Court sets October 11 to rule bail revocation of five redshirt leaders

[tbthailand]

5 hours ago, halloween said:

 

The actions mentioned are not the crimes that these scum are charged with, merely bail conditions that they have broken on numerous occasions over the last 6 years.

Of course you would prefer to forget their actual crimes, or that justice was delayed by appointing them as PTP party list MPs as a reward for committing them.

I recall quite well.  I also recall who has been charged and thrown in jail and who has become 'PM'... It's a throwback to the '60s....

 

But to the point of bail violations, ... The current occupants of the clown car find that talking about corruption park is a violation of bail conditions. Do these acts in your eyes break the conditions of their bail?

 

That is a question to you. please feel free to respond and justify you position. 

 

And when finished, go hug a general... we already know what you "think"

[JAG]

5 hours ago, scorecard said:

 

 

And you conveniently fail to mention why they are protesting.  All about land and their specific points go back decades and not at all specific to the current government.

 

You might also like to note that many posters on TV label them as squatters who are not entitled to the land they squat on. Is it as simple as that? No, and I hope ultimately there is some progress on this issue. And I also hope things get speeded up to remove land from nasty previous / current scaly politicians.  And someone will be quick to add '... what about Sutheps' family? Well just a reminder last week his son got 2 years jail for land stuff and possibly more coming. 

 

Quote: "...and as "Alive" suggests that is, in the current climate, rather significant."  Got nothing to do whatever with the current environment. Just a few posters who are determined to twist anything they can hoping it paints a negatives about the current government. 

 

They were protesting to the Junta Government about their reaction to the protestors long running concerns, which are as valid now as they were under previous governments. That seems pretty specific to me.

 

They were protesting despite such acts being banned by the junta. That also seems pretty relevant.

 

For those two points it has everything to do with the Junta Government, and is significant in the current climate.

 

I'm really not interested in how some posters on this forum label them. I am interested in whether the Junta Government will hold to its stated aim of working for all the people of this country, and make some attempt to address their complaints.

 

Nothing was twisted, and as for painting the Junta Government in a negative light, no need, they seem to be managing well enough themselves.

 

Edited October 4, 2016 by JAG

[Baerboxer]

5 hours ago, oldsailor35 said:

According to your thinking, anybody who is in politics and not on your side are criminals. What  a dictatorial muppet you appear to be.

 

Not sure how you conclude that. Jatuporn and Nattawut are on bail for charges when they, and plenty of video evidence, clearly were inciting people to commit violent and criminal acts to further the political aims of their boss. 

 

The real issue is why the judicial process is so inept that their cases haven't been heard yet and that they have on many previous occasions broke their bail conditions with impunity.

 

As always, the criminals and politicos are above the law and actually being dealt with expeditiously.

[Baerboxer]

2 hours ago, tbthailand said:

I recall quite well.  I also recall who has been charged and thrown in jail and who has become 'PM'... It's a throwback to the '60s....

 

But to the point of bail violations, ... The current occupants of the clown car find that talking about corruption park is a violation of bail conditions. Do these acts in your eyes break the conditions of their bail?

 

That is a question to you. please feel free to respond and justify you position. 

 

And when finished, go hug a general... we already know what you "think"

 

Some of these well paid stooges broke their bail conditions in the past but that was overlooked.

 

Interesting you make no comment that people facing serious charges of inciting criminal behavior are put on a party list and afforded the protection of being an MP. 

 

Or do you want to deny they ever did any wrong too?

[Baerboxer]

4 hours ago, oldsailor35 said:

Neither do i. They should just be considered as free people standing up for their rights under a democracy which is non existant.

 

Very democratic to incite people to commit criminal acts so that your criminal boss might gain power through various proxies. 

 

Do you believe that their charges should be dropped then? Seeing as how they are non democratically elected members of a pseudo political pressure group who acts as a pressure group for one particular family's interests?

 

[Baerboxer]

3 hours ago, JAG said:

Quite possibly what will happen to many of them...

 

I doubt that. But those facing charges from years ago should have their cases expedited. Not fair to have cases hanging over them. 

[Baerboxer]

4 hours ago, halloween said:

So I imagined the fires in Bangkok? The black shirts, Seh Daeng, and all the other crap going on?

 

You must realize by now that the Shin fans only have selective memory.

[scorecard]

5 hours ago, oldsailor35 said:

Neither do i. They should just be considered as free people standing up for their rights under a democracy which is non existant.

 

 

Whats' your point, with some logic, please?

[halloween]

4 hours ago, tbthailand said:

I recall quite well.  I also recall who has been charged and thrown in jail and who has become 'PM'... It's a throwback to the '60s....

 

But to the point of bail violations, ... The current occupants of the clown car find that talking about corruption park is a violation of bail conditions. Do these acts in your eyes break the conditions of their bail?

 

That is a question to you. please feel free to respond and justify you position. 

 

And when finished, go hug a general... we already know what you "think"

IIRC their original bail conditions included refraining from political activity. Quite difficult for a MP, even more so for a mercenary rabble-rouser. Which is why some were allowed continued bail due to the parliamentary immunity, while Jatuporn faced revocation on a number of occasions.

Sadly, their parliamentary immunity is a thing of the past, so now revocation is quite reasonable. I wish them a speedy trial, and hopefully an execution to match.

[tbthailand]

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Some of these well paid stooges broke their bail conditions in the past but that was overlooked.

 

Interesting you make no comment that people facing serious charges of inciting criminal behavior are put on a party list and afforded the protection of being an MP. 

 

Or do you want to deny they ever did any wrong too?

let's talk about the military killing scores of people in cold blood... and the fact that no one has faced any charges ....  How does that compare to what these people did? 

[tbthailand]

8 minutes ago, halloween said:

and hopefully an execution to match.

well, your true colors are showing, .... 

[halloween]

2 minutes ago, tbthailand said:

let's talk about the military killing scores of people in cold blood... and the fact that no one has faced any charges ....  How does that compare to what these people did? 

What you mean is, please change the subject.

[sweatalot]

8 hours ago, oldsailor35 said:

Neither do i. They should just be considered as free people standing up for their rights under a democracy which is non existant.

dream on. Thailand never had a real democracy. Only the cleptocratic pigs filling their stomach with the people's land and  money while calling their self-service system democracy to delude the world and guys like you. And those red shirt leaders stand for exactly that. They  deserve to rot in jail. Compared to previous governments the present one is the best Thailand ever had. 

[tbthailand]

4 hours ago, halloween said:

What you mean is, please change the subject.

no, what I mean is "let's  get some perspective and see if you care at all about human life ... besides your own".

 

Tell me, mister squash'um,  what was Jutaporn charged with in the first place, ... ? do you even know? And I mean in detail. And how many people did he kill? hmm, zero. And how much time did he already spend in jail? almost a year? And that without a trial, ... 

 

And who was in charge of the military in 2010 and the "clean up"? And how many people were killed by the military? And even found by the courts to have been kill by the military?  And who has even ever been arrested for that?

 

Oh, and for the OP, their conditions of bail were to not incite violence and disorder... the conditions did not have to do with "not engaging in political activity".... 

 

So what do you think - is human life (other than your own) of ANY importance to you?

[trogers]

On 10/03/2016 at 7:06 PM, scorecard said:

 

 

People are already on the streets. please share some specifics of your substantive statement.

 

Diversion will not suffice.

 

People were already on the streets since August, for Pokemon Go.

[aussieinthailand]

12 hours ago, halloween said:

IIRC their original bail conditions included refraining from political activity. Quite difficult for a MP, even more so for a mercenary rabble-rouser. Which is why some were allowed continued bail due to the parliamentary immunity, while Jatuporn faced revocation on a number of occasions.

Sadly, their parliamentary immunity is a thing of the past, so now revocation is quite reasonable. I wish them a speedy trial, and hopefully an execution to match.

"parliamentary immunity",,,,        try    parliamentary privilege,  and that only applies in parliament,   now you got them big words out of the way.

If they have breached their bail conditions then back to court it should be, simple no bias, but that's not how the junta like to play.

 

"mercenary rabble rouser"   ok so Suthep publicly telling people to go and take politician's and that they should take care of their family's wives and their kids because it could be dangerous is ok, 

Here have these bullet's,   they really do the trick on them red shirts....

 

[Srikcir]

7 hours ago, tbthailand said:

 And who has even ever been arrested for that?

Please excuse the detailed background (albeit I still leftout a lot of detail)  but it does reflect on the cases under discussion:

 

On or about 2012-08-27former PM Abhisit and former Deputy PM Suthep appeared before DSI inquiry panel to testify regarding the Democrat-led government’s crackdown on Red Shirt protesters during the April-May 2010 anti-government political demonstrations in Bangkok during which 91 people were killed.

On or about December 12, 2013 Both Abhisit and Suthep were indicted for murder because they issued orders that resulted in murder and attempted murder of protesters and bystanders by the security forces. Both were subsequently released on bail. No one in the military was charged.

In August 2014 the Criminal Court dismissed the charges against Abhisit and Suthep because it did not have jurisdiction to hear the case - Abhisit Suthep were holders of public office at the time and acting under Abhisit’s emergency decree. In February 2016 the Appeals Court upheld the dismissal, ruling that Abhisit and Suthep issued crackdown orders not as individuals but as authorized officials empowered by laws. The two cases would have to be referred to the Supreme Court's Criminal Division for Holders of Political Positions for a conviction. It doesn’t appear that the referral was made.

In connection with DSI’s charges, NACC also charged both with abuse of power for excessive use of force against civilians in the operation. It would then be Prayut’s junta-appointed legislature to vote on whether to impeach the former Democrat Party politicians and thereby ban them from politics for five years. In December 2015 NACC dismissed charges of malfeasance against Abhisit and all others accused as complicit in the crackdown. And so NACC’s impeachment petition against Abhisit and Suthep were dismissed.

[halloween]

7 hours ago, tbthailand said:

no, what I mean is "let's  get some perspective and see if you care at all about human life ... besides your own".

 

Tell me, mister squash'um,  what was Jutaporn charged with in the first place, ... ? do you even know? And I mean in detail. And how many people did he kill? hmm, zero. And how much time did he already spend in jail? almost a year? And that without a trial, ... 

 

And who was in charge of the military in 2010 and the "clean up"? And how many people were killed by the military? And even found by the courts to have been kill by the military?  And who has even ever been arrested for that?

 

Oh, and for the OP, their conditions of bail were to not incite violence and disorder... the conditions did not have to do with "not engaging in political activity".... 

 

So what do you think - is human life (other than your own) of ANY importance to you?

 

You seem to have your own version of history, without the inconvenience of reality. Jatuporn was charged with terrorism due to his mercenary actions on behalf of the Shinawatras (who remain his only source of income), spreading propaganda and inciting of insurrection and arson.

The charge is supported by ample evidence.

How much time did he spend in jail - for this or other crimes? He did break his bail conditions but was spared incarceration by being (illegally) appointed as a MP. Many people spend time in jail waiting trial, he had his bail paid and was made a MP.

How many people did he personally kill? Probably none, how many did Abhisit kill? You are quite willing to claim he is a murderer though.

" Several conditions came with their bail, including one that they should not incite violence or unrest. " Can't link.  "  a condition of his bail prohibiting him from disseminating information in a way that may damage court procedures. " http://pattayatoday.net/news/thailand-news/jatuporns-bail-reviewed-today/

It seems there are quite a few bail provisions. If you have a full list, feel free to provide it.

 

BTW It would seem I would have much more respect for life than those who would pay stooges to protest while their rabble-rousers incite hatred, and their mercenary troops kill and wound security forces to provoke violent response, all in the protest for the loss of stolen wealth.

[halloween]

21 minutes ago, aussieinthailand said:

"parliamentary immunity",,,,        try    parliamentary privilege,  and that only applies in parliament,   now you got them big words out of the way.

If they have breached their bail conditions then back to court it should be, simple no bias, but that's not how the junta like to play.

 

"mercenary rabble rouser"   ok so Suthep publicly telling people to go and take politician's and that they should take care of their family's wives and their kids because it could be dangerous is ok, 

Here have these bullet's,   they really do the trick on them red shirts....

 

Try to show your ignorance so clearly. Parliamentary privilege invokes immunity from prosecution for libel for statements made in parliament, and is quite common. Thailand MPs have immunity from any prosecution for anything, during the parliamentary term. It applies to ALL MPs.

It seems BIG words are not your strong suit.

Back to court is where they are going. breach of bail is decided by a court after complaint has been made. DOH!

What does your "But, but Suthep......." have to do with Jatuporn?

[Srikcir]

2 minutes ago, halloween said:

Can't link because it was against forum rules. Which you have just broken.

Thanks for the notice.

[aussieinthailand]

18 minutes ago, halloween said:

Try to show your ignorance so clearly. Parliamentary privilege invokes immunity from prosecution for libel for statements made in parliament, and is quite common. Thailand MPs have immunity from any prosecution for anything, during the parliamentary term. It applies to ALL MPs.

It seems BIG words are not your strong suit.

Back to court is where they are going. breach of bail is decided by a court after complaint has been made. DOH!

What does your "But, but Suthep......." have to do with Jatuporn?

"Try to show your ignorance so clearly." 

Ok my bad, you being the expert on Thai political terms of reference like   "parliamentary immunity" not parliamentary privilege.

 Whoopdy dooo...

I'm quite ok with them going back too court for breach of bail conditions.

 

" What dose your But but Suthep....... have to do with Jatuporn?"   You used the words "mercenary rabble rouser",  I likened it with Suthep and his callings for PTP politician's to be taken and their family's to be taken away because it could be dangerous form them. But you seem not to have a problem with that...

 

[tbthailand]

7 hours ago, halloween said:

 

You seem to have your own version of history, without the inconvenience of reality. Jatuporn was charged with terrorism due to his mercenary actions on behalf of the Shinawatras (who remain his only source of income), spreading propaganda and inciting of insurrection and arson.

The charge is supported by ample evidence.

How much time did he spend in jail - for this or other crimes? He did break his bail conditions but was spared incarceration by being (illegally) appointed as a MP. Many people spend time in jail waiting trial, he had his bail paid and was made a MP.

How many people did he personally kill? Probably none, how many did Abhisit kill? You are quite willing to claim he is a murderer though.

" Several conditions came with their bail, including one that they should not incite violence or unrest. " Can't link.  "  a condition of his bail prohibiting him from disseminating information in a way that may damage court procedures. " http://pattayatoday.net/news/thailand-news/jatuporns-bail-reviewed-today/

It seems there are quite a few bail provisions. If you have a full list, feel free to provide it.

 

BTW It would seem I would have much more respect for life than those who would pay stooges to protest while their rabble-rousers incite hatred, and their mercenary troops kill and wound security forces to provoke violent response, all in the protest for the loss of stolen wealth.

boy, you are so full of yourself.

 

Jatuporn was accused of "terrorism" for giving speeches. 

 

The military, on the other hand, mowed down about 5 dozen people in cold blood during six days. Not a single military person / general has spent a jail for that, much less arrested. In fact the guy who was in charge during that time is now a self-appointed PM.

 

BTW, you do realize that the MIB were military and that was all about inter-military factional fighting, don't you? I mean it has been 6 1/2 years, you have had ample time to figure it out, .... 

[halloween]

1 hour ago, tbthailand said:

boy, you are so full of yourself.

 

Jatuporn was accused of "terrorism" for giving speeches. 

 

The military, on the other hand, mowed down about 5 dozen people in cold blood during six days. Not a single military person / general has spent a jail for that, much less arrested. In fact the guy who was in charge during that time is now a self-appointed PM.

 

BTW, you do realize that the MIB were military and that was all about inter-military factional fighting, don't you? I mean it has been 6 1/2 years, you have had ample time to figure it out, .... 

Is that the new 'red' history " inter-military factional fighting"? Soldiers that were allowed free passage through the red camps, to the extent of appearing on stage - even you can't be that self-delusional.

[Eric Loh]

37 minutes ago, halloween said:

Is that the new 'red' history " inter-military factional fighting"? Soldiers that were allowed free passage through the red camps, to the extent of appearing on stage - even you can't be that self-delusional.

 

Major General Khattiya did indeed allowed free passage through the red camps. Now who is self-delusional or just a case of denial. 

[tbthailand]

1 hour ago, halloween said:

Is that the new 'red' history " inter-military factional fighting"? Soldiers that were allowed free passage through the red camps, to the extent of appearing on stage - even you can't be that self-delusional.

look, guy, if you do not know the first thing about Thailand and its society, then (1) maybe you should stop proving that with your posts, and (2) your avatar is amazingly appropriate.

[halloween]

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

 

Major General Khattiya did indeed allowed free passage through the red camps. Now who is self-delusional or just a case of denial. 

Yes the general wasn't a rogue in the employ of the Shinawatras, he was just a naughty boy.

[halloween]

47 minutes ago, tbthailand said:

look, guy, if you do not know the first thing about Thailand and its society, then (1) maybe you should stop proving that with your posts, and (2) your avatar is amazingly appropriate.

[Eric Loh]

19 minutes ago, halloween said:

Yes the general wasn't a rogue in the employ of the Shinawatras, he was just a naughty boy.

 

He was an opponent of the 2006 coup and vowed to stop future coup. If that is your reason why you describe him as a rogue, then you fully earn your keep as a junta sympathizer. 

[halloween]

12 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

 

He was an opponent of the 2006 coup and vowed to stop future coup. If that is your reason why you describe him as a rogue, then you fully earn your keep as a junta sympathizer. 

Ah yes! The reason for the 2010 "protest" was the coup 4 years earlier, after 2 governments and 3 PMs. It had nothing to do with Thaksin's money being taken.

The lies you people tell yourself, apparently often enough that you even believe you own BS, are literally incredible. There was no red violence, no mercenary blackshirts, no hate speeches or inciting of violence and arson, no payment for protesters, no explosives rounds fired, soldiers killed each other, and we dun nuffink rong.

Edited October 6, 2016 by halloween

[Nickymaster]

These clowns should be locked up for ever for all the terror they have caused. They are Thaksin's propaganda puppets. They claim to be fighting for the poor but in reality used them to fight the army and anybody who tried to stop them from plundering the state coffers. This whole thing is so sickening.


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