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Palestinian president: peace talks will resume if construction of settlements is halted

 

 

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has said that Israel must halt the construction of settlements in the West Bank before peace talks can begin.

 

Responding to US secretary of state John Kerry’s speech on Wednesday, Abbas said in a statement read out by senior Palestinian official Saeb Erekat that he is convinced, however, that peace is achievable.

 

“The minute the Israeli government agrees to cease all settlement activities… the Palestinian leadership stands ready to resume permanent status negotiations,” he said.

 

Peace negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians broke down in 2014 without resolution.

 

Palestinians object to calls to recognise Israel as the homeland of the Jews, saying it undermines the rights of Israel’s Arab minority and the claims of Palestinian refugees whose families lost properties after the country was founded.

 

-- © Copyright Euronews 2016-12-29

[johna]

Israel will never stop building illegal settlements, the annexation of Palestinian land and expulsion of all Palestinians is written in stone. Netanyahu has said there will never be a Palestinian state as long as he is PM.

[Goingmad]

1 hour ago, johna said:

Israel will never stop building illegal settlements, the annexation of Palestinian land and expulsion of all Palestinians is written in stone. Netanyahu has said there will never be a Palestinian state as long as he is PM.

If you build on land that you know is your country. It is not illegal.

[CharlieK]

the land is disputed property, it was Jordanian before the 1967 war. Yes they relinquished control of the land for a palestinian state, but that doesn't mean the palestinians have automatic rights to the land. Not until any peace treaty is made.

 

These so called palestinians are really Jordanian. Abbas has a Jordanian passport.

 

 

 

 

[DeaconJohn]

57 minutes ago, CharlieK said:

the land is disputed property, it was Jordanian before the 1967 war. Yes they relinquished control of the land for a palestinian state, but that doesn't mean the palestinians have automatic rights to the land. Not until any peace treaty is made.

 

These so called palestinians are really Jordanian. Abbas has a Jordanian passport.

 

 

 

 

...and Ariel Sharon was born in Palestine according to his birth certificate.

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

[CharlieK]

17 minutes ago, DeaconJohn said:

...and Ariel Sharon was born in Palestine according to his birth certificate.

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

 

that was the name the UK gave the area when they kicked out the Turks. That still doesn't validate palestinian claims to the land. They refused to accept the partition, so one could argue they gave up any claim to the land.   

 

[DeaconJohn]

2 hours ago, CharlieK said:

 

that was the name the UK gave the area when they kicked out the Turks. That still doesn't validate palestinian claims to the land. They refused to accept the partition, so one could argue they gave up any claim to the land.   

 

The name Palestine  and the Palestinian people predated the British and the Ottoman Empire by a long time.

[Morch]

10 hours ago, johna said:

Israel will never stop building illegal settlements, the annexation of Palestinian land and expulsion of all Palestinians is written in stone. Netanyahu has said there will never be a Palestinian state as long as he is PM.

 

At the same time, many say (and in my opinion, correctly) that Netanyahu is unreliable and that his word cannot be trusted. Israel already relinquished land and settlements in the past, albeit not involving as many settlers nor areas approaching the same importance in terms of heritage. Neither annexation nor expulsion of all Palestinians is written in stone.

 

 

Edited December 29, 2016 by Morch

[Morch]

Abbas basically says, if Israel stops building we'll resume talks. Sounds reasonable.

 

But what is really on offer? Not, as far as I know, bilateral negotiations, Palestinians being more into international forums. Nor are there any specific Palestinian actions suggested in return, other than resuming talks.

 

Abbas's ability to deliver is by now much dilapidated - Palestinian public support isn't high, would be successors are busier promoting themselves and putting down rivals, influence on Hamas is minimal, and Hamas popularity (even in the West Bank) still an issue.
 

[AGLV0121]

Uh?  firstly there is no Palestinian president. Abbas is chaiman as was Arafat.

 

Then you posted a pic of Erakat, not Abbas!

 

[Jingthing]

14 hours ago, DeaconJohn said:

The name Palestine  and the Palestinian people predated the British and the Ottoman Empire by a long time.

Indeed, for centuries in Europe the Palestinian people were JEWS and referred to as Palestinians, in other times (and sometimes now) Israelites. Same same. You conveniently failed to mention that. Always the Israel demonization agenda bends over backwards to deny the reality -- the Jewish people are INDIGENOUS to the land of Israel. That reality destroys the narrative that Jews are "white colonialists" out to exploit a foreign land that they have no connection to. Not to mention that the majority of Israeli Jews have much more recent connections to the Middle East (recalling mass expulsions of Jews from many Middle Eastern nations, the Jewish Nakba).

 

The notion of a Palestinian ARAB identity is a very modern concept, artificially created historically recently in the last century for political purposes.  It's creation is linked to the "Nazi" Grand Mufta of Jerusalem. 

 

That said, by all means Israel should at the very least back off from west bank settlement expansion.

Edited December 30, 2016 by Jingthing

[Morch]

2 hours ago, AGLV0121 said:

Uh?  firstly there is no Palestinian president. Abbas is chaiman as was Arafat.

 

Then you posted a pic of Erakat, not Abbas!

 

 

From the OP:

 

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Abbas said in a statement read out by senior Palestinian official Saeb Erekat

 

[dexterm]

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Indeed, for centuries in Europe the Palestinian people were JEWS and referred to as Palestinians, in other times (and sometimes now) Israelites. Same same. You conveniently failed to mention that. Always the Israel demonization agenda bends over backwards to deny the reality -- the Jewish people are INDIGENOUS to the land of Israel. That reality destroys the narrative that Jews are "white colonialists" out to exploit a foreign land that they have no connection to. Not to mention that the majority of Israeli Jews have much more recent connections to the Middle East (recalling mass expulsions of Jews from many Middle Eastern nations, the Jewish Nakba).

 

The notion of a Palestinian ARAB identity is a very modern concept, artificially created historically recently in the last century for political purposes.  It's creation is linked to the "Nazi" Grand Mufta of Jerusalem. 

 

That said, by all means Israel should at the very least back off from west bank settlement expansion.

This indigenuity argument has got to be one of the silliest in the Zionist apologists' collection of pretexts for land theft and ethnic cleansing.

 

Of course people who believed in Judaism lived in Palestine several millenia ago. So have many other different peoples and religions before and after Judaism. No single one of the them has a right to rule over another simply because of their religion or race. I am a firm believer that religion, race and state should be separate.

 

Notwithstanding all that, how does your point about indigenousness give say a New York Jew who has never even set eyes on the place before somehow the right to live there today? Please explain the rationale/the common sense in this argument.. that someone who has a tenuous link to a religion 2,000 years ago somehow has the right to dispossess others who were born there today....especially when you consider the fact that the New York Jew may not even be remotely genetically related to Jews of 1,000s of years ago, need not even be a believer in Judaism, and ,to boot, after centuries of intermarriage and conversions. I cant see the logic. 

 

Is Ivanka Trump indigenous to Palestine? If not, how come she, now that she is a converted Jew,  has the right to instant Israeli citizenship, and subsidized housing (not that she would need it) in one of the expanded settlements that Abbas wants frozen? Whereas the Palestinians who own the land on which the settlement is built do not even have the right to set foot in the exclusively Jewish gated compound?

[CharlieK]

18 hours ago, DeaconJohn said:

The name Palestine  and the Palestinian people predated the British and the Ottoman Empire by a long time.

 

Hadrian's selection of Palestine was purposeful, not accidental. He took the name of the ancient enemies of Israel, the Philistines, Latinized it to Palestine, and applied it to the Land of Israel. He hoped to erase the name Israel from all memory. 

 

Judea and Samaria was the original name for the west bank. the Palestinians are a none people, a group of arabs who call themselves palestinian in order to lay claim to an area that they never lived in.

[CharlieK]

1 hour ago, dexterm said:

This indigenuity argument has got to be one of the silliest in the Zionist apologists' collection of pretexts for land theft and ethnic cleansing.

 

Of course people who believed in Judaism lived in Palestine several millenia ago. So have many other different peoples and religions before and after Judaism. No single one of the them has a right to rule over another simply because of their religion or race. I am a firm believer that religion, race and state should be separate.

 

Notwithstanding all that, how does your point about indigenousness give say a New York Jew who has never even set eyes on the place before somehow the right to live there today? Please explain the rationale/the common sense in this argument.. that someone who has a tenuous link to a religion 2,000 years ago somehow has the right to dispossess others who were born there today....especially when you consider the fact that the New York Jew may not even be remotely genetically related to Jews of 1,000s of years ago, need not even be a believer in Judaism, and ,to boot, after centuries of intermarriage and conversions. I cant see the logic. 

 

Is Ivanka Trump indigenous to Palestine? If not, how come she, now that she is a converted Jew,  has the right to instant Israeli citizenship, and subsidized housing (not that she would need it) in one of the expanded settlements that Abbas wants frozen? Whereas the Palestinians who own the land on which the settlement is built do not even have the right to set foot in the exclusively Jewish gated compound?

 

 

palestinian arabs were not indigenous to the area. you argument is silly arab wishful thinking. 

[7by7]

2 hours ago, CharlieK said:

 

 

palestinian arabs were not indigenous to the area. you argument is silly arab wishful thinking. 

 

From the Cambridge dictionary

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indigenous

naturally existing in a place or country rather than arriving from another place:

 

As the human race evolved in East Africa and then migrated outwards, no people are indigenous to the area!

 

From The Jewish Virtual Library

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The term “Palestine” is believed to be derived from the Philistines, an Aegean people who, in the 12th Century B.C.E.., settled along the Mediterranean coastal plain of what are now Israel and the Gaza Strip.........

 

The Hebrews entered the Land of Israel about 1300 B.C.E., living under a tribal confederation until being united under the first monarch, Saul.........

 

So who was living there before the Philistines and the Hebrews arrived? What was their religion? What happened to them?

 

 

[Morch]

Oh, the nonsense merchants are back, goody. Been a while since we had one of these variations of denial and rejection. Could any of "scholarly" commentators bless us with his informed views on the OP rather than the inane arguments on offer?

 

Israelis and Palestinians exist, irrespective of view denying the legitimacy or "right"of either side. That's a fact. It does not even require anyone to fully adopt the other side's narrative. Either side can claim this or that heritage, religious or historic "right". The bottom line is not going to change, even if absolute "proof" of one side's absolute righteousness could be presented.

[dexterm]

6 hours ago, Morch said:

Oh, the nonsense merchants are back, goody. Been a while since we had one of these variations of denial and rejection. Could any of "scholarly" commentators bless us with his informed views on the OP rather than the inane arguments on offer?

 

Israelis and Palestinians exist, irrespective of view denying the legitimacy or "right"of either side. That's a fact. It does not even require anyone to fully adopt the other side's narrative. Either side can claim this or that heritage, religious or historic "right". The bottom line is not going to change, even if absolute "proof" of one side's absolute righteousness could be presented.

>>Israelis and Palestinians exist, irrespective of view denying the legitimacy or "right"of either side. That's a fact. It does not even require anyone to fully adopt the other side's narrative.

..yes, well said. And both peoples are here to stay as geographic neighbors for eternity , so let's focus on ways for them to get along and live together or side by side in peace.

 

Now here's a rarity: UG and I both liking the same post...must be the season of good will.

 

I agree with you re. nonsense deflections. Let's look at the present and to the future.

 

You will also notice that it is one side of this debate that always is the first to introduce this particular "There are no such people as the Palestinians/no such country as Palestine." schtick in almost every topic related to Israel. One gets tired of it occasionally when it remains undeleted as off topic, so responses become inevitable. Posters get emotive which leads to suspensions. Maybe that's the deflector's aim.

[daveAustin]

Abbas is right. Israel knows what it needs to do if it doesn't want them lobbing rockets over to further their ott aggression in-kind... STOP BUILDING!

[Morch]

On 12/31/2016 at 6:01 AM, dexterm said:

>>Israelis and Palestinians exist, irrespective of view denying the legitimacy or "right"of either side. That's a fact. It does not even require anyone to fully adopt the other side's narrative.

..yes, well said. And both peoples are here to stay as geographic neighbors for eternity , so let's focus on ways for them to get along and live together or side by side in peace.

 

Now here's a rarity: UG and I both liking the same post...must be the season of good will.

 

I agree with you re. nonsense deflections. Let's look at the present and to the future.

 

You will also notice that it is one side of this debate that always is the first to introduce this particular "There are no such people as the Palestinians/no such country as Palestine." schtick in almost every topic related to Israel. One gets tired of it occasionally when it remains undeleted as off topic, so responses become inevitable. Posters get emotive which leads to suspensions. Maybe that's the deflector's aim.

 

So it's not only the Palestinians unaccountable for anything, so are you - it's always someone else's fault. I've read enough of your posts and comments so, the nonsense about you not initiating these arguments is nothing but a straight faced lie. Using different opening lines notwithstanding. De-legitimizing Israel and anything to do with it - past, present and future - is pretty much the crux of your posting on this forum.

 

What I note is, that you still  haven't got anything meaningful to contribute, on topic.

 

[Jingthing]

On 12/31/2016 at 7:32 AM, daveAustin said:

Abbas is right. Israel knows what it needs to do if it doesn't want them lobbing rockets over to further their ott aggression in-kind... STOP BUILDING!

You're confusing West Bank with Gaza.

 

Typical ... 

[Morch]

On 12/31/2016 at 7:32 AM, daveAustin said:

Abbas is right. Israel knows what it needs to do if it doesn't want them lobbing rockets over to further their ott aggression in-kind... STOP BUILDING!

 

Let me clue you in - Abbas got zero control over rockets launched at Israel. Organizations engaged in such are based in the Gaza Strip and Lebanon, and do not answer to him. Abbas, as a matter of fact, said nothing of the sort - all he said was that negotiations will resume. My original comment still stands - he doesn't actually have much to offer.

[Scott]

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