May ready for tough talks over Brexit

[Grouse]

I can see the transitional period tending toward infinity

 

I can also see some important changes coming within EU, particularly re immigration

 

At the same time, the risk of Brexit will result in continuing damage to the economy

 

Sooner (but probably later) both government and Parliament will realise that Brexit has no clothes!

[shanesox]

Typical reaction from someone with an education! [emoji846]

Typical of someone arrogant and nothing to be arrogant about 

Edited September 26, 2017 by shanesox

[aright]

2 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

Thank you for that.

I, for one, is pleased that the thread has been left running for so long.

 

Not commenting on moderation but just observing that a lot of Brexit related information is collected in this thread. Having it here, in one thread, makes it possible, not easy - but possible, to go back and find specific info you know is here, somewhere.

 

Ta.

 

 

 

I agree completely with what you say and unlike many arguments which are ambivalent this thread is occupied by dyed in the wool convictions on both sides . So yes contributions and reactions have been on the whole surprisingly muted and civilised.

[dick dasterdly]

2 hours ago, Grouse said:

I can see the transitional period tending toward infinity

 

I can also see some important changes coming within EU, particularly re immigration

 

At the same time, the risk of Brexit will result in continuing damage to the economy

 

Sooner (but probably later) both government and Parliament will realise that Brexit has no clothes!

"I can see the transitional period tending toward infinity

 

I can also see some important changes coming within EU, particularly re immigration"

 

I suspect you're right about the above - but am also pretty sure that the 'open borders' policy (as opposed to open doors for 'refugees') will remain unchanged.

 

The ever increasing 'transitional period' doesn't help anyone - as it just prolongs the uncertainty.

[dick dasterdly]

14 minutes ago, aright said:

I agree completely with what you say and unlike many arguments which are ambivalent this thread is occupied by dyed in the wool convictions on both sides . So yes contributions and reactions have been on the whole surprisingly muted and civilised.

I can't be alone in being ambivalent about the EU (pre-brexit....)?!

[dick dasterdly]

If common sense prevailed (rather than personal financial interest/seeking power - with all the inevitable determination not to cut-back on those financial interests etc.) - the EU would have immediately addressed voters' concerns.  Not just UK, voters, but other EU countries too.

 

Instead, they prefer to rely on bullying tactics and consider changing only the things that don't affect their personal wealth/empire building....

Edited September 26, 2017 by dick dasterdly

[aright]

6 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

If common sense prevailed (rather than personal financial interest - 

I think some people would regard common sense and personal financial interest as being synonymous.

 

 

[dick dasterdly]

Just now, aright said:

I think some people would regard common sense and personal financial interest as being synonymous.

 

 

You're right of course .

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, shanesox said:

Typical of someone arrogant and nothing to be arrogant about 

An education?

[Grouse]

40 minutes ago, aright said:

I think some people would regard common sense and personal financial interest as being synonymous.

 

 

Philanthropists may beg to differ. 

[dick dasterdly]

2 minutes ago, Grouse said:

An education?

Your self-perceived 'superior' education is irrelevant when it comes to brexit - as there is no certainty, only opinion.

[dick dasterdly]

Just now, Grouse said:

Philanthropists may beg to differ. 

We're talking about politicians, and those with little (if any) interest in those far poorer than themselves.....

Edited September 26, 2017 by dick dasterdly

[shanesox]

An education?

No! An arrogance by masquerading opinions as facts ! Education in what? Arrogance as a dissertation appropriate.


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[Grouse]

1 minute ago, dick dasterdly said:

Your self-perceived 'superior' education is irrelevant when it comes to brexit - as there is no certainty, only opinion.

There seems to be much misunderstand on several levels. It gives me no joy to point this out.

[aright]

4 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Philanthropists may beg to differ. 

Benny’s dog has died and he goes to see his rabbi. "Rabbi, I wonder whether you could find the time to say a special blessing at my dog's grave?"
The rabbi replies, "I'm afraid it isn't possible, Benny. In fact the rules don't really make any allowance for animals."
Benny says, "But I'm really upset, rabbi."
"So maybe you should go to see the Reform rabbi over the road," says the rabbi.
As Benny walks away dejectedly, he turns to the rabbi and says, "What a shame. I was willing to donate £1,000 for such a service."
At which point the rabbi shouts, "Come back, come back."
Benny turns round and says, "I thought you couldn't help me."
"Ah," says the rabbi, "but you didn't tell me your dog was Orthodox."

[Grouse]

1 minute ago, dick dasterdly said:

We're talking about politicians.....

I think it's a bit too cynical to assume that altruism is dead! I grant you that it is sadly less common that hitherto.

[aright]

Altruism? What would you know about telling the truth?

Edited September 26, 2017 by aright

[Grouse]

4 minutes ago, shanesox said:

No! An arrogance by masquerading opinions as facts ! Education in what? Arrogance as a dissertation appropriate.


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I am not going to rise to such silliness. I can't even understand your statements above, so we'll leave it at that

[SheungWan]

17 minutes ago, aright said:

Altruism? What would you know about telling the truth?

Unfortunately on a par with other Hard Brexiteer contributions.

Edited September 26, 2017 by SheungWan

[melvinmelvin]

7 hours ago, Grouse said:

I can see the transitional period tending toward infinity

 

I can also see some important changes coming within EU, particularly re immigration

 

At the same time, the risk of Brexit will result in continuing damage to the economy

 

Sooner (but probably later) both government and Parliament will realise that Brexit has no clothes!

 

re your continued damage to the economy;

 

I have lived through two enter EEC/EU campaigns and referenda (both failed), in the EEC/EU promoters view

 

The media at the time, packed full of unsubstantiated svada, as in UK media today,

this, two billion up this 1.5 billion down - haggis down 14.32 procent for sure, this down 4 billion down per year

the population largely lived on crap like this for two years before each of the referanda

 

couple of years after the first referendum the commercial part of the country stated fairly

firmly that in or out, doesn't make much of a difference for import/export - mai pen rai

 

after the 2nd referendum they didn't even bother to comment

 

(grouse, hope you've lost it completely when you say that Brexit has no cloths,

               who want to see May and Boris without 'em?)

 

 

Edited September 26, 2017 by melvinmelvin
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[citybiker]

Mr Tusk’s Downing Street media release is yet another clear sign of where Brexit negotiations are heading.


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[Khun Han]

3 hours ago, citybiker said:

Mr Tusk’s Downing Street media release is yet another clear sign of where Brexit negotiations are heading.


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Like I said, the negotiations are just a pantomime now. And we've discovered that our democracy was sold down the river to the globalists long before the referendum. But at least Ted Heath (and a few others such as Leon Britton) got to have a lot of illicit fun, before they popped their clogs, because of the sale, so it wasn't all for nothing.

Edited September 26, 2017 by Khun Han

[SheungWan]

13 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

Like I said, the negotiations are just a pantomime now. And we've discovered that our democracy was sold down the river to the globalists long before the referendum. But at least Ted Heath (and a few others such as Leon Britton) got to have a lot of illicit fun, before they popped their clogs, because of the sale, so it wasn't all for nothing.

What a relief that the Hard Brexiteers have got those old Conspiracy Theory rabbits to pull out of the hat when they are down in the dumps.

[SheungWan]

14 hours ago, aright said:

I think some people would regard common sense and personal financial interest as being synonymous.

Better to line up with the BS herd and go with the faeries.

[Grouse]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-41397181

 

So May's special pleading with Trump worked really well. 220% Duty on Bombardier aeroplanes partly built in NI coming in to USA.

 

I think We've been "Tangoed"

 

Still trust Trump?

[SheungWan]

50 minutes ago, Grouse said:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-41397181

 

So May's special pleading with Trump worked really well. 220% Duty on Bombardier aeroplanes partly built in NI coming in to USA.

 

I think We've been "Tangoed"

 

Still trust Trump?

The proposed tariffs on Bombardier will concentrate the Government's minds wonderfully and dampen Hard Brexiteer fantasies.

[aright]

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-41397181

 

So May's special pleading with Trump worked really well. 220% Duty on Bombardier aeroplanes partly built in NI coming in to USA.

 

I think We've been "Tangoed"

 

Still trust Trump?

 

Roger, Roger! Here's another Vector Victor.

 

Boeing's battle over Bombardier is indirectly related to its long-running feud with Airbus. The pair are the biggest aircraft makers in the world: one American, the other European, headquartered in France.

As it has rumbled on, the dispute is now being fought for them by proxy between the European and US governments.

With regards to Bombardier, Boeing claims the Canadian company received illegal support for its C-series small airliner when the province of Quebec took a $1bn (£740m) stake in the troubled programme. This support ultimately helped Bombardier agree a sale of up to 125 of airliners to US carrier Delta at big discount.

So sensitive is the row - with the fate of 4,500 jobs in Northern Ireland on the line - that Theresa May asked Donald Trump to intervene earlier this month. Awkwardly, Boeing has reminded the prime minister that it employs 16,500 people in its supply chain in the UK.

One of the most interesting things about the case is that it’s not as if Boeing has seen sales snatched away by Delta’s purchase of the C-Series. The Bombardier jet is smaller than Boeing's smallest craft, the 737; essentially they are targeting different markets.

So how does Boeing's sabre-rattling over Bombardier relate to Airbus? Well, the US giant doesn’t want to see another potential competitor supported in the same way that has allowed Airbus to come from nothing in the Seventies to being an equal rival today.

In fact, both sides claim the other has benefited from state aid at some point - given the high cost of producing aircraft, state subsidies have been an inevitable part of the aerospace sector for a long time. Unsurprisingly, some have accused Boeing of hypocrisy in taking on Bombardier, a much smaller rival, over the issue.

Where does this leave Bombardier? The company is already looking ahead to a ruling next year from the International Trade Commission on whether Boeing suffered any injury from the C Series. It is confident in its case: "Because Boeing years ago abandoned the market the C Series serves, there is no harm," it says. This battle has much further to run. Alan Tovey & Jon Yeomans

[sandyf]

3 hours ago, Grouse said:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-41397181

 

So May's special pleading with Trump worked really well. 220% Duty on Bombardier aeroplanes partly built in NI coming in to USA.

 

I think We've been "Tangoed"

 

Still trust Trump?

It is about time the brexiteers woke up to the potential consequences of tariffs. Of course they live in the hope that the US would not try and screw the UK in the same way as they are trying to screw the Canadians.

 

A Government spokeswoman said: “”This is a disappointing interim statement but only the first step in the process. As the Prime Minister said last week, we will continue to strongly defend UK interests in support of Bombardier at the very highest level because an adverse outcome risks jobs and livelihoods among the 4,200 skilled workers in Belfast.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/bombardier-planes-import-tariff-us-beoing-dispute-220-percent-northern-ireland-jobs-at-risk-a7969261.html

[aright]

It's not all gloom and doom then.

 

Britain has become a happier country since the Brexit vote, according to official figures.

They found that the chart of happiness and confidence levels rose in the 12 months ending in March – most of which followed last June's referendum.

The Office for National Statistics, which has gathered the happiness records for six years, expressed 'surprise' at the mood at a time of 'political change and uncertainty.'

But the results of detailed surveys questioning Britons on their personal well-being appear to reflect the impact of both historically high employment and a radically changed political climate.

The Brexit bounce findings come from a period which finished 18 days before Theresa May's April announcement of a June general election – the outcome of which may have altered many attitudes.

The ONS figures follow a major international poll published earlier this month which found Britain was more at ease with itself and less racked by tension over immigration in the wake of the EU referendum.

The IPSOS Social Research Institute found worries over immigration are lessening, and suggested that many people are reassured that leaving the EU will mean more control over immigration in future.

Happiness and life satisfaction ratings have ticked to 7.51 and 7.68 out of 10 in the year to March, the ONS report said, both up by 0.03 points on the previous year.

The change was said to be 'significant', although there were no similar improvements in measures of anxiety and whether people think their lives are worthwhile.

There was however an increase in numbers of people reporting very high levels of life satisfaction and feeling that living is worthwhile.

In the year to March some 30 per cent of people were recorded in the 'very high satisfaction' bracket, up by 0.8 per cent in a year, and by nearly four per cent since 2012.

The ONS said there had been regular increases in satisfaction levels before 2015, but a levelling off from the spring of 2015.

ONS spokesman Matthew Steel said: 'The figures may surprise some, showing a small increase in both happiness and life satisfaction during a period that has seen political change and uncertainty.

'It is worth noting that employment rates rose during the period covered by this report, and other ONS analysis showed people perceiving an improvement in their own financial situations and in the overall economy. 

'These are factors we believe may account for some people's increased sense of personal wellbeing.'

The report added: 'Employment or job satisfaction, our health, the quality of our relationships and our personal financial security are just some of the aspects of our lives shown to have an effect. 

'Over time, changes and differences between areas could be related to these factors.

'Over the year that this publication covers, various situations of uncertainty, not least in political terms have unfolded in the UK. For example, the UK public voted on the EU referendum and there was a new Prime Minister appointed.'

It said it was 'interesting' that other surveys have found increased economic confidence among ordinary people over the past year.

In addition to this, the ONS said, the 'employment rate is at its highest since comparable records began in 1971. The unemployment rate is at its joint lowest since 1975.'

The happiness surveys were ordered by David Cameron after he became Prime Minister in 2010, with the aim of providing evidence beyond traditional economic statistics on which to base government policies.

They involve a series of questions added to the ONS Annual Population Survey, a large-scale poll which consults 320,000 people. 

Those taking part are asked to say on a scale of one to 10 how happy they were yesterday, how satisfied with their life, how much they felt their life was worthwhile, and how anxious they felt.

 

[Naam]

1 hour ago, aright said:

Britain has become a happier country since the Brexit vote, according to official figures.

praise the LORD! hallelujah amen.