May ready for tough talks over Brexit

[AlexRich]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

If you like tips here's another one: posters should not assume that they know the status of other posters nor call them deliberate liars.  

 

Back on topic, I see that the EU is apparently plotting to scrap any budget rebates from its contributors. 

If someone lies about you deliberately ... what do you call them?

 

[AlexRich]

15 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

If that's true, what does that tell you about the state of it's finances once the UK has brexited? And it also explains why it's making it's off-the-scale moon unit claim for a brexit bill. It also shows that it is not terribly optimistic about actually getting any substantial money from said claim.

 

Fingers crossed that it's globalist media friends can manoevre the hapless Corbyn into a weak coalition so that brexit can be reversed, and then said globalist media can turn on Corbyn after about a year and get a newly compliant Conservative government elected .

 

Captain Mainwaring doesn't seem to understand that Corbyn wants Brexit much more than May does! And always has done.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, AlexRich said:

If someone lies about you deliberately ... what do you call them?

 

Well anyone from the remain side could call them Boris!

[jpinx]

5 hours ago, Johnyo said:

 

 

These old folks think of themselves as expats not immigrants. Somehow it's makes them feel more important and self entitled.


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"Expats" and "Immigrants" are ill-used descriptions with no real meaning, so posters bandy them around as suits their purpose.  Even the bbc had a diclaimer about their use of "immigrants" on their pages that needed clarification for a while, maybe it's still there.  It's a similar misuse of language as the words "population", "electorate" and  "people"  were subject to a few posts back.   Posters try to mask their prejudices behind the inappropriate use of certain words, especially in comparison situations.

 

The vast majority of westerners in Thailand get NON-IMMIGRANT stamped everywhere in their passports and on their entry visas (unless you have jumped through the considerable hoops to upgrade to anything more permanent like citizenship.  The fact that a lot of the old folks can extend their non-immigrant status year after year does not change their legal position, they are still not living in thailand under anything other than a temporary basis, albeit they might feel they are because Thailand will extend other privileges like condo ownership under special conditions,  driving licenses, and even an ID card in some cases, but their status will always be non-immigrant - i.e. temporary based on extensions. 

 

Claiming any "rights" as an immigrant is facile.  They are here by invitation and any privileges are given and taken away by their hosts for whatever reason they see fit.  In their home country they will have a similar situation, applied in different ways, but essentially someone is allowed or even encouraged to into the country under whatever conditions apply, and they are expected to abide by the rules which exist at the time.

 

Expat has always been a misnomer.  Is it short for ex-patriot?  So now all the expats are no longer patriotic to their homeland?  Why does it only see to apply to ex-colonial powers?  UK-ites are most commonly called expats, but USamericans are variously called expat, gringo or yank depending on where they are.  Why do UK people not get called expat when they go to Germany, France, etc?  It's all suitably muddled to be a happy hatching-ground for pointless arguments that do not further the topic being debated, since clarity of expression is the fundamental requirement of reaching a happy difference of opinion. 

Edited June 3, 2017 by jpinx

[dick dasterdly]

2 hours ago, AlexRich said:

 

Captain Mainwaring doesn't seem to understand that Corbyn wants Brexit much more than May does! And always has done.

If that is true, then surely Corbyn should have made it clear in the party manifesto - instead of relying on 'my party will reach a good deal' - without any specifics as to how he would ensure this?  Particularly as it was mostly Labour voter areas that voted leave in the referendum?

[dick dasterdly]

5 hours ago, Johnyo said:

 

 

These old folks think of themselves as expats not immigrants. Somehow it's makes them feel more important and self entitled.


Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app

 

 

Disagree entirely.

 

Yes, I think of myself as an expat as there is no chance that I'd ever be granted 'immigrant' status in Thailand.  It certainly doesn't make me "feel more important and self entitled"!  If anything, the opposite....

 

I know that I can only remain here as long as I bring in sufficient income - and even then, I'm not entitled to take any job available or entitled to free health care etc.

[dick dasterdly]

15 minutes ago, jpinx said:

"Expats" and "Immigrants" are ill-used descriptions with no real meaning, so posters bandy them around as suits their purpose.  Even the bbc had a diclaimer about their use of "immigrants" on their pages that needed clarification for a while, maybe it's still there.  It's a similar misuse of language as the words "population", "electorate" and  "people"  were subject to a few posts back.   Posters try to mask their prejudices behind the inappropriate use of certain words, especially in comparison situations.

 

The vast majority of westerners in Thailand get NON-IMMIGRANT stamped everywhere in their passports and on their entry visas (unless you have jumped through the considerable hoops to upgrade to anything more permanent like citizenship.  The fact that a lot of the old folks can extend their non-immigrant status year after year does not change their legal position, they are still not living in thailand under anything other than a temporary basis, albeit they might feel they are because Thailand will extend other privileges like condo ownership under special conditions,  driving licenses, and even an ID card in some cases, but their status will always be non-immigrant - i.e. temporary based on extensions. 

 

Claiming any "rights" as an immigrant is facile.  They are here by invitation and any privileges are given and taken away by their hosts for whatever reason they see fit.  In their home country they will have a similar situation, applied in different ways, but essentially someone is allowed or even encouraged to into the country under whatever conditions apply, and they are expected to abide by the rules which exist at the time.

 

Expat has always been a misnomer.  Is it short for ex-patriot?  So now all the expats are no longer patriotic to their homeland?  Why does it only see to apply to ex-colonial powers?  UK-ites are most commonly called expats, but USamericans are variously called expat, gringo or yank depending on where they are.  Why do UK people not get called expat when they go to Germany, France, etc?  It's all suitably muddled to be a happy hatching-ground for pointless arguments that do not further the topic being debated, since clarity of expression is the fundamental requirement of reaching a happy difference of opinion. 

Know what you mean as I get tiddled off by the constant references (as defining characteristics) to left and right wing/socialist and communist etc. etc.

[Johnyo]

Disagree entirely.
 
Yes, I think of myself as an expat as there is no chance that I'd ever be granted 'immigrant' status in Thailand.  It certainly doesn't make me "feel more important and self entitled"!  If anything, the opposite....
 
I know that I can only remain here as long as I bring in sufficient income - and even then, I'm not entitled to take any job available or entitled to free health care etc.

I'm 45 and have lived in Thailand for 10 years and I consider myself 100% immigrant in this country. I immigrated from my country of origin to a foreign land, expat in my humble opinion is a bullshit description.


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[vogie]

36 minutes ago, Johnyo said:

 

I'm 45 and have lived in Thailand for 10 years and I consider myself 100% immigrant in this country. I immigrated from my country of origin to a foreign land, expat in my humble opinion is a bullshit description.


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The most important thing is that Thailand does not consider you an immigrant, what you think is immaterial.

[AlexRich]

1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said:

Disagree entirely.

 

Yes, I think of myself as an expat as there is no chance that I'd ever be granted 'immigrant' status in Thailand.  It certainly doesn't make me "feel more important and self entitled"!  If anything, the opposite....

 

I know that I can only remain here as long as I bring in sufficient income - and even then, I'm not entitled to take any job available or entitled to free health care etc.

The point that Johnyo made was right ... if you are permanently residing in a country other than the country of your birth you are effectively an immigrant, no different from a Pole, Bulgarian, German or Irish person living in the UK.  Your 'status' or the terms used to describe you in the officialdom are not relevant ... you are a foreigner living permanently in a foreign land. So if you voted Brexit and the Thais decide to "take back control", you don't have much to complain about!

[AlexRich]

38 minutes ago, vogie said:

The most important thing is that Thailand does not consider you an immigrant, what you think is immaterial.

 

So if a Thai political party suggests getting rid of immigrants in the country they are not referring to you? 

 

[vogie]

32 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

So if a Thai political party suggests getting rid of immigrants in the country they are not referring to you? 

 

No they're not as I am a non immigrant!

[Grouse]

The Con Party flying their colours

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-tory-tax-policy-rise-income-tax-national-insurance-higher-earners-general-election-2017-a7770581.html

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, AlexRich said:

The point that Johnyo made was right ... if you are permanently residing in a country other than the country of your birth you are effectively an immigrant, no different from a Pole, Bulgarian, German or Irish person living in the UK.  Your 'status' or the terms used to describe you in the officialdom are not relevant ... you are a foreigner living permanently in a foreign land. So if you voted Brexit and the Thais decide to "take back control", you don't have much to complain about!

More Project Fear from Alex, who seems to enjoy trying to confuse people. Or maybe the confusion starts at home?

 

Here are some simple definitions from my definitions database:

 

1. Expat - anyone who lives outside their native country.

2. Immigrant - anyone who comes to live permanently in a foreign country.

3. Non-Immigrant - anyone who enters a country for a temporary stay.

 

So, if you are a 1, 2 or even 3 but are native British you are still an expat! Now I would be surprised if there are many here who have attained 2 but well done if that's what you wanted! But anyone who has a non-immigrant visa is not an immigrant. Get the picture Alex?

 

If the Thai government decides to take back control, as AR quotes, of course they can do whatever they want, including revoking Thai passports and residence permits, even if you did vote for remain in the British referendum! 

Edited June 3, 2017 by nauseus

[ilostmypassword]

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

More Project Fear from Alex, who seems to enjoy trying to confuse people. Or maybe the confusion starts at home?

 

Here are some simple definitions from my definitions database:

 

1. Expat - anyone who lives outside their native country.

2. Immigrant - anyone who comes to live permanently in a foreign country.

3. Non-Immigrant - anyone who enters a country for a temporary stay.

 

So, if you are a 1, 2 or even 3 but are native British you are still an expat! Now I would be surprised if there are many here who have attained 2 or even 3 but if so, well done if that's what you wanted! But anyone who has a non-immigrant visa is not an immigrant. Get the picture Alex?

 

If the Thai government decides to take back control, as AR quotes, and of course they can do whatever they want, including revoking Thai passports and residence permits, even if you did vote for remain in the British referendum! 

If you plan to live in a foreign country permanently, then you're an immigrant. If a country decides to throw you out later, that's out of your control. Any country can do that even if they give you permanent resident status or even citizenship. Laws change.

Edited June 3, 2017 by ilostmypassword

[nauseus]

6 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

If you plan to live in a foreign country permanently, then you're an immigrant. If a country decides to throw you out later, that's out of your control. Any country can do that even if they give you permanent resident status or even citizenship. Laws change.

You didn't even read what I said, which was the same as you except for your definition of immigrant! Anyone in Thailand on a non-imm visa is not an immigrant as far as the government here is concerned and that's what counts!

 

[Grouse]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

You didn't even read what I said, which was the same as you except for your definition of immigrant! Anyone in Thailand on a non-imm visa is not an immigrant as far as the government here is concerned and that's what counts!

 

As far as Thailand is concerned, I am a non immigrant

 

As far as UK is concerned, I am an emigrant

 

In fact I am the owner of a fully furnished suitcase!

[Khun Han]

7 hours ago, nauseus said:

I thought that you were in favour of Brexit???

 

Sarcasm .

[nauseus]

9 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

Sarcasm .

If but in a round about way. OK.

[AlexRich]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

More Project Fear from Alex, who seems to enjoy trying to confuse people. Or maybe the confusion starts at home?

 

Here are some simple definitions from my definitions database:

 

1. Expat - anyone who lives outside their native country.

2. Immigrant - anyone who comes to live permanently in a foreign country.

3. Non-Immigrant - anyone who enters a country for a temporary stay.

 

So, if you are a 1, 2 or even 3 but are native British you are still an expat! Now I would be surprised if there are many here who have attained 2 but well done if that's what you wanted! But anyone who has a non-immigrant visa is not an immigrant. Get the picture Alex?

 

If the Thai government decides to take back control, as AR quotes, of course they can do whatever they want, including revoking Thai passports and residence permits, even if you did vote for remain in the British referendum! 

If your intention is to stay in Thailand permanently it does not matter what label the Thai Government put on you ... you're an immigrant. And that's what most older Foreigners in Thailand are ... people who intend to stay permanently. A non-immigrant visa is a device used to keep immigrants from overseas on a short leash ... and kick them out on short notice if they decide to. What makes me laugh are the ones on here celebrating the result of our referendum (on immigration) whilst being an immigrant in another country. 

 

On the TV shows during the referendum you only really got the truth in the working class areas ... Yorkshire and Romford come to mind. Why do you want to vote leave? Answer, immigration. Or ... "get rid of them immigrants" or words to that effect. Everyone on here did it for sovereignty, her majesty, the grandkids ... and other such nonsense. Not to kick people out of the UK who are doing what you are doing in Thailand, naturally, as we're not hypocrites.

[nauseus]

39 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

If your intention is to stay in Thailand permanently it does not matter what label the Thai Government put on you ... you're an immigrant. And that's what most older Foreigners in Thailand are ... people who intend to stay permanently. A non-immigrant visa is a device used to keep immigrants from overseas on a short leash ... and kick them out on short notice if they decide to. What makes me laugh are the ones on here celebrating the result of our referendum (on immigration) whilst being an immigrant in another country. 

 

On the TV shows during the referendum you only really got the truth in the working class areas ... Yorkshire and Romford come to mind. Why do you want to vote leave? Answer, immigration. Or ... "get rid of them immigrants" or words to that effect. Everyone on here did it for sovereignty, her majesty, the grandkids ... and other such nonsense. Not to kick people out of the UK who are doing what you are doing in Thailand, naturally, as we're not hypocrites.

Well because I am British without UK/Thai dual nationality or Thai Residence I use a non-immigrant via in my British passport. I do not consider myself to be an immigrant here. Because I am British, still loving and valuing my country, I am allowed to celebrate the fact that the UK will leave the EU before it becomes sucked into a kind of European federal sinkhole. You laugh all you want. I am serious. 

 

Your comparisons are flawed. Here in Thailand, (non) immigrants do not have any particular rights at all, unlike EU immigrant workers do in the UK, for example. We can't come here and take jobs from Thai people or money or anything else like that. What hypocrisy?

 

  

Edited June 3, 2017 by nauseus

[AlexRich]

24 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Well because I am British without UK/Thai dual nationality or Thai Residence I use a non-immigrant via in my British passport. I do not consider myself to be an immigrant here. Because I am British, still loving and valuing my country, I am allowed to celebrate the fact that the UK will leave the EU before it becomes sucked into a kind of European federal sinkhole. You laugh all you want. I am serious. 

 

Your comparisons are flawed. Here in Thailand, (non) immigrants do not have any particular rights at all, unlike EU immigrant workers do in the UK, for example. We can't come here and take jobs from Thai people or money or anything else like that. What hypocrisy?

 

  

 

I'm not getting at you personally ... I even witnessed the same scenario from a guy from England who'd retired to Spain. He voted leave "to get rid of immigrants" ... but being British, he seemed to take the view that somehow the Spanish needed him ... and he was therefore quite different, being an honoured guest. British exceptionalism, if you like.

 

As immigrants are net contributors, as a collective they don't so much take, rather they contribute ... and I suspect that they contribute a great deal more than Brit long term stayers in Thailand ... as a few Changs and a Pad Thai don't add up to much at the end of the day.

 

 

[billd766]

7 hours ago, jpinx said:

"Expats" and "Immigrants" are ill-used descriptions with no real meaning, so posters bandy them around as suits their purpose.  Even the bbc had a diclaimer about their use of "immigrants" on their pages that needed clarification for a while, maybe it's still there.  It's a similar misuse of language as the words "population", "electorate" and  "people"  were subject to a few posts back.   Posters try to mask their prejudices behind the inappropriate use of certain words, especially in comparison situations.

 

The vast majority of westerners in Thailand get NON-IMMIGRANT stamped everywhere in their passports and on their entry visas (unless you have jumped through the considerable hoops to upgrade to anything more permanent like citizenship.  The fact that a lot of the old folks can extend their non-immigrant status year after year does not change their legal position, they are still not living in thailand under anything other than a temporary basis, albeit they might feel they are because Thailand will extend other privileges like condo ownership under special conditions,  driving licenses, and even an ID card in some cases, but their status will always be non-immigrant - i.e. temporary based on extensions. 

 

Claiming any "rights" as an immigrant is facile.  They are here by invitation and any privileges are given and taken away by their hosts for whatever reason they see fit.  In their home country they will have a similar situation, applied in different ways, but essentially someone is allowed or even encouraged to into the country under whatever conditions apply, and they are expected to abide by the rules which exist at the time.

 

Expat has always been a misnomer.  Is it short for ex-patriot?  So now all the expats are no longer patriotic to their homeland?  Why does it only see to apply to ex-colonial powers?  UK-ites are most commonly called expats, but USamericans are variously called expat, gringo or yank depending on where they are.  Why do UK people not get called expat when they go to Germany, France, etc?  It's all suitably muddled to be a happy hatching-ground for pointless arguments that do not further the topic being debated, since clarity of expression is the fundamental requirement of reaching a happy difference of opinion. 

 

Actually the term is expatriate (often shortened to expat).

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expatriate

 

An expatriate (often shortened to expat) is a person temporarily or permanently residing in a country other than that of their citizenship.

In common usage, the term often refers to professionals or skilled workers sent abroad by their employers, who can be companies, governments, or non-governmental organisations.[1] Effectively migrant workers, they usually earn more than they would at home, and more than local employees.

However, the term 'expatriate' is also used for retirees and others who have chosen to live outside their native country. Historically, it has also referred to exiles.[2]

 

The word expatriate comes from the Latin terms ex ("out of") and patria ("native country, fatherland"). Dictionary definitions for the current meaning of the word include:

Expatriate:

'A person who lives outside their native country' (Oxford),[2] or

'living in a foreign land' (Webster's).[3]

These contrast with definitions of other words with a similar meaning, such as:

Migrant:

'A person who moves from one place to another in order to find work or better living conditions' (Oxford),[4] or

'one that migrates: such as a: a person who moves regularly in order to find work especially in harvesting crops' (Webster's);[5]

or

Immigrant

'A person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country' (Oxford),[6] or

'one that immigrates: such as a: a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence (Webster's).[7]

 

There is a lot more if anybody is interested.

[Khun Han]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

If but in a round about way. OK.

 

Yeah, sarcasm and irony are always difficult to work on an internet forum. No voice tone or facial expressions.

[jpinx]

36 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

Actually the term is expatriate (often shortened to expat).

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expatriate

 

An expatriate (often shortened to expat) is a person temporarily or permanently residing in a country other than that of their citizenship.

In common usage, the term often refers to professionals or skilled workers sent abroad by their employers, who can be companies, governments, or non-governmental organisations.[1] Effectively migrant workers, they usually earn more than they would at home, and more than local employees.

However, the term 'expatriate' is also used for retirees and others who have chosen to live outside their native country. Historically, it has also referred to exiles.[2]

 

The word expatriate comes from the Latin terms ex ("out of") and patria ("native country, fatherland"). Dictionary definitions for the current meaning of the word include:

Expatriate:

'A person who lives outside their native country' (Oxford),[2] or

'living in a foreign land' (Webster's).[3]

These contrast with definitions of other words with a similar meaning, such as:

Migrant:

'A person who moves from one place to another in order to find work or better living conditions' (Oxford),[4] or

'one that migrates: such as a: a person who moves regularly in order to find work especially in harvesting crops' (Webster's);[5]

or

Immigrant

'A person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country' (Oxford),[6] or

'one that immigrates: such as a: a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence (Webster's).[7]

 

There is a lot more if anybody is interested.

US English differs in many ways to real English.  Websters dictionary - look into how they compile it :)

What  about "emigree" (missing the accent), "migrant", and the many other terms to disguise one's personal phobias.?. :)

 

 

Edited June 3, 2017 by jpinx

[sandyf]

Many seem to have failed to grasp the concept of EU citizenship. If you were born within the EU it does not matter where you live within the EU, you are still an EU citizen and subject/entitled to the provisions of EU law as well as the law of the country of residence.

Any comparison with Thailand is just ridiculous, foreigners in Thailand come under Thai law and generally speaking have no rights.

 

Teresa May is going to force over 60 million people to give up their EU citizenship because 17 million thought it was a good idea at the time. It is an obvious fact that EU citizenship did not mean a great deal to those that voted to leave but there is every chance that the reality will change that view.

 

[dick dasterdly]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

Many seem to have failed to grasp the concept of EU citizenship. If you were born within the EU it does not matter where you live within the EU, you are still an EU citizen and subject/entitled to the provisions of EU law as well as the law of the country of residence.

Any comparison with Thailand is just ridiculous, foreigners in Thailand come under Thai law and generally speaking have no rights.

 

Teresa May is going to force over 60 million people to give up their EU citizenship because 17 million thought it was a good idea at the time. It is an obvious fact that EU citizenship did not mean a great deal to those that voted to leave but there is every chance that the reality will change that view.

 

"Any comparison with Thailand is just ridiculous, foreigners in Thailand come under Thai law and generally speaking have no rights."

 

Exactly!  Which is why its ridiculous for anyone to pretend that those who have retired to Thailand and have no access to jobs/benefits/free medical provision etc. etc. are at all similar to those who have moved from poor EU countries to the UK.

[billd766]

13 hours ago, jpinx said:

US English differs in many ways to real English.  Websters dictionary - look into how they compile it :)

What  about "emigree" (missing the accent), "migrant", and the many other terms to disguise one's personal phobias.?. :)

 

 

 

That is the problem with foreigners, they simply can't speak proper English.

 

You have to go to India to find where it is spoken properly.

 

(Intended)

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

Many seem to have failed to grasp the concept of EU citizenship. If you were born within the EU it does not matter where you live within the EU, you are still an EU citizen and subject/entitled to the provisions of EU law as well as the law of the country of residence.

Any comparison with Thailand is just ridiculous, foreigners in Thailand come under Thai law and generally speaking have no rights.

 

Teresa May is going to force over 60 million people to give up their EU citizenship because 17 million thought it was a good idea at the time. It is an obvious fact that EU citizenship did not mean a great deal to those that voted to leave but there is every chance that the reality will change that view.

 

 

Does that mean that another 60 million people are entitled to become EU citizens?

 

There is NO EU passport in reality.

 

Looking at my red passport, (which is to my hand as I will need it tomorrow) it says on the front cover at the top, EUROPEAN UNION,

and below that in larger capitals it says UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND.

 

Inside it says

 

Her Britannic Majesty's Secretary of State Requests and requires in the Name of Her Majesty all those whom it may concernto allow the bearer to pass freelywithout let or hindrance,, and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as may be necessary.

 

There is nothing further said about the EU, which actually is not a state or a nation on its own, but a collection of other nations loosely clumped together.

 

When you pass through immigration in countries other than the EU and the officer asks your nationality, do you answer EU or British, English, Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish?

 

I always say English first and then British. I could say that I am from Wessex and the British stole the crown from King Arthur but that would confuse matters.

 

Edited June 4, 2017 by billd766
edited for bad spelling

[rockingrobin]

20 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

That is the problem with foreigners, they simply can't speak proper English.

 

You have to go to India to find where it is spoken properly.

 

(Intended)

 

Does that mean that another 60 million people are entitled to become EU citizens?

 

There is NO EU passport in reality.

 

Looking at my red passport, (which is to my hand as I will need it tomorrow) it says on the front cover at the top, EUROPEAN UNION,

and below that in larger capitals it says UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND.

 

Inside it says

 

Her Britannic Majesty's Secretary of State Requests and requires in the Name of Her Majesty all those whom it may concernto allow the bearer to pass freelywithout let or hindrance,, and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as may be necessary.

 

There is nothing further said about the EU, which actually is not a state or a nation on its own, but a collection of other nations loosely clumped together.

 

When you pass through immigration in countries other than the EU and the officer asks your nationality, do you answer EU or British, English, Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish?

 

I always say English first and then British. I could say that I am from Wessex and the British stole the crown from King Arthur but that would confuse matters.

 

EU citizenship doesnt replace your nationality , but is an addition.

However Sandyf highlights that individuals rights are being removed by the consensus of a minority

[sandyf]

1 hour ago, rockingrobin said:

EU citizenship doesnt replace your nationality , but is an addition.

However Sandyf highlights that individuals rights are being removed by the consensus of a minority

Do not misquote me, I never said "that individuals rights are being removed by the consensus of a minority" and well you know it.