Exclude Hungary from EU, says Luxembourg's Asselborn

[webfact]

Exclude Hungary from EU, says Luxembourg's Asselborn

 

LUXEMBOURG CITY: -- Luxembourg Foreign Minister Jean Asselborn has called for Hungary to be suspended or even expelled from the European Union because of its "massive violation" of EU fundamental values.

 

He cited the Budapest government's treatment of refugees, independence of the judiciary and freedom of the press.

 

"Hungary is not far away from issuing orders to open fire on refugees," he suggested. EU leaders meet in Slovakia on Friday to discuss the union's future.

 

Full story: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37347352

 

-- © Copyright BBC 2016-09-13

 

[Kerryd]

" He cited the Budapest government's treatment of refugees, independence of the judiciary and freedom of the press. "

 

But they have no problem with Turkey doing even worse. Over 2,000 judges dismissed after the fake coup - not a whisper from the EU. Newspapers shut down, editors "detained" - not a whisper from the EU. 

Oh right, I forgot. Erdogan threatened to "unleash millions of refugees on Europe" if they criticized his handling of matters after the "coup".

 

Little wonder so many think the EU is crumbling. 

[Rancid]

Isn't Luxembourg just some irrelevant little tax dodging haven?

[clockman]

What about corruption in the E.U. costing 800 billion!

[Steely Dan]

Perhaps Luxembourg would care to take the refugees Hungary denies entry to.


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[sirineou]

13 hours ago, Kerryd said:

" He cited the Budapest government's treatment of refugees, independence of the judiciary and freedom of the press. "

 

But they have no problem with Turkey doing even worse. Over 2,000 judges dismissed after the fake coup - not a whisper from the EU. Newspapers shut down, editors "detained" - not a whisper from the EU. 

Oh right, I forgot. Erdogan threatened to "unleash millions of refugees on Europe" if they criticized his handling of matters after the "coup".

 

Little wonder so many think the EU is crumbling. 

Of course they have a problem  with Turkey, that's why Turkey is not a member.

Luxembourg can not ask Turkey to leave the EU because of it's behavior ,  you know why? 

Because Turkey is not a member!! But they can ask Hungary to leave. you know why? Because Hungary is a member.

Not that they will, Asselborn's speech is simple political posturing.

[jaidam]

12 hours ago, Steely Dan said:

Perhaps Luxembourg would care to take the refugees Hungary denies entry to.


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They will have to fight the vatican over this. Must be nice for these economic migrants being in so much demand.

 

 Hungarys Orban is one of the very few that will not face charges(once the madness of PC and extreme leftism ends) of attempting to wipe out his countries traditional inhabitants to make way for the chosen ones and their ideology. In my mind that makes Orban both a hero, and a very brave man to go against the elite and their evil plans.

 

 

[mokwit]

Exclude Brussels from the EU would be better.

[bark]

16 hours ago, Rancid said:

Isn't Luxembourg just some irrelevant little tax dodging haven?

Cute blonde girls.

Hungry should just open its border; and send all the Syrian people to the EU.

[Kerryd]

1 hour ago, sirineou said:

Of course they have a problem  with Turkey, that's why Turkey is not a member.

Luxembourg can not ask Turkey to leave the EU because of it's behavior ,  you know why? 

Because Turkey is not a member!! But they can ask Hungary to leave. you know why? Because Hungary is a member.

Not that they will, Asselborn's speech is simple political posturing.

 

I didn't say anything about why they aren't asking Turkey to leave the EU because I know Turkey isn't a member.

 

I was noting that he was criticizing Hungary over their treatment of refugees, independence of the judiciary and freedom of the press, while apparently keeping silent on Turkey's handling of the same issues.

 

Turkey isn't a member because of the 35 accession chapters needed to be closed in order for them to join, only 15 have been opened and only 1 has been closed (completed) since 1987 (when Turkey applied for EEC membership).

Erdogan has stated he expects Turkey to be a full member by 2023 (despite the little progress made on the 34 accession chapters that need to be closed before then).

(In June 2016 David Cameron claimed it would take until the year 3000 before Turkey could join.)

 

Also from June 2016:

"Then there’s Turkey. Cameron wanted to tie a vast, largely Muslim Nato member on the doorstep of the Middle East to Europe, but there was little question of membership five years ago, let alone after Erdogan unleashed a wave of repression against journalists and academics. Accession talks with Turkey were "re-energised" as a reward for halting the migrant crisis.

The "re-energising" of moribund accession talks this month was a low-cost bribe handed to Erdogan to wave at his voters, in exchange for it halting the flow of migrants over the Mediterranean. "

 

So they hold out the "apple" of EU membership (and bury criticism) as a reward for not unleashing more hordes of migrants/refugees on Europe. (I just noted myself that the reporter who wrote the bit above mentions Erdogan's crackdown on journalists and academics, was writing about those crackdowns before the "coup". Things only got worse afterwards.)

 

No worries though. If the EU votes against granting Turkey visa-free travel in the Schengen area like it has been demanding, Turkey will stop honouring a (separate) agreement regarding refugees and migrants. A senior deputy in the Turkish AKP party (Erdogan's party) tweeted in May: 

"The European Parliament will discuss the report that will open up visa-free travel in Europe to Turkish citizens. If it makes the wrong decision, we will send the migrants back!” he wrote.

He also told Bloomberg: “If Turkey’s doors are opened, Europe would be miserable.”

Supposedly, if Turkey's demands are not met by mid-October, they will begin sending back (to Europe) all the "refugees" and "migrants" that had been sent back to Turkey under that other agreement.

 

(Side note: As of mid-2015, Hungary was taking in considerably fewer refugees than many other EU countries, but that was before the "flood" of illegal migrants started pouring in. Of "legal" refugees, Hungary seems to have taken in just under 4,200 in the first half of 2015, or around .42 refugees per 1,000 citizens. Meanwhile, tiny Luxembourg had taken in just under 1,200 in the same period, or around 2.14 refugees per 1,000 citizens. Numerous other EU nations have taken in even fewer refugees than Hungary (as of mid-2015) including Spain, Slovakia, Croatia, Poland, Portugal and the Czech Republic to name a few. Some have taken in huge numbers like Sweden - 14.6 refugees per 1,000 citizens. Norway - 9.14/1,000. Switzerland - 8.14, Austria - 7.13. Germany was at 3.14, but the numbers they had taken in (250,000 at that time) equalled the combined total for Sweden, Norway and Switzerland.)

Keep in mind that those numbers are for "legal" refugees and don't include the vast numbers of illegal refugees and migrants.

[hEaDy]

RIP EU / Merkel / NWO - Good Riddance!

[timber]

Don't know enough to comment on the statements, but have a feeling Merkel has something to do with this.

[tomacht8]

Such types as Asselborn are the reason that the EU is not working.  Mendacious and twisted.  He is talking about EU fundamental values.

With his tax policy he steals for decades from all other EU Member States.  In Luxembourg there are more mailboxes than houses.  All big corporations save enormous taxes with their mailboxes in Luxembourg.

A real lying politician, which wants to deflect under the guise of the do-gooders of his deeds.  It would be better for all EU Member States to kick out Luxembourg from the EU.

And thanks to the Balkan states, which curbed a bit the flooding of Europe with a foreign culture and penetrating into our social systems.  The cost of this wave of immigration for the EU societies are enormous and nearly as high as Luxembourg steals with his tax policy from the national budgets of the other EU countries yearly.

Here you can see the true European spirit of Asselborn and Co.  Luxembourg leaks: 343 global companies with secret tax agreements with Luxembourg.
Source after the video is in English.
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/wirtschaft/luxemburg-leaks-klicken-sie-sich-durch-die-geheimdokumente-1.2207307

 

[Grouse]

Too much tripe on here

 

However, maybe Hungary should join Austria ?

[drbamboo]

The evolution of EU is from an idea to the nightmare.

Hungary and some other countries would be benefited to get rid of alcoholic and degraded  "leaders" of the EU.

Eu was the only organization of a kind  of which leaders haven't finished their secondary schools.

The politicians uncomfortable  or useless in their own country  are "deployed" to the EU...... shame 

[Baerboxer]

8 hours ago, sirineou said:

Of course they have a problem  with Turkey, that's why Turkey is not a member.

Luxembourg can not ask Turkey to leave the EU because of it's behavior ,  you know why? 

Because Turkey is not a member!! But they can ask Hungary to leave. you know why? Because Hungary is a member.

Not that they will, Asselborn's speech is simple political posturing.

 

Luxembourg has no right whatsoever to suggest any member state to leave. If I'm wrong then please quote me the appropriate EU Law that gives them that right.

 

A pisspot tiny country with a cracker head left-wing politician trying to pretend he and they are important. One of the issues with the EU is the desire of left wing politicians to allow dictatorial powers for the EU Commission and override sovereign member states own legislation and parliaments.

Luxembourg is sweet fa. A little tax dodge for corporations. But in the EU they think they have some power. Just how many refugees has Luxembourg taken? What is the size of their proposed quota?

 Perhaps Hungary should urge Luxembourg to leave for being party to tax avoidance?

 

Turkey is trying to bully its way into the EU. Merkel makes promises on behalf of the EU without any consultation with member states. Just like she invited the migrants without consulting the German parliament. When the rest of EU won't deliver her promises Ergogan gets pissed off and threatens to let more migrants flow; contrary to international law. Then he wonders why he ain't just being allowed in.

[alocacoc]

They can't wait to destroy the EU. Better today than tomorrow. Morons.

[GaryAdriaenssens]

Look who's talking, the "righteous" NAZI rulers of the EU....

[sirineou]

6 hours ago, Kerryd said:

 

I didn't say anything about why they aren't asking Turkey to leave the EU because I know Turkey isn't a member.

 

I was noting that he was criticizing Hungary over their treatment of refugees, independence of the judiciary and freedom of the press, while apparently keeping silent on Turkey's handling of the same issues.

 

Turkey isn't a member because of the 35 accession chapters needed to be closed in order for them to join, only 15 have been opened and only 1 has been closed (completed) since 1987 (when Turkey applied for EEC membership).

Erdogan has stated he expects Turkey to be a full member by 2023 (despite the little progress made on the 34 accession chapters that need to be closed before then).

(In June 2016 David Cameron claimed it would take until the year 3000 before Turkey could join.)

 

Also from June 2016:

"Then there’s Turkey. Cameron wanted to tie a vast, largely Muslim Nato member on the doorstep of the Middle East to Europe, but there was little question of membership five years ago, let alone after Erdogan unleashed a wave of repression against journalists and academics. Accession talks with Turkey were "re-energised" as a reward for halting the migrant crisis.

The "re-energising" of moribund accession talks this month was a low-cost bribe handed to Erdogan to wave at his voters, in exchange for it halting the flow of migrants over the Mediterranean. "

 

So they hold out the "apple" of EU membership (and bury criticism) as a reward for not unleashing more hordes of migrants/refugees on Europe. (I just noted myself that the reporter who wrote the bit above mentions Erdogan's crackdown on journalists and academics, was writing about those crackdowns before the "coup". Things only got worse afterwards.)

 

No worries though. If the EU votes against granting Turkey visa-free travel in the Schengen area like it has been demanding, Turkey will stop honouring a (separate) agreement regarding refugees and migrants. A senior deputy in the Turkish AKP party (Erdogan's party) tweeted in May: 

"The European Parliament will discuss the report that will open up visa-free travel in Europe to Turkish citizens. If it makes the wrong decision, we will send the migrants back!” he wrote.

He also told Bloomberg: “If Turkey’s doors are opened, Europe would be miserable.”

Supposedly, if Turkey's demands are not met by mid-October, they will begin sending back (to Europe) all the "refugees" and "migrants" that had been sent back to Turkey under that other agreement.

 

(Side note: As of mid-2015, Hungary was taking in considerably fewer refugees than many other EU countries, but that was before the "flood" of illegal migrants started pouring in. Of "legal" refugees, Hungary seems to have taken in just under 4,200 in the first half of 2015, or around .42 refugees per 1,000 citizens. Meanwhile, tiny Luxembourg had taken in just under 1,200 in the same period, or around 2.14 refugees per 1,000 citizens. Numerous other EU nations have taken in even fewer refugees than Hungary (as of mid-2015) including Spain, Slovakia, Croatia, Poland, Portugal and the Czech Republic to name a few. Some have taken in huge numbers like Sweden - 14.6 refugees per 1,000 citizens. Norway - 9.14/1,000. Switzerland - 8.14, Austria - 7.13. Germany was at 3.14, but the numbers they had taken in (250,000 at that time) equalled the combined total for Sweden, Norway and Switzerland.)

Keep in mind that those numbers are for "legal" refugees and don't include the vast numbers of illegal refugees and migrants.

there are many countries that do not treat refugees well , Turkey being one of them, and he does not criticizes any of them, because they are not  EU members and have not agreed to abide by EU regulations. He criticized Hungary and it's disregard of EU regulations as it pertains to the treatment of refugees because to gain membership agreed to abide by these regulation, and is not performing as per agreement.   I am sure there is a process with in the agreement to determine who is and is not a legal refugee.

[Ulic]

On ‎13‎/‎09‎/‎2016 at 3:15 AM, webfact said:

Luxembourg Foreign Minister Jean Asselborn

A pompous, dufus, as far as I am concerned.  

[otherstuff1957]

I think the real question here is 'what degree of divergence from the EU mainstream is allowed?'.  Are EU governments expected to limit their platforms to match the EU standards?  If so, how different can political ideas be?  

[daveAustin]

Glad to see things are still ticketyboo in the EU. I think everyone should be thrown out, starting with Luxembourg... where's that again? Let the immigrants have the continent, it's beyond the point of no return anyway. Used to be a cool place.

[SgtRock]

17 minutes ago, otherstuff1957 said:

I think the real question here is 'what degree of divergence from the EU mainstream is allowed?'.  Are EU governments expected to limit their platforms to match the EU standards?  If so, how different can political ideas be?  

 

Nation States are required to be totally subservient to the EU, As per Junckers speech yesterday

 

Quote

He said: "Far too often national interests are brought to the fore.

"We shouldn't misunderstand this - European integration must not bow to the interests of the nation state. Europe cannot become a colourless melting pot."

 

http://news.sky.com/story/jean-claude-juncker-calls-for-eu-to-stick-together-after-brexit-10577421

 

For all the ills that are currently besetting the EU, the answer is always the same.

 

Further Political and Monetary Union until Nation States cease to exist and the EU Federal State rules supreme.

[SgtRock]

3 minutes ago, SgtRock said:

 

Nation States are required to be totally subservient to the EU, As per Junckers speech yesterday

 

 

http://news.sky.com/story/jean-claude-juncker-calls-for-eu-to-stick-together-after-brexit-10577421

 

For all the ills that are currently besetting the EU, the answer is always the same.

 

Further Political and Monetary Union until Nation States cease to exist and the EU Federal State rules supreme.

 

And to further emphasize the point.

 

Here is the EU's Chief Brexit negotiator:

 

Quote

Federalist and chief negotiator of Brexit talks for the Parliament, Guy Verhofstadt said Europe must reinvent itself, and called for more integration. 

 

Quote

They believe that with walls and fences we can solve the problem. How (do) you keep terrorists outside your borders? You can only do that with supra-national policies and supra-national instruments in the future.”

 

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/942953-brexit-fallout-dominates-debate-in-european-parliament/

 

[drbamboo]

Exclude Hungary from EU, says Luxembourg's Assaselborn

 

This man is not as ass in reality, but not even he  knows this