Extension of stay DENIED.

[parafareno]

so they escort you without bags, so you just leave all the belongings in a hotel, your laptop, money, clothes? How can this be true?

[NickJ]

The lawsuit would be against someone with some power I would bet.......

[thai3]

So defending person pays off immigration to kick out a witness in a major court case involving millions, but OP can still get back in time to appear, hopefully 

[Deepinthailand]

3 minutes ago, thai3 said:

So defending person pays off immigration to kick out a witness in a major court case involving millions, but OP can still get back in time to appear, hopefully 

5555. if that is what op belives I would suggest he goes to police or rings the anti coruption line. I seriously doubt the immigration officer alone would have the balls to do that as he clearly says he was kept there till the end and made to book a flight ect which would implicate the whole office.!

[mduras01]

But witness returns, so defending person's next move is...


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[Don Mega]

1 hour ago, parafareno said:

so they escort you without bags, so you just leave all the belongings in a hotel, your laptop, money, clothes? How can this be true?

 

If I read the thread from the start I would assume the Thai wife (or lawyer) taken  care of any personal belongings in the hotel room,  assuming of course the OP was staying in a hotel room with his wife and not his house with his wife.

Edited December 3, 2016 by Don Mega

[bamukloy]

I think the whole thing is a lot of malarky.

for 1: no body even ask why he is deported?? What!!

he making this fantasy up as he goes for sure.

 

if he got deported it is because he did some dodgy dealings or hasnt satisfied visa requirements.

he probably ignored previous warnings for whatever he did and finally the hammer fall on him.

 

about the courtcase i say BS also

 

unless it is him that is being sued which would sound more understandable.

 

sheisha bar owner? Recent crackdown?

[performance]

Somethings off here. Not sure what. No comment but despicable act none the less. Happiness to Thai family that you supported is gone. The good old regime lol.

[bamukloy]

10 minutes ago, Deepinthailand said:

5555. if that is what op belives I would suggest he goes to police or rings the anti coruption line. I seriously doubt the immigration officer alone would have the balls to do that as he clearly says he was kept there till the end and made to book a flight ect which would implicate the whole office.!

 

Probably more believable that his passport had a red flag and it took them some time to get to the whole story.

 

Things usually are a lot different from the negative the farangs assume from start.

 

They usually gives you a few choices with  things like this If you did something unlawful :

 

1. Get the hell out of dodge..NOW..this they like as it also saves the officers at that place having to deal with it then and there.

2. Immigration centre detention directly.

 

I imagine the GF knows his business and probably admit to the officers.

They offered him a easy way out but now he turn up again like a bad smell.

 

For sure next time we read he is probably staying bangkok hilton.

555

[autoc]

5 hours ago, Don Mega said:

I have renewed my extension every 2 years for the past 12 years, never had an issue with renewal or Immigration knocking on my door.

 

Do every correctly and legally and there will be no issues but you enjoy wearing that tin foil hat !!

 

BTW I recon the OP is a wind up and will continue to think that unless more inf is forthcoming, Was obviously  expecting an issue hence taking the lawyer to do the extension.

 

 

Yes nobody has problems until it happens... Some people also win the lottery....

It's si clear that people dealing with immigration expose themselves to problems sooner or later. Remember that immigration can only visit or trouble people who give their address...

 

Whatever anybody will tell, it is safer to cross a border every 3 months, whatever is your choice, it's a fact.

 

 

 

 

 

[Evilbaz]

23 minutes ago, autoc said:

 

 

Yes nobody has problems until it happens... Some people also win the lottery....

It's si clear that people dealing with immigration expose themselves to problems sooner or later. Remember that immigration can only visit or trouble people who give their address...

 

Whatever anybody will tell, it is safer to cross a border every 3 months, whatever is your choice, it's a fact.

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you've got something to hide ...

[autoc]

1 hour ago, Evilbaz said:

 

If you've got something to hide ...

 

 

Nothing to hide but I also do not pay anything with credit card. Some people like to have their asx sniffed, but not me.

 

And if you think that you have nothing to hide, don't worry that they will be better than you to find what you should have hidden.

 

Just register everywhere you go and stay to expose you to problems if you like it <3

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 3, 2016 by autoc

[jerojero]

Immediate deportation is maximum penalty, next to jail time. Something's amiss with this story. More to it.

[overherebc]

39 minutes ago, jerojero said:

Immediate deportation is maximum penalty, next to jail time. Something's amiss with this story. More to it.

 

Deportation is decided by the courts. I don't think that Imm' office can do it on the spot. 

In the OP's case I think there has been a massive communication problem with ref to the 'case'/'lawsuit' as mentioned before.

It might even be the case that Imm' were trying to do him a favour but things got screwed up due to the comms' problem.

Anyway he seems to be back here now so hope all goes well for him in January.

[Moonmoon]

Unless OP comes clean in full details of whats really going on, then this thread is just pointless.

[dazk]

On 12/2/2016 at 4:10 PM, sirmud63 said:

nope . you dont need a non b to own a business here , its only for a work permit . 

and you dont need a non b for a work permit, work permit can be had with a married visa

 

[MyFriend You]

On 12/2/2016 at 8:10 AM, Jingthing said:

That's a scary story. Wow in a bad way.

I have a question though.

If you go in for an extension application, for example 30 days early, and it is rejected, do you still have the 30 days to leave from your current permission to stay?

Like Ubon Joe says  -  "There's more to this story than a refusal of an extension"

[FredNL]

4 hours ago, overherebc said:

 

Deportation is decided by the courts. I don't think that Imm' office can do it on the spot. 

In the OP's case I think there has been a massive communication problem with ref to the 'case'/'lawsuit' as mentioned before.

It might even be the case that Imm' were trying to do him a favour but things got screwed up due to the comms' problem.

Anyway he seems to be back here now so hope all goes well for him in January.

 

Already for 2 years this court case gets postponed and postponed, delayed, postponed and postponed, then justice department doesn't show up, or the files aren't there, or the suspects, etc. etc.... Talking big money here!

And for all those others. I don't have a criminal record !
What I do have is a Thai wife (with a Dr. degree and so do I)

Edited December 3, 2016 by FredNL

[geriatrickid]

On 12/2/2016 at 4:03 AM, chiang mai said:

It sounds as though the OP was running several businesses in Thailand without having a business visa!

 

Bingo. 

How many warnings were given? Were tax filings made? Were the businesses operating in compliance with the local regulations?

Oh yes, indeed there is more to this than just a  removal. The Thai response is no different than what one would  experience in Australia, Canada, USA etc. Non compliant business activity  results in an immediate removal order. There is a takeaway message for the IT contractors who read the forum.

[geriatrickid]

6 hours ago, overherebc said:

 

Deportation is decided by the courts. I don't think that Imm' office can do it on the spot. 

In the OP's case I think there has been a massive communication problem with ref to the 'case'/'lawsuit' as mentioned before.

It might even be the case that Imm' were trying to do him a favour but things got screwed up due to the comms' problem.

Anyway he seems to be back here now so hope all goes well for him in January.

 

it is nott a deportation. This was a non granting of a permission to stay visa. The failure to obtain the visa results in a removal order or a denial of stay action. Big difference. Deportation occurs when  someone already has the permission to stay. The deportation revokes that permission and requires the  judicial process and court order. A removal order does not require the same process. Either youa re granted a visa or you are not. If a visitor shows up in Thailand and is denied a tourist visa on arrival, it results in a removal action. The OP was seeking a visa. it was denied. No visa means one has to leave. Immigration can grant a compassionate extension to allow one to gather ones belongings  to leave. This is based upon the  person's likelihood of compliance. If the subject is a longtime resident with a history of non compliance it is game over with  immediate renoval.

[balo]

If I remember correctly OP has been running some sort of property business.  You probably been involved in some businesses that pissed off some important people. 

 

[FredNL]

8 hours ago, balo said:

If I remember correctly OP has been running some sort of property business.  You probably been involved in some businesses that pissed off some important people. 

 

Completely wrong, never been involved in any soap bubble / property.

 

[Deepinthailand]

11 hours ago, FredNL said:

 

Already for 2 years this court case gets postponed and postponed, delayed, postponed and postponed, then justice department doesn't show up, or the files aren't there, or the suspects, etc. etc.... Talking big money here!

And for all those others. I don't have a criminal record !
What I do have is a Thai wife (with a Dr. degree and so do I)

Why throw in the bit about degree's?. We know you have a Thai wife, What we don't know I'd what your agenda is here? You know the truth but you are unwillingness to share it leads me to belive the story you spin is nothing more than an attempt to make people jump an board and bash Immigration. You will no doubt Inform us all in due course that abc is now Def  or xyz. Just tell us the truth enough smoke and dagger shit be a man.

Edited December 4, 2016 by Deepinthailand

[overherebc]

12 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

 

it is nott a deportation. This was a non granting of a permission to stay visa. The failure to obtain the visa results in a removal order or a denial of stay action. Big difference. Deportation occurs when  someone already has the permission to stay. The deportation revokes that permission and requires the  judicial process and court order. A removal order does not require the same process. Either youa re granted a visa or you are not. If a visitor shows up in Thailand and is denied a tourist visa on arrival, it results in a removal action. The OP was seeking a visa. it was denied. No visa means one has to leave. Immigration can grant a compassionate extension to allow one to gather ones belongings  to leave. This is based upon the  person's likelihood of compliance. If the subject is a longtime resident with a history of non compliance it is game over with  immediate renoval.

 

I only said that deportation is decided by the courts.

Not being a lawyer and not being a user of 'lawyer speak' what expression would be correct. 

Asked to go home and get a new visa?

Refused permission to remain in Thailand? ( He wasn't refused entry at a border or airport)

??

[FredNL]

10 hours ago, Deepinthailand said:

Why throw in the bit about degree's?. We know you have a Thai wife, What we don't know I'd what your agenda is here? You know the truth but you are unwillingness to share it leads me to belive the story you spin is nothing more than an attempt to make people jump an board and bash Immigration. You will no doubt Inform us all in due course that abc is now Def  or xyz. Just tell us the truth enough smoke and dagger shit be a man.

 

I'm not married as most of the TV members with a bar girl from Isan !!!

Having a long term relationship with another well educated. I am not giving more info about my personal life than needed, on this forum (loaded with real time criminals and other &lt;deleted&gt;) 

Edited December 4, 2016 by FredNL

[Maestro]

On 02/12/2016 at 9:43 AM, FredNL said:

 

I know that there must be a reason. 

It was NOT mentioned to me nor my wife nor our lawyer.

She had  a conversation with our lawyer with one of the highest ranking officers at Immigration at Chaeng Wattana (Government complex) today.

 

What might have been the reason is that they didn't like the passport picture added to the application. 

I never had a problem, I always let my wife do the talking. I only sit and smile...

 

What information did the high-ranking immigration officer give to your lawyer regarding the denial of your application of extension to stay?

 

Did your lawyer draw the officer's attention to paragraph 4 of the Police Order regarding the extension rules?

[bamukloy]

I cannot believe this idea that Imms would escort you out on the same day.

Sounds like a big troll windup.

 

But Anyway, IF any of this is true, why didnt the guy just get a flight to Vietnam or whatever close  location and just get a tourist visa from there and re-enter ?

 

I dont dispute that Imms will escort you out, but as far as i knew they only have to escort you onto any international flight.

Surely you give them some excuse or say you wanna travel around Asia? .

Why would they insist he fly home to Amsterdam?

[thetruth revealer]

On 2.12.2016 at 9:40 PM, John DDD said:

... On the picture of his passport, on the left of the last " signed ", a stamp in Thai language : " คดีความ "  Which means " lawsuit " in English...

...This may explain That...

In that case he could apply for a Visa based on the lawsuit isnt it.

[sanemax]

5 hours ago, FredNL said:

 

 

Having a long term relationship with another well educated. I am not giving more info about my personal life than needed, on this forum (loaded with real time criminals and other &lt;deleted&gt;) 

 

 

  If that is your persona , no wonder Thailand wanted you out the Country . 

If you acted in a way that you post, I can understand why IO got upset and sent you packing 

[Jblood]

It's probably not my business but. Maybe it's got something to do with your wife - she did the talking and you weren't there. The reason she gave - orange t-shirt sounds ridiculous, perhaps she's trying to hide something. Maybe she revealed some info about you that you wouldn't have done yourself, perhaps by mistake. She as a Thai wouldn't have a clue as to the Visa requirements for a Farang or the restrictions, or the fact that they got a lot stricter recently.