailand]

5 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

Snowden is the one who took off for Hong Kong and then Russia.  How can anyone else be blamed for that? 

 

He violated the Espionage Act.  That's a big deal, for any country.

The question is, why would anyone be blamed for that?!? Crucifixtion ain't pretty--ask Chelsea Manning! Espionage?!? Give me a break! Countries get their knickers in a nationalistic knot when pols should simply have been transparent in the first place.

 

Obama, the Peace Prize prez? There are probably a few corporados and banksters he rather pardon first as his legacy. Talk about a president with ZERO concept of history!

 

OB's real legacy is three trillion on nukes, including battlefield nukes. Dontcha just feel safer already?

[jesimps]

6 hours ago, sgtsabai said:

Nixon was a traitor. He made a deal with the Vietnamese to not sign the peace treaty with promises of a better deal from the US if he was elected. Johnson found out but didn't have the balls to revel the information. He felt it was too much for the American people, he was WRONG. And yes, before anybody starts, that is all documented and has been public information for years. Many believe that is what Nixon had the "plumbers" actually looking for in Watergate so the evidence could be destroyed.

 

Say goodnight to the folks Gracie.

 

 

[jesimps]

There is nothing lower in my book than betraying your country, and despite what you loony lefties say, he did exactly that. He should be given the harshest punishment that the law allows. He's a maggot.

 

 

[Johpa]

6 hours ago, sgtsabai said:

Nixon was a traitor. He made a deal with the Vietnamese to not sign the peace treaty with promises of a better deal from the US if he was elected.

 

 

Clearly a role model for Reagan who had similar traitorous dealings with the Iranians to delay release of the hostages until after the election.

[yellowboat]

39 minutes ago, jesimps said:

There is nothing lower in my book than betraying your country, and despite what you loony lefties say, he did exactly that. He should be given the harshest punishment that the law allows. He's a maggot.

What if the government betrays its people and the Constitution that which it is sworn to uphold ?   This is not a lefty losie, righty tighty debate.  Those who exalt and condemn Snowden's actions are on both sides of the isle.   Your book needs to add a few words from the founding fathers with regards to right to privacy.  You advocate giving up liberty for more security, for which you deserve neither.  He did the world a service and did it out of conviction, not gain. 

[Jingthing]

I doubt Obama will take any action about that, and that's fine by me ... 

[Torrens54]

11 hours ago, strawpanda said:

And Chelsea Manning?

You mean Chelsea De-Manning don't you?

[craigt3365]

8 hours ago, facthailand said:

The question is, why would anyone be blamed for that?!? Crucifixtion ain't pretty--ask Chelsea Manning! Espionage?!? Give me a break! Countries get their knickers in a nationalistic knot when pols should simply have been transparent in the first place.

 

Obama, the Peace Prize prez? There are probably a few corporados and banksters he rather pardon first as his legacy. Talk about a president with ZERO concept of history!

 

OB's real legacy is three trillion on nukes, including battlefield nukes. Dontcha just feel safer already?

I doubt there's a country the world that would praise a citizen for leaking internal state secrets.  It's called espionage for a reason.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espionage

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Espionage (colloquially, spying) is the obtaining of information considered secret or confidential without the permission of the holder of the information.^[1] Espionage can be committed by an individual or a spy ring (a cooperating group of spies), in the service of a government or a company, or operating independently. The practice is inherently clandestine, as it is by definition unwelcome and in many cases illegal and punishable by law. Espionage is a subset of "intelligence" gathering, which includes espionage as well as information gathering from public sources.

 

[Srikcir]

1 hour ago, craigt3365 said:

It's called espionage for a reason.

Remember also that the megadata obtained by Snowden was the result of his planned and deliberate hacking into secured and classified systems using stolen identity's of government agents who were authorized access.

[craigt3365]

56 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

Remember also that the megadata obtained by Snowden was the result of his planned and deliberate hacking into secured and classified systems using stolen identity's of government agents who were authorized access.

Shhhh....this will upset the Snowden supporters.

[Skeptic7]

18 hours ago, yellowboat said:

What if the government betrays its people and the Constitution that which it is sworn to uphold ?   This is not a lefty losie, righty tighty debate.  Those who exalt and condemn Snowden's actions are on both sides of the isle.   Your book needs to add a few words from the founding fathers with regards to right to privacy.  You advocate giving up liberty for more security, for which you deserve neither.  He did the world a service and did it out of conviction, not gain. 

The BEST post/reply EVER! The fact that this post currently has only 2 "Likes" says alot. Either it's not being read or worse...the "sheeple" reading disagree. Regardless, your post should have a thousand "Likes". 

[craigt3365]

54 minutes ago, Skeptic7 said:

The BEST post/reply EVER! The fact that this post currently has only 2 "Likes" says alot. Either it's not being read or worse...the "sheeple" reading disagree. Regardless, your post should have a thousand "Likes". 

Or the fact it only has 2 likes say most don't agree with it. The US government has lots of problems.  Like many other governments around the world.  But it ain't bad.  I'll take it many others any day.

 

Maybe we should read up on the founding fathers:

https://newrepublic.com/article/115307/privacy-vs-national-security-american-debate-james-madison

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The Founding Fathers Vacillated on Government Snooping, Too

 

[Skeptic7]

5 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

Or the fact it only has 2 likes say most don't agree with it. The US government has lots of problems.  Like many other governments around the world.  But it ain't bad.  I'll take it many others any day.

 

Maybe we should read up on the founding fathers:

https://newrepublic.com/article/115307/privacy-vs-national-security-american-debate-james-madison

 

Agreed, we should read up a bit more. The USA was founded on an Act of Treason against Great Britain. The American Revolution was treason. Patrick Henry was quoted saying..."If this be treason, make the most of it!" Benjamin Franklin said they 'should all hang together, or assuredly all would hang separately'.

[Srikcir]

4 hours ago, Skeptic7 said:

"If this be treason, make the most of it!"

But he didn't add, "but I want amnesty."