16 hours ago, optad said:

Don't courts decide what happened and the police collect data and investigate accusations?

 

Meh ~ Care factor / TV  forum decides anyhow .

 

More importantly, if the police believe the crime took place, and that they have identified a suspect, they have a duty to refer the case to a prosecutor, who decides if there is sufficient evidence to take the case to court.  In Thailand, if the police don't refer the case for prosecution, the alleged victim can bring the case as a private prosecution.

18 hours ago, ukrules said:

Does it really matter what vehicle he was driving before he raped her ?

It does if they are going to make sure that they are going after the correct suspect

18 hours ago, ukrules said:

Does it really matter what vehicle he was driving before he raped her ?

 

Yes of course it matters as the wrong person could be charged. ?

3 hours ago, impulse said:

 

We had a recent thread where guys who have been here for 10 years couldn't agree on what's a tuk-tuk, what's a baht bus and what's a songteaw (sp?).

 

I can understand why a tourist would confuse what's a motosai and what's a tuk-tuk.  

 

Besides, of all the things she's recalling about that night, the number of wheels on the scooter probably isn't pushing to the very top.

 

On the TVF conspiracy side, the initial story says it was a tuk-tuk driver joined by some of his friends.  Perhaps his friends drove scooters?  Or maybe it's just incomplete reporting?

 

That's right, maybe the tuk tuk driver friend met him there on the motorbike. 

 

2 hours ago, smedly said:

one of the problems I see here is a general failure of a lot of people on this forum to understand exactly what defines a rape, and yes I am mindful of the fact that this is Thailand and their understanding of what defines a rape is likely incorrect also.

 

Many here are claiming this girl was irresponsible - to an extent that could be true, but if she was in such a state were she didn't know what she was doing and two men took advantage of that fact and decided to take her to an isolated location and  basically force themselves upon her - then that is rape, nobody here knows exactly how aware or not she was of what was happening - either way it doesn't matter,   it is especially vile when those that supposedly took advantage of this poor girl were in fact taxi drivers of one sort or another who are duty bound and responsible to ensure she gets to her residence in safely.

That's right. There are hundreds of drivers that take home drunk male and female holiday makers. They go out of their way to help the person. Some of them do not even get paid the fare. They don't stop at some deserted area and commit highly illegal acts. Drunk people are temporarily mentally unfit. Public transporters have a duty to care for them the same as a mentally ill person. It's their Duty and goes with the job. 

Why do the police not take one step at a time.  First get the hospital report to establish if she was possibly raped or not.  It is due today!

Blame the tuk tuk for not having a steering wheel. Move it to an inactive post.

On 12/12/2016 at 7:25 PM, fruitman said:

 

Yup and this is far from kao sarn road, i wonder why she went there in her state. There are no hotels there, it's at the other side of the river to the kao sarn road area. 

 

Was she alone in BKK on a holiday and drinking so much? It's a strange story.

Yeah and if next time that you are drunk on holiday and maybe drugged something in ur beer and then u get raped by 3 persons then its your own fault as well.???

Just now, Destiny1990 said:

Yeah and if next time that you are drunk on holiday and maybe drugged something in ur beer and then u get raped by 3 persons then its your own fault as well.???

 

Well that guy on the video didn't rape her i guess, she kissed him on camera. She even warmed her bum on that big wok.

 

 

16 hours ago, Retiredandhappyhere said:

The Nation's headline is misleading as it suggests that the lady was not raped, whereas the article indicates that she was probably not raped by tuk tuk drivers.  Two different interpretations entirely and very upsetting for the lady if her story turns out to be true, irrespective of whether a tuk tuk or a motor cycle was involved. Naturally there are many who would prefer a result which does not cast yet another shadow on tourism, with the lady's feelings coming very much a second best in the order of things.

Good point, but headline writers are to blame at The Nation for making the story look like something it wasn't.

13 hours ago, Sooo Upto Me said:

 

Yes of course it matters as the wrong person could be charged. ?

DNA should sort that out, if there is any.

15 hours ago, smedly said:

one of the problems I see here is a general failure of a lot of people on this forum to understand exactly what defines a rape, and yes I am mindful of the fact that this is Thailand and their understanding of what defines a rape is likely incorrect also.

 

Many here are claiming this girl was irresponsible - to an extent that could be true, but if she was in such a state were she didn't know what she was doing and two men took advantage of that fact and decided to take her to an isolated location and  basically force themselves upon her - then that is rape, nobody here knows exactly how aware or not she was of what was happening - either way it doesn't matter,   it is especially vile when those that supposedly took advantage of this poor girl were in fact taxi drivers of one sort or another who are duty bound and responsible to ensure she gets to her residence in safely.

Sorry, but "crying rape" can be an excuse for being totally incapable.

Yes, or no if you don't understand the question and the language?

Mai Chai or Chai Mai...

That doesn't excuse the man/men involved if she was raped.

If she truly was raped then I have total sympathy for her, trouble is she seems to remember very little. Unless she was given the "date rape drug" which will show up in the hospital tests then I would think this will be difficult to prove even with DNA results.

It seems so far: she was reluctant to report what happened, and has no physical marks that suggest any force was applied, and she admits to being drunk to the point of unconsciousness.

Ultimately she was STUPID, and should never have got into the situation, whatever she was wearing.

I look forward to the trial....

 

 

 

On 12/12/2016 at 6:17 AM, ratcatcher said:

Why would she say a tuk tuk as opposed to a motorcycle?

Wasted days, wasted nights? ?

4 hours ago, George FmplesdaCosteedback said:

DNA should sort that out, if there is any.

100% match!!! (Pre-test results)

As it turns out, there is now an arrest warrant out for a man. This man was recently released from prison for rape charges. 

Thank goodness this brave young 21 year old came forward quite possibly saving someone's future life. most certainly saving probably many from future rapes. 

People on here blaming this girl should hang their heads in shame right about now. 

On 12/12/2016 at 6:17 PM, ratcatcher said:

Why would she say a tuk tuk as opposed to a motorcycle?

How tourist should know what is a tuk tuk......

3 hours ago, Borzandy said:

How tourist should know what is a tuk tuk......

Because she's probably read Lonely Planet Thailand and done some research on her holiday destination.