thedemon Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 All the opinions here about whether this is right or wrong or in the spirit of the law are meaningless. Either there is a law prohibiting it or there isn't. The absence of a law does not preclude an immigration officer from denying an extension but that doesn't make it illegal. So, is there a law prohibiting this or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpinx Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 The agents pay their colleagues at the immigration desk, so there is zero incentive to stop the practice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 13 minutes ago, thedemon said: So, is there a law prohibiting this or not? There are laws against fraud. The rules require the money to be yours to cover your expenses so making an application for the extension would be fraud. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpinx Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 1 minute ago, ubonjoe said: There are laws against fraud. The rules require the money to be yours to cover your expensive so making an application for the extension would be fraud. No law against fraud? How does that work with all the crackdowns on graft that are going on? What are the badboys charged with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry1987 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 45 minutes ago, darrendsd said: Yes they are, Immigration requirements state that the money must have been in the bank for either 2 or 3 months before application, with these "services" it is in less than a day You are therefore making a false statement in order to obtain your visa "Of course with an income letter using the combo method, the money seasoning requirement goes away for the bank account portion." taken from a 2012 post..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lite Beer Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 1 minute ago, larry1987 said: "Of course with an income letter using the combo method, the money seasoning requirement goes away for the bank account portion." taken from a 2012 post..... No it does not. Most Immigration offices require that to be seasoned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul18620 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 58 minutes ago, darrendsd said: Yes they are, Immigration requirements state that the money must have been in the bank for either 2 or 3 months before application, with these "services" it is in less than a day You are therefore making a false statement in order to obtain your visa and I suppose you have never lied to gain something in your life which makes your life stress free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry1987 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 7 minutes ago, Lite Beer said: No it does not. Most Immigration offices require that to be seasoned. When you say 'Most', does this mean that it is not an actual requirement or that not everyone is following the law? anyway I read all this on an earlier thread---> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenKong Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 I see nothing in any regulations that requires that the money in your bank account should actually be yours. If it is in your account it is assumed to be yours, but that's just an assumption. In the same way that money in a joint account is assumed to only be half yours, and so only half is counted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterw42 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 OP, I have a couple of friends used that visa agency and no problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintLouisBlues Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 12 minutes ago, KittenKong said: I see nothing in any regulations that requires that the money in your bank account should actually be yours. If it is in your account it is assumed to be yours, but that's just an assumption. In the same way that money in a joint account is assumed to only be half yours, and so only half is counted. Exactly. None of the money in my account (on fixed deposit) is mine, as I've explained before. It's part of a secured back-to-back loan the other "leg" of which is in my home country. I suspect it's "black" money but I've no interest in asking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterw42 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 I know 3 guys on retirement extensions that share the same 800k, it sits in each of their accounts for 4 months. Technically not illegal. Many of the agencies have similar "creative solutions". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thai3 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 2 hours ago, darrendsd said: Agreed and people discussing it on a open forum is downright idiotic and the reason why these "services" will soon stop or the requirements to prove where the money has come from will be made harder Do people really believe that the Government do not read this forum? If it's legal whats the problem discussing it?, if not they should be closed down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrendsd Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 55 minutes ago, paul18620 said: and I suppose you have never lied to gain something in your life which makes your life stress free Of course I have, I am no saint, the OP is asking about the legality of the services provided and this is what is being discussed, not my private life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thai3 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 39 minutes ago, Peterw42 said: I know 3 guys on retirement extensions that share the same 800k, it sits in each of their accounts for 4 months. Technically not illegal. Many of the agencies have similar "creative solutions". Fine until one either runs off with the lot or has a heart attack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrendsd Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 (edited) ss Edited January 20, 2017 by darrendsd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintLouisBlues Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 12 minutes ago, thai3 said: If it's legal whats the problem discussing it?, if not they should be closed down You do realize you're in Thailand don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry1987 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 (edited) deleted Edited January 20, 2017 by larry1987 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notamember Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 two weeks ago, on the topic on which i asked my original visa related question, this was said by admin of thaivisa Scott Star Member Admin 10,074 36,748 posts Location:Bangkok ID: 17 Posted January 3 · Report post One post has been removed. Discussing illegal activity is not permitted. Using a visa service is not illegal, per se, although many are involved in illegal activity. Please post with care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notamember Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Lite Beer said: No it does not. Most Immigration offices require that to be seasoned. i have just finally got through to bangkok immigration who said that if its money and letter? the money does not need to be in the bank for anytime. Can be in same day as apply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry1987 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, notamember said: i have just finally got through to bangkok immigration who said that if its money and letter? the money does not need to be in the bank for anytime. Can be in same day as apply Good to know, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munotlaw Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Never heard anything negative about speedy-visa.com. I know some of there customers and they are all very happy. Good personal connection to the Pattaya immigration. Since years people speak from a crackdown, never happened. Munotlaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notamember Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 google 'thai retirement visa' many of the search results offer ''financial support'', including many lawyers firms as its advertised so openly by so many, you are left to think its an acceptable legal practice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notamember Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, Munotlaw said: Never heard anything negative about speedy-visa.com. I know some of there customers and they are all very happy. Good personal connection to the Pattaya immigration. Since years people speak from a crackdown, never happened. Munotlaw i just googled them after you said that, i could not find anything bad either, i see they been asked about before on this website with no bad reports surfacing and even saw a good report from someone on tripadvisor website in the search results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lite Beer Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 i have just finally got through to bangkok immigration who said that if its money and letter? the money does not need to be in the bank for anytime. Can be in same day as applyThat all depends on where you apply.Other offices say different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notamember Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Lite Beer said: That all depends on where you apply. Other offices say different. so those ''other offices'' are not following the rule of law and the advise offered by HQ then? so the offices you are referring to would be wrong then? so where are these offices? seems to me it would be useful to know so thaivisa members could try to avoid them Edited January 20, 2017 by notamember Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lite Beer Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 so those ''other offices'' are not following the rule of law and the advise offered by HQ then? so the offices you are referring to would be wrong then? so where are these offices? seems to me it would be useful to know so thaivisa members could try to avoid themThai Visa members have no choice where they apply.They apply at the office that serves the area they live.Khon Kaen is one office. Do a search and find plenty of others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elviajero Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 59 minutes ago, notamember said: i have just finally got through to bangkok immigration who said that if its money and letter? the money does not need to be in the bank for anytime. Can be in same day as apply I suggest you don't try and apply based on that phone call. CW and all offices are under orders that funds must be in the account for 60 days/3 months when using the combination method. The only time they are likely to waive that is if the amount required in the bank is small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notamember Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, elviajero said: I suggest you don't try and apply based on that phone call. CW and all offices are under orders that funds must be in the account for 60 days/3 months when using the combination method. The only time they are likely to waive that is if the amount required in the bank is small. ok , is that official? do you have a source ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notamember Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 6 minutes ago, Lite Beer said: Thai Visa members have no choice where they apply. They apply at the office that serves the area they live. Khon Kaen is one office. Do a search and find plenty of others. so you make a huge generalization and can only name one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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