webfact Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Falling crane parts kill 4, injure 2 By The Nation BANGKOK: -- Four construction workers were killed and two others injured when parts of a crane fell on them Tuesday afternoon. The incident took place at 3.37pm at a building construction site behind the Lumphini Park Rama 9 Condominium in Bangkok’s Huai Khwang district. Full story: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/breakingnews/30301095 -- © Copyright The Nation 2016-11-30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
namoi Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 must be a site controlled by the cmfeu aus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSJ Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 As to the reason it collapsed, my guess is the equipment is not maintained properly and is overloaded regularly. Same same as always! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trogers Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Who is the contractor? A tower crane is usually mounted onto the pile foundation of the building. In the photo, they are just excavating to expose the piles. So, what was supporting that crane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezzra Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 As with so many things that are done half ass, accidents are dime a dozen and life is cheap as most workers are poor foreign workers from neighboring countries and a small sum as a compensation will iron out all wrong doing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvr181 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 1 hour ago, ezzra said: As with so many things that are done half ass, accidents are dime a dozen and life is cheap as most workers are poor foreign workers from neighboring countries and a small sum as a compensation will iron out all wrong doing.... Unfortunately I agree. RIP and condolences to families and friends. Hope those who are injured recover quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidill Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, trogers said: Who is the contractor? A tower crane is usually mounted onto the pile foundation of the building. In the photo, they are just excavating to expose the piles. So, what was supporting that crane? This is obviously a "free standing" tower crane. It would have been interesting to have inspected it prior to anyone touching it. A couple of things in the photo look strange. RIP to the unfortunate workers. Condolences to their families. Edited November 30, 2016 by davidill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobobo Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 2 hours ago, trogers said: Who is the contractor? A tower crane is usually mounted onto the pile foundation of the building. In the photo, they are just excavating to expose the piles. So, what was supporting that crane? It was fine until that bloody rain storm on Monday... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trogers Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 1 minute ago, hobobo said: It was fine until that bloody rain storm on Monday... Excavation causes soil under load to move. Tower cranes are usually installed after completion of foundation construction. Mobile cranes on temporary steel braced working platform is the norm during foundation construction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trogers Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 26 minutes ago, davidill said: This is obviously a "free standing" tower crane. It would have been interesting to have inspected it prior to anyone touching it. A couple of things in the photo look strange. RIP to the unfortunate workers. Condolences to their families. Question is, what was it standing on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyas Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 13 minutes ago, trogers said: Question is, what was it standing on? It is standing on its own concrete base. You can see it clearly, and that the tower base [bent over at right angles to the right.is still attached to the concrete base . My guess is that it was either still being assembled and an error was made in the assembly order and became unbalanced or was lifting something way out of its limits. Time may tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkok Barry Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 3 hours ago, ezzra said: As with so many things that are done half ass, accidents are dime a dozen and life is cheap as most workers are poor foreign workers from neighboring countries and a small sum as a compensation will iron out all wrong doing.... But I'm sure there would have been a Safety First sign on the gate so that's enough, surely. Falang fuss too mutt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMGImInPattaya Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 3 hours ago, ezzra said: As with so many things that are done half ass, accidents are dime a dozen and life is cheap as most workers are poor foreign workers from neighboring countries and a small sum as a compensation will iron out all wrong doing.... But the crane itself is expensive, one would think that alone would cause the managers to use it properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emster23 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 I know lives of workers of low consideration here, just a small payoff to family, but those cranes cost some serious money. One might think contractors would exercise some care when it comes to expensive tools even if not give a fig about the workers. I sometimes have similar thoughts regarding bus crashes and such.... you may say insurance will pay for equipment, but at least insurance companies might exercise some due diligence over companies they insure. Well, TIT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trogers Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 46 minutes ago, happyas said: It is standing on its own concrete base. You can see it clearly, and that the tower base [bent over at right angles to the right.is still attached to the concrete base . My guess is that it was either still being assembled and an error was made in the assembly order and became unbalanced or was lifting something way out of its limits. Time may tell. Having a concrete base is not enough when the base is sitting on soft Bangkok clay, and excavation works are all around it. The base can simply tilt when the crane is at its tip load, much like a bottle opener... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 2 hours ago, davidill said: This is obviously a "free standing" tower crane. It would have been interesting to have inspected it prior to anyone touching it. A couple of things in the photo look strange. RIP to the unfortunate workers. Condolences to their families. Everything on a Thai building site looks strange !!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted November 30, 2016 Author Share Posted November 30, 2016 Dead Workers Probably At Fault For Fatal Crane Failure, Cop Says By Teeranai Charuvastra, Staff Reporter - Rescue workers respond to the scene of a crane collapse on Tuesday in Bangkok. BANGKOK — A police investigator said Wednesday that the workers killed in a crane collapse might have been responsible for their own demise. Five people died Tuesday afternoon at a construction site at Shrewsbury International School on Rama IX Road when the 14-meter crane toppled during the final stages of installation. Four Thais and one Cambodian worker were killed. Full story: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/crimecourtscalamity/2016/11/30/dead-workers-probably-fault-fatal-crane-failure-cop-says/ -- © Copyright Khaosod English 2016-11-30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crankshaft Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Headline from the article..." DEAD WORKERS PROBABLY AT FAULT FOR FATAL CRANE FAILURE, COP SAYS" Easy case to solve... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nausea Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 2 hours ago, happyas said: My guess is that it was either still being assembled and an error was made in the assembly order and became unbalanced Good guess it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyas Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, trogers said: Having a concrete base is not enough when the base is sitting on soft Bangkok clay, and excavation works are all around it. The base can simply tilt when the crane is at its tip load, much like a bottle opener... Your theory is indeed possible, but improbable.. i will stand by my thoughts, which on looking now at latest report tend to confirm what i said. There are hundreds of similar crane/construction jobs in BKK in the soft clay...but there are not hundreds of these incidents. Edited November 30, 2016 by happyas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyas Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 2 minutes ago, nausea said: Good guess it seems. Yes, more of a "calculated guess" but i have been involved in civil construction most of my life. Seen all manner of mayhem, mishaps, and close calls over the years [in the westernworld, i might add] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brer Fox Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 4 hours ago, davidill said: This is obviously a "free standing" tower crane. It would have been interesting to have inspected it prior to anyone touching it. A couple of things in the photo look strange. RIP to the unfortunate workers. Condolences to their families. Your suggestion about inspections is reasonable. Except inspections by government regulators cost money (fees and envelopes) and therein lies the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyphodb Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Convenient, Dead men can't lose face or pay compensation, I wonder how big the brown envelope from the contractor was for them to reach that conclusion...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emster23 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Dead men tell no tales, unless CSI Miami shows up, of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Nonsense posts have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatproblem Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Go for the easiest every time ,predictable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsgatse Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 “If it was wrongly assembled, it was the dead workers who were installing it,” Suebpong said. “They were installing the crane, then the accident happened.” However, he stressed that police have yet to ascertain the cause of the accident. When will the police here learn that it's best to keep your mouth shut until you are certain what the heck is going on first? This guy is suddenly an engineer and can make a valid conclusion based on what experience or evidence? It seems that they like to act like big shots when a camera is in their face and can't resist trying to sound like an expert whose job it is to share their great knowledge with the "dimwitted public". Just say "it's a tragedy, and we are working hard to determine the cause and we will keep you posted" and then go do your job. RIP to the workers, who will unfortunately be quickly forgotten (and, most likely blamed, as el Capitano has already laid the groundwork) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spermwhale Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 MIGHT... As if the Cop is an expert in industrial accidents. Meanwhile Thailand's Occupational Safety and Health Bureau sits idly by Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvr181 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 " Dead Workers Probably At Fault For Fatal Crane Failure, Cop Says " Real easy then. No need for an investigation or to upset the apple cart. Somehow the Police failed to wonder if it was just suicide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trogers Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 51 minutes ago, jsgatse said: “If it was wrongly assembled, it was the dead workers who were installing it,” Suebpong said. “They were installing the crane, then the accident happened.” However, he stressed that police have yet to ascertain the cause of the accident. When will the police here learn that it's best to keep your mouth shut until you are certain what the heck is going on first? This guy is suddenly an engineer and can make a valid conclusion based on what experience or evidence? It seems that they like to act like big shots when a camera is in their face and can't resist trying to sound like an expert whose job it is to share their great knowledge with the "dimwitted public". Just say "it's a tragedy, and we are working hard to determine the cause and we will keep you posted" and then go do your job. RIP to the workers, who will unfortunately be quickly forgotten (and, most likely blamed, as el Capitano has already laid the groundwork) The fault lies with the dead. Case closed. Work resumes. Grease lightning ⚡... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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